21 minutes ago, Reciever said:

There are still some things that need looking into but its more of a "see where the trend starts" type of metric. 

 

Otherwise some updates and maintenance was done to the forum and things should be back to snuff.

It seemed better just now. When I came back everything loaded quickly.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

How long will Microsoft let you use your current hardware  before they push new hardware requirements for newer OS builds?

It depends on what sort of collusive arrangements can be made with the skanks manufacturing PC hardware and what kind of kickback the Redmond Mafia can expect from such a clandestine illegal arrangement.

5 hours ago, Raiderman said:

There may be a little migration from Intel boys coming this generation.  Core ultra doesn't look promising.  Less clock speed and no logical cores.

You probably won't see me wasting any money on AMD products, but you could be right about some that don't know any better. 😉 But, you probably won't see me upgrading on the Intel side either. If hyperthreading and overclocking are dying, my interest in PC tech dies right along with it. Right out the window. Computers instantly become the functional equivalent of screwdrivers and pliers to me without satisfying overclocking: used only when necessary to perform a task that requires them and ignored the rest of the time.

Some may not have noticed, but I've purchased extra nicely binned LGA-1700 CPUs that are not needed for spares in the anticipation of not buying anything newer for the foreseeable future. Maybe a Battlemage GPU if they seem good enough and not overpriced.

On 5/28/2024 at 10:57 AM, Reciever said:

When my colleague has some down time he will look into the forums performance, appears to be a huge uptick in traffic but before we figure out countermeasures we want to know where its coming from.

 

Its probably the first real vacation he's had in 10+ years so I dont want to claw him back unless its something more severe. 

Hope you guys can find and fix whatever is wrong. It seems much worse today. Very unresponsive forum navigation as opposed to the sluggishness before. I've actually had some time-out errors today. 

On 5/27/2024 at 7:19 PM, Raiderman said:

Nicely done bro! Maybe someday, I'll be able to finish my office/geek cave. I have 3 office chairs, all junk, a corner desk, which I kind of like, a Costco bookshelf full of harware boxes, an old coffee table, and multiple boxes of crap that need gone through.

 

Ps. You're hired 👍🤙

First thing I threw out was all my spare laptop parts. Mostly heat sinks, but also a couple of LCDs. I had spare P570WM CPU heat sink and fan, P870DM3 vapor chamber and CPU heat sink and P870DM-G MXM heat sinks, MSI/Eurocom Tornado F5 heat sinks and even a M18xR2 CPU heat sink. All on their way to a landfill, LOL. The only spare parts I kept for laptops is the Precision 7720 that I currently own. I even found the box with spare parts for the stuff I used to make the dual 330W AC adapter box for the M18xR2 this evening. That will be in the trash tomorrow.

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I don't "need" the Redmond Losers anymore. I can take care of myself using superior alternatives. I'm OK with leaving the garbage for the sheeple that let others make all of their decisions for them. Let's just hope Linux developers don't develop an equally severe case of stupid.

I did not know neofetch could be customized. Nice.

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

And here we go again...... The new modern tech trend don't take a break. More crap being produced. @Mr. Fox see the possible fix at the bottom. Not only do you need to cripple the performance with ECC Enabled for Hwbot submissions with 4090's. Now you may see another performance hit with automaticly create screenshoots while the benchmark running. When will we see the utter bottom? 

NVIDIA should have a warning that appears in NVIDIA Control Panel when ECC is enabled to inform the user that enabling ECC may result in unrecoverable damage to the GPU memory. Then neither HWBOT nor UL would need to worry about it or find solutions because nobody with a normal level of intelligence would enable ECC and there would be no 3DMark submissions for HWBOT moderators to have to worry about moderating. UL could continue producing their modern cartoon benchmark crap for the kiddos.

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I don't "need" any of those losers anymore. I can take care of myself using superior alternatives. I'm OK with leaving the garbage for the sheeple that let others make all of their decisions for them. Let's just hope Linux developers don't develop an equally severe case of stupid.

Well, that's kind of nifty. I did not know neofetch could be customized. Nice.

Just now, Reciever said:

When my colleague has some down time he will look into the forums performance, appears to be a huge uptick in traffic but before we figure out countermeasures we want to know where its coming from.

Well, if it is good traffic and marks the start of the accelerating success you deserve for creating this forum that is a happy problem to have to get out in front of.

6 minutes ago, MaxxD said:

 

Thanks!

