Mr. Fox

We are living in the darkest days our nation has ever seen. Wonder how much longer until it becomes a felony to publicly say what I just said? They're coming for the children as well. The quest of evil to destroy good has no bottom end. Raise them to be a pervert that loves corruption and they'll believe all of the other B.S. they're told. Parents are just getting in the way so they need to go to jail, too.

That was a really good interview.

I not sure. I literally never run the CPU stock so I haven't. I suspect it would. I doubt that passing Cinebench R23, Y-Cruncher and what-not that there is an instability in the overclock.

I can't get it to work correctly except using static voltage. Adaptive I think it gets too much VDROOP even using L8 LLC. If I could disable Guardband on the Apex I think it would do better. I run with that disabled at all times on the Z690 Dark. I will have to run it on the 13900K in the Dark and see how it does. I'm tempted to put the Dark back on the open bench and make the Apex my "work" PC. I can't figure out how to disable Guardband on the Apex. I can adjust it, but I don't see a way to completely disable it. CPU: https://hwbot.org/submission/5351245_ | GPU: https://hwbot.org/submission/5351246_

Yes, that is true. You can lower the PCH temps by enabling power management in the BIOS for ACPI/ASPM/DMI. Same was true on the Unify-X and Crosshair VIII X570. Both of them had a crazy hot PCH and it does hinder memory overclocking stability. So did the Strix Z690-E. Not sure why they don't do a better job with the heat sinks. The Z690 Dark has a very cool PCH, but the heat sink for it weighs almost as much as the entire Apex mobo, LOL. I actually used a big heatsink with fans and a thermal pad on top of the stock heatsink on the Unify-X before I found out about the power management in the BIOS being disabled causing the PCH temps to soar. Yes it is. Not sure why. I think there is something wrong with the benchmark to be honest. I think it is doing something weird with cache or memory. It's not as stressful as Cinebench R23. My CPU doesn't get as hot as R23, but it still takes lots of extra voltage for some reason. It's strange. I haven't tried lowering the cache ratio or decreasing the memory overclock to see if the behavior changes, but something unusual is going on. It seems to waste a bit of time "preparing" for the benchmark before it starts. Not sure what that's about. Sometimes it won't start rendering. Sometimes it stops responding without crashing or freezing. Other times it runs normally. I think it's just buggy. On top of that, I find it really annoying to have to remember to manually change it from a timed stress test to benchmark using the "off" option. I just tried to open it and got a BSOD a minute ago. Yet, I can run any other version of Cinebench, OCCT or AIDA64 stress test without issue, so yeah, it's buggy.

I will not be surprised to learn that it is accurate. It's not very hard to cool memory chips and I could see having no delta being relatively easy to achieve with water flowing through the jackets. My liquid cooled memory on the Z690 Dark is rarely ever more than a 5°C delta from the water temperature with only the block on top to passively cool the memory jackets. The block on top alone drops the memory load temps about 30°C. The issue is that memory starts having errors at relatively low temperatures. But they don't get terribly hot, which is why the half-assed heating blankets most of the retail kits ship with is so inexcusable. My naked green sticks run cooler with nothing but a fan blowing on them than expensive retail kits do with so-called "heatsinks" on them that actually tend to increase the temperature rather than reduce it.

The real benefit will be seen in what, if anything, it does to extend my memory overclocking. At 8200 I seldom see more than 32-34°C under stress testing with the liquid cooled memory on the Z690 Dark. It is definitely not a bad price for what a complex design it is with the water flowing through the RAM jackets. Active cooling directly on the memory ICs is pretty amazing when you think about it. The price is really decent, as long as it yields a benefit on the overclocking capacity. If it doesn't then it will just be an extra-fancy setup that I spent more on than I needed to.

Ordered. Thanks for the heads up. It's about twice as much ($112 USD including shipping) as my other liquid cooled memory components cost me, but it will be interesting to see if keeping the memory below 30°C improves overclocking. If not, then I will know not to spend extra next time. Also nice that now I can get rid of the nasty G.SKILL RGB heating blankets and rainbow puke for good. I really hate RGB memory. Such a stupid thing, LOL. Finding good memory options without RGB garbage should be much easier.

