Mr. Fox

1 minute ago, Papusan said:

 And gooogle ain't much better....

Google Chrome now checks if your PC can upgrade to Windows 11

Google Chrome is preparing for the end of Windows 10 support.

It is pretty sinister and the control freak way things are being handled now is totally unacceptable. I suspect Chrome will support Windows 10 for as long as Micro$lop provides Windows 10 LTSC support. But, still... it's the nefarious intent and inappropriate collusion going on that is so despicable. I am further preparing myself for a departure from Windoze. I now have Linux as the primary OS on both desktops with Windows for work available in a virtual machine. There are applications I must use daily for work that do not run on Linux. (Yes they are Micro$loft applications, LOL.) I can launch the virtual machine when I need to use them.

55 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Don't even know if it matters much with AMD based on Steam's new survey showing the dominant selling card is easily the 5070 with the 5080 and 5090 far distant but still making the chart and the 9070/xt didn't even make enough of a dent to get its own entry on the chart classified as "other" atm.... /facepalm

 

 

Nvidia  continues to rule the roost top to bottom but they still continue to make a fantastic product so it is hard to get people to jump to AMD. I completely understand.

 

AMD's biggest folly was not making a reference "control" card and not sticking to MSRP pricing. I said this before, but if pricing is close between a 9070xt and a 5070ti, I'm picking the 5070ti as would most unless you're sick of Nvidia and/or already a AMD supporter.

 

But clearly AMD did enough damage to get Nvidia on track faster to release the Super variants so there's that.

6 minutes ago, Meaker said:

It's hard to really lay anything down on a fully sold out market. AMD ran through their stock as did Nvidia.

I got mine at MSRP and have found the drivers much better for my use case.

That survey is only accurate to the extent it counts only those that respond to the survey when installing Steam for the first time and when it randomly appears. It does not reflect an accurate percentage of all Steam users because Steam is respectful and does not harvest that information without user permission. I always decline to participate when I am prompted. In other words, it is an accurate reflection of survey respondents, not all Steam users.

5 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

You have still some headroom🙂 LianLi offer OCP ar 122%. With 1611W and efficiency at 90% the power draw is around 1450W. 1450/1200 = 120% so within the OCP triggering points.

 

The 12V rail’s OCP triggering points are conservatively set, but this is not the case for the minor rails, where the corresponding OCP triggering points are set pretty high. 

 

https://hwbusters.com/psus/lian-li-eg1200g-atx-v3-1-psu-review/8/

In addition to the available PSU headroom, when @tps3443 is finished with the torturing of his GPU for entertainment purposes the normal use scenario will not be anywhere near what Furmark is doing to it.

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

We're still only 6 months in to the 5090 cycle so hopefully some tools and flashing love will make its way to the 5090s including the FE for some XOC love in.

 

I'm not doubting your calculations. It just seems to be a staple item in just about ever OC'ers box of tools for manual/physical readout vs software sensor readings. Another tool in the arsenal and dirt cheap.

Even if the calculations are spot-on based on 2 x GPU driver reported power draw, it is useful to know how much total power your machine is pulling from the wall. It is usually surprising to see how all of the components, including fans, pumps, drives, RGB, etc. pile up into the total system from-grid power utilization. You can also spot (by just looking at the meter) when something is off if your idle and low use power consumption from the wall is suddenly higher than normal, which is helpful. 

38 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

If that’s actually 1400 watts that is terrifying because it means my PSU might just have a very short life. 

It might be terrifying when your wife gets the electric bill if you are doing a lot of that. 

So, I finally got my hands on the latest VMWorkstation and VMTools and now have my Windoze VM set up in Linux.

That last one... "Celestial Spa" is so lifelike that identifying it as AI is difficult. Scary stuff.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

I really hope they stop with this. Greed is common and greed make you do wrong decisions.

 

And there will still be trade between US and China. But China's own population will buy more and more own home made products. 

 

China: Sales of foreign smartphone manufacturers fell by 9.7%.

Bad news for all foreign smartphone manufacturers in China, as they are experiencing a significant drop in sales.

