Mr. Fox

Both of my 4090s still look fine and they both have a Thermal Grizzly WireView in the GPU socket. My hope is that if the cables ever melt they will melt into the WireView socket and leave the GPU socket alone. The one in the Ryzen build uses the 12VHPWR cable included with the Corsair PSU and the Apex build uses the 12VHPWR cable included with the Thermaltake Toughpower. The 3090 Ti is also still looking normal and it uses the Corsair PSU 12VHPWR cable connected directly to the GPU. I have no reason to believe that any of them will melt since they have not even though I have pushed close to 700W through the wimpy 12VHPWR connectors on both of the 4090s numerous times, but the possibility is never forgotten or dismissed.

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

Hmmm. The $300 price premium for the oc'd flagship model from Zotac offer less ompa than the cheaper MSRP card from Inno3D. Pay more...Get less. Or maybe the price premium nowadays is more for the bling bling factor? More bling = More expensive? 

 

MSRP card.

 

Paying extra for tacky crap that only kiddos care about is the way things are done now. What matters most no longer matters. Remember, these are the same bozos that think that dumb-looking cartoon character action hero and stupid Pokemon figurines perched on their GPU or on top of the case are what make their computer something special. I actually prefer the muted appearance of cards like this one and the ASUS TUF over the garish gamer trash.

13 hours ago, Papusan said:

AMD don't price their own cards themself. They use Nvidia's prices for own graphics cards. That's disgusting. 

 

And for the records... They know everything about Nvidia's performance estimates for each new tier cards long before they are even mentioned in leaks. We saw that clearly  when we saw what they said about 4080 performance for their top tier cards. 

Maybe not when it first goes to market, but after a short time it is ultimately the people purchasing products that determine the price. If everyone accepts ludicrous prices they remain indefinitely ludicrous. When enough people say no and walk away from overpriced products, that is when we identify what those objects are truly worth. The value of any product is defined by how much people will pay for that product. How much it cost to produce and how much or little profit (or loss) is derived from the sale of it ultimately does not matter. The defining moment is at the cash register. When idiots are in the majority and common sense becomes a derrogatory adjective rather than a compliment, we see things like current 4090 and 5090 scalper prices become the new normal at the cash register.

 

So, ultimately we have only to thank the man in the mirror and the legions of similarly unintelligent people surrounding us. Saying no to impulsive desires is not that difficult, but most people are not willing to exercise good judgment or self-restraint when it feels too good for them to stroke whatever monkey tickles them most.

 

What would be really wonderful would be seeing repeated product launch failures and collapse of sales of new-to-market products because of overly-aggressive predator pricing. Manufacturers should be put in a position of having to actually go to the effort of identifying ways to sell enough volume of modestly profitable products to keep the lights on and stay in the black. That's is what needs to happen and what would be for the ultimate good of everyone, but it will likely never happen. Good things happen to bad people but good things never happen to idiots that facilitate and contribute to their own self-destruction.

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

We saw a tale of two cities with AMD.

 

During Ampere/Crypto, we saw a card that had raster almost on the level of the 3090 AND demand that was so insane AMD couldn't keep them in stock either and their market share rose and shook Nvidia.

 

Ada era they lost out on performance, RT and the market wasn't as hungry and when given a choice, buyers flocked to Nvidia and their marketshare dropped noticeably.

 

Now? They are losing even more and potentially pricing even worse and they just don't have the mind space of gamers like Nvidia. They have had the opportunity twice now to really price their cards competitively to make in roads but it looks like they are again content to not really attack the low and mid like Intel is doing atm.

 

I was hoping AMD focused on the mid market and really came out with a banger of a card priced insanely competitively.

 

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Then of course we now have Nvidia ramping up production of the 5090 so hopefully scalpers get zinged and buyers can get cards but the initial MSRP pricing is gone now and I'm afraid cards will remain priced as they are even purchased at MSRP:

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-gb202-gpu-supply-for-rtx-5090-set-to-increase-retailer-has-147-rtx-5080-cards-but-not-selling-them-separately

The availability problem being solved will only matter for those willing to be screwed unless prices fall to what 40-series video card already poor value MSRP was. Otherwise the juice is not worth the squeeze and you're still getting screwed. Anything above $1000 for 5080 or $1800 for 5090 and you're screwing yourself and everyone else that you don't care about. The only winner is the seller that you allowed to screw you in the butt with no lube.