I would be particularly interested in how much BIOS is protected against the low voltage settings. If you have too little value, can you easily repair it, or do it repair it? 😔

Should be able to clear CMOS to restore BIOS defaults. Maybe @Clamibot or @electrosoft can comment more accurately. As I mentioned, I only had this machine a few months for development work. I never owned it or used it beyond that task. The last performance laptop I owned was P870DM3.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

And here we go again...... The new modern tech trend don't take a break. More crap being produced. @Mr. Fox see the possible fix at the bottom. Not only do you need to cripple the performance with ECC Enabled for Hwbot submissions with 4090's. Now you may see another performance hit with automaticly create screenshoots while the benchmark running. When will we see the utter bottom? 

 

Again.... Is new/newer always better bro @ryan😍 

 

3DMARK STEEL NOMADU sers are annoyed by “bug runs”, UL is considering measures

“Bug runs” are still possible in 3DMark Steel Nomad. This annoys users, but it doesn’t have to stay that way: UL is considering countermeasures.

 

UL Solutions has “some ideas”

ComputerBase asked UL Solutions whether this will change in the future and received an answer. The developer explained that they are currently considering how to deal with the problem. They already have " a few ideas ". However, UL is not yet being more specific.

 

One possibility would be to create screenshots during the benchmark and submit them together with the validated result. In the cloud, UL could then (automatically) compare the screenshots created with reference screenshots. However, this could cost performance and thus have an impact on the result.

 

See also my post on HWBOT forum here... https://community.hwbot.org/topic/234462-3dmark-steel-nomad/?do=findComment&comment=667836

 

See.... The new 3DMark Steel Nomad ( analysis , community benchmark ) is likely to be the leading benchmark for setting gaming-related performance records in the coming years.

 

What a JOKE!

 

 

PS. The sluggy forum performance is now so bad that you almost can't use the forum anymore.

I replied. Let's see if they allow our posts to stand or delete them because they do not permit logical dissent. UL and HWBOT can molest themselves for all I care. They are both becoming irrelevant and worthless. Add them to the list of worthless technology "leaders" along with fecal filth the likes of crApple, Micro$lop, Google and Meta.

https://community.hwbot.org/topic/234462-3dmark-steel-nomad/?do=findComment&comment=667840

I don't "need" any of those losers anymore. I can take care of myself using superior alternatives. I'm OK with leaving the garbage for the sheeple that let others make all of their decisions for them. Let's just hope Linux developers don't develop an equally severe case of stupid.

35 minutes ago, MaxxD said:

 

Hi,

 

The Prema zTecpc X170SM-G BIOS How much user friend and stupid is sure?

If, for example, CPU voltage value is too low, is it easy to repair or do you have to have a lot of fun?

I would like to know that.

I wonder what you say. Thanks! 🙂

Hello. I am not sure what you are asking. I think you are asking if you can adjust CPU voltage in the BIOS with the @Prema firmware and the answer is yes. You can adjust almost everything you could with a desktop BIOS. I cannot answer any questions specific to this laptop because I only had it for development purposes for a few month and that was almost four years ago, so I would not be able to respond with the accuracy anyone's questions would deserve.

On 5/28/2024 at 3:13 AM, Eban said:

 

 

Damn that AI is scary...its like it has a direct line right into my head! No matter what I'm currently thinking of or concentrating on...This AI can so easily distract me, interrupt my thought process and make me wonder what the hell was I just thinking about 

Part of the evil master plan, I'm sure. They use pretty lady pictures to get you to stop long enough to induce the trance. 🤣 The best part is, no lyrics to distract you, LOL.

59 minutes ago, Clamibot said:

@Mr. Fox Would you be ok showing those hardware mods to @Bidelloman if you still have that content?

I was not sure if I still had it or deleted it. It is in this folder on my Google Drive @Bidelloman.

I still have a little bit of mess cleaning up left to do, but about 99% done with remodeling my tiny little hot office. I had a sit-stand desk and two huge (6 feet long) desks in this tiny space and there was no way to rearrange anything. Everything fit together like a puzzle with no opportunity for variation. So, I bought a second sit-stand desk and got rid of one of the 6 foot long desks, then rearranged everything to make better use of the minimal space available. It took me two weekends of farting around to get this done. Next major project will be the closet packed solid from floor to ceiling with boxes and PC parts. I'm going to throw away most of the boxes and most of the parts I have been saving for years "in case" I need them. I think I still have crap left in boxes from the Pentium II era. I think a saw a cooler for one of the slotted edge-connection Pentium II CPUs in one of the boxes, LOL.

