Mr. Fox

OK. As expected, MSI passed the buck and shirks their responsibility. Typical loser OEM, just like ASUS. "Generally speaking, BIOS update does not cause damage to memory SPD..." But, let's have TeamGroup pay for it... nice solution for MSI. EVGA FTW! Our friend at Thaiphoon Burner replied. He is such a great guy... and, very smart. ------------------------------------ From: Vitaliy Jungle Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 2:57 AM To: Mr. Fox Subject: Re: "Thaiphoon Burner PRO Corporative Edition" Hello Mr. Fox, Thank you for the reports sent! I have examined the SPD dumps from your Team Group memory modules. They are both corrupted indeed. However the first module with the corrupted Part Number "ŠEAMGROUP-UD5-620›" has only 1 error in the first 512 bytes. This means DRAM and module organization, timings, voltages and other electrical parameters are not corrupted. The Part Number also needs to be fixed. As to the second SPD dump, it has more random errors in the first 512 SPD bytes. Both of the SPD dumps have a corrupted XMP header. This is why BIOS doesn't find XMP profiles. Here is how the XMP header looks like in the SPD of your Corsair modules: It is not corrupted like the other part of XMP bytes. And here is the XMP header of your Team Group modules: The header is corrupted. As you can see many of the XMP bytes are set to "20". This is a "blank" code and it is related to a string code. And it is not an error. So, if the Thaiphoon Burner was ready, you could restore your SPD easily. But at this moment I am unable to help you. Anyway, thank you for sending me reports! I felt much better when I saw that my program is already capable of decoding some parts of DDR5 SPD without issues. With best regards, Vitaliy. @johnksss@Rage Set

Yes, I did it as Brother @jaybee83 suggested. Packed it in from the large open end.

I am sorry to hear that. I am not sure what to suggest at this point.

Got an new ssd to put in more OS's. From what I have read. After 5= quintuple boot then we will have 6 = sextuple, 7 = septuple, 8 = octuple 🙂 You probably already know this but for the benefit of anyone else reading that may not, it is always best to install the OS with only the drive you wish to install it on. All others should be physically removed or disabled in the bios. That way each operating system will have its own unique BCD/MBR. Then you can add and remove anytime you want to without having to worry about whether or not it will affect one of the other installed operating systems. If you install multiple Windows version with a previous there will be only one bootloader on one drive, and the function of all OSes will be dependent upon the presence of the drive where the first OS was installed because the bootloader for all of them is on that drive. @Tenoroon if this is not the one I shared with you before, try it first. XTU 4.2.0.8 AW18 This is probably the one I gave you before, but I do not recall for certain.

It was set to anyone with the link can access but maybe that didn't work. I approved your request anyway.

Recheck my post. I added a link to an archive with several older versions. It is difficult to find older versions of XTU to download.

It's a long shot, but have you tried XTU? It is hit or miss whether it allows you to adjust it. Here is a link to download older versions that I have archive. Try one with a date close to when your CPU was released.

Yes, he does.

I got a response from the TB developer. Added to spoiler below. Corrupted TeamGroup Delta DDR5-6200 CPU-Z Report.txt Known Good Corsair Vengeance DDR5-6400 CPU-Z Report.txt

I don't like it either. I do not mind the light, but having to run crappy bloatware to change it to white really sucks. And, all of the software made for RGB is totally trash. That said, that person is just guessing. I don't know that it is accurate. If the Corsair stick that died actually died and did not get corrupted, it has no RGB. I selected it as a replacement specifically because it is not RGB memory.

Maybe this is a bigger problem than we know. Apparently, I am not the first and it is happening on other brands as well. Post #1 and #6 are of particular interest. Check this out: https://www.overclock.net/threads/corrupted-ddr5-spd-fix-tutorial.1795935/ @johnksss

I think the reasons were entirely self-serving. Not because they care, and not because they are "good people" because the exact opposite is true. They did it for self-preservation, because they know there are still multiple millions of people--including businesses--that are not going to drink their urine-flavored Kool-Aid and will abandon Windows when they can no longer use Windows 7. Some will switch to Linux, some to crApple, and some begrudgingly to Winduz 10/11 only when they are forced to because they did not plan ahead carefully enough and/or the software their business requires to function can't work on Linux or crApple. The tiny group that will be dumb enough to jump to Mac haven't figured out that Windoze 10/11 suck so bad precisely because they are reading from pages in the crApple playbook. For that reason, I probably will not upgrade my GPU any time in the foreseeable future. And, if and when I do it will be because it is supported by Linux. I am very close to the point that I don't give a rat's ass what the Redmond Retards do about anything. I value their new "products" roughly the same as I do the ABC gum stuck on the underside of a table in a booth at a filthy diner on the dirty side of the railroad tracks.

I asked because your phone screenshot says "collect in person" so I thought that meant you were picking it up.

Nice! Congrats, bro. You bought it locally? Pickup in person? If so, even better. No unpleasant suprises tha way.

