Mr. Fox

https://www.overclock.net/threads/new-12700k-build-i-was-told-100-to-use-win-11.1797876/post-28982208

LOL. For a few seconds I was like, "wait, what is this all about" ...then it clicked... Good one.

Yeah, he nailed it. If you're a "normie" that is frightened of tuning a computer or just a click-and-run jockey with no interest or skill, buy it. The captured comment (screenshot below) seems evident about AMD in general, they just went to the extreme to make this CPU worthless to every performance enthusiast on the planet. Even their "unlocked" CPU suck at overclocking. Whether that is due to intent or incompetence is anyone's guess. No thank you. No thank you.

The enthusiast-grade consumer CPUs like 10900K and 12900K are ideally suited for multi-purpose workloads, including gaming. You can overclock them, run them stock, undervolt them... a lot of flexibility that is not available for locked-down peasant-grade CPUs with fewer cores. That said, you can also overspend and hurt your results if you go overboard on the CPU. It is not uncommon to see better gaming performance from CPUs in the 6 to 12 core range. When you start going above 12 core/24 thread the gaming performance tends to often go the opposite direction. They are certainly more powerful, excellent for benching and severe demand CPU workloads, but they are not ideally suited for some games that get easily "confused" by the excessive core/thread count available to them.

Spending gobs of money on high end hardware for gaming is truly foolish and unwarranted. There will always be random exceptions of shoddy coding of games (software) that requires an inordinately strong CPU or GPU to perform well enough to not be a miserable experience. For all intents and purposes, anything between, and including, a 1070 and 3060 is more than enough juice to have a pleasant gaming experience if you tune the settings to match the hardware correctly. The exception is an abnormally heavy use of ray-tracing. The high-end enthusiast parts are useful for other hobbies, like overclocked benching and e-peen competition, but gaming isn't a hobby that warrants the added expense. I also agree that it is very difficult for me to spot a huge difference (sometimes any difference) in how a game looks while moving from low to medium, or medium to high/ultra. If I have to pay close enough attention to the subtle differences, then I am nit-picking rather than enjoying playing the game. Things like hitching and stuttering are far more noticeable and visually harmful to the gaming experience than things like a few extra jaggy edges, subtle improvements in texturing or a few extra sparkles here and there that nobody other than a photo-realism snob cares about. My favorite pets are the ones that belong to someone else. I do prefer cats because they eat less and are lower maintenance, less dependent on attention from their master, less messy and can be left to take care of themselves outdoors if you go out of town on a business trip or vacation. As long as they have water, they'll eat bugs, mice, snakes, lizards or whatever. I like both cats and dogs and enjoy their companionship as long as they are gentle and well-mannered, but not fond of the added responsibility and expense of caring for pets. We have two cats now. I love them, and they're good kitties, but often wish we didn't have them only because pets of any kind are an added hassle I can happily live without. I tend to place much greater value on my property than I do the pets/pests that can damage the property. If they damage any of my important stuff, I have to resist the urge to kill them to ensure it never happens again. I think that all aggressive pets need to be euthanized. If they cause harm or injury to humans or other pets, that warrants death. Having the monitoring features is useful when the information is accurate. But, definitely not at the expense of sacrificing performance induced by the bloatware supporting it. If you have to use resource-sapping bloatware to output the sensor data that kind of negates the value of the monitoring features. At best, you are left with an extra task of having to monitor or manage the systemic impact of the monitoring software overhead.

Yeah, they are good. I used to listen to them too, and totally forgot about them. Thanks for the reminder. 🙂

The picture of the kitty with the sunglasses is what sold me. It doesn't need to perform well as long as I have that.

I am really happy with these bare die temperatures. This is three back-to-back runs of CBr20.

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Thanks. 🙂 The more, the merrier. As long as temps don't get in the way of having more.

I am not sure what country he is from, but our world in general is in an unusual amount of turmoil and there aren't any places left that don't suck for one reason or another. If he is in Russia, Ukraine or an affected neighboring country, he may not be able to respond or he may have more important things to think about.

Both look fantastic. I wish I had the extra dough on hand and I would have gladly taken that nice KS sample off your hands and upgraded Banshee with a Strix D4. I am looking forward to seeing what you do.

Considering that I have ordered a Supercool Computer Direct Die block for the 12900K, I figured I might as well go ahead and install the one I had and never used for the 10900K. So, now Banshee is running bare die. Before/after posted below.

I have not. I have seen it featured on some air cooled video cards, but I have not seen an option for aftermarket fans to select a direction of rotation. I assumed they are standard and rotate clockwise. Interesting idea, though.

Maybe something for thermal management. A thread for memory tuning would make sense, too.