I think I mentioned getting an air purifier to see if it helped with the insane amount of desert dust and it does seem to be helping. 

It's nothing super special, but a lot better than it was before.

15 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Well it was accurate 😞 I immediately tore it apart, and found that the screws had come loose on the waterblock. Not getting good contact would create such a hotspot. Took alcohol and cleaned everything up, and put new thermal pads and a fresh coat of mx-6. Hotspot is down to 80c-85c. I had my ch341 out and ready, but can't find a decent guide on the procedure. From what ive read so far, you must flash the standard aqua bios, then upgrade it via asrocks utility. 525w, 3ghz extreme bios.

I also need a refresher course on using the programmer. I last used it trying to unlock a bios on the hp probook I purchased on fleabay.

Glad you got the hotspot sorted. That could have been harmful long term. MX-6 should be better than Arctic Silver as well. Are your boost clocks higher now? I would expect them to be.

For the programmer, the first step is to use the software to scan and identify the vBIOS chip brand and model number. If you do not identify the correct chip things can go wrong. If it does not identify the chip, see if there is a software update for the programmer. You may also need a voltage adapter. What is the voltage of the programmer? If it is higher than the chip limit flashing could fry the vBIOS chip.

Once your programmer identifies the chip, read from it. If all reads well, save it for disaster recovery as a ROM file. Then start flashing. I used to do this all of the time working with Prema. It's actually very easy and fool-proof when your programmer identifies the chip correctly. I bet I did it close to 1,000 times (rough guess). It was A LOT over a period of years.

5 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

You forgot... Both Nvidia and AMD push the gamer developers to optimize next gen games to run harder on current or old graphics cards. Add more features (more bling bling for the eyes) so the games can't reach the targeted FPS for a certain screen resolution. What was okey FPS for 4K will be 14440P. Or reduce the bling so you start hate the game in the prefered screen resolution. Hence people jump on new. Not because they want but because they are forced to do so. 

They are like half sisters, born to a trampy mama with different baby daddies they have never met. More alike than either one will admit, and neither one of them nice girls. Both just as trashy, fast and loose as their evil mama.

33 minutes ago, Papusan said:

At least you can still cross-flash latest gen Nvidia card. Even Nvidia founders Edition with the custom flash-tool. But this won't last long. Nvidia was probably not very happy when some come up with tools where you could flash any vbios from AIB cards on their own FE branded cards.

AMD and NVIDIA both expect their customers to be zombies, just like the products they sell. They know that the more performance enthusiasts can extract from their older products through firmware, the less likely they will be to purchase a new product. They use firmware to fake upgrades by unlocking performance in metered increments and allowing access to the firmware disrupts their ability to successfully complete their scammy scummy hardware drip.

4 hours ago, Raiderman said:

Gpu hotspot looks a little toasty ..lol

I wonder what component is getting that hot and why?

8 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Whoa 111?, that hotspot is one thing holding you back. Even on air, that should at most be in the 80s if done right. On water even with clock pushing low 90s at worse. None of my 7900xtx's I tested (XFX 7900xtx, MSI 7900xtx and now Powercolor 7900xtx)  topped out in the 80s at most.

Yeah, that is going to limit performance for sure. I have never found a satisfactory explanation of this other than "hottest part of a graphics cards" and equally worthless information. The information on hotspot temp is kind of useless if you have no way of know where to focus your attention. It tells you something is wrong, but not what or where.

8 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Unfortunately AMD has really started to adopt Nvidia practices instead of being different which doesn't help them considering they're constantly lagging. 😞

At least with NVIDIA cross-flashing vBIOS from other GPUs still works. It sucks that modded firmware does not. It is really messed up and reprehensible that neither brand allows people that buy their products to do whatever they want to with them. It should be illegal for them to interfere and I wish it was.

4 hours ago, Clamibot said:

Would you say these Windows X Lite builds are better than Windows 10 LTSC 1089?

Yes and no. In terms of being less problematic in the design and execution Windows 10 LTSC1089 is a lot better. In terms of functionality I would say these X builds are better. Your CPU and GPU performance should be better with these newer X builds. Grab another NVMe or SATA SSD and install it right alongside your current OS to compare for yourself. I think you'll be pleased. One of the nice things about having a desktop is you can change your mind without it costing you anything and you don't have to choose one or the other. And you don't have to go back. 

