Mr. Fox

Looks nice, Brother @johnksss. What caused you to decide to build that using the Unify-X mobo? Hey guys, check out my first review on ExtremeHW and comment when you have time. I am expecting another one soon, so I will post the link here after I receive the product and complete the review. CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB DDR5-6000 32GB Memory Review | ExtremeHW.net

I think it just lost popularity. I had a couple of cases with side door mounted fans and it had pros and cons. Most of the side panels now are tempered glass and back in the day of the side window-mounted fans the window panels were acrylic or plexiglass. They looked good for a couple of days, or until the first time you cleaned the dust off of them and they were scratched for life. If never mattered how gentle I was, they always ended up scratched and dull. Plexiglass polish sometimes helped, but could also make it clouded or hazy looking.

Looking good, Brother @Papusan. Yes, I remember that Zallman Reserator. I used to really want one. They were always terribly overpriced. May as well go with an aquarium chiller instead and have a lot more flexibility. But, they it was a prety interesting product. On the topic of massive cases, I sure do love how this one looks in addition to its hugeness. Awesome and gorgeous. But, the price is absurd. It is too bad they don't make one similar to the size and layout of my Level 20 XT, but with the aesthetic of the HAF 700 EVO. I still much prefer a horizontal motherboard installation over vertical. It just makes more sense to me, and it's much easier to service.

The temperature inside of the case on my work computer (Banshee) gets considerably warmer. It pulls cooler room air into the front 360 radiator and the 240 radiator in the top exhausts warmed air inside of the case out of the top. To what extent it affects performance I am not certain, but things are kind of cramped with two radiators, two pumps and a reservoir inside of the case. It's not a small case, but it is not as big as I would like it to be.

That is how my benching rig has been set up for several years. I use an external MO-RA 360 radiator. There are no radiators inside of the chassis on that system. The liquid stays cooler that way and I do not have to worry about internal case space restrictions.

No, I did not make it and I don't remember now who the creator is. I have been using it on all of my computers for maybe 10 or 12 years.

I don't like desktop icons being visible. I use a desktop toolbar menu next to the System Tray (right-click, toolbars, check "Desktop") and hide the icons. Unzip the attached file and drop the executable anywhere you like. Put a shortcut on your Taskbar. Instant hide/unhide in one mouse click. HideDesktopIcons.zip On... Off...

@Ishatix you are spot on. Totally agree. Also agree with your footnote on automation. I intentionally design things to be as easy as possible, and strive for single-click functionality. I get a chuckle out of people in my organization whining about change making their job more "difficult" and my response is usually something like, "Oh, you mean that extra mouse click that was introduced as a job performance requirement? Yeah, I know it's a tough job, but someone as smart as you will master than mouse click in no time. But, please let me know if you need any help with your mouse button."

Thank you. Aesthetically, I think KDE Plasma is excellent overall. It has a very polished look and feel to it, but I still find a few things lacking in terms of customization. I still lean slightly towards Cinnamon DE. Probably because I have used it longer and it is more familiar to me. For example, I know how to manually tweak the code to adjust the menu color and transparency to match the panel I use on Cinnamon. It bugs the crap out of me when they do not match. (That irks me to no end in Windows as well. I consider it tacky-looking and half-assed when they do not match.) I had to spend a lot of time searching for the info. I have not done that for Plasma, and may not do so because it is easier to do what I already know how to do with Cinnamon. I like Cinnamon's window manager themes and add-on GUI customization extensions better as well. Out of the box and no tweaking of code to suit my personal preferences, Plasma is definitely elegant and more aesthetically pleasing overall. But, to a fault, I am very picky, OCD and unforgiving about my aesthetic preferences, and do not embrace change or variety in that area of my computing experience.

Works perfectly. Thanks for sharing, bro. It's interesting that a right-click copy and Ctrl+C (copy) did not seem to work for me after clicking on the control box in the upper left hand corner, but Ctrl+X (cut) works every time.

