Mr. Fox

I have three Z790 desktops and all are super-stable and trouble-free. One 13900KS and two 14900KF. One has the SA bug, but it really doesn't matter. It runs the DDR5 at 8200 with tight timings with only 1.120V for VCCSA. I can't do 8400 with the VCCSA limit. In the grand scheme of things it really is not a big deal IMHO. It is a great silicon sample and the SA bug is way better than a crappy silicon sample. Any day of the week. The trick is avoiding loss in the silicon lottery. I would buy a used CPU with a strong ASUS SP rating on overclock.net and plow ahead. Being totally honest, my Z690 and Z790 systems have been the best and the strongest I have ever owned. No regrets. Yeah, I am basically done buying new CPUs. I plan to ONLY buy used CPUs with a known silicon quality going forward. And, I won't pay a stupid price for one someone is selling because they found a better one. I'll just wait for a very good one at a palatable price as I have been doing. I'll let other people fiddle-fart with the new CPU shell game and waste their money. Ain't nobody got time fo dat.

That's the thing. You can't. That's why I sent back 4 defective samples for a refund. A lot of defective samples are probably in use and probably more than a few defective samples are what is causing game crashes.

All they need to do is pray to their AI god for help. That will fix everything for them. Just ask Jensen.

I don't doubt that some of them, maybe a lot of them, drew big time losers tickets in the silicon lottery. Many may not even be aware that they did.

Even my CPU with the "SA bug" works great. It's interesting that the primary people with "broken" Raptor Lake CPUs seem to be gamers. I bet a lot of them attend the Church of Aggressive Undervolting and like to use TVB because tuning computers to work right is just too hard for them.

Not for me. I am not upgrading. AMD offers nothing that interests me and now Intel has lost my interest. I'm keeping what I have now and buying cheap old tech. Maybe AI will inform the leaders of AMD, Intel and NVIDIA what they should do next. No need to be smart, just ask AI. I could tell them all what they should do, but it wouldn't be a nice suggestion. Nasty words. They would be offended. Plus, I just don't play nice with stupid people.

Never send a baby core to do a daddy core job. And, chiplets suck. Monolith is the only "good" and "right way" to make a CPU, with all cores the same.

Welcome into the light, brother. It took me less than a week to stop caring about "high performance" laptops once I exorcized that filth from my life. And, things are much filthier now than they were then. I suspect you are going to be much happier now. Life is better without turdbooks. I am healed enough now that I can no longer identify with the concept of "high performance" laptop. There is no such thing. An oxymoron.

As usual, your logic is very intelligent. I think it is always good to spend as little as possible on trash like smartphones and tablets. Even if you are pleased with it for the most part, it is a disposable piece of garbage. The expensives ones cost a lot more and do not offer a lot more in return for the higher price tag. To pay extra for a name and a bunch of gimmicks isn't very smart, even though it is called a smartphone. 🤣 My last couple of phones have been purchased as refurbished on Amazon for considerably less, and they looked and functioned the same as new. I am starting to get excited about the idea of going backwards on PC hardware. I can hardly wait for my X79 parts to arrive. Also, the idea of grabbing $2000+ Titan GPUs for under $200 makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.

What kind of Android phone are you using? I ask because some have a different OS than others. My least acceptable Android phones have been Samsung. My best have been OnePlus and Pixel, simply because they are more true Android without screwed up customizations and fewer restrictions and lockdowns. I have always hated Samsung's version of Android. I have owned several Samsung phones and never liked any of them because of their OS modifications. To be clear though, I hate ALL smartphones and tablets. iOS or Android. Both suck. Most of the time I avoid using a phone for things other than phone calls. I mostly use my phone when sitting on the toilet, LOL. I don't even use if for text if I can avoid it. I use Google Messages on my Windows desktop for texting so I can avoid using the small screen and touch UI. I think my next one will be a de-Googled Linux phone. It will still be cursed with a disgusting touch interface, which will ultimately make it detestable.

Hopefully you won't find the newer version of iOS worse than what you were used to, like Winduhz 11 versus Windoze 10. I was an iPhone user (not by choice, but a decision of my employer) and used it side-by-side with my Android-based personal phones for more than a decade and I could never identify even one thing I liked more about the iPhone more than my Android phone. I despised everything about it. But, it was a valuable experience because it validated all of the contempt I held for it. My hate for iPhone would have been baseless bias had I not been using it as much or more than Android. To a certain degree this merely comes down to what you are used to and comfortable with due to familiarity. It took me about 6 months of forced use of iOS to become aware of how things worked differently than Android. I never liked it, but it took some time to understand how it differed. The familiarity minimized the frustration even though I never found iOS an endearing product. Same is true of Linux versus Windows. The more I use Linux, the more comfortable I have become with what is different. The difference is, I like Linux the more I use it. The opposite was true of iOS.