It looks like all they have is the jackets for the modules, but not the block that goes on top. Were you able to snag the block that mounts on top of the RAM jackets as well?

If both of your motherboards are 4-DIMM and the Tachyon is 2-DIMM that more than likely accounts for most, if not all, of your limited memory overclock capacity if the scenario is the same as Intel. I'm not aware of any amount of skill that allows a 4-DIMM Intel mobo to match 2-DIMM models. I think it's totally illogical that they even manufacture 4-DIMM enthusiast mobos. I would avoid 4-DIMM boards like a plague. This is why the Tachyon, Unify-X, Dark and Apex boards rule, at least on the Team Blue side of the house. They should stop manufacturing 4-DIMM boards for gaming and enthusiast applications. They are a waste of money. My 12th Gen Celeron 2C/2T netbook CPU runs 8000 stable on the Dark and Apex. IMC and mobo quality certainly matters, but not as much as topology.

I am not really sure on your AMD system what is best. If I recall correctly (and I may be a bit foggy now since it has been a while) X570 starts getting crazy latency and diminished returns if your memory clock is not at or near syncronized with FCLK. I found it difficult and frustrating with the 5950X. Running DDR4 at 4400 is better than most people could accomplish.

Unfortunately that's the problem with way too many things in our lives right now. If you put a blank spot where the word game is you will never run out of words to insert there. That's what I've been saying all along... I need a 1.200V+ vBIOS or hardware mod that works in order to get what I paid for. Increasing the power limit is waste of time when you don't have the ability to consume it and more than a 1.100V baby-girl voltage cap is the only way to get there. As awesome as they might be the 4090 is castrated by insufficient voltage. But you know there are going to be some numbskulls out there trying to undervolt LOL.

LOL... 100K in attendance and not even one person showed up. 🤣 Justice served.

I figured something out that applies to 4K. The DPI override never made any difference on 1080p or 1440p to my eyes. But, 4K scaling still leaves something to be desired with text rendering not being nice, even with ClearType optimized. Fonts still look fuzzy. Right-clicking an .exe file (any .exe file you want) and choosing the override option greatly enhances the quality of text rendered by an application. In the image below, the CPU-Z on the left is with the tweak applied. The one on the right (that is much uglier) is default Windows DPI. No brainer. I have been applying this tweak to essentially every executable. The before/after is remarkable. I don't know why this is not a default configuration option for Windows 10 and Windows 11. It should be.

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OK, so after testing multiple (five in total) stock and modded versions of Windows 10 and Windows 11, the winners are: Overall (Combination CPU and GPU): Windows 10 22H2 - Altas OS https://atlasos.net/downloads Windows 11 21H2.2003 - Oprekin.com https://oprekin.com/threads/win11-21h2.411/post-6791 The worst CPU performance was the latest version of Windows 11 (22H2) fully and indiscriminately updated with all available Redmond Reprobate cancer filth installed. GPU performance is still good, but the CPU performance is really lousy. The worst GPU performance was Windows 10 21H1, which also had the best CPU performance by a tiny margin, but GPU performance was bad enough that overall 3DMark Time Spy scores were consistently the lowest of all five of the other OS versions. When I have time to create them I will post some Excel graphs. In chronological release date order, tested OSes were: Windows 10 20H2 (Defender removed, otherwise stock with no updates, just tuned) Windows 10 21H1 (Defender removed, otherwise stock with no updates, just tuned) Windows 10 22H2 - AtlasOS (fully updated, tuned further - Defender removed) Windows 11 21H2.2003 LitePlus - Oprekin.com (no updates, tuned further - Defender removed) Windows 11 22H2 (no mods, fully updated and tuned - Defender still functional) Unfortunately, most of the garbage from Micro$lop Studios does that now. Even if it works on the current version of Windows when you install it, some will stop working until you update to the latest Windows version filth and tell you that you need to upgrade/update to the latest version of the OS to continue playing the game. No, I'm not kidding. I refuse to purchase trash from these losers any more because of their control freak ways. Gears of War 4 was the last title I purchased for that very reason. It also required that you use the XBOX for Windows App. What is super-stupid about it is that Gears of War 5 was released on Steam and runs fine on Windows 7. @Raiderman @Clamibot

Yes, a couple of different ones, in fact. I am testing something that may be relevant in terms of the better option to share. I will send you a PM and link after I confirm my recommendation. I will share the results of that testing here in the thread if it is worth sharing. I think it will be. I purchased it on eBay. One thing to keep in mind deciding between LTSC 2019 versus 2021 is while the GUI is better on 2019, overall performance of 2021 has been better for me for both CPU and GPU, but especially graphics performance.