See my edit above your reply. Thanks for the Ctrl+X suggestion. Not sure why Ctrl+C and right-click copy don't work for me. Interesting. I am not even sure that is a legal position. Apparently, it has not been challenged in court yet. They could legitimately deny damage caused by overclocking. Voiding a warranty for no reason other than the customer being honest when asked the question is an unethical business practice. Unless they have some kind of evidence or reasonable basis for concluding the damage was caused by overclocking, there is no legitimate basis to refuse to pay for a product that fails to function correctly during the warranty period. This would apply to delidding as well. No different than saying your warranty is null and void because you replaced thermal paste yourself, used nylon washers under the ILM to keep from bending the CPU, or undervolted to improve thermals. They basically are voiding a warranty and refusing to cover any failures if the customer chooses not to use BIOS defaults.

Unfortunately, it is a monkey see, monkey do thing. AMD has the same policy on overclocking. The Intel monkeys saw the AMD monkeys getting away with shirking their responsibility, so now they are doing it. Doesn't matter who gets your money, you're going to get screwed from either company. I purchased an Allstate/Square Trade policy for $50 with the new 12900KS that includes accidental damage. There is no verbiage in the policy that hints at excluding overclocking. Hopefully, there will be no reason for me to use it or to find out if they go out of their way to deny a legitimate warranty claim. I will be curious how you do it. I seldom use mobile, but copy/paste on desktop doesn't seem to work for me when it comes to adding quotes when editing an existing post. I have tried many times and it doesn't seem to work. I'd love to know what you are doing differently. Edits below: Interesting. I have tried that before and it did not work, but Ctrl+C (copy) does not work. However Ctrl+X (cut) does. Weird. Also, right click does not show the "Copy" command, only "Copy Image" Also worth noting, I have to add the new test first and past above the text I add or I cannot add new text below the pasted quote. For some reason the bottom line of text of the pasted quote is like the end of the editable space.

The hard part is when you see the post you want to reply to after you've already posted and nobody posts after you. You can edit, but not add a new quote. There's no way to quote the post you are going to reply to in a post that was already saved. For some reason the forum software has a limitation that makes it where you can't copy and paste the quote from a temporary new post. The same functional limitation makes it where you can't quote a post in a different thread. There are times when I find the question and answer more appropriate in a different thread. If you're looking for a decent gaming experience you won't find a lot of difference one versus the other. Best to shop based on price. The 3070 probably does a slightly better job of ray tracing.

Both have been sold.

Well, it sucks that the first one failed, and even more so that I was honest to Intel and they're not taking care of business. So, this time around I bought an Allstate warranty that includes accidental damage since Intel and AMD are determined to not stand behind the products they sell. The replacement 12900KS SP ratings are significantly better, so this might be the silver lining to the dark cloud.

I don't have any benchmark results yet because I have been too busy with other things and the replacement 12900KS is supposed to be delivered today. But, subjectively I love it. As expected, it is an amazing product as every Dark mobo has been compared to the alternatives. The MSI mobo or defective CPU also messed up the replacement memory kit, so I can't do much yet because of that. I am finalizing a product review on a kit of Corsair DDR5 Vengeance RGB but it is Samsung IC and sucks at overclocking. The PMIC is limited to 1.435V (locked in firmware). The replacement TeamGroup Delta that I got from the RMA of the first kit now has one module stuck permanently at 2.100V in both the MSI and EVGA mobo, so something was definitely going haywire with the Unify-X or the CPU. But, now with the messed up 12900KS it is impossible to know whether it was the chicken or the egg that came first. I think I am going to sell the Unify-X and stick with the Strix D4 simply because it has no issues and is fine for a work computer. The enthusiast part of me would prefer to keep the Unify-X rather than the Strix, but I don't want to have to deal with any more nonsense. I think I would be better off not assuming whether or the Unify-X has been the source of the issues rather than taking the risk and finding out the hard way. The better bin of the 12900K and the replacement 12900KS will go into the Dark mobo and the Strix will run the lesser of the two. Good to know on that RAM. I like that it is not RGB. Thanks for sharing the link.

