Mr. Fox

Dufus is right again. I wonder if NVIDIA designed the 5090 FE in such an absurd manner deliberately so PC enthusiasts and gamers would avoid the FE?

No it doesn't. All you have to do is open your eyes and look at the mess you have in UK. I'll take this, warts and all, over that. I am not talking about the feminist "me too" movement that suggests any accusation made against a man by a woman should automatically be accepted as fact on face value. I am using "me too" to mean the silly notion that anyone that wants a platform is entitled to have one regardless of whether or not is it embraced as socially acceptable or rejected. Rival political parties are not "competition" and smart people work together to get things done. Division is not smart and nothing good gets done when niche locos become obsessed with their own interests and act as though they are hell-bent on ramming their agenda down everyone else's (usually the majority) throat. If the new parties brought massively popular ideas with broad support they would succeed. The reason they don't succeed is because they are usually small minority goofballs with loads of self-serving bad ideas that don't have enough support and don't need/deserve to have any place in governing the huge majority that doesn't accept their views. They need to fall in line and understand that they are a minority with ideas and values that are not acceptable to the majority. Not saying they can't have them just saying they can't have a platform to push universal acceptance, forced embracement or a demand for tolerance. For the record, both parties do not suck big-time. Extremists do suck, but those are the clowns that would fragment society with PR cells and expect a level playing field with equal weight for the lunatic fringe. Republicans and Democrats are all Americans and have more in common than what they disagree on. It is the extremists on both sides that are the problem. Extreme left un-American nutjobs on the Democrat side are exactly how and why Trump had such a sound victory. They do not represent what is normal for Democrat, Republican or American as a whole. They are psychotic. Smart people are paying attention and are fed up with the nonsense that has become the new normal on the whacky far left. Moderate Democrats (the huge majority of that party) don't want anything to do with the insane minority that has been allowed to hijack their party. Moderates represent the bulk of both parties. Trump is more moderate than I would like him to be, but that is why he got elected, with the help of Democrats, Republicans, Green Partiers, Libertarians and Tea Party. People are fed up with the idiocy and broke from party lines to elect someone they hope can right the ship like he did before. Tons of stuff got effed up in record-setting time during the past 4 years under the rule of lunatics. He is hated by the "progressive" extreme left because he represents what is normal, right and acceptable. They're losing their minds over the fact that Americans as a whole have rejected their dystopian quest to "fundamentally transform" America (into a third-world hell hole).

I'm glad we don't have that here and I hope we never do. The UK way of governing is undesirable and that is why America exists. The pilgrims left because it sucked. The more our government takes on traits that resemble that the worse things get. The "me too" mentality and expecting to gain public acceptance of individual preferences no matter what they are is really effed up. In fact, that anything goes, I'm OK/you're OK mentality is a fast track to self-destruction. Some things are not okay and we need to call the balls and strikes. People that don't like it can leave. Especially those that are here uninvited and without proper authority. They are trespassers that shouldn't have a voice in anything. They need to go home, or get rounded up and sent home. The days of tiny special interests demanding to be embraced and celebrated, or even financially funded in some ways, by everyone needs to end. That is, in great part, why things are so jacked up.

Lots of money for something that will be obsolete in a very short time, or displaced by a same-generation surprise SKU that suddenly moves your flagship GPU into the second fiddle chair. Not cool. Stepping up to pay for the best only to end up owning second best is no bueno. Maybe someday if Microcenter opens a Phoenix location where I can take back what I bought and apply the purchase price to an alternative.

LoL, I was thinking something similar but less humorous. Not only "no" but "heck no" ...putrid. NewEgg is now only offering $1350 for 4090 trade-ins and I don't think you can use trade-in to have in-store credit to use later. It has to be tied to a GPU purchase (literal trade-in) and the funds applied much like a post-sale partial refund or rebate after they receive and validate your trade-in. So, the idea of having the cash to pay for a X870E Apex from the previous trade-in credit doesn't look like it will work. As soon as 5090 releases I bet they will be offering only $800 or $1,000 trade-in value for a 4090.

