Mr. Fox

I dropped my Celeron test CPU into the Apex and it is running, so it is the SP112 CPU that it killed. The SP108 is in the mini-ITX system. I wish it would have been that one. The SP112 has a 120 P-core SP rating the same as the SP117. ASUS sucks. I wish it would have been the motherboard as well. Easier to replace than a nice CPU sample. I will try putting the 13900KS back into it again tomorrow and pray for a miracle. If no luck I guess I will have to waste money on a 14900K that would not have been necessary and hope it's not a worse silicon sample.

I think TurboV Core just killed the SP112 13900KS in my white Apex. 🤢 I launched it and tried to move the voltage a bit and when I clicked apply the system powered off and now I get Q-code 00 and the red CPU light comes on. I did the BIOS flashback from a USB drive after clearing CMOS did nothing. It flashed successfully and when I powered back on it still has 00 and red light. This really sucks. This is the second 13900KS that has died when installed in an ASUS motherboard. In fact, every CPU that I have owned that died, if memory serves me correctly, was installed in an ASUS motherboard when it died. My 10900KF golden sample died while installed in a Apex. Edit: I guess I am not the only one. I think in this case it killed the guy's CPU and mobo. https://rog-forum.asus.com/t5/intel-700-600-series/asus-turbo-vcore-killed-my-z690-asus-apex-and-12900k/td-p/874202 I hate ASUS. I guess I will try the CPU in another system and see if it boots.

Yes, that is definitely likely as well. Following the thread at Overclock.net, if I tune my LLC the way most of them are suggesting (which I did on the Encore) so that the VID and VCore match under load my power draw goes way up. It may not be accurate, but tuning it that way may cause the sensors to have false readings. If I put AC and DC LLC at 0.01 each the power draw readings are like 100W less and the VID is higher than the VCore under load.

Correct. It may not be accurate, but it is what the BIOS is telling HWiNFO64. I don't have any control over that. I do remember posting that, but it might have been when the CPU was still in the mini-ITX motherboard. I can't recall now. For perspective, here is the white Apex with the chiller cooling the water to 16°C. Note the wattage. This is the SP112 CPU so it pulls 1.300V under load versus the SP117 only needing 1.270V. Other than the extra 0.030V needed, the rest of the BIOS settings are the same as the Encore without chilled water. Power draw is the same (according to HWiNFO64). Can't tell you if that is accurate or not, only what it reads. And, Benchmate gets the info from HWiNFO64.

As best I can tell from your screenshots, your VID and VCore load values are nearly identical to mine. About 1.270V under full tilt load.

Not sure how you are able to do that other than with chilled water. As mentioned, under load my CPU is drawing 1.270V.

No, with manual voltage. Auto voltage is out of control sky high and dangerous, and extremely hot.

It's totally normal. Are you capping your power limit? Every single 10th, 12th and 13th Gen CPU I have owned hits power draw numbers like this in Cinebench R23. So did the 5950X, at much lower clock speeds. At 6.0GHz all P-core sync is it over 600W.

Yes. With the IHS it will go to like 105°C and blue screen running the same BIOS settings in Cinebench R23. Anything above 57x all P-core was unstable in Cinebench R23 due to extreme heat before delid and bare die. This is on the system with the Nova 1080 radiator, no chiller and no 5-gallon reservoir, so it has to work a lot harder than our systems with 5-6 times more liquid.

No, look again. It is 1.270V under load. It goes up to 1.380V at idle, which is normal. Benchmate grabs the highest voltage, not the accurate voltage. (Benchmate is not as special as some like to pretend it is. But, it makes pretty screenshots for HWBOT, LOL.) My water is 29°C, so about 3-4°C hotter than ambient. I might have added the second screenshot before you refreshed the page, so maybe you did not see it. This is on the system with the Nova 1080 radiator, no chiller and no 5-gallon reservoir, so it has to work a lot harder than our systems with 5-6 times more liquid.

No. Totally normal. You've forgotten what it is like to run a system without chilled water. Voltage, power and temps are all MUCH higher even with a golden silicon sample. With chilled water even a mediocre CPU can do things a golden sample can't do if cooling with ambient water temperatures. I just ran this. My ambient temperature is 74°F (24°C). 561W and 92°C, and that's bare die. My AC and DC are fully tuned and run exactly the same value under load. Only using 1.270V under load.