Everything the big tech companies do is deliberately metered and rolled out incrementally as feature enhancements in stages to ensure they have milk left in their digital mammary glands so they can sell us something new later on. They enjoy playing poker with our money and keeping the jackpot and gambling wins for themselves. If they include everything in one release or hardware generation they also can't make as much money as they would holding back things for later, and they will run out of gimmicks that get people excited about wasting their money. They also won't have something in their bags of tricks and nifty gimmicks to deflect the tricks and marketing gimmicks of their similarly clever competitor(s) if they include too much in a single release. It was kind of humorous how Threadripper fans got butt-hurt about AMD breaking their promises on the HEDT socket cross-generation compatibility, while the consumer side of their fan base remains fixated on having a static CPU socket form factor that spans many years. What they often don't realize is that having the ability to install a newer CPUs doesn't necessarily give them everything the newer CPU brings to the table and they still have to buy a new motherboard built using a legacy socket if they want all of the features to work. Depending on what they are hoping to accomplish, the CPU upgrade may not actually be the upgrade they were hoping for. The effect isn't that different than buying a new motherboard with a different CPU socket. The inability to downgrade to an older CPU on a newer motherboard and chipset is probably the greater benefit that gets overlooked. I do really care a lot about PCIe lane count. Moving back to consumer CPUs after being on HEDT for a while was initially difficult. I had to lower my expectations on how much stuff I could have running on PCIe. I didn't have issues running a dual NVMe PCIe card dropping my GPU from 16x to 8x or 4x, etc. It was nice having more PCIe lanes available than what I needed to do whatever I wanted to do. Most consumers and gamers don't find this limitation to be relevant and the reduction in function doesn't affect them based on their use scenario.

It is very difficult to find anything nice to say about anything that has to do with electronics technology. The hardware and the software that runs on it mostly trash, and what little doesn't suck is priced for people that have frivolous spending habits, or more money than intelligence. I hope Intel, AMD and NVIDIA experience record-setting losses and have to sell their next gen garbage for less than they are currently dumping their excess last Gen GPU inventory. It would also be nice to see Apple go out of business and Micro$lop stop working on new versions of Windows and Office and offer nothing but basic function-essential bug fixes for the next 5 or 6 years. The world doesn't need a next gen of anything. What we need is for them to stop pushing overpriced, unreliable, buggy, trash and "digitally signed" PUPs and data-stealing malware gimmicks. They don't deserve anything nice or good, and we don't owe them anything more than a hard reset.

If 5950X and X570 were any good I would still be running that. The platform was buggy to the point of frustration and the CPU and memory overclocking capabilities were pathetic. There are not very many that can run 50x on all cores without sub-zero cooling. Nice Cinebench scores is what attracted me to it in the first place. Little did I know that it would ultimately turn out to be about the only thing that I thought it was actually good for... and even then, only when my mouse and keyboard worked. I'd rank it in my top 10 most regrettable purchases of all time.

This is an apples-to-oranges comparison. 5950X is 16 cores / 32 threads. 12900K/KF/KS are 8 cores/ 16 threads, plus 8 Atom cores for a total of 24 threads. The Intel CPU outperforms the 5950X by a huge margin on a per thread basis, but it is 8 threads fewer than the 5950X. It is erroneous to put them in the same class due to the difference in total usable threads. If you were to disable 4 cores and force the 5950X to run with a maximum of 24 threads it would get its ass kicked really bad by an overclock 12900K/KF/KS. The more appropriate comparison would by a Ryzen 3900X or 5900X, which are 12 core, 24 thread. The highest Cinebench scores on HWBOT for 5900X are lower than the 12900K* scores that I, @Papusan or @johnksss have posted. And, the Cinebench R23 record is with a 5900X running 6.0GHz on LN2. https://hwbot.org/submission/4673735_oclockdoc_cinebench___r23_multi_core_with_benchmate_ryzen_9_5900x_30202_cb https://hwbot.org/hardware/processors#key=ryzen_9_5900x

