Mr. Fox

HWBOT and UL are hung up on seeing the flag enabled and won't count it if it is not. Nice, huh? (Stupid.)

Nice... looks like that is very close to 7900 XTX and desktop 4080 level performance. Does 4090 laptop GPU have ECC enable/disable option in NVIDIA Control Panel? Lots of controversy about that on desktop 4090. Desktop 4090 owners are being held to a different standard than all other GPU owners because the goons at NVIDIA enabled that stupid option. Here's mine. https://www.3dmark.com/sn/60280

Well hello, stranger. Nice seeing you here. You have been sorely missed Brother @Prema. That is a pretty impressive score for a laptop CPU. I know exactly what you are describing. I was super excited about the X570 and 5950X and I was just devastated when it turned out to be such an expensive disappointment. It was a costly lesson for me, but had I not done it I would have always wondered if my mind could be changed. Now I know it can't be and I don't have to wonder. I avoid using the word "never" to leave my options open, but I remain extremely doubtful and biased because I don't like being disappointed, especially when money is involved.

Repulsive. 🤢 But, the gamerboyz are happy with X3D CPUs that are not great at overclocking, already do not have unlocked core ratios and have lower TDP than their non-X3D counterparts. If the CPU doesn't overclock well and the user isn't interested, probably no point in wasting money on a motherboard that supports it. So, I guess it's all good drinking from the no-overclocking gamer cesspool as long as it has RGB rainbow puke onboard. Maybe they'll go a step further and make it even easier for the kiddos by making it BGA trash with a soldered CPU. If it not overclockable, then may as well include the RAM, too. Add $5.00 for the extra solder.

Bugged scores have always been possible. Same for CPU, especially from Winduhz 8 forward with the messed up RTC. But, making RTX 4090 owners damage the memory on their most expensive GPUs in order to submit valid results is just downright idiotic. Bugged scores are normal. Why suddenly it is a problem only for the owners of 4090? Because the HWBOT golden boys don't like their predestined path to victory being challenged by pions that haven't been anointed, that's why.

Seems like a fitting place to share this. @Raiderman posted something about this and I missed it, but check this out. It is not a Windows 7 theme. It actually replaced the Windows 11 GUI and numerous elements with Windows 7. This is Windows 11 so I will call it "7-11", no offense to Southland Corporation and their respectable convenience store chain. It even restored the Windows 7 Media Center. System resources are respectable, too. There is also a Vista GUI option. https://r8p.teknixstuff.com/ Besides low system resources, it seems like this GUI correction actually improved performance. This is much closer to Windows 7 wprime 32m performance than Windows 10/11 can do. Windows 10/11 wPrime 32m performance is normally horribly sluggish.

@Raiderman posted something about this and I missed it, but check this out. It is not a Windows 7 theme. It actually replaced the Windows 11 GUI and numerous elements with Windows 7. This is Windows 11 so I will call it "7-11", no offense to Southland Corporation and their respectable convenience store chain. It even restored the Windows 7 Media Center. System resources are respectable, too. There is also a Vista GUI option. https://r8p.teknixstuff.com/ Edit: It DID NOT hurt system resources. If anything it helped. Windows 10/11 are usually horrible at wprime 32M. Look @Papusan this is much closer to Windows 7 than Windows 10/11 typically are.

5090 will get a "miraculous" boost in performance through mystical driver chemotheraphy if next gen RDNA is better than expected. If not, then it will maintain it predestined level of muted performance. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Yup. Everyone should just buy only new Arc GPUs, or used RX 500 and 6000 AMD and NVIDIA 3000 series GPUs or use integrated graphics and stick with 1080p gaming and see how the hardware vendors and game developers feel about that. So, the HWBOT solution here is to create a handicap and require 4090 owners to deliberately cripple their flagship product and allow owners of the lesser products to get away with following a different set of rules. Basically. Everyone gets a trophy for participating.

NVIDIA will never give us their best out of the chute. NVIDIA will only give us as much as what is needed to be more than what AMD's flagship offers, and then charge extra for the priviledge of owning something better. They'll meter the performance, spoon-feed their customers and hold back what their hardware and software can actually deliver for later on and then charge more for it as an "upgrade" when it is not a new product and actually costs them nothing to flip a switch in the firware or enable the code in software and pretend that it is something better. It kind of sucks when the best of the best is a wolf in sheep's clothing, but it is what it is. Wow. Picture response time. That is a piece of [insert image 1] that makes we want to [insert image 2].

