Mr. Fox

45 minutes ago, Papusan said:

All tech companies try please China. Last one one out is Intel. 

Yes, unfortunately. This is because it has been allowed to happen. It should not be allowed. The only way to fix it is to stop permitting it. China cannot participate if they are deliberately excluded and cut off. They need to replace Afghanistan as the world's poorest nation.

That is why the US, UK and EU need to ban together and outlaw any form of trade or exchange with China and any other nation that considers itself an ally to China. Any travel to China should be one-way, with no pathway back by land, sea or air.

59 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Nvidia use their tech almost as open source for China. They can easily go around US restrictions. Only the small fishes will be taken with the pants down. And Nvidia can continue with new unknown partners for next round. 

Then he should have his US citizenship revoked and get deported to China. All of his personal belongings can be confiscated, sold and the funds used to support something that benefits everyone else. Screw them. Tech companies need to either fall in line or get expunged by the use of force. There should be zero tolerance for any company supporting China or any other enemies of the free world in any form. These vile nations need to be cut off from the rest of the world, isolated and left without any basic resources of any kind and allowed to wither and die. There should be no trade with them in any fashion and their currency should not be accepted as tender for any financial transactions.

As long as stupdity is tolerated, prices of PC hardware (and many other things) will never correct. Stupidity is extremely common, and it is easy to identify stupid. You don't even have to try. It stands up, waves and screams, then introduces itself. Found two examples of it in about 10 seconds.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

LOOL. Jensen gave more love for the China-chip 5090D in many games. And what with the silicon lottery? Will China (Asia) get the better silicon as usual? Remember China stands for  1/3 of the GPU market. And Jensen love it. And I'm sure he will open up the backdoor with fully working 5090's so it can flood the China market with real AI chips. Just use all their scummy partner for all whats worth.

 

 

ASUS ROG GeForce RTX 5090D Astral OC to 3.4GHz with LN2 cooling, uses almost 1000W power

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/102795/asus-rog-geforce-rtx-5090d-astral-oc-to-3-4ghz-with-ln2-cooling-uses-almost-1000w-power/index.html

What needs to happen is NVIDIA (and any other company) that cooperates with China in any way gets all of their patents revoked and everything they produce is automatically gifted to the world as open source and free for the taking.

Also needs to happen with Micro$lop, Intel and AMD. Need to make it a law that they have to provide newly released hardware driver support back to the initial RTM release version of every OS produced for the greater of 3 OS generations or 15 years. If they do not, patents are denied or revoked and their products (hardware and software) are gifted to the world as open source. If they try using their lies that the old OS doesn't "support" certain feature they want to implement they can choose between not implemented or being forced to provide an update for the OSes they (falsely) claim lack support.  Windows 2000 and Windows 7 will support any and all hardware features introduced in 2025 and beyond except for the deliberate actions taken to prevent support.

On 1/22/2025 at 4:33 PM, tps3443 said:

I was expecting these prices, and they are exactly what I thought they’d be. Top dawg AIB’s are always 25% more expensive than the Founder Edition models. 

They should be but it should be 25% more than an acceptable FE base price not screwed 25% harder than already screwed for 200% more than what an FE should sell for. None, not one, of the GPUs are worth the price they are being advertised at. Everyone that buys one is getting sodomized. And if the only thing available turns out to be shitty Windows 11 driver support it will be getting shanked in the groin on top of the sodomization. There are already components on new motherboards that have no Windows 10 drivers. I'd love to round up all their idiots responsible for that, put them into a cage and drop the cage into the ocean. They are unworthy of oxygen.

58 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Hmmm. It's Asus 5080 flagship. And it looks like a 5090 Astral so😁 People will buy it whatever price. I'm sure some sit home in front of the Asus web sales page right now and drools all over the blinking flashy Asus ROG gaming keyboard. Must have.... It's a flagship. It's Asus. Can't afford the 5090 Astral so this it has to be.

 

I think A$$zeus could put RGB on a cow patty and their idiot fanboys would pay $10,000 for it just because of the RGB and ROG name on it. If the ROG logo is RGB they'd pay $12,000 for it. Can't fix stupid.

We really need to start punishing bad behavior instead of rewarding it. The only way we can do that is by depriving them of the revenue they need to survive unless or until they knock it off. If they don't knock it off then their companies all deserve to die of monetary starvation. We have all the power and hold all the cards. We need to start playing those cards and begin wielding the deadly sword of common sense. Easier said than done when common sense has become so uncommon.