Yeah, I can't wait to sell a 4090 at a loss and drop $2000+ (probably $2500-$3000 for A$$zeus) on a small upgrade. Sign me up. NOT.

Thanks. I think it was a great buy at $142 before tax. Plus, I have not owned a 1080 desktop GPU before, so I will get a few hardware points out of it. I'm thinking this would be a good candidate for the PTM7950 pad (rather than thermal paste) that I haven't used up yet. I think I already have all of the thermal pads needed as well. I installed the RX 590 in the computer I gave to my daughter's family and both of my teenage grand daughters are super happy. They are binge-playing DOOM, Fallout 4, Fortnight and Wolfenstein New Colossus. It was an affordable (under $100) upgrade to the Titan that was struggling to keep up. They actually could not even play Fallout 4 or Fortnight with the Titan Black due to low framerates and those games exiting to the desktop randomly. Now I need to decide if I want to sell the Gigabyte 4090 and use the 3090 Ti FTW3 in place of it or just have a spare GPU available if I need one. The Strix 1080 would be a great spare GPU to have handy if needed after it is repasted.

I got the GTX 1080 Strix. Works fine but BADLY in need of repaste. The original warranty sticker is still on the GPU screw so it is all original. It breached 100°C in less than 1 minute of Dyling Light and about 15 seconds in Fire Strike.

Whether the numbers support it or not, boasting that a third-fiddle product (5070) matches the performance of the prior generation flagship halo product (4090) is pretty silly. There would be no point in purchasing a 5070 to replace a 4090 for multiple reasons, but the most obvious one is you are wasting money and gaining nothing. Only a 5090 purchase makes sense if you own a 4090. 5080 would be a waste of money as well. Tiny improvement--probably not even enough to care about--for a lot of money. It seems pretty obvious that NVIDIA thinks most of their customers are stupid. And, a lot of them probably are.

Even a 3090 Ti sells for $750 or more still. That is ludicrous. That is tempting. You could get more for it on a private sale, but that is only like $150 less than what I paid for my Gigabyte 4090. I might have to look into that even though I was not planning to buy a 5090 unless there is a K|NGP|N offering. Although, I probably would not expect to find one for sale at NewEgg if one is released, and if so it would probably sell out in 30 seconds. I might end up with a credit that I can't use for the intended purpose. I wish there was a cash-out option. Maybe if I were lucky I could use the credit to purchase a X870E Crosshair Apex. That will probably also sell out instantly. I don't need more than a 3090 Ti for the kind of gaming I do. I am almost exclusively a FPS single-player campaign gamer, and it is not often enough (less than 4 hours a month) to justify the expense involved. I could use the Strix 1080 in my SFF work computer and the 3090 Ti in my Ryzen rig. There is minimal incentive to purchase a GPU for benching at this point because GPUs generally don't overclock worth a damn, and then HWBOT comes up with stupid rules like having to enable ECC. I'm like... "yeah, no thanks" because it's all for fun and if the fun is gone it no longer matters. At least 3090 Ti has Windows 7 driver support, and that still matters to me... a lot. There are some CPU-heavy benchmarks that can only produce good results using Windows 7. Failure/poor results are unavoidable on some of those benchmarks using Windows 10/11 because they are sucky OSes that are burdened by worthless bloat and littered with digital trash.

It is actually humorous that I almost made a comment that exactly that would happen and I changed my mind because it is logical speculation and I did not want to seem overly negative. I am actually surprised it hasn't already happened. It would likely have a similar effect to using NVIDIA Inspector for the LOD mod.

I can't say that playing a game has ever once overloaded my system memory or caused a "severe slowdown" but maybe they meant to say graphics memory. Regardless whether someone takes a position that "fake frames" are bad or beneficial, there is no escaping the benefit DLSS offers if it can make a gaming experience better for a weak GPU that wouldn't play well without the added help. I could see it saving some people of the necessity and cost of a GPU upgrade.