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Anybody who paid the prices asked for 5080s and 5090s....whew.....that's gonna hurt just to be first.

I really hope so. It needs to hurt severely. Bad behavior and stupid decisions need to carry brutal consequences for the person acting them out. The attitude that I want what I want when I want it and don't care how much it costs or how the willingness to overpay harms everyone else in the process deserves to end in tragedy and burn a never-forgotten painful lesson into brains of those that found no ability to exercise self-control or sound judgement that they carry to their grave. It would be good lesson for every 5090 owner that fought to be first to find out everyone else is paying $800-$1000 less than you did. If you camped on the sidewalk then it just sucks even more to be you, because you were an even dumber dumba$$.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Disgusting seeing AMD try match equal Sku price point from Nvidia. This won't go well. There aint enough AMD fanboys to defend this stupid move (if correct) from AMD. 

If it doesn't handle ray tracing well it would not be worth purchasing at any price unless it is priced below Arc B850. It is hard to forgive and excuse a GPU released in 2025 that still sucks at ray tracing. Hopefully it will not because we need them to have at least one horse in the race to keep NGREEDIA from becoming even more insane than they already are.

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

If the newest pricing drops are true, then the 9070xt is coming in at $749.99 and matching the 5070ti.

 

Now what remains to be seen is how it performs against it once we get some real reviews.

 

If those are Amazon prices, then I expect they will be at least $125 to $250 more (higher for the not "sold and shipped by" marketplace scalper scum) than prices from respectable retailers like Microcenter, B&H Photo, Best Buy, Provantage, etc. and the somewhat-respectable (non-Marketplace scalper scum) online retailers like NewEgg.

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

That is at least $250 more than it's worth if it can't beat a 3090 Ti or 7900 XTX and $350 too much if it runs like a 4070 TI Super. If it performs below 4070 Ti Super then just skip it and buy an Arc B850 instead. Remember, it's going to have missing or inferior features and suck at ray tracing.

 

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

It will have to flat out seriously outpace a 5070ti to be viable at that price and the RT uplift has to be as meaningful or it is DOA at $849.

It will need to be around 30% less expensive than the closest competing GPU from NVIDIA before I could view it as a good option. But, there will be lots of fanboys buying it regardless of whether or not it's a strong GPU or priced to value. The lousy drivers and poor ray tracing and insane hotspot temps are minor sacrifices for fanboys. Scalpers are marking up the Arc B850 $100-150 and those are selling for about what I'm thinking the 9070 XT should be worth. But, I'm going to wait on passing final judgment until it finds its way into the hands of end users that know how things should work to put it through the paces. The 9950X was better than I expected it to be, and a lot better than most the YouTube influencer idiots said it was. The difference being it doesn't suck for me because I don't use PBO. But they (the YouTube Clown Posse) do, so of course it sucked compared to an LGA-1700 i9 KS CPU.

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I think It’s gonna survive really well considering what it’s up against.

I believe it will be a success for a few reasons. NVIDIA is better and probably always will be. But...

• Haters are gonna hate, and there's much for haters to hate about NVIDIA
• Fanboys don't care if it's good or not as long as fits their anti-NVIDIA agenda they'll buy it
• Everything sold in the NVIDIA brand is a poor value and grossly overpriced (all ends of the spectrum)
• It uses legacy 8-pin PCIe connectors instead of the new feces connector (I knew that the fragile and crappy 12VHPWR connectors would suck the first time I saw it, before the first one was ever reported to have melted)

If it runs well enough and is priced consistent with how it performs (25-35% below the closest NVIDIA GPU) I would pause to considder it, even though I've never liked any Radeon card that I have owned (so far). We will find out soon enough if there is anything to care about.

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

9070XT $849 (Buy Now In-Stock)

That is at least $250 more than it's worth if it can't beat a 3090 Ti or 7900 XTX and $350 too much if it runs like a 4070 TI Super. If it performs below 4070 Ti Super then just skip it and buy an Arc B850 instead. Remember, it's going to have missing or inferior features and suck at ray tracing.