That doesn't surprise me at all. Ryzen CPUs suck at overclocking and their GPUs have sucked at overclocking since Radeon 6000 series. Azor has always been a traitor to PC enthusiasts. A good salesman knows all of the right ways to lie to get the sale. It is the perfect marriage of sucky hardware with "Chief Architect of Gaming Solutions" focused on providing crippled trash for the kiddos to get their gaming itch scratched. No need for the product to be any good as long as it plays games OK and costs less than Intel and NVIDIA. It makes sense that consoles are powered by AMD "DNA" because they do not need to be special or do anything impressive as long as they all behave the same and require no knowledge or skill on the part of the end user. Consistency: Push the button, pull the chain, out comes chocolate choo-choo train. "AMD silently gave the Radeon RX 6400 a retail launch last week. However, TechPowerUp's review of the Radeon RX 6400 purportedly revealed that it lacks overclocking support, meaning there's no way for owners to boost the Navi 24-based graphics card's performance." "The Radeon RX 6400 initially targeted OEMs, but AMD eventually decided to unleash it for the retail market. The graphics card apparently performs like Nvidia's three-year-old GeForce GTX 1650 from the Turing days. According to TechPowerUp's results, even the Radeon RX 570, which debuted in 2017, is faster than the Radeon RX 6400." Perfect solution for Alienware and XPS, Omen and Legion branded gaming trashboxes. On sale now at Walmart. Hurry kids!!!

I looked though all of my files and YouTube videos and I didn't save any screenshots or anything else relating to the Strix mobo that might be useful. I was certain that I had, but I cannot locate anything, so maybe they were deleted. If you still have a BIOS profile saved, apply that profle, then change the RAM settings to default profile, then save and exit the BIOS. This will apply the CPU overclock but not the RAM overclock. Then save the profile again before you begin tweaking the RAM. Make note of all of the CPU settings on all of the menus (F12 will take screenshots and save them to USB). I have attached ASUS TurboV Core that you can use for tinkering in Windows. It is lightweight and a much better tool than XTU. It is useful for dialing things in to later apply them in the BIOS. It will not work with newer versions of Windows 10. I know it works with 1809. (Same is true for MemTweakit. Both are broken by newer versions of Windows 10, just like all good things that are actually worth having are.) This video might be helpful as a good starting point for the CPU overclock for 52x core, 49x cache. The menus should be the same. I always have overclocked using an all-core fixed ratio and fixed cache ratio. All TVB options disabled, power limits and current limits maxed out, and turbo time limt maxed out. I do not recommend using any AI overclocking features. TurboV_Core_1.10.08.7z

Still about $800-$1,000 more than I am willing to spend on a GPU, but it looks nicer than the prior couple of generations of hybrids did. Although I am not a fan of air-cooled GPUs and wouldn't want to use one that way, I think going forward I am going to try to confirm the GPU I am planning to buy has a couple of options available for aftermarket water block support and then buy the air-cooled version to make things easier. Although I seldom sell my used graphics cards, having a stock air cooler makes it easier to resell to people that are scared of water cooling. As difficult as I find it to relate to, I know that some people actually prefer air cooling. The hybrid AIO thing and no air cooling unit would also make it not a usable product for the people that plan to stuff it into a SFF easy-bake oven with no room available for a GPU radiator. It somewhat annoys me that PX1 identifies my KPE a hybrid due to the firmware even though it's no longer that. It would be nice if EVGA stopped including that in the GPU name/description in the vBIOS. Just call it a Kingpin, FTW3, etc. and skip the hybrid naming convention.

I agree. I don't like using software for fans and RGB, or for most other system controls. A mechanical control mechanism is best. I have been using a manual hardware fan controller on the desktop for several years and that is my preference. It is how I control the external fans and pumps. I don't have a hardware controller that I can use internally, but I don't really need one. All of the fans are set to run full speed 24/7 except for the loud 3000 RPM Noctua fan I use for blowing on the RAM. I have that one set to change based on temperatures in the BIOS. I think I am going to get a water block (waiting for a cheap price) for that and then I won't need to even use the loud Noctua fan at that point. Until then, I am going back to using the BIOS.

I changed my mind. I have had the fans randomly not work until opening the software and manually changing something with the sensor to make them restart, so I am going to remove it and go back to using the BIOS only. Reminds me of years ago using HWiNFO64 for Alienware laptop fan controls... which worked great except for when it randomly did not work.

Yes, it is an extraordinary 10850K sample and that voltage 52x all core with 1.375-1.400V is right where it ought to be. You may be able to run a little bit lower voltage with lower core temps and higher LLC. If the LLC is too low the voltage will drop too much under load and crash. I would run the LLC at Level 6. The Level 4 (default OC for ASUS) allows too much vdroop. Most 10850K won't even run at 52x, some use that much voltage at 50x all core.

Looks like it is going to force me to install the latest DCH GeFarts driver filth in order to launch it. It's pitching a fit about me not using a DCH cancer driver. Edit: Spend a fair amount of energy trying to figure it out and I can't get it to work right, so I will have to wait until it is in a distributable runtime format.