It usually works out fine for me. I seldom vote for a candidate that I wouldn't want to win an election. It's rare that I think both are tragic options. I'm not a middle-ground type of person so it's probably different for me. With the minority party candidates I find they are often a cocktail of good and bad things from both sides and they've got enough bad ideas I wouldn't consider casting a vote for them for fear of the damage they might cause if elected. We do have a multi-party system here. There are elected politicians that are neither Republican nor Democrat. You don't see them in office often because most of the time they do not have enough support to justify having their name on the ballot. Once in a while a Green Party or Libertarian candidate gets elected.

While I like the concept and agree with the idea, in practical application there is also a downside to having more than two parties as well. The small niche party siphons votes away from the party that would have won an election and sometimes it can allow the wrong/worst candidate to win an election due to people wasting a vote on a candidate that has a snowball's chance in hell of winning. There are no perfect candidates, but the lesser of evils is usually not hard to identify.

Well, the Carbon is on its way back for a refund and the Gene is ready for business. I don't know much about Ryzen SP ratings, but I think this might be fairly average. It's really too bad this CPU can't boot with 2200 FCLK. Maxes out at 2167. God-bin Ryzen CPUs must be very rare or nobody is binning Ryzen CPUs, keeping the best one and selling the "almost as awesome" leftovers like the Intel enthusiasts do. Based on the frequency evident in screenshots, it seems like 2200+ FCLK is either a lot less stressful or challenging for a single CCD processor with half as many cores/threads. Which would seem logical as well.

Sorry to hear your mama wasn't well. I pray that she gets back on her feet swiftly if she hasn't already. If Vince's deal goes through with PNY and they release a K|NGP|N card I will probably buy one if for no other reason than to show support for Vince. I suspect the powers-that-be at the BOT will mandate turning on ECC and ruining benchmark scores for everyone outside the inner circle, so it will be purely for vanity and for Vince if I do. Brother @Papusan has had the right idea all along for benching. (I know it was you're idea, but he's gone wild with it, LOL.) Just buy old crap GPUs and bench the snot out of them and take all of the gold away from those who once held high scores with now antique motherboards, CPUs and memory. No need to worry about them taking it back because most of them don't own those old GPUs anymore. Keep what you kill.

This might be relevant to X3D stutters, chunks and dips. We get used to running monitoring software like MSI AB and HWiNFO64 and sometimes forget about things we already knew. Need to disable power monitoring in AB if enabled. Maybe the lower X3D core count contributes to it.

It's nice to see that ExtremeHW is not going to shut down. A couple of existing forum members took it over right before it was about to go offline. https://extremehw.net/topic/3960-new-site-owners/

12 P-cores (if they overclock well) with hyperthreading might be a 14900KS upgrade. But, 14 or 16 hyperthreaded P-cores would have been even better. https://www.techpowerup.com/331041/intel-bartlett-lake-appears-as-a-p-e-core-hybrid-p-core-only-cpus-could-soon-follow The X870E Carbon is all boxed up and label affixed to head back for refund. X670E Gene mysteriously went from today originally, to Friday with no tracking updates or movement of the package for 4 days, to sudddenly at my local post office and out for delivery today. Weird.

I cannot remember now who said it, maybe it was @chew or @domdtxdissar, but I think I can remember something about some of the ROG Crosshair boards not liking certain SKUs of the G.SKILL memory kits. The G.SKILL 8000 48GB memory kit that I tried on the X870E Carbon didn't want to boot with BIOS defaults for some reason. The TG Xtreem 8200 48GB kit never had any trouble booting with defaults, XMP or custom timings.

In typical ASUS style, the Astral name will likely be an accurate reflection of the price. Performance will be a secondary consideration as it has been with most Strix products.