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

The PC Hobby just isn’t as cool as it once was. 

It certainly is not. I'm getting close to not even wanting to be part of it anymore.

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Microsoft removes Windows 11 24H2 official support on 8th 9th 10th Gen Intel CPUs

Sayan Sen · 9 hours ago

Microsoft has finally added the official CPU support list for Windows 11 version 24H2, and the company has strangely removed several Intel processors from it.

 

I bet it is hard working for a company that produces the trashiest, most defective and bloated malware version of Windows ever produced. Everyone would know that the OS that your employer (and ultimately you as an employee) produces sucks at almost everything other than being a virus that steals your personal information. And, if that were not already bad enough it even looks like garbage besides functioning like garbage. It is sad to think that people involved in the development of it might even be dumb enough to believe that they are doing something they should be proud of.  They should feel ashamed and don't even know it.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

With such price point I can't see a future for this card. Aka DOA before launch.

 

XFX Radeon RX 9070 XT OC listed for $849 on Amazon, confirms RDNA 4 release for March 6

 

If it performs about like a 3090 Ti or 4080 it will be worth that, but it certainly seems like a stupid price based on leaks we have seen.  Amazon almost never sells GPUs at correct prices. They are GPU scalpers. If it comes in under $700 I might consider getting one if it performs like a 3090 Ti or 4080. But, we really don't know much and I am not expecting it to be an impressive product apart from having 8-pin connectors.

 

 

Trailer Swift probably doesn't like this. Good. 🤣

 

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Maybe more 4090 users will check their cards now after the 5090 fiasco being put in spotlight. Seems we get a new round with sad pc gamers and melted connectors. The cards can work perfectly fine with melted connectors. Grear times forwards for computer repair-shops. 

 

 

Even if they do not melt, people worry now about them not being plugged in and damage the wimpy pins pushing in on them too hard to try to avoid melting from a poor connection. The trashiest and most poorly designed, fragile connector available, and it's available exclusively for the most expensive brand of GPUs money can buy.

 

Defective engineering has its pluses. Places like Northridge Fix, Northwest Repair and KrisFix will never run out of GPUs to fix or videos to share on YouTube. Thanks, NVIDIA. 💩

 

14 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Cinebench scores aside (thanks to 16 slower Atom smartphone cores) the more I use both of these systems, the less I can tell them apart. They are so close to one another in most things that it is nearly irrelevant.  Too bad the Atom cores can't handle 5.4GHz all-core. That would allow it to soundly beat the 9950X but the 1.0GHz handicap on half the cores and threads tilts the table in favor of 9950X for CPU compute workloads.

Another example using single-core... within a normal margin of error. No clear winner.

13900KS - https://hwbot.org/submission/5612229

9950X - https://hwbot.org/submission/5786799

 

5 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

No Frame Generation

 

Nice it looks like your results suggest my impressions might be right. This might be one of a small number of games that can utilize high core/thread count CPUs.

9950X vs 14900KS Trading Blows

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Frame Generation Disabled

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3840x2160

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Cinebench scores aside (thanks to 16 slower Atom smartphone cores) the more I use both of these systems, the less I can tell them apart. They are so close to one another in most things that it is nearly irrelevant.  Too bad the Atom cores can't handle 5.4GHz all-core. That would allow it to soundly beat the 9950X but the 1.0GHz handicap on half the cores and threads tilts the table in favor of 9950X for CPU compute workloads.

8 hours ago, Papusan said:

Are you in the same bucket bro @Mr. Fox?

Americans are happy with artificial intelligence: 3 in 5 say AI improves their lives

1 in 6 Americans admit that they have become dependent on artificial intelligence in some way and cannot live or do the same without it. 

I take comfort in knowing we can count on AI to screw things up for everyone in the world.

 

It would be interesting to see results from the same survey taken in other major countries.

5 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

deduplicate list online

What was this for? 

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

Been praying for you brother!

Thank you so much, brother. First round down, one more to go (2/27). ❤️ I'm doing the same for you and yours.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Yup, QC is a main problem with todays tech. It cost money. And  that will hurt max profits. 