Simple. They're just really extra stupid people. And, we get their poop splattered on us. In some cases they fling it on us. I don't have too many issue with Android, but it is like Windows and Mac OS. It gets uglier and loses functionality and has more restrictions with each update And, it is because the people designing software are idiots. No other explanation for it. On top of that they have morbidly disgusting taste when it comes to the aesthetic atrocities they implement.

Sometimes changing the web browser to "desktop view" can help with that, but everything becomes smaller and harder to see. You can pinch zoom to enlage text so it is readable. If I go to HWBOT Forum I cannot even log in with mobile view. There is no option available for my credentials to be entered and nothing on the menu to select for signin unless I switch to desktop view. I think a lot of this is more an issue with Chrome being dumbed down for mobile than it is the Android OS. The Alphabet company is run by monkeys and they produce things for zombie monkeys that are even dumber than they are. Everything revolves around their empire of trash.

Human beings are fundamentally evil and will behave in a manner consistent with being born wicked unless they are taught to believe, think, behave and interact differently. When they are allowed to just figure it out, or handed over to a degenerate public education system for flawed brainwashing, nurturing of their depraved mindset, and malicious programming we get what we've got now. Lots of broken trash thanks to the broken idiots giving it to us. The problem is much bigger than tech hardware turning to feces. That is just a symptom of the deeper problem. It's going to get worse, so buckle up. We ain't seen nothing yet.

Released today @ryan.

Yes, I agree. I would do the same. You could flip them for some good money at that price. At that price it would even be worth buying it as a spare part to set on the shelf in case of emergency.

From a PC, yes. I cannot figure out a way to cut/copy and paste quotes using a mobile platform. That does not work correctly for me on Android even though it is a cinch using a PC. Selecting normal text is easy enough, but selecting the quotes doesn't seem to work on the mobile platform. If there was a way to toggle the post to show the underlying code markup instead of rendered code it would be easy to select like ordinary text, but I do not see that option. (One of the many reasons I hate smartphones and tablets... Slimy touch screen filth versus a keyboard and mouse always sucks. Ctrl+A, Ctrl+X wins every time.)

You snagged a new Asrock Z790i Lightning for $116? I just looked and did not see it available for that price. That's insanely cheap and worth buying at that price. I am only seeing it for $279. https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-Lightning-Mini-ITX-DisplayPort-Motherboard/dp/B0D3S7Z3YG Or, were you referring to the AIO?

Interesting that single core would be worse than multi, rather than multi being an exponential equation. A symptom of the stupidity in having a large disparity in turbo clocks on only one or two cores. It sounds like the article is finding the nice things to say so that people who are already predisposed to buying it will buy it. Which is what we expect from most "influencers" in the media. We live in a time where lying is accepted and "marketing" and "journalism" are the politically correct words for the behavior of liars.

Are they showing multi-core at all, or not even mentioning it?

They should not be having any problems with BIOS defaults, and if that is the case then something is wrong with the BIOS defaults. I have only encountered that "out of memory" error one time and the problem was fixed by dropping the cache overclock from 52x to 51x. My impression is it is largerly caused by inexperienced people trying to overclock or undervolt incorrectly. Starving a CPU of voltage reduces performance and causes instability for sure. I never run my CPUs or memory stock and never hestitate to give them more voltage when they need it to run right, but doing that is a common mistake made by many. I could be wrong, but I suspect these issues are primarily user-induced. Inexperience and ignorance are extremely common, and unintentionally misplaced blame often follows when things don't turn out as hoped. Games are sometimes not the most stable software coding examples and they can have stability issues of their own even when everything is tuned right from a hardware perspective. On top of that, stability issues with gamer noobs getting overzealous with undervolting too much are certainly nothing new. When you have a product that is pushed to the near edge already in its stock form that is going to be even more problematic for them. Some may be undervolting where the solution they actually should be looking at with a sub-par silicon sample is over-volting, but they don't know enough to recognize that their tuning efforts are going 180 degrees in the wrong direction. Yes, I agree. I suspect thermal issues are often a factor. Expecting a caviar-level experience on a crackers and peanut butter budget doesn't happen. We know good and well there are going to be people dropping their i9 into a cheap motherboard with a $25 Amazon air cooler from China and expecting it to run the same as a system that someone else spent 300% more on their build. Not gonna happen.