17 hours ago, Eban said:

Nickelback - Animals

I've posted a version of this song before but I love it so much. Power Riffs 

 

Dunno why these guys get a bit of hate...but too bad. I like it!

 

 

 

Nickelback - Rockstar

 

Haters are gonna hate. It's their loss. Good music regardless of what they think about it. The haters can go fly a kite. Can't fix stupid.

12 hours ago, Papusan said:

Asus' Q-Release Slim feature is reportedly damaging some GPU PCIe connectors

Affects 800-series Intel and AMD motherboards.

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Asus has lost their mind! I just read the 5090 Astral reviews, and literally chuckled at what Guru3D listed in the comments (Clearly a typo) They want $1700 for a 5080 TUF? And they want $2800 for a 5090 Astral?! They are pricing this card +$400 over the Suprim SOC, and +$300 over the Suprim SOC Liquid. I am not getting the Asus Astral! I draw the line at that price 100%. Asus has lost their MIND! That would be $3,015 dollars with taxes not including any extra shipping cost if I want it a little faster.

Yeah, that's definitely not ideal. I wouldn't call it "breaking" GPUs but it is, best case scenario, causing physical damage like that is undesirable and unaesthetic. If a person took their GPU in and out of the slot on a frequent basis it could hurt the resale value of the GPU or void its warranty with the GPU manufacturer having it all scratched up like that. What would be humorous is if the motherboard and GPU are both made by ASUS and they end up having to foot the bill for replacing both. I'd still buy the Apex though. My 4090s will be out of warranty long before any surface scratches on the PCB ever matter. It's good that the contact fingers are not being affected by that ridiculous retention mechanism the clowns at ASUS decided to make. Things like that are truly worthy of severe punitive legal action. It's sad how all of the big names in tech act first, think later and just don't care. I'm starting to grow numb to how we are getting screwed over at every turn. AMD, Intel, NVIDIA, ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte, ASRock... all of them. All shady and greed-driven self-centered entities that ultimately don't really care about the quality of their products, the people that make them or the people that purchase them. The joke is on us for thinking anything different. The brain cancer that turned all laptops into digital feces is metastasizing and degrading the desktop space. But, there is still satsifaction in knowing it's all gonna burn and take them with it.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

@Mr. Fox Is this enough to try lure you back to jokebooks?😁 

 

 

Intel proposes easily repairable and sustainable modular PC design for laptops and mini PCs

 

 

 

I wonder what Asus will charge for the 5080 Astral. The extra fan and the design cost equal much for the 5080 as for the 5090 Sku. Hmmm. $1.899.99 ?😛 The 5090 FE looks cheaper and cheaper, LOL

 

 

I'm honestly in a place where I just wouldn't own a computer any more if I had to purchase a modern turdbook. There are no words to express the contempt I have for mobile dung. They're trolling the people that waste their money on defective trash engineered by idiots.

29 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

With the tax here home the $400 uplift from Asus will be transformed into $500 once you click the buy button. Nice. Even worse if you compare it to the FE. That would be $800 premium or $1000 extra with the tax

 

See it the other way. I could buy a vanilla 5090 MSRP card and put with a 5070 Ti for the second build for the ROG price premium. But nowadays... And with the silicon lottery... An MSRP 5090 could beat the Asus flagship for $1000 less. 

ASUS should focus more on what actually matters and stop burning calories on unnecessary fluff like going nuts putting RGB crap on everything, garbage like Armory Crate and "gaming smartphones" and other silly things. It seems like some of the biggest brands are becoming the "trashmasters" of the industry.

FE teardown... 90°C memory temperatures... SMH

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

I laughed out loud over this one. 🤣

 

 

In all honesty, we were all Sheeple the moment we ponied up $1500 for a 3090 and $2k for a KPE......

 

Or when we ponied up $1600+ for a 4090.....

 

Cards moved for Ampere and Ada priced at $2k so Nvidia and AIBs keep pushing upward till they feel a noticeable loss in sales like the 4080 and retreated back down to $999 with the 5080 and have stayed there even this cycle along with lowering prices on the 5070ti and keeping the 5070 the same price. It shows Nvidia bean counters respond to market forces like consumer spending limits and AMD.

 

5090? Zero competition. Zero need to compete price wise.