 

 

 

Nvidia have no time for gamers. The profits is all too low. Better use the supply chainfor the real deal... AI for servers. 

Nvidia will be ‘late’ with RTX 50 laptop GPUs say supply chain sources

 

 

I hope that Roman's videos (and any others like it) totally destroy 50-series GPU sales and eliminates demand to a financially damaging degree for NVIDIA. Probably won't because stupidity (the new standard for normal) usually wins. NVIDIA needs to be burned badly for bringing trashy burning connectors into production.

 

We (consumers, not you and me per se) have ourselves to thank for high prices and poor quality. When the sheeple buy crappy products and pay too much for them, the crap continues to be sold for more than it is worth. We need to learn to say "no" and really mean it... and mean it enough to be really mean about it.

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29427588/

36 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

yay, i actually managed to SEE an RTX 5090 IN STOCK and im ABLE TO ADD IT TO THE CART!

 

One more click and i could actually buy it....

 

 

what do u think guys? THE BEST 5090 (FE) AT THE BEST PRICE! LOL 😄 

 

PS: no worries, im not that crazy 😛 

If you wanted to do something equally stupid, you could downgrade your 4090 to a 5080 (new unopened) if you buy the one posted on overclock.net marketplace for the ludicrous price of $1800. The seller is legit guy, but it was tough to resist calling it out as scalping. He is probably just trying to get his money back. He probably paid close to that idiot price for it.

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

Double trouble. Roll the dice and see if it's the PSU or GPU side 12+4 pin connector that start melt first,  LOOL

 

And with the newest 3.1 specs you aren't forced to add the tiny 12V-2x6 connector on the PSU panel. Payback time for stupidity....

 

This seemingly solved the problem, as the warning light disappeared. However, the display resolution and refresh rate dropped and the graphics card switched to PCIe x3 mode. So, they decided to shut down the PC again and reconnect all cables — this was when they discovered that the GPU’s power connector had melted on the PSU side, with the GPU side remaining unaffected.

 

And the mods on nvidia reddit forum is so fragile. Paid by nvidia? Lets not talk about melted nvidia cables, LOL

 

The individual(s) responsible for the introduction of the ludicrous new connector and all of the ridiculous "improved" versions that followed should lose their jobs. The person that gave the final approval for it should also be stripped naked and caned and a video recording of the caning posted to YouTube and on the NVIDIA.com landing page with an apology from Jensen and an offer of the original owner's choice of a full refund of the original purchase price including tax and shipping or a free replacement of all GPUs built using it offering a direct replacement with four 8-pin connectors for 4090 and 4080 Ti, three 8-pin connectors for 4080 and two 8-pin for everything below 4080.

 

Alternatively, NVIDIA should extend a 10-year no-hassle/no-questions-asked and exclusion-free warranty guaranteeing full refund of the original purchase cost to the original purchaser (including tax and shipping) with proof of purchase, or the MSRP base price of the model in question to anyone that is not the original owner or has no proof of purchase, if the GPU connector melts or any of the pins get bent or broken from seating the connector with sufficient force needed for the latch to engage. There would be no exclusions for end-user modifications or cosmetic blemishes and NVIDIA would reimburse AIBs for the cost of warranty fulfillment plus 20% to cover administrative costs associated with the fulfillment process. This would allow NVIDIA to only incur expenses for GPUs that actually experience a connector failure and have a warranty claim presented within the 10-year window.

 

Since the 50-series launch has already proven to be a massive failure, they shoud recall all 50-series sold, (which seems to be a very small number globally,) destroy all currently in production and re-launch with only 8-pin connectors. If they want to leave the crappy new connector on the FE card, that's fine because it's the one model that everyone should avoid like a plague anyhow due to its stupid failure-prone design. It's poorly made and absurdly overcomplicated. NVIDIA should cover 100% of the cost of destroying and retooling for all AIB partners to replace the 12VHWPR connectors with 8-pin, plus an additional 20% to help offset lost revenue opportunities caused by the delayed release. If they want to re-use the GPU cores already installed on cards before destroying them, the the cost of the labor to de-solder, transfer and test the repurposed cores should also be reimbursed by NVIDIA.

