Mr. Fox

The most important thing is that processors remain unlocked so you can do whatever you want. 125W, 150W, 170W TDP doesn't matter if you can push it to 500W-700W-1000W if you want and need to. I set my power limits at 4095W on everything, including turdbooks that would never breach 125W, so that power limits effectively never become a limiting factor, and I always have. I would be super pissed off if I couldn't do that anymore.

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Goes beyond disgusting. I am convinced they are literally insane. But, not as insane as someone that would spend that much on a keyboard. Not to mention the fact that it is 10 keys short of a legit keyboard. TKL is for small turdbooks. Certifiably...

I won't care about it if it turns out to be a 12 core/12 thread part. If it is not hyperthreaded It will be slower than 13900/14900K/KF/KS if only 12C/12T even if there is an IPC improvement. Will have to wait and see how it is made. It might be better for gaming, but I honestly don't care. I don't need it to be. What I have already is more than adequate for that.

His potty mouth and arrogance really rubs me the wrong way. I often find watching his videos to be annoying, but more often than not I think he is accurate and I frequently agree with him. It's just too bad his personality is like a bottle of acetone. I don't think I have seen a better example of a person being a legend in their own mind. OK now, this might actually interest me. No E-cores and 12 P-cores is definitely a step in the right direction. Particularly so if I don't have to waste money on a new motherboard. I'm not keen on buying any new motherboards for at least another year or two... maybe three. Not worth it. But, that only interests me if hyperthreading is included. 12 P-cores without hyperthreading is a non-starter. They can keep that crippled piece of crap if it is not hyperthreaded.

The 14900KS that I returned was the worst CPU I have ever owned. It was an absolute piece of garbage. SE meant "sucky edition" for that one. It was worse than the 5950X and I hated that CPU. 💯we have both always operated that way. It's the only way that I will do it. The gamerboy way with adaptive behavior sucks. It's pointless and you may as well just run it BIOS defaults. With the current way things work that will kill it.

Jufes is spot on about all of it, including the delid and bare die thing. I don't allow stock boosting crap on preferred cores, I lock everything down and run bare die. My voltage is where I set it and the heat gets removed right away. No insane voltage spikes and no cooked cores running wild with the package running within Intel power limits. No degradation and no instability. Everything under control. No spastic TVB behavior, no ASUS AI CPU-killing nonsense and no obsession with stupid single-core or two-core idiot overclocking. He is right on the AMD stuff, too. For exactly the same reasons. X3D chips control the voltage and lock the cores and don't allow runaway cores with insane voltage spikes on the favored CCD cores. Interesting comment about AMD starting the nonsense with their stupid single-core PBO and suffering the same fate, then accidentally fixing their own mess with the X3D chips by locking them down.

I would get the Lightning versus the Edge in your situation. Since I already own your Edge it would be frivolous for me to spend the money to buy a Lightning only to gain maybe 200MHz on the memory overclock. I do like the all black aesthic better than the silver and white. I think it looks nicer. Even with the 14900KF with the SA bug, the Edge is running like a top at 8200 CL36 with an anemic 1.190V VCCSA. Jufes is probably right, as he most often is. I do not use TVB. I think gimmicks like TVB and PBO are a wuss way of overclocking a CPU. I don't do the favored 2 core boost. I just lock all cores at the same amount and lock the voltage where it works best. No fuss, no muss. And, none of the issue the media is buzzing about. And, I think that would be consistent with his opinion.

It's nice to see another ITX motherboard with memory overclocking capabilities similar to the Apex and Tachyon X. If I didn't already have the Z790i Edge I would not hesitate to grab a Z790i Lightning.

This one is open for offers. Solid CPU sample if you can buy it for a reasonable price. Should easily do 5.8-6.0GHz and memory at 8400 as a daily driver overclock with proper cooling. https://www.overclock.net/threads/intel-13900ks-sp-113-p122-e97-mc82.1811397/ Yeah, I am looking forward to playing with those old parts for a bit. I am not sure how long they will hold my interest since I am so used to the scortched earth performance of my current systems, but free is a really good price. Well, not entirely free since I am trading old parts and paying postage, but you know what I mean. It will be nice to have hardware to play with that just runs with no hassles on Windows 7 without having to fuss around with finding drivers that allow everything to work right. If I am going to do the old parts thing, they need to be something I haven't owned before. Otherwise, it is unlikely that I will beat my older benchmarks and won't gain any HWBOT hardware points. These are parts I haven't owned/benched before. Although, I am fairly confident that will beat the 4930K benchmarks that I submitted with the P570WM. That thing was hard to cool, even with the portable AC unit.

If all goes as planned I will have the Rampage IV Gene (X79) and associated parts (4930K and RAM and Titan Black GPU) by next weekend. The old parts I am trading for them are boxed up and ready to ship tomorrow. I ordered an unlocked Xeon E5-1680 V2 on eBay (HP server pull) for like $45. So, I'll have a total of the postage to ship the parts traded plus $45 invested in it. I already have PSU, drives and other components needed in my spare parts, so no need to buy anything. It will be running NVMe from PCIe add-in cards. (I already have those in my spare parts, too.)