Nice! Thanks for the link. Maybe it will be more optimal for DDR5. Here was the Russian text: Часть секции ресурсов перекинута из TM5.EXE в TM5.DLL, чтобы тупые антивирусы заткнулись. Google Translate: Part of the resource section is moved from TM5.EXE to TM5.DLL so that stupid antiviruses shut up. Wow, I am jealous. Sweet new toy.

How do you get the voltage to 1.150V though? Is there a vBIOS that allows more than 1.100V apart than owning a Galax HOF 4090 with XOC vBIOS and overclock software to increase the voltage? I am not aware of any way to increase the voltage unless you own a Galax HOF GPU or break out the soldering iron and use Elmore hardware mods. Yours just might not be cold enough with the air cooler. I know for a fact that the Gigabyte 4090 will not do 3000+ stable on ambient water on the smaller (unchilled) loop. Core clock speeds since Maxwell forward are capped/throttled based on temperature ranges, and got capped worse from Turing forward. The 4090 Suprim has always been run with a much larger liquid cooling system with the chiller, so I cannot directly compare the two GPU in that scenario. I just haven't been motivated enough to test it on the loop with the 5 gallon reservoir and chiller. And, my office ambient temps are just way too hot to be ideal for regular water cooling, and truly terrible for air cooling. It's 7:30 AM here with the central AC set to 73°F and my office is already almost 80°F. It will be 85°F in my office before the end of the day. And, that is only with my ITX (work) computer running. If I turn on two or all three desktops the ambient temperatures go even higher.

I hardly used it on air. Ordered the water block and switched it as soon as I could. I do remember being impressed with the air cooler's ability to keep it cool. It has never been benched on the chiller so I haven't really done any serious benching with it. Memory overclock on both 4090s is stable at +1700-1800 depending on the task. I use the Galax 1000W vBIOS on both GPUs. I did not have good results with the 666W vBIOS. Both GPUs worked better with the stock vBIOS than they did with the Galax 666W and both work best with the 1000W. For 3000+ on core you need to keep the voltage locked at 1.100V. At least it do. If it drops below 1.100V (the wimpy max) stability gets sketchy. I use Afterburner curve tool to lock it at 1.100V. I think the 4090 Suprim may have a slightly stronger core, but I've not done a good head-to-head comparison on chilled water. The 4090 really needs a core max of 1.200V to shine. The 1.100V limit is pretty wimpy. The OEMs and NVIDA are probably worried about the crappy 12VHPWR sockets melting and castrated the voltage to keep the watts lower. Nope. I don't really care about that. It's the least important measurement to me, and I don't do any single core benchmarks. When I consider the mentality of the people that do care and make a big deal about it, it makes me care about it even less. @Papusan I am working our a deal for a ASUS ROG Rampage IV Gene and 4820K with 32GB (4x8GB) Kingston HyperX 2400MHz quad channel and a Titan GPU. I am doing an even trade for some spare parts I am not using. I should have those parts in another week or two. I will initially install them on the open bench. I think I will use it with the CR360 Dark AIO since that is just sitting on a shelf. After extracting everything the 4820K can muster, I am probably going to grab a 4960X and a Xeon E5-1680 V2 to rack up some extra CPU hardware points. These CPUs are direct cheap on eBay. After I am done racking up some points, I might put everything into the Dark Base Pro 901 case, load it up with mechanical HDDs and stick it under one of my desks to use it as a Windows 7 machine or Linux server. Not sure yet, just an idea. If I do that the Apex Encore and Gigabyte 4090 will move over to the open bench. Since it is HEDT it has 40 PCIe lanes and will support X16 *2 GPU along with NVMe, SATA or NIC add-in cards. I might grab a second Titan or another 2080 Ti for some SLI benching if I can get them cheap enough. I am also thinking about grabbing a cheap 240 radiator to use with the 2080 Ti Waterforce GPU. I already have a spare D5 and reservoir I can connect to it. In a couple of years I expect X299 parts will be just as cheap as these X79 pieces. I still have my X299 CPU delid tool.

It was 113°F today. Tomorrow the forecast is 115°F with a nighttime low of 103°F. But, it's a dry heat.