 

Smoke and mirrors. Welcome to The Matrix. The fake news disinformation mills report what Xi Jinping wants the world to believe. They can't eat computer chips and smartphones. The news cartel is very good at putting lipstick on the pig. And, these are just the normies. Ask a Uyghur how things are going.

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

A monor start. But this should have been done on day one when they issued the ban. All too late. 

 

US reportedly plans to curb sales of AI GPUs to Malaysia and Thailand to prevent smuggling to China

 

The sad truth about AMD's latest gen graphics cards... This is just embarrassing. Greed over common sense (Wrongly priced and not offer enough cards). Yep, yet again have F. Azor failed hard as AMD's Chief Director of Gaming Solutions.

RTX 5090 more popular than all RX 9000s on Steam!

Well, we had a brain-dead zombie muppet in the oval office when that toothless ban was issued by a feckless shadow regime of wealth-stealing woke sicko commie traitors. That's why it never happened. Much bigger fish need to be fried with the open border and what-not. More important things need to take priority right now. That day will come soon enough and when it hits it will hit hard. China's destruction will be without mercy and irrecoverable.

Interesting... wonder how many people took Jay's advice? I bet a lot of people did. Misinformation is pretty common. Tom's Hardware published it, too. 

11 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Those that make the Linux distros have a huge opportunity to get bigger userbase.. They need to fix it. This has to be first priority over making more pretty GUI.

 

Windows 11 is becoming synonymous with Copilot+ PCs, while Linux is now a real threat

 

Interestingly, a group called End of 10 has been pushing for users to transition to Linux as Windows 10's end-of-life approaches. Its campaign encourages Windows 10 users to ditch the Windows ecosystem entirely and switch to Linux with their outdated devices. The small group is using a lack of ads and telemetry tracking as the key selling points to get users to make the transition.

I agree with you. Even with the rolling release options there's a lag in support for the newest hardware. Day one hardware and driver support needs to be a top priority. Unfortunately there's going to be some of the sheeple that value form over function. If their OS isn't loaded up with a bunch of disgusting eye candy and other gimmicky crap they won't embrace it. Just like the rainbow puke they adore so much even when the hardware they own is anemic and lackluster. It's ironic that an OS that has been popular among poor people and third-world countries will probably eventually end up being the only acceptable OS for the people that are not Kool-Aid drinking idiots.

3080 Turbo

The biggest problem with Linux is support for the latest hardware. Sometimes it take 6 months to a year for proper support. I think most Linux developers are not early adopters of new tech. And, until some of them buy new hardware get the kernel updated and drivers working using Linux is not an option no matter how much you want it to be.

I have had the most difficult time imaginable installing Linux on the X870E platform. It seems like none of the Linux developers have AMD's most current platform and haven't given it enough effort. When I started web searching I discovered I was not alone. Most distros are broken and installation fails at the point of installing the boatloader. I even removed all other OS drives thinking maybe Micro$lop was interfering by blocking access to the EFI partition, but that was not it. I tried numerous Arch, Ubuntu and Debian derivatives and all ended with the same error.

But, I did not give up and I finally got Zorin installed after 2 days of farting around with more than a dozen failed attempts on both the ASUS and Gigabyte mobos. I tried GRUB, systemd and rEFInd bootloaders on each distro and tried different SSDs. All failed during the installation of the boatloader. Very weird. I guess that is one of the compromises when stuff is free. I'm using a USB ethernet adapter because the onboard NIC and WiFi are not supported. I can't identify why it finally worked and it was not the first try with Zorin. 

Supposedly kernel 6.15 supports the networking, but I tried updating to the latest kernel and it breaks the NVIDIA drivers. It seems there are no NVIDIA compatible headers for 6.15.

So, I have had the most difficult time imaginable installing Linux on the X870E platform. It seems like none of the Linux developers have AMD's most current platform and haven't given it enough effort. Most distros are broken and installation fails at the point of installing the boatloader. I even removed all other OS drives thinking maybe Micro$lop was interfering by blocking access to the EFI partition, but that was not it. I tried numerous Arch, Ubuntu and Debian derivatives and all ended with the same error. I finally got Zorin installed after 2 days of farting around with failures on both the ASUS and Gigabyte mobos. I tried GRUB, systemd and rEFInd bootloaders on each distro and tried different SSDs. All failed during the installing the boatloader. Very weird. I guess that is one of the compromises when stuff is free. I'm using a USB ethernet adapter because the onboard NIC and WiFi are not supported. 