Very sad to see such devastating losses. Nice job to all of the woke CA "leaders" that made this tragedy possible. Their DEI focus and defunding efforts made all the difference. I love Mexico, too. It is a beautiful country and an amazing culture, with many lovely people. The current state of affairs offers us a glmpse into how much damage can be expected when corrupt government and organized crime are allowed to grow unchecked, like a cancer spreading and only becoming evident to its victim when it can no longer be contained. It is tragic how all of that affects the good, God-fearing and hard-working families that live there. If we don't learn from it and take aggressive active steps to avoid it, we will end up with the same horrible mess in the US.

One of the most positive things I can find to say about the X870E Carbon is that it doesn't suck as bad as the X870E Taichi. It's certainly not the worst motherboard I have ever owned. I haven't had MSI motherboards kill multiple CPUs (so far) like ASUS. But, it feels like their efforts are kind of half-assed and it seems pretty evident that their firmware team doesn't know what they are doing. Other than the HydroCopper, I don't really care for how most factory waterblocks are made or how they look. Most are very garish and tacky-looking. I'd rather go with aftermarket personally. Having the stock air cooler will make the card easier to sell when you are done with it. Waterblocked GPUs are hard to sell because the market/interest level in water cooling is low and a general lack of technical knowledge and skill among most gamers. The design of the 5090 FE is unacceptable and I hope the AIBs refuse to follow that model. I would avoid buying a piece of crap made like the 5090 FE. Don't hold your breath about repairs. Being modular doesn't mean any of us would be able to buy any of the parts. All it would do it help the Green Gobin cut down on RMA/warranty repair costs and further maximize their bottom line. They wouldn't be repairing anything, just swapping out any small parts if they fail. We can be confident that NVIDIA is doing only what best serves the interest of NVIDIA, not what is best for the dumb-dumbs that buy their goofy video cards and not because it is a smart idea for end users. First it was the 12VHPWR abortion, now a modular GPU nightmare. That video from Steve is one of his best parodies of how obnoxious, absurd and deliberately misleading the tech industry has become. His use of sarcasm was masterful if not tongue-in-cheek. The reason all of the marketing mumbo-jumbo and lies are so effective is becase so many of the people buying the products are Kool-Aid drinkers that are about as dumb as a box of rocks. If PNY gives Vince as much latitude and autonomy to do things right that EVGA did, PNY K|INGP|N cards might end up being the only option worth buying. Quite a paradigm shift and potentially a path to market domination for PNY. Totally absurd design... Very sad to see such devastating losses. Nice job to all of the woke CA "leaders" that made this tragedy possible. Their DEI focus and defunding efforts made all the difference.

Reasonable compared to what? Compared to how bad they could screw us if they decided to? There is absolutely nothing reasonable about $2000+ for a GPU. Period. It's retarded. We're getting effed over because they know they can. We are partly to blame because we've continued allowing juvenile passions to drive poor judgment as consumers. The days where we could identify value and reasonableness are pretty much gone. I do not believe it will ever be good again. We should expect that getting screwed over real bad is normal, and ASUS and NVIDIA are our biggest abusers. You have to decide how much abuse you are willing to tolerate to own what you want. Lay down, apply Lidocaine liberally, followed by a water soluble lubricant. If you lay on your back and pull your knees to your chest it will be less painful. No, it is not a sign they love you. That would definitely be a first-world problem. The Galax HOF may as well not even exist for me because it's not available. Their market is limited. Acquiring one is not only difficult if you live in the US, but also so absurdly expensive that it makes no sense to even try. The differences that make it better are not consistent with the price and it comes at too high of a cost to be worthwhile. It's unfortunate that we had a 4-year setback with Sleepy Joe and Kameltoe. If we (the US and our allies) do not act swiftly to put China in their place and strip them of their ability to be finanicially sound and a nation of relevance in the world they hate so much we can count on a post-modern holocaust replay. China's intentions for the rest of the world are dark and nefarious. The CCP's extreme wickedness starts at home and is evident by how they (mis)treat their own. We need to make the most important things on Xi Jinping's mind having electricity and running water, worry about how he is going to avoid starving to death and how to evade assassination.