 

AIBs? Getting in on the money grab. 40% markup for Asus this time with the Astral vs 25% before with the Strix. MSI? 25% markup vs less than 10% before with the Suprim.

 

 

I chuckled as I posted it as well. 🤣

We have all contributed to the lunacy and unless the price is even more off the rails more than the Intel versions I will again be contributing to the problem when I purchase an X870E Apex. But, there has to be a point where the line gets drawn into the sand and we say no to insanity. It seems like with GPUs it is going from a tolerated level of insanity to the point of an intolerable degree of criminal insanity and on an unacceptable and steep trajectory. If they keep tacking on an extra 20 to 25% scalper premium for video cards every year, including the crappy brands and models, that kind of predatory behavior deserves to end in abject failure. We should not be paying Galax HOF and K|NGP|N prices for Ventus, Trinity and Trio gamer garbage SKUs. Just like we shouldn't pay Apex, Tachyon or Godlike prices for Prime, Tomahawk and Eagle tier motherboards.

15 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Asus want 800$ Premium over MSRP 

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-5090-astral/44.html

My response is: wish in one hand, poop in another... see which one gets full first. 

The problem is there are way too many sheeple that will pay the extra $800 A$$zeus fanboy tax as though it was normal and OK. They wouldn't be raping people with asinine prices if they didn't voluntarily drop their drawers.

Seems many others posting in the thread feel the same. No. Just... No A$$zeus.

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/asus-geforce-rtx-5090-astral-oc.331516/page-2

1 minute ago, tps3443 said:

This model has a thicker and shorter PCIe tail hook so it won't break or crack over time. @Mr. Fox has one of the newer ones as well. 

Yes, it is made like a "normal" GPU now, not Gigabyte's previously flawed/weak design that was easier than normal to break.

7 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Spot on.... From 27:50

 

I honestly do not believe NVIDIA cares if anything less than 5090 is popular or sells well as long as they can't keep any 5090 FE cards in stock. I think they stopped caring what performance enthusiasts and gamers want a few years ago, and until AMD or Intel can launch an assault that threatens their flagship model they don't care about anything else except for maximizing profit on their most expensive product that they have shrewdly made the only product too many people want by simply dumbing down everything else.

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

 

my wife woulddve said the exact same thing 😄 bless their hearts hahaha

My wife would be like "So, you want to spend $3000 on a GPU? What do you think I should buy with my half of the $6000?"

I bought another IceMan Cooling direct touch RAM block. Delivery this time was fast... like one week. I decided to leave the magnetic black trim off this time so that accessing the screws did not require removing the fittings. The black trim looks nice, but not worth the extra effort needed. RAM temps are 1°C higher than the water in the loop.

10 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

These prices make me feel like the 1100 I paid out the door for the 4080 Super Ventus 3X OC was decent. There is someone local with a used 4090 FE but he wants 1750 which I feel is too much.

My Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC was $1500 and my MSI 4090 Suprim (air) was like $1700. My K|NGP|N 3090 was $1999.  My EVGA refurbished 3090 Ti FTW3 was $800 on NewEgg.

TL;DR - way too much money for a used 4090 FE. He is trying to sell it for as much or more than NVIDIA or Best Buy sold it for (depending on when you bought it). I bet if he sticks to his guns someone very foolish and fiscally irresponsible will pay that for it.

Once prices go up they seldom ever come down, even when the circumstances that stimulated the price increase to avoid losses no longer exist. Instead of correcting, profits are maximized. The only thing that allows that to happen is the existence and cooperation of foolish purchasers that are willing to overpay and exacerbate the problem rather than do without something they want.

It seems like the prices of refurbished, used and new obsolete GPUs (4090 and older) just recently saw a bit of a price jump, maybe based on the 5090 pricing so ludicrous. The only appropriately priced to value GPUs are the mid-range models and a lot of us have no desire to purchase mid-range price-conscious (budget) gamer trash.

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I wasn't because the Liquid Suprim 4090 was $1749 vs $1599 MSRP (less than 10% markup) for the 4090 so at most I was expecting ~$2200 or even $2250 not a full 100%+ markup over their last difference between MSRP 4090 and Liquid models.

 

Insane.

 

I'll half heartedly take a stab at an FE due to price, flexibility and SFF potential but that's about it and when they drop. At a certain point, you just have to take your foot off the pedal and go, "done!"

 

When a GPU after tax is closer to 3k than 2k it's time to rethink things a bit especially for the smallest jump in performance in 4 generations.