Easily above 550W and over 100°C. Without even trying. Even with my SP117 CPU running the lowest possible borderline stable voltage. Ambient cooling (air or water) within an air conditioned room (70-73°F) won't get you anywhere. It's nice being able to use chilled water 24/7 if you have that ability, but that's not a normal real-world scenario. The best SP-rated CPU in the world won't run low power and low voltage if cooled using ordinary measures in normal ambient temperatures. As soon as the water in the loop normalizes it will become unmanageable and start breaking 100°C and chugging close to 600W with an all P-core 60x overclock. And, that's one of the things that makes it awesome. Simply because it can.

This isn't for points, just a down and dirty run to confirm overclocking ability of the Gigabutt Gaming OC GPU. The stock vBIOS is voltage knee-capped at 1.070V like all of the new cancer GPU firmware. *SMH* BUT, nothing that a quick flash to the Galax vBIOS can't fix. Now it has a less castrated 1.100V voltage limit. Before it would crash above about 2950MHz on core, but now 3000+ is doable. Memory has no problem with +1500 so far. Don't know if it can run +1700 like the Suprim can, but I will find out when I have time to test it on chilled water. So far everything I can see tells me this is a good GPU. Max and Average on clocks and voltage...

Congratulations. I have been signed up for 4090 Suprim for 6 months and signed up for 4080S Suprim stock alerts on launch day and have never received one. I am no longer looking for one, but I have not cancelled them. I just checked my email and nothing.

Yeah, there is not much logic or common sense left with things related to video cards today. It's crazy how many normally smart people suddenly become so stupid.

Maybe after the Chinese New Year has passed and people go back to work over there stock will become available. https://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/rtx4080super/ Bear in mind, the Strix GPUs are almost always grossly overpriced and they add insult to injury with the fact that things are hit or miss in terms of core and memory bin quality. Plus, ALL of the ASUS GPUs have an oddball proprietary 12VHPWR cable that is made upside-down compared to all other brands. You'll have to use the ugly 8-pin adapter or have an ATX 3.0 PSU cable that supports the stupid ASUS orientation. A different brand is a better option here for multiple reasons. ASUS is near the bottom of the list for me when it comes to GPUs. If I were going to compromise on the 12VHPWR cable, the TUF is the only one that is not grossly overpriced, and it usually overclocks as well as a Strix.

Some people will always find a reason to complain. Maybe they would prefer a melted GPU power socket. Even if I never had a problem it would suck having to worry about it. Not needing to think about it would be better.

I submitted my refund request for the recall. It felt strange breaking it and taking a photo, but that is easier and better than having to mail it back to them.

Thank you. Yeah, that really sucks. We can have or do anything we want as long as it is what our icky dick taters want for us.

Thank you. I agree. It does look fantastic, and it runs very cool with that massive heatsink. IMC is really solid, but I haven't taken time to tune the memory further. My MCSP is higher than the 13900KS in the white Apex, so I suspect I can. Yes, the GPU and RAM have smaller tubing diameter on this system. The RAM is deliberate and that way on both systems as I want more water flow to other things like CPU and GPU. The GPU is that way only because I ran out of larger tubing and haven't purchased any more. The Alphacool Eisenblock is super nice. Nicer than the Bykski GPU blocks, and heavier. It was super easy to assemble. Now it is time for bed. It's 2:47 AM, LOL. But, the work is done. CPU delidded and GPU blocked.

Thanks. Yes, 1.390V for 60x all P-core synced and Cinebench R23 stable is very good on ambient water. My ambient temperature is 74°F right now and I have a 1.5°C delta between the ambient temperatuer and the water temperature. The BIOS is showing I can raise the E-cores to 50x all core synced before the current voltage value is too low. I don't know if they will be stable at 50x synced, but I will try that when I get around to hooking it up to the chiller.

OK, did some more tuning. This is very good for a system with no chiller. With this SP117 I am able to run this with no thermal throttling. Delid and bare die helped tremendously. The SP117 did not behave as well as I had hoped before going bare die. After I get the Gigabyte 4090 blocked I will move the chiller over to this system and see how it does. Maybe can do 6.2GHz P-core and 4.9 or 5.0GHz on E-core with chilled water. I like the IceMan CPU and direct touch memory block a lot. Very well made products.

Cool (pun intended) this arrived early. It wasn't supposed to be here until Monday. So, I guess I know what I am going to be doing either later tonight or tomorrow.