Happy July 4th. Passage of the Big, Beautiful Bill will make this the best one I can remember and definitely reason for celebration of American Independence.

1 hour ago, Meaker said:

Decent cooler/Voltage tweak/fan curve tweak gets them into safe levels. I run a slight undervolt and then a power reduction that keeps me around stock performance levels for a boat load less power which is nice at the moment.

Running with -75mV and default power limits I still see 90+ on temps running benchmarks or playing games. I've stopped using mine until I can buy a waterblock for it. If they are overpriced then I will probably sell it. It blows more hot air than I would like and the temps are much higher than I want them to be.

49 minutes ago, Vasudev said:

Any Zen3+/4/5 mobile users having issues with mixed single core and multicores after June updates on Windows 11? Battery life took a hit. I've been updating my old devices with latest firmwares and drivers. 

Customized Power Profiles aren't saved and gets reverted every reboot on 23H2/24H2 with 8840HS. Everything is updated.

The problem is offline OS servicing which takes almost 2 hrs even though HWINFO/HWMon shows CPU works at max 5.1GHz and all core perf 3.8-4GHz. Generally feels slow because during April/May the same tasks completed within 30 mins with ReFS/NTFS Dev Drive as well with normal NTFS partitions. Currently even with same setup it feels slow. I have tried changing turbo boost mode from aggressive to efficient aggressive on AC and disabled it on battery. Gaming with eGPU now yields good FPS without reaching 96C and maxes out at 86C.

 

I switched to Bazzite NVIDIA GPU ISO and noticed idle and operating temps were under 50C and 75C. I couldn't try my eGPU and battery life was very less 2-2.5hrs. Checked few forums and Framework user forums and people said there's lot of missed firmware updates pending with bleeding edge fedora and can improve 7840U/8840 series with stellar battery life 10-12hrs.

 

I actually added my custom power profile at github https://github.com/vasudev-gm/Ryzen_CustomPowerProfiles

 

Hey bro. Hope all is well. I do not know if anyone in this thread is an AMD-powered laptop user. There might be one.

4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I don’t have one. 

Well that's surprising. Get some. I have 5 of them. Be sure to get one with a backlight that stays turned on all the time. The Kill-A-Watt brand sucks because it has no backlight. There are some with a backlight that only turns on temporarily when you press a button. Those suck for the same reason.

If you want to get really fancy you can program the cost per kW/h to project the cost of operation, but I don't waste my time with nonsense like that.

These are my favorite. Big letters and very clean and legible  from across the room, with a backlight that never turns off. It also has an internal battery and remembers what you set it to. No need to reapply all of your settings any time the power goes out or you move it to a new outlet.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09BQNYMMM?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_1&th=1

5 hours ago, electrosoft said:

New 5090 brand new low price....

 

PNY and Zotac coming back to reality....

 

PNY ARGB which at one point was $3499.99 is now down to $2599.99

PNY  OC Edition which at one point was $3299.99 is now down to $2499.99

 

MSI and Zotac are heading down too....

 

These are NEW and SEALED prices....

 

Prices are a little bit less retarded now. Still unacceptable and hard for me to rationalize a legitmate basis for buying one. If the least expensive models drop below $2000 I may consider buying one. I won't buy a 5090 unless the price is the same or less than what I paid for the Gigabyte 4090 that I sold. Not worth it IMHO. I'm not really benching much anymore and I don't care about having more game FPS than I already have. I find so little free time to devote to gaming that there isn't much incentive to buy one at such over-the-top idiotic prices. Anything less than 5090 that the Green Goblin has to offer is of no interest to me. I might consider the frivolous purchase of a 5080 at 9070 XT pricing. Otherwise, no... the juice isn't worth the squeeze and I'd feel like I was volunteering to get screwed.

