Mr. Fox

February 15

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Maybe more 4090 users will check their cards now after the 5090 fiasco being put in spotlight. Seems we get a new round with sad pc gamers and melted connectors. The cards can work perfectly fine with melted connectors. Grear times forwards for computer repair-shops.

Even if they do not melt, people worry now about them not being plugged in and damage the wimpy pins pushing in on them too hard to try to avoid melting from a poor connection. The trashiest and most poorly designed, fragile connector available, and it's available exclusively for the most expensive brand of GPUs money can buy.

Defective engineering has its pluses. Places like Northridge Fix, Northwest Repair and KrisFix will never run out of GPUs to fix or videos to share on YouTube. Thanks, NVIDIA. 💩

February 15

14 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Cinebench scores aside (thanks to 16 slower Atom smartphone cores) the more I use both of these systems, the less I can tell them apart. They are so close to one another in most things that it is nearly irrelevant. Too bad the Atom cores can't handle 5.4GHz all-core. That would allow it to soundly beat the 9950X but the 1.0GHz handicap on half the cores and threads tilts the table in favor of 9950X for CPU compute workloads.

Another example using single-core... within a normal margin of error. No clear winner.

13900KS - https://hwbot.org/submission/5612229

Spoiler

9950X - https://hwbot.org/submission/5786799

Spoiler

February 15

5 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

No Frame Generation

Nice it looks like your results suggest my impressions might be right. This might be one of a small number of games that can utilize high core/thread count CPUs.

February 15

9950X vs 14900KS Trading Blows

Frame Generation Enabled

Frame Generation Disabled

2560x1440

3840x2160

Cinebench scores aside (thanks to 16 slower Atom smartphone cores) the more I use both of these systems, the less I can tell them apart. They are so close to one another in most things that it is nearly irrelevant. Too bad the Atom cores can't handle 5.4GHz all-core. That would allow it to soundly beat the 9950X but the 1.0GHz handicap on half the cores and threads tilts the table in favor of 9950X for CPU compute workloads.

February 15

8 hours ago, Papusan said:

Are you in the same bucket bro @Mr. Fox?

Americans are happy with artificial intelligence: 3 in 5 say AI improves their lives

1 in 6 Americans admit that they have become dependent on artificial intelligence in some way and cannot live or do the same without it.

I take comfort in knowing we can count on AI to screw things up for everyone in the world.

It would be interesting to see results from the same survey taken in other major countries.

February 14

5 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

deduplicate list online

What was this for?

February 14

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

Been praying for you brother!

Thank you so much, brother. First round down, one more to go (2/27). ❤️ I'm doing the same for you and yours.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Yup, QC is a main problem with todays tech. It cost money. And that will hurt max profits.

Nvidia have no time for gamers. The profits is all too low. Better use the supply chainfor the real deal... AI for servers.

Nvidia will be ‘late’ with RTX 50 laptop GPUs say supply chain sources

I hope that Roman's videos (and any others like it) totally destroy 50-series GPU sales and eliminates demand to a financially damaging degree for NVIDIA. Probably won't because stupidity (the new standard for normal) usually wins. NVIDIA needs to be burned badly for bringing trashy burning connectors into production.

We (consumers, not you and me per se) have ourselves to thank for high prices and poor quality. When the sheeple buy crappy products and pay too much for them, the crap continues to be sold for more than it is worth. We need to learn to say "no" and really mean it... and mean it enough to be really mean about it.

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29427588/

February 13

36 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

yay, i actually managed to SEE an RTX 5090 IN STOCK and im ABLE TO ADD IT TO THE CART!

One more click and i could actually buy it....

what do u think guys? THE BEST 5090 (FE) AT THE BEST PRICE! LOL 😄

PS: no worries, im not that crazy 😛

If you wanted to do something equally stupid, you could downgrade your 4090 to a 5080 (new unopened) if you buy the one posted on overclock.net marketplace for the ludicrous price of $1800. The seller is legit guy, but it was tough to resist calling it out as scalping. He is probably just trying to get his money back. He probably paid close to that idiot price for it.

February 13

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

Double trouble. Roll the dice and see if it's the PSU or GPU side 12+4 pin connector that start melt first, LOOL

And with the newest 3.1 specs you aren't forced to add the tiny 12V-2x6 connector on the PSU panel. Payback time for stupidity....

This seemingly solved the problem, as the warning light disappeared. However, the display resolution and refresh rate dropped and the graphics card switched to PCIe x3 mode. So, they decided to shut down the PC again and reconnect all cables — this was when they discovered that the GPU’s power connector had melted on the PSU side, with the GPU side remaining unaffected.