 

NVIDIA has enough wealth to cover all of these costs without making a severe dent in their bottom line.

 

This would also deliver an added bonus of causing extreme financial harm to all scalpers that snatched up gobs of GPUs, which all of them deserve. At best, they would get their money back...eventually... assuming they had verifiable proof of purchase from an authorized seller. At worst, the pallets of GPUs that were obtained from stolen shipments or fenced by unethical distribution channels would result in them getting nothing at all and having nothing to sell but recalled models that the world easily identifies as defective units to be sellable as "parts only" GPUs.

2 hours ago, Reciever said:

Good Evening All, 

 

Hiew had been lecturing me for some time now to get Unraid since I had so much random hardware laying around and got to say I should have done so sooner. Even bought a license after the trial ended, its been a lot of fun playing with the different docker containers to see what I can get working and for what purposes.

 

Anyone else dabble in Unraid? 

I've never heard of it but I'll have to check it out. Thanks for sharing.

9 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I was in Queue for 5090 FE 4 or 5 times. I have actually just set up a best Buy bot as of typing this with Auto Verification and Auto Buy. So, I am hoping I can just sit back and buy one now at this point.

There was like 3 different drops I think. I saw the 5090 sell out, and come back in a few times. We are contending with scalpers 97%, and 3% people who want a 5090 to own and use. All of these cards just go right on eBay after someone buys one. Pretty sad. 

If I were the god of eBay and Mercari I would ban the sale of anything computer-related that was released to market less than 180 days ago and make it to where nobody could sell anything new within 180 days of launch day, and beyond that only allow selling one GPU per year, per account. Also block prices above MSRP for anything new and sealed, open box capped at MSRP -10%. Kill the  scalpers where they stand. Turn the tables and let them find out what it is like to get screwed. Ruin their ability to profit and basically only allow them to sell at a loss. They do not deserve to experience how a free market economy functions because they are exploiting stupid people. Should treat them them same as people that take advantage of mentally handicapped people.

 

On 2/11/2025 at 8:50 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Hey Bros. Tomorrow morning I have my first brachytherapy procedure, with the second scheduled for 2/27. So, having me in your thoughts and prayers would be cherished. 

 

 

 

I appreciate you guys. Thanks for the thoughts and prayers. I'm home now, a little bit bruised and bloody in a place where you don't want that but otherwise doing pretty good. Super tired feeling right now. I am glad I took tomorrow and Friday off LOL. I am the kind of guy that goes from the hospital straight back to work without missing a beating but I don't think so this time. According to the doctors and nurses present for the procedure I missed my calling and should be a stand-up comic because I was making them all laugh with the things I was saying when under anesthesia. The surgeon said that he would have to find out what it was and get some for himself for later. Of course I have no idea what it was because I was anesthetized. And I don't feel like I was having a good time right now. 

 

Sorry I posted twice in a row. I'm laying in bed using my phone and I don't have the ability to merge or cut and paste the entire content from one post another using a smartphone. I'm actually surprised that the Redmond Reprobates allow Winduhz 11 24H2 users to have more functionality than Android and iOS users since they are trying so hard to emulate smartphones.

Hey Bros. Tomorrow morning I have my first brachytherapy procedure, with the second scheduled for 2/27. So, having me in your thoughts and prayers would be cherished. 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

 

if that is the case ill just switch to getting the last gen halo gpu once the new gen launches, i.e. get the 5090 when the 6090 launches 😄 

15 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I think you’re right! This will probably be the only way to go. We’ve got to resort to last gen left overs. 

If the current pricing of used 4090 and 4080, 3080 and 3080 TI and 3090 and 3090 Ti video cards is an indicator even that approach will ultimately prove to be foolish. The only video cards that can be purchased at a price consistent with the benefit of owning them are the obsolete models that were undesirable the day that they launched because of unimpressive, underwhelming and lackluster levels of performance.

 

Hopefully AMD will exploit this foolishness with reasonably priced GPUs that are not made for bottom-feeders in terms of performance. These won't even need to be great GPUs. They will only need to be "OK" in order for AMD to walk away from this with a major win. If they milk it the same way on pricing as NVIDIA they will merely become another contributor to the problem by selling grossly overpriced trash that most people don't want.