3 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

The AMD chip would have to be significantly better than the 275HX to be worth trying to swap to it. I guess it should at least be superior in memory latency.

Memory latency... AMD > Intel... "Oh how the mighty have fallen..." Until Core Ultra screwed everything up AMD was the suckiest at memory latency. Chiplets/tiles/CCDs suck. The fabric needed to cobble the mess together adds a layer of undesirable crappiness. First AMD then Intel. Monkey see, monkey do.

55 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

You still have a 4090 right? 

Yes, it is in my AORUS Master build. It is my best GPU. 4090 Suprim with Core GPU block.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

This is status while Nvidia still struggle fix weird bugs with loads of hotfix drivers patching previous hot fix drivers released a week before for their latest and greatest released a half year ago. On top nvidia haven't much time for previous gen graphics cards as 2000/3000/4000 series due all their problems with latest gen 5000 series cards. Yep, this while AMD now put more resources on improving performance for Radeon cards.

 

 

 

Once Nvidia is out with the Super cards (refresh to make more money) then expect new rounds with WHQL drivers neeeding loads of hotfix drivers making havoc in their whole GPU stack. Often with week between them being released.

AMD’s Latest Drivers Improve Radeon RX 9070 XT’s Performance By Up To 27%; GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Is Now Slower Overall....

 

49 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

This always seems to be the AMD process. The drivers always mature better and they tend to end up with more performance as time goes on......usually.

 

I lost a smidge of performance from 25.4 to 25.5 but got it back with 25.6.1 so it will be nice to see if this improves it even more.

 

I'm very happy with the 9070xt especially in WoW. Something I thought I would NEVER say about AMD lately. Back in the day though the 5700xt was an absolute 2560x1600p banger of a card though. I'm personally glad to see them back to a monolithic design.

 

 

I just watched this video this morning on the same subject. Now they just need to figure out thermals.

26 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Hopefully 1,105 watts GPU power holds up then. 😆

 

 

Do I smell smoke?

13 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

@Mr. Fox block temps look promising for 9070xt!

 

Hotspot and Hynix down to 50c and 60c respectively!

Thanks. That looks very promising. I asked if his was an Alphacool. Would be interesting if Bykski is offering them for a lower price.

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I don’t think it’s that chintzy. Pulling 880+ watts on a single wire it’s good. 🤩 We can’t do that on an 8pin unless we like hard power shutdowns. I do think these cables are sensitive though. 
 

I think the internet has also just made us really paranoid. So it’s something me and others check now 😕. GPU temp check, memory temp check, wire temp check 🥴

I never had any issues at all with power shutdowns or melted GPU connectors using 3x8 or 4x8 pin connectors and I've pulled as much or more power from them than almost anyone running 4090 or 5090 today. One 8-pin certainly would not have worked, but this wasn't a replacement for a single 8-pin connector. Most of the 12VHPWR cables use the same or even a smaller gauge wire and instead of 8 x 3 (24) or 8 x 4 (32) wires you're pushing all the current through 12 smaller wires. So to me that is chintzy. Excessive heat is a self-fulfilling prophecy and we should be surprised at the small miracle that there haven't been more melted connectors than there have been. But, it sure does look cute, with just one dainty little connector. I am still baffled that anyone could think such a connector being used to carry so much current was a bright idea. Downright stupid IMHO. People got their pockets lined off of this scam. I'm sure PSU sales hit new highs. Something new that nobody needed, but they thought they did. Or they were made to believe they did. Newer is always better newer. Sometimes (often) newer is garbage. 12VHPWR connector is garbage.

37 minutes ago, johnksss said:

As long as the connector is below 100C+ you should be fine. I have mine set for 70C(Using Wireview Pro), but it sits in the 30's to 40's range, but as @Papusan has mentioned before... Mine needs a fan pointed at the connector.

We have always been anxious about a CPU or GPU hitting 100°C (boiling point) but now we have to worry about these chintzy half-assed 12VHPWR cables even with the CPU and GPU temps totally under control. Thermal whack-a-mole.

AOC probably won't appreciate her lies getting exposed. I hope she doesn't.