And the mods on nvidia reddit forum is so fragile. Paid by nvidia? Lets not talk about melted nvidia cables, LOL

The individual(s) responsible for the introduction of the ludicrous new connector and all of the ridiculous "improved" versions that followed should lose their jobs. The person that gave the final approval for it should also be stripped naked and caned and a video recording of the caning posted to YouTube and on the NVIDIA.com landing page with an apology from Jensen and an offer of the original owner's choice of a full refund of the original purchase price including tax and shipping or a free replacement of all GPUs built using it offering a direct replacement with four 8-pin connectors for 4090 and 4080 Ti, three 8-pin connectors for 4080 and two 8-pin for everything below 4080.

Alternatively, NVIDIA should extend a 10-year no-hassle/no-questions-asked and exclusion-free warranty guaranteeing full refund of the original purchase cost to the original purchaser (including tax and shipping) with proof of purchase, or the MSRP base price of the model in question to anyone that is not the original owner or has no proof of purchase, if the GPU connector melts or any of the pins get bent or broken from seating the connector with sufficient force needed for the latch to engage. There would be no exclusions for end-user modifications or cosmetic blemishes and NVIDIA would reimburse AIBs for the cost of warranty fulfillment plus 20% to cover administrative costs associated with the fulfillment process. This would allow NVIDIA to only incur expenses for GPUs that actually experience a connector failure and have a warranty claim presented within the 10-year window.

Since the 50-series launch has already proven to be a massive failure, they shoud recall all 50-series sold, (which seems to be a very small number globally,) destroy all currently in production and re-launch with only 8-pin connectors. If they want to leave the crappy new connector on the FE card, that's fine because it's the one model that everyone should avoid like a plague anyhow due to its stupid failure-prone design. It's poorly made and absurdly overcomplicated. NVIDIA should cover 100% of the cost of destroying and retooling for all AIB partners to replace the 12VHWPR connectors with 8-pin, plus an additional 20% to help offset lost revenue opportunities caused by the delayed release. If they want to re-use the GPU cores already installed on cards before destroying them, the the cost of the labor to de-solder, transfer and test the repurposed cores should also be reimbursed by NVIDIA.

NVIDIA has enough wealth to cover all of these costs without making a severe dent in their bottom line.

This would also deliver an added bonus of causing extreme financial harm to all scalpers that snatched up gobs of GPUs, which all of them deserve. At best, they would get their money back...eventually... assuming they had verifiable proof of purchase from an authorized seller. At worst, the pallets of GPUs that were obtained from stolen shipments or fenced by unethical distribution channels would result in them getting nothing at all and having nothing to sell but recalled models that the world easily identifies as defective units to be sellable as "parts only" GPUs.

February 13

2 hours ago, Reciever said:

Good Evening All,

Hiew had been lecturing me for some time now to get Unraid since I had so much random hardware laying around and got to say I should have done so sooner. Even bought a license after the trial ended, its been a lot of fun playing with the different docker containers to see what I can get working and for what purposes.

Anyone else dabble in Unraid?

I've never heard of it but I'll have to check it out. Thanks for sharing.

February 13

9 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I was in Queue for 5090 FE 4 or 5 times. I have actually just set up a best Buy bot as of typing this with Auto Verification and Auto Buy. So, I am hoping I can just sit back and buy one now at this point.

There was like 3 different drops I think. I saw the 5090 sell out, and come back in a few times. We are contending with scalpers 97%, and 3% people who want a 5090 to own and use. All of these cards just go right on eBay after someone buys one. Pretty sad.

If I were the god of eBay and Mercari I would ban the sale of anything computer-related that was released to market less than 180 days ago and make it to where nobody could sell anything new within 180 days of launch day, and beyond that only allow selling one GPU per year, per account. Also block prices above MSRP for anything new and sealed, open box capped at MSRP -10%. Kill the scalpers where they stand. Turn the tables and let them find out what it is like to get screwed. Ruin their ability to profit and basically only allow them to sell at a loss. They do not deserve to experience how a free market economy functions because they are exploiting stupid people. Should treat them them same as people that take advantage of mentally handicapped people.

On 2/11/2025 at 8:50 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Hey Bros. Tomorrow morning I have my first brachytherapy procedure, with the second scheduled for 2/27. So, having me in your thoughts and prayers would be cherished.