Well, at least his response confirms what I believe. Stupid is the new normal and extremely common. Businesses generally take one of two approaches. Do what is best for the business. What customers consumers want does not matter. Screw 'em. We will do as we wish, and consumers will continue using our sucky products because they need them. We have them over a barrel (e.g. Micro$lop Windoze, crApple Mac OS). Do what most customers want, even when it is wrong and totally stupid. It doesn't matter if our product sucks if it is what they want. It's their fault that our product sucks. They're stupid, but we want their money.

Looks like I spoke too soon. Accessing the forum this morning is painfully slow like before.

Word. Same. Single thread is for baby-girls. SIngle-thread overclocking is Frank Azor nonsense. On another note... good. Glad to hear this. Hopefully, it will result in legal sanctions and hefty fines. They deserve it.

It seemed better just now. When I came back everything loaded quickly.

It depends on what sort of collusive arrangements can be made with the skanks manufacturing PC hardware and what kind of kickback the Redmond Mafia can expect from such a clandestine illegal arrangement.

You probably won't see me wasting any money on AMD products, but you could be right about some that don't know any better. 😉 But, you probably won't see me upgrading on the Intel side either. If hyperthreading and overclocking are dying, my interest in PC tech dies right along with it. Right out the window. Computers instantly become the functional equivalent of screwdrivers and pliers to me without satisfying overclocking: used only when necessary to perform a task that requires them and ignored the rest of the time. Some may not have noticed, but I've purchased extra nicely binned LGA-1700 CPUs that are not needed for spares in the anticipation of not buying anything newer for the foreseeable future. Maybe a Battlemage GPU if they seem good enough and not overpriced. Hope you guys can find and fix whatever is wrong. It seems much worse today. Very unresponsive forum navigation as opposed to the sluggishness before. I've actually had some time-out errors today.

First thing I threw out was all my spare laptop parts. Mostly heat sinks, but also a couple of LCDs. I had spare P570WM CPU heat sink and fan, P870DM3 vapor chamber and CPU heat sink and P870DM-G MXM heat sinks, MSI/Eurocom Tornado F5 heat sinks and even a M18xR2 CPU heat sink. All on their way to a landfill, LOL. The only spare parts I kept for laptops is the Precision 7720 that I currently own. I even found the box with spare parts for the stuff I used to make the dual 330W AC adapter box for the M18xR2 this evening. That will be in the trash tomorrow.

I did not know neofetch could be customized. Nice.

NVIDIA should have a warning that appears in NVIDIA Control Panel when ECC is enabled to inform the user that enabling ECC may result in unrecoverable damage to the GPU memory. Then neither HWBOT nor UL would need to worry about it or find solutions because nobody with a normal level of intelligence would enable ECC and there would be no 3DMark submissions for HWBOT moderators to have to worry about moderating. UL could continue producing their modern cartoon benchmark crap for the kiddos. Well, that's kind of nifty. I did not know neofetch could be customized. Nice.

Well, if it is good traffic and marks the start of the accelerating success you deserve for creating this forum that is a happy problem to have to get out in front of.

Should be able to clear CMOS to restore BIOS defaults. Maybe @Clamibot or @electrosoft can comment more accurately. As I mentioned, I only had this machine a few months for development work. I never owned it or used it beyond that task. The last performance laptop I owned was P870DM3.

I replied. Let's see if they allow our posts to stand or delete them because they do not permit logical dissent. UL and HWBOT can molest themselves for all I care. They are both becoming irrelevant and worthless. Add them to the list of worthless technology "leaders" along with fecal filth the likes of crApple, Micro$lop, Google and Meta. https://community.hwbot.org/topic/234462-3dmark-steel-nomad/?do=findComment&comment=667840 I don't "need" any of those losers anymore. I can take care of myself using superior alternatives. I'm OK with leaving the garbage for the sheeple that let others make all of their decisions for them. Let's just hope Linux developers don't develop an equally severe case of stupid.

Hello. I am not sure what you are asking. I think you are asking if you can adjust CPU voltage in the BIOS with the @Prema firmware and the answer is yes. You can adjust almost everything you could with a desktop BIOS. I cannot answer any questions specific to this laptop because I only had it for development purposes for a few month and that was almost four years ago, so I would not be able to respond with the accuracy anyone's questions would deserve.