 

 

Ahhh, ok! Over on the OC forums, you said you had a 14900KS SP112 and I was like, "whoa! When did Foxy get one of those!! I need to take a looksy at the V/F table on that puppy!" 🙂

 

I've had so many I can't keep them straight and sometimes my brain thinks one thing and my fingers type something different.

Those 5090 prices are WAY beyond reasonable.  People paying prices like that help ruin everything for the people not willing to. Those prices are really $hi**y. We are talking K|NGP|N and Galax HOF prices for crappy, emasculated, mass-production gamer-grade trash. $1,000 more than they would be if NVIDIA wasn't deliberately screwing everyone.

Somebody needs to get Jensen in a dark alley and just beat the snot out of him.

58 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

On another note @Mr. Fox, what's the V/F table on your SP112 14900KS? Curious to see what it's points are.

My 13900KS is SP112. The 14900KS I bought from @tps3443is SP108. Their voltage requirements and MC are very similar.

14900KS SP108 (current install in my Z790 Apex)

13900KS SP112 (currently installed in my Z790i Edge)

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

be careful when going the FE route, blocking it will not be easy due to its freaky 3 board design...

I don't remember which cooling component vendor mentioned it, maybe it was Alphacool, but it's going to be enough of a pain in the butt that it would not surprise me at all if nobody makes a block for it. If the AIB cards use a conventional PCB layout instead of that cobbled together abortion they might just say no to the idea of making one for the FE card. If I were a manufacturer of GPU waterblocks I'd say no to that one. Not worth the hassle. They would have to build some kind of frame to hold the pieces rather than just attaching everything to a brittle piece of acrylic.

The cynical part of me believe that the Green Goblin did this deliberately to impair any kind of aftermarket modification and to make repairing (versus buying a new GPU) more difficult.

52 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Problem is 3090->4090 is really a once in a lifetime uplift and spoiled us, but the uplift from the 4090->5090 is smaller than any of the previous 4 generations so there's a reason to grumble there too.

Yes, Roman brought that out in his video. I can't help but think seeing a @der8auer video highlighting that historically below average performance bump is going to not set well with some people entertaining the idea of dropping a ton of money on a 5090 if they already own a 4090. I hope that sales falter hard at launch and NVIDIA has to lower the price to 4090 MSRP to move inventory. That would be awesome.

Not that I care much, but I am eager to learn what the deal is with the radio silence on Radeon 9070 XT. I don't recall whose YouTube video it was, but I heard that retailers have had them in stock for over a month but can't put them up for sale yet. AMD has not given them a green light to sell or given any guidance on pricing. Maybe AMD are waiting on NVIDIA products to launch in order to see where the 9070 XT falls into the performance stack with NVIDIA's cards so they can decide how much they can charge for it. It would be hard to price and market something accurately if you don't have a clue what it compares to with the competitor's product or the price of that product.

Newer is always better newer. This guy is spot on. (Channel does not allow video embedding.)

I love seeing any PC tech ranting about the absolute  trash we are being sold. (Software and hardware trash.)

https://youtu.be/JgDZF5Aiums?si=dPXzMO1B9QgVDO41

11 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

And it seems Galax killed the HOF. And if you saw that video... Kingpin not even sure it will be team Green. Could it be that Nvidia now have fully control what the different AIB parners engineers can do with Nvidia cards? This doesn't look great.

 

And for MSI.... The new Lighning cards can only be different in design and function (5 fans) but nothing more. Just a better cooling to squize out 1 or2 bin higher boost clocks.

Enthusiast Gamer PC = Console = everyone gets a trophy for participation = every enthusiast gamer experience is the same ...but PC costs more. Because they can, and PC enthusiasts gamers continue saying yes to getting screwed.

Not Gen 5. Not enough time. Family first (as appropriate).  MSI blew their chance to go from good to great.

Nice to see Roman starting off with a pragmatic view out of the gate. 

What would make the disappointment even greater is if they do not offer W10 driver support or they end support when the Redmond Retards do. That would really blow on top of the huge price increase and smaller than  historically normal performance gain over the prior generation.

Maybe the goal is for consumers to pay for all of the design changes that nobody asked for and don't make it better. They must have missed how that plan worked out for Intel.

Scummy people that do scummy things. Like this...

https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2025/01/the-great-google-ads-heist-criminals-ransack-advertiser-accounts-via-fake-google-ads