I appreciate you guys. Thanks for the thoughts and prayers. I'm home now, a little bit bruised and bloody in a place where you don't want that but otherwise doing pretty good. Super tired feeling right now. I am glad I took tomorrow and Friday off LOL. I am the kind of guy that goes from the hospital straight back to work without missing a beating but I don't think so this time. According to the doctors and nurses present for the procedure I missed my calling and should be a stand-up comic because I was making them all laugh with the things I was saying when under anesthesia. The surgeon said that he would have to find out what it was and get some for himself for later. Of course I have no idea what it was because I was anesthetized. And I don't feel like I was having a good time right now.

Sorry I posted twice in a row. I'm laying in bed using my phone and I don't have the ability to merge or cut and paste the entire content from one post another using a smartphone. I'm actually surprised that the Redmond Reprobates allow Winduhz 11 24H2 users to have more functionality than Android and iOS users since they are trying so hard to emulate smartphones.

February 12

Hey Bros. Tomorrow morning I have my first brachytherapy procedure, with the second scheduled for 2/27. So, having me in your thoughts and prayers would be cherished.

February 12

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

if that is the case ill just switch to getting the last gen halo gpu once the new gen launches, i.e. get the 5090 when the 6090 launches 😄

15 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I think you’re right! This will probably be the only way to go. We’ve got to resort to last gen left overs.

If the current pricing of used 4090 and 4080, 3080 and 3080 TI and 3090 and 3090 Ti video cards is an indicator even that approach will ultimately prove to be foolish. The only video cards that can be purchased at a price consistent with the benefit of owning them are the obsolete models that were undesirable the day that they launched because of unimpressive, underwhelming and lackluster levels of performance.

Hopefully AMD will exploit this foolishness with reasonably priced GPUs that are not made for bottom-feeders in terms of performance. These won't even need to be great GPUs. They will only need to be "OK" in order for AMD to walk away from this with a major win. If they milk it the same way on pricing as NVIDIA they will merely become another contributor to the problem by selling grossly overpriced trash that most people don't want.

February 11

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

Today I found a potential solution to your black screening RTX 50-series graphics card problems. Though you're not going to like it

I actually already experience this same glitch with my 4090 GPUs when connected to my 4K 120Hz ASUS display. Sometimes it will even stop booting with the Q-code for display not connected. It never happens with my 1440p 165Hz screens or 144Hz 1080p screens. If I connect a second screen with lower resolution to the same system the 4K monitor will be ignored during POST and display output will go to the 1080p or 1440p screen initially and the 4K screen will not begin working until Windows finishes loading the GPU driver. This is random. It does not happen every time I turn the system on, but often enough that it annoys me. When it first began happening I could not figure out what was going on. I shared this with someone in a thread on overclock.net quite some time ago and it turned out to be their problem as well. It sounds like maybe it could be more common with 5090 than it was with 4090. I tested numerous overpriced display cables and it happens with the cheapest as well as the most expensive high end cables, so that was ruled out.

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

We are all gonna be buying xx70Ti cards in the near future. Nvidia is slowly making the “High End Flag Ship GPU” so expensive that only the rich will be able to buy such a lavish graphics card. Scalpers gladly pay $5,000+ for the 5090 already. And this pushes the mid range GPU’s to $1,000+ range easily. So, in the next 4-5 years, I can see the 6090 or even 7090 ranging from $8,000 to $10,000 plus. This will put it out of reach for 99%. And these high end systems will begin to be only for those with high end wallets. I cannot afford a Ferrari, and I cannot afford a 6090 either, so I’ll probably be buying a 6070 for $1800.

In all honesty, I was thinking about making some T-Shirts and putting the words “Stop the abuse” with a cancel sign over Nvidia. Because we are literally headed down a path where there is no Return.

They’ll be Nvidia dealerships soon where we walk in and put down 20% now and finance the rest for 5-6 years, maybe they sell us a warranty in the finance office since Nvidia builds such shabby products anyways 😂

But yeah, the 4090/5090 will probably be the last hoorah for the avg man.

I think this might be the most botched up NVIDIA product launch ever. They should be the one company least likely to screw up based on market share and revenue. I think they suffer from the same problems that the technology industry as a whole suffers from. (1) they flat-out do not give a rat's ass about the people that buy their products, or the quality of the products they sell to those people, and (2) their goal is to charge as much as idiots will pay while providing as little value and quality as possible in return for what is spent on those products. The fact that they released 50-series with the crappy 12VHPWR (or whatever they have renamed that abortion currently) instead of learning from their mistake and going back to 8-pin is more than ample proof of the reality of #1 above as it relates to NVIDIA.