That certainly didn't last very long. Now it's back to the previously insane but still supposedly discounted price. Same for the Dark. It's too bad the Classified has 4 DIMM slots instad of 2. Ever since I started using 2-slot mobos (or 4-slot X299) I don't want anything with 4 DIMM slots. The memory usually doesn't overclock as well, even when the slots are empty.

Sorry to hear this. It does seem like a hardware/mobo issue. What I said a moment ago applies to your situation, too.

Yeah, I hope not, too. Although, it would not be the first time I had an almost new stick of RAM go bad. I have had a couple DOA before as well. I saw one of the reviews on NewEgg where another customer complained that one stick of the Vengeance DDR5 was no good. I am glad that the replacement RAM confirmed the Delta RAM got messed up by the BIOS flash. At least the kit worked long enough to verify that, LOL. The old cliché that they "just don't make things like the used to" is more true now than ever before. Some of the most reputable brands seem to not have any QC any more.

Well, one of the Corsair sticks died today. I initiated replacement with NewEgg. I was using my computer earlier today and it locked up. I had to hold down the power button to shut it off, and then it wouldn't boot again. Removed one stick and nothing. Same problem. Put that one back in and took the first one out I left in and it immediately booted and ran fine. Put the other stick in by itself and again no boot. The good stick boots fine in either slot and the one that died won't boot in either one. Put the TeamGroup sticks back in, booted fine. Set manual timings and back to using it until the exchange is complete.

I also opened a ticket with MSI and sent screenshots that I had shared here. I will update this thread with their position on the matter when they reply.

I will try reaching out to him. I have communicated with him via email a lot over the years and so has @Prema. He has seemed to vanish and I hope that no harm or misfortune has come to him. The last time I renewed my Thaiphoon Burner license it took a long time for him to respond. When he did reply he was apologetic and said it would be a week or more before he could update the license. He did update the license and when I thanked him and expressed my appreciation and concern for his well being he never responded. He has always been fast to respond and very friendly, thus my concern. Edit: I just emailed him. I will provide an update if he replies. From: Mr. Fox Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2022 10:30 AM To: Vitality Jungle Subject: RE: "Thaiphoon Burner PRO Corporative Edition", Mr. Fox [ORD] Hello my friend. I have not heard from you for a long time. I hope all is well for you and your family. Do you know of a way to reprogram DDR5 modules? Does Thaiphoon Burner work with DDR5? I have an MSI MEG Z690 Unify-X and flashing the motherboard firmware seems to have corrupted the SPD and erased the XMP profiles. Replacing the sticks proved the corruption occurred on the modules and not the motherboard.

I do not have a way to reflash the correct SPD on the Delta sticks. It seems Thaiphoon Burner does not work on DDR5 and the firmware does not have an option to enable SPD write. I do not know if that is an MSI BIOS thing or if Z690 and/or DDR5 are the reason for that. If I could, there is nothing wrong that I can see with the actual memory modules. They work fine with manual settings other than the 1.435V cap that the SPD corruption introduced. I wish I knew of a way to reprogram them. It was super easy using Thaiphoon Burner on DDR3 and DDR4.

Nice to see a beloved brother joining the Mr. Fox multi-boot club. It is good to be able to test and identify the OS that produces the best score in a specific benchmark, and exploit whatever OS gives you the advantage. Liking it is not necessary if all you are doing is exploiting it to run a benchmark, and neither is using it when you are done. Even better, I like having the authority of experience to validate my vitriol for filthy feces like Windows 10 and 11. I can base my deeply-rooted hatred on knowledge and experience, and that greatly enhances the power of vilification and damnation, and it castrates any argument that I am simply a troll that resists change. I am an enthusiast that seeks opportunities to bring severe and irreparable financial and reputational harm to peddlers of technology dung. If I could, I would crucify them.

A60 is stable, but I am not sure yet what benefit, if any, there is on memory because those were different modules. The ones that the BIOS flash corrupted are TeamGroup Delta 6200 sticks and the new ones are Corsair Vengeance 6400. I was able to finally get the Delta 6200 to boot and bench at 7000, but not without a lot of fuss and much higher voltage, and not error-free. These Vengeance modules seem a lot more stable and use less voltage. Just for shiggles I may flash A30 to the second BIOS and see if there is any identifiable difference. If these new sticks struggle with 7000 on A30 then we can maybe say A60 is better. If it behaves the same then it will remain a mystery what "compatibility" was enhanced. It may have been something they did to improve results for modules using Samsung or Micron ICs since those have been kind of crummy to deal with on DDR5. Only SK Hynix has/had been decent.

Mobettah.

Got them and everything is back to normal now. Super happy about that. The mystery now is how and why flashing the MSI A60 BIOS cause this. That makes no sense and it is totally messed up. I do not believe it is coincidence that it happened totally independent of the BIOS flash at EXACTLY at the same time.