7 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

So I did some research on flashing vbioses on AMD cards. It appears that AMD has locked them down, and in order for me to flash the 3ghz taichi aqua rom, I need to disassemble my card, and flash 2 bioses using a ch341 programmer. (Which I happen to have) Question I have is, would it be worth it? My card boosts to 2750ish, which is as high as I've ever seen it go, even at 3200 in wattman. I'm assuming it's hitting a thermal throttle point, even on liquid. The new bios should remove that correct?

I didn't reply because I could never figure out a way to cross flash the 6900 XT. I didn't think it was possible but I didn't want to mislead you if there's a way you can do it without a programmer.  I'm not sure what generation AMD started blocking firmware flashing. I really hate when companies start playing god like that. It's none of their business. They have no right to interfere but they do it anyway.

Yeah would definitely be worth it. That is a significant overclock no matter what brand you're talking about. It probably going to run hotter though because it's going to require more voltage to run that higher boost clock. As long as you've got some thermal headroom you should be good to go.

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

For those that is tired of dealing vith vanilla Home/Pro version. 

 

Windows 11 LTSC 2024 arrives making TPM and Secure Boot optional — lower storage requirements, too

1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said:

In other words, the only way to get an acceptable version of Windows is to find an ISO that consumers are not supposed to have access to and use that instead of the mainstream trash. This shows us how little respect they have for ordinary people. We already knew that, but it shows us again as a reminder.

Newer is seldom better. And, some things never change. Windows 11 LTSC will be a slightly better version of a product that is worse than the one before it.

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

@Mr. FoxThe way all Windows versions should have worked. Optional options. Microsoft force the gamer-kids and aunt mary Secure boot and whatever. But corps that need more security can do whatever they want. Disgusting?

 

 

Windows 11 LTSC 2024 arrives making TPM and Secure Boot optional — lower storage requirements, too

In other words, the only way to get an acceptable version of Windows is to find an ISO that consumers are not supposed to have access to and use that instead of the mainstream trash. This shows us how little respect they have for ordinary people. We already knew that, but it shows us again as a reminder.

Just now, Mr. Fox said:

  

Newer is seldom better. And, some things never change. Windows 11 LTSC will be a slightly better version of a product that is worse than the one before it.

3 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Expect Microsoft will continue test and change power profiles in windows to fit their new low power ARM processors. It's all about power saving and how long the new junk can run on the battery with a YouTube video in the background. It's all about maxing out battery life. And desktop hardware will get exactly same power settings. Only with minor changes to scheduler for the Intel hybrid Junk.

 

Microsoft announces new Surface Laptop with Snapdragon processors

Sometimes images are more accurate than words, and here is what I think about that. And, them.

3 hours ago, Talon said:

 

I sold an SP99 13900K I had in the closet this morning. I put it in my system last night to ensure it was the SP99 chip, and did a quick test on it. 

 

It scored 43K in CB23? I ran this test multiple times and same results, highest real-time was 43.6K. I was like wtf. I've never scored that high at these power limits with a 420mm AIO and just 5.5Ghz P core stock. Is there some sort of Windows OS cancer that is getting applied to these Intel CPUs that didn't apply to mine? I then tested TimeSpy and score over 27K CPU, again abnormally high for a stock 13900K. 

 

I rebooted and checked power limits and mess with undervolt a tad, and upon reboot the score dropped to 40.6K. I was never able to get the score back, even with undervolt, overclock or power limit changes. 

 

I am now fully convinced Windows is applying some sort of cancer patch to these CPUs and harming performance. Have any of you seen this phenomena? All I did was swap my 14900KS to the 13900K. I sloppily attached the cooler and barely torqued it down as I figured I was just going to verify the SP and pull it. 

 

Run at the same clock speeds, my 13900KS outperforms all of my 14900KF by between 500 and 1000 Cinebench R23 points depending on what kind of Windoze trash OS it is run on. Probably due to more security mitigation filth baked into the newer processors. That seldom has desirable outcomes.

Edit: @Talon if you have the Park Control app, launch it and see how many of your cores are being forced to park. If you are running the latest cancer versions of W10/11, I was experiencing something similar and even using the Park Control utility. Cinebench scores were down. I had to fart around a bit to get Winduhz 11 to leave my CPU alone and stop screwing with it to save power. Really made me mad, so I wiped the drive and downgraded to 22H2 and everything was as it should be, and updates are blocked so it can't poop on it again later. I don't think the asshats responsible for Windoze development could do anything right if their lives depended on it.

I stopped using vanilla cancer Chrome a number of months ago. They've been drinking brown wee wee from the Winduhz 11 cesspool for dummies too much.

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