I am not sure what I want to do as far as which mobo to keep. I really like the Unify-X, but not knowing if it is what damaged the memory and CPU, or if it was the CPU that damaged the memory makes it seem like maybe it shouldn't be worth the risk. The latter seems far less likely to me. I almost feel like whatever it did to screw up the memory also damaged the CPU and it just took longer for the evidence to show on the CPU. The Strix isn't a bad mobo by any means, but not even close to the same caliber as the Unify-X. The Strix is nice and the Unify-X is excellent, but I'd rather have a nice mobo than another round of parts killing. Nothing is mission-critical on the work system in terms of risk for data loss. Everything I do, including the data part, is cloud-based. I could do everything with a Chromebook or tablet if I had to, even though I wouldn't really want to. No you do not need to totally remove all of the solder, just level it out where it makes contact. The copper the heat pipes is made of is very soft and flexible. It's easy to sand it down and make it sound so you do want to avoid doing that. I would use something like 400 or 600 grit paper to take down the solder quickly and then move to 800 or 1000 grit to smooth it up and just don't sand on the bare copper that much. The only reason you need to sand that surface is so that there's no clumps or chunks of old solder or paint to interfere with the resoldering.

I had to just bite the bullet and order another CPU. It should be here on Tuesday. The failing 12900KS seems to work right most of the time other than the dead memory channel. Very odd. No visibly burned pads or anything else. I am guessing something internal in the transistor circuitry. I was hoping it would work fine on the DDR4 Strix mobo and I would just live with knowing it did not work right for DDR5, but no such luck. What I mean by most of the time is that it will randomly throw a BSOD. It did that three times today within the span of 30 minutes around mid-morning, but worked correctly otherwise from 6:30 AM when I started work until I stopped working at 4:00 PM. When it does the BSOD the mobo lights act weird and it behaves like it is retraining the memory, so it might be interesting to see if it keeps working long enough for the new 12900KS to arrive on Tuesday. If not, I may have to use my laptop for work for a few days. Then I will have to decide whether to keep the Strix and sell the Unify-X or vice versa. Part of me wonders if the MSI board did something to the CPU like the Z490 Apex that killed my first 10900KF. I like the Unify-X way better than I do the Strix D4, but I wonder if it wouldn't be the safer choice to keep the Strix. The Unify-X has had occasional random weirdness all along, but it is an excellent motherboard when it is not doing something goofy. First the memory SPD corruption, now the CPU losing a memory channel. Hard to feel like continuing to use it is the smart thing to do at this point. And, it is my second Unify-X, so that makes it even harder to have confidence in it being a reliable product.

Maybe someday I will be blessed with a MC within 100 miles of where I live. I hope so. The closest ones are in Tustin, CA (yours) and Dallas. I have suggested they look at adding one in Phoenix. I really don't know why there is not one here already. It is a gigantic metropolis. It would be wildly successful here, and Arizona is very business-friendly with unusually low taxes compared to many of the cities that are almost hostile toward businesses and tax-Nazis where they have locations. I am still waiting for the guy from Intel to send me an official copy of the warranty that states the act of overclocking the processor or memory automatically voids the warranty for failures of any kind, whether caused by overclocking or not.

Yeah, I understand that. I like gaming and it was a major focus for me for many years (limited interest in FPS only) and it ultimately contributed to birthing my fetish for overclocking high performance PCs. But, gaming is no longer something I engage in frequently enough for it to be of major importance. Most of the games I would play if I had time for that have been verified to run well on Linux. A surprisingly high number of them too, and it is probably worth noting that I generally only play AAA titles. I haven't tried any of the indie stuff on Linux since I don't buy or play indie games. I would expect similar or better results on Linux for Indie titles. The last game I purchased from Micro$lop Store was Gears of War 4 and when I found myself being required to install a newer version of Windows in the middle of my single player campaign I vowed to not give those filthy dung-eating losers my money again. I don't intend to feed their pig. I am happy with the idea of it starving to death, and to that I would say "good riddance" LOL.

A lot better than this. https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1694278