Nobody likes to be told their baby is ugly. Unfortunately, the internet emboldens the inner butthole in a lot of people that might otherwise be a fairly pleasant individual. A normal person doesn't engage in a debate and become confrontational when they have no relevant knowledge or experience on the subject matter, but they might if it's a drama for display on the internet. That is especially true about topics that have no meaningful life impact or value in the grand scheme of things. It would be more useful if they burned their calories on something that actually mattered. I watched that video soon after it released yesterday. It is pretty interesting sure. As far as AIOs go, it looks pretty awesome. Nice fat radiator and overall design is unique. I have no doubt it will be absurdly expensive and expect that no amount of performance will be enough to justify the price tag. I am glad you are having a good time and enjoying the weather. Good that you have the reservation and included a guarantee on the AC being available next year. It's too bad that you and your family cannot move to a better place for your health. I know it is hard enough moving to a new location, but when it involves family members it becomes far more difficult. When the wife and I made the move from the beautiful Pacific Northwest to the desolate Arizona blast furnace to be close to our daughter and first batch of grandkids, that had potential to have an unpleasant outcome with our four adult sons (all were still single at the time) and their future families being scattered abroad. It took a few years, but somehow we all managed to end up in the same metropolitan area. No more costly "vacations" to see kids and grandkids is awesome. Being able to be part of their daily lives and a positive influence in their development, rather than making a couple of token cameo appearances annually, is quite a blessing.

People used to hate on Crysis and CoD titles the same way, say they were poorly optimized and what not. They are personal favorites and always played really fine for me. Resource hungry? Sure. But, that's OK. But I always optimize my hardware and operating system. I don't run anything using system defaults. I also never use cheap low- or mid-range PC hardware. Maybe if I did things would suck more for me than they do.

He's got some mad soldering skills so if he can't do it I bet it can't be done. Nice shirt brother.

That's right where it should be. I got 2608 with 60xP, 47xE and 50xC, 8200. I don't really like this benchmark though. It pushes my CPU over 600W and sometimes it just stops partway through. Nothing visible crashing, no Windoze lock-up and everything seems normal except it just stops doing anything and Cinebench itself it unresponsive. So, I have to close it with Task Manager.

Yet people keep giving them money. Rewarding bad behavior guarantees the continuance of it.

The amount of drama surrounding this game is over the top. Maybe that is the new normal in this insane post-COVID world. My response to the crybabies is to shut up, stop whinging and grow a pair. Be a big boy and play another game until the greed-driven losers that made this one pull their heads out. If their inability to play this game results in a loss of quality of life then it really begs the question of what kind of sucky life they have to begin with. Anyone that can't handle the messes and drama shouldn't be an early adopter of hardware or software. That playground is for adults that have their priorities straight, not spoiled children. I guess if nothing else it gives the idiotic tech journalists and the stupid YouTube influencers another source of nonsense to drum up a ruckus about. Must be a godsend to have content if they have nothing important to talk about.

Nice to see you, Brother John. I hope all is well with you.

Spot on. Less government involvement means a better outcome. There can be some degree of benefit to government control but the cons outweigh the pros. Best to the let market (people buying) decide what works and what doesn't. The government (any government) will just screw things up for the majority, stifle growth and deincentivise innovation. We are currently seeing and experiencing the pain and grief of what happens when government takes too much control of business and it's never good. They need to focus on protecting and serving, and leave command and control up to the free market. "Less is more" applies to a lot of things, but it is especially true of government and regulatory interference in private matters, business or money-related scenarios.