I am not sure that they are pricing things for the wealthy as much as investigating where consumer capacity for stupdity maxes out. I think a large number of the people buying overpriced computer parts are not wealthy and a lot of them that are buying would not even be able to buy except for their access to revolving credit enabling them to live beyond their means. I suspect that ludicrous pricing of 50-series, and the 40-series GPUs that came before, are a marketing experiment designed to identify the threshold of stupidity for the average consumer to gauge how far they can push the envelope on prices while simultaneously learning how low the quality and performance bar can fall before their overpriced trash stops selling. Pretty much how A$$zeus has operated for a very long time. As long as we keep spreading our cheeks they will continue to financially sodomize us.

February 11

16 hours ago, tps3443 said:

But I’m just using a single Gen 5 cable though, it’s not like yours. Pretty sure @Papusan thinks my GPU will cook.

13 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It is not a given, only issue is doubling your risk by using the inferior and defective baby girl connector on both ends. If one end is going to melt, the lesser of two evils would be melting at the PSU. Subjectively speaking, the PSU end is probably more likely to not be seated properly or not stay securely connected and work loose compared to the GPU end.

31 minutes ago, Meaker said:

TLDR Imbalanced draw from the card.

Defective, idiotic and failure-prone design that never should have seen the light of day. Everyone should be very angry with NVIDIA and blame them for all of the burned 4090 and 5090 graphics cards. This was seldom ever an issue with the legacy 8-pin connectors, and almost never seen unless you were pulling like 1000W through 3x8-pin, and even then very rare. Newer is always ~~better~~ newer. It's not who made the connectors, it's just a crap design no matter how you look at it.

1+1=2. 3x8=24 and 4x8=32. If you run 600W with a 12-pin connector with thin and aesthetically pleasing wires you're going to overheat things versus 24 or 32 wires. The imbeciles that thought this was a good idea had their head up their posterior orifice. NVIDIA doesn't care and won't care until they come under legal assault and lose millions. The 4090 and 5090 should have a minimum of two of these or even better, scrap this stupid crap connector and go back to 3 or 4 8-pin connectors that have served us well since the day they were first introduced.

The winner here will be AMD. Not because they make a better product, because they don't. They will win simply because they were not stupid about this and didn't embrace popular stupidity.

February 11

2 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

I will have to check that. Thanks for the tip. Although it does seem like GPU-Z says Rebar is working. Also its crashing again with a memory management BSOD so I am wondering if use of Gen5 requires more voltage on the rail for mesh overclocking stability...

14 minutes ago, Papusan said:

People with 5090 have problem with PCIe 5.0. Try lower it to gen4.0 and see how it behaves.

Yes that too. Some people that were having black screens and the GPU not detected found the problem resolved by setting Gen4 manually.

Gen5 seems to have too many caveats associated with it and it is an unnecessary technology that really has no practical benefit.

February 10

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

But I’m just using a single Gen 5 cable though, it’s not like yours. Pretty sure @Papusan thinks my GPU will cook.

It is not a given, only issue is doubling your risk by using the inferior and defective baby girl connector on both ends. If one end is going to melt, the lesser of two evils would be melting at the PSU. Subjectively speaking, the PSU end is probably more likely to not be seated properly or not stay securely connected and work loose compared to the GPU end.

1 hour ago, win32asmguy said:

Got the 5090 installed but for some reason the performance seems to be limited. I left the VBIOS switch set to silent but I did not think it would make a major difference. HWInfo64 shows Rebar support inactive too.

http://www.3dmark.com/spy/53194988

I heard on a recent GN video and I think a der8auer video where sometimes the BIOS is getting switched to CSM mode automatically for unexplained reasons. Maybe that is why your resizable bar feature is turned off.

February 10

On 2/8/2025 at 3:39 PM, Mr. Fox said:

There is no royalty in the Land of Turdbooks. Only ~~dictators~~ dick taters.

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Rather they will open up the box if they can smell some smoke. Then it's often too late.

February 10

45 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I think a lot of the Corsair units were sold as 2x8 Pin on the PSU side that went to 12 pin GPU cable. So, technically it’s not a real Gen 5 cable on both ends, if that’s what he was talking about. I personally think just a single Gen 5 cable on both ends will work well. No adapters, no 8 pins.

That is exactly what you do not want, unless you want to replace the PSU and GPU. That is not what defines a Gen 5 PSU. If was probably a year after Gen 5 PSUs came out that the losers with dumb ideas started using that crappy connector on both ends.