I am skipping next gen. No point in it. You would think differently if you had received the hideously poor samples I returned to Amazon and NewEgg. They would have needed LN2 to avoid overheating. They would have been unusable with unchilled custom loop or an AIO. I hope your good luck holds out. If it doesn't it will be a very rude awakening. They're not "mostly good" samples. Turn off your chiller and buy a crappy (average) sample you'll find out real quick. I think it is easy for us that have very good silicon samples to forget that we are wearing rose-colored glasses.

Why roll the dice in the lottery when you can get a cherry-picked CPU of known quality in the overclock.net marketplace? I returned four CPUs in a row that were garbage and got my money back from Amazon and Newegg. All of the CPUs I'm running now are superior silicon samples that I've purchased there.

Yes, I saw that, too. They're going to deny most RMAs anyway, unrelated to this current situation. They've done away with the performance tuning warranty and void warranty for overclocking like AMD now. Even running the memory in XMP is considered overclocking. I've already been down that road with them. The only way to get them to play nice is to lie to them and say you have never overclocked and never used XMP. Not delidding the CPU because it voids the warrant no longer has any basis in logic because using the CPU the way it is advertised and designed to be used voids the warranty.

I have three Z790 desktops and all are super-stable and trouble-free. One 13900KS and two 14900KF. One has the SA bug, but it really doesn't matter. It runs the DDR5 at 8200 with tight timings with only 1.120V for VCCSA. I can't do 8400 with the VCCSA limit. In the grand scheme of things it really is not a big deal IMHO. It is a great silicon sample and the SA bug is way better than a crappy silicon sample. Any day of the week. The trick is avoiding loss in the silicon lottery. I would buy a used CPU with a strong ASUS SP rating on overclock.net and plow ahead. Being totally honest, my Z690 and Z790 systems have been the best and the strongest I have ever owned. No regrets. Yeah, I am basically done buying new CPUs. I plan to ONLY buy used CPUs with a known silicon quality going forward. And, I won't pay a stupid price for one someone is selling because they found a better one. I'll just wait for a very good one at a palatable price as I have been doing. I'll let other people fiddle-fart with the new CPU shell game and waste their money. Ain't nobody got time fo dat.

That's the thing. You can't. That's why I sent back 4 defective samples for a refund. A lot of defective samples are probably in use and probably more than a few defective samples are what is causing game crashes.

All they need to do is pray to their AI god for help. That will fix everything for them. Just ask Jensen.

I don't doubt that some of them, maybe a lot of them, drew big time losers tickets in the silicon lottery. Many may not even be aware that they did.

Even my CPU with the "SA bug" works great. It's interesting that the primary people with "broken" Raptor Lake CPUs seem to be gamers. I bet a lot of them attend the Church of Aggressive Undervolting and like to use TVB because tuning computers to work right is just too hard for them.

Not for me. I am not upgrading. AMD offers nothing that interests me and now Intel has lost my interest. I'm keeping what I have now and buying cheap old tech. Maybe AI will inform the leaders of AMD, Intel and NVIDIA what they should do next. No need to be smart, just ask AI. I could tell them all what they should do, but it wouldn't be a nice suggestion. Nasty words. They would be offended. Plus, I just don't play nice with stupid people.

Never send a baby core to do a daddy core job. And, chiplets suck. Monolith is the only "good" and "right way" to make a CPU, with all cores the same.

Welcome into the light, brother. It took me less than a week to stop caring about "high performance" laptops once I exorcized that filth from my life. And, things are much filthier now than they were then. I suspect you are going to be much happier now. Life is better without turdbooks. I am healed enough now that I can no longer identify with the concept of "high performance" laptop. There is no such thing. An oxymoron.

As usual, your logic is very intelligent. I think it is always good to spend as little as possible on trash like smartphones and tablets. Even if you are pleased with it for the most part, it is a disposable piece of garbage. The expensives ones cost a lot more and do not offer a lot more in return for the higher price tag. To pay extra for a name and a bunch of gimmicks isn't very smart, even though it is called a smartphone. 🤣 My last couple of phones have been purchased as refurbished on Amazon for considerably less, and they looked and functioned the same as new. I am starting to get excited about the idea of going backwards on PC hardware. I can hardly wait for my X79 parts to arrive. Also, the idea of grabbing $2000+ Titan GPUs for under $200 makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.

What kind of Android phone are you using? I ask because some have a different OS than others. My least acceptable Android phones have been Samsung. My best have been OnePlus and Pixel, simply because they are more true Android without screwed up customizations and fewer restrictions and lockdowns. I have always hated Samsung's version of Android. I have owned several Samsung phones and never liked any of them because of their OS modifications. To be clear though, I hate ALL smartphones and tablets. iOS or Android. Both suck. Most of the time I avoid using a phone for things other than phone calls. I mostly use my phone when sitting on the toilet, LOL. I don't even use if for text if I can avoid it. I use Google Messages on my Windows desktop for texting so I can avoid using the small screen and touch UI. I think my next one will be a de-Googled Linux phone. It will still be cursed with a disgusting touch interface, which will ultimately make it detestable.