February 9

1 minute ago, win32asmguy said:

Yeah somehow I got an old revision Corsair HX1500i that did not include any 12VHPWR cables. So I ended up picking up the separate 12V-2x6 cable they sell for $30.

On another note, is there any reason to get a Power Conditioner + AVR for the system? I am used to running my systems through a UPS with those features but it seems like for high wattage they are only standalone.

If Corsair is selling it for that PSU it should be fine.

No idea on the other question.

February 9

35 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

Hmmm is a Corsair Type 4 12V-2x6 cable safe to used? I dont want to risk destroying such an expensive card. The 4080 Super only draws around 300W so the 5090 will be significantly more power draw.

I think any decent PSU will include a Gen5 GPU cable that is as safe as one of them can ever be given the inherently flawed design. I've got two 4090s and a 3090 Ti that are using the cables that came with my Corsair RM1200x SHIFT, my RM1000e and Thermaltake Toughpower 1650W PSU. I would avoid any PSUs that have the crappy new connector on both ends of the cable. I think that is really stupid. The connectors on my 3090 Ti and both 4090s show no signs of getting hot. They look the same as when they were new. Don't use aftermarket cables and adapters on 12VHPWR connectors (or whatever new name they have invented for the same crappy connector).

20 minutes ago, Papusan said:

I would use cables from the PSU manufacturers or the adapter coming with the graphics cards. I expect easier get an RMA this way of something happens. Avoid 3rd party cables/adapters.

Exactly. 💯 Very simple and sound logic. It's rare today to see sound logic and simple things are almost always better and more reliable than complex things. It's when things get too fancy and/or overly complex that everything starts turning to crap.

36 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

nah nobody would buy that, cuz HOW would their gamerboi friendz distinguish their shiny new 5090 from their previous 4090?!?!?! 😮

That would be perfect. Keep everyone guessing and speculating from the photos.

If the 9070 XT comes close to 4080 and does RT at least as good as 3090 Ti or 4080 and comes in under $700 it will be interesting to see what NVIDIA does with pricing, or if they will remain absurd simply because fanboys will continue paying 5090 scalper prices for 5080 and 4090 GPUs

It's anyone's guess how 9070 XT will turn out. As much as I don't like Radeon cards, it might be the only option that ends up making any sense whatsoever based on price. Being the best and owning the best is always preferrable, except in circumstances when the absence of value becomes impossible to rationalize. Why pay 400% more per FPS when the best doesn't offer a 400% performance increase? Dumb.

February 9

Interesting. Really pushed the 4090 watts. https://nemez.net/projects/gpuperftests/

It is showing 50% of TDP because I am using a 1000W vBIOS.

February 9

Unfortunate how idiotic the design of the 50-series FE cards turned out. Everything is possible, but that doesn't mean anything about it was intelligent. It is nice that Roman is finding solutions to the horribly flawed engineering mess with the 50-series FE GPU design for those that make the mistake of purchasing one. While I don't like the FE design, I do like the design of the waterblock using mostly metal, some real glass and no acrylic or acetal plastics. Once it is all nickel plated it's going to be pretty sharp-looking.

February 9

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Looking at the configs with like for like specs, charging $3k more for the 5090 over the 5080 is savage.

NGREEDIA is probably shafting all board partners for the price of a 5090 chipset and leaving them with an inadequate space for profit margin, so they're probably not able to make and sell a GPU people want for an acceptable price. This smarter ones will build on a PCB for 5090 that is dimensionally identical to their 4090 PCB and re-use the 4090 cooler. Basically a mini product refresh. Wasting time and money to develop anything aesthetically different would be super stupid.

February 8

33 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Yeah I really don’t want to pay a fortune on some last gen stuff. Though I admit RTX 4000 series still feels like current gen lol. 😂 That’s never happened to me before.

That's only because taking steps backward and regression on new product launches was never as common as it is now. It's pretty inexcusable when you stop and think about the amount of gall it takes to expect people to jump on the hype train and pay substantially more for something only because it is new when performance gains are tiny or non-existent, or even a downgrade. Newer is always ~~better~~ newer.

@tps3443 why spend a lot for a turdbook when you could spend the same or less for something a whole lot better. That makes no sense. You could buy this prebuilt with a 5080 and get a complete system for roughly the same price as a 5080 scalper-edition GPU or a crummy turdbook. Then you could drop a different low-cost GPU in it and probably sell it for enough to make the 5080 end up costing you about $500. If you put your 4090 it in you might even make a profit on the sale of it. But, that would be minor GPU downgrade.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1874887-REG/cyberpowerpc_slc11040cpg_gamer_supreme_liquid_cool.html

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