Mr. Fox

It must be only sporadic that it is functional. First bench I ran showed the leaderboard in the app, then on the second it went dark, so it is offline in my browser and the app on both desktops and my laptop. Yes, I got it to work on a different OS. It did not want to function at all on the OS I first installed it on. But, the GPU clock runs less than half normal boost. If I force it setting the minimum clock in the Radeon CP, that works but there is no change in score or FPS. Now it mysteriously stopped working on my other desktop. I ran several without a problem with the 4090, now I just get a black background, Heaven music and a FPS counter that shows over 100K frames per second with no image rendered, LOL. I don't know what changed. Nothing I can identify. Just a buggy trash piece of software, I suppose. It is so old it looks like scores might be better stock or underclocked versus overclocked, but since it stopped working I can't test that theory. Given how it is "working" (quotes intended) I think it has no value as a benchmark now. The results are suspect. It is not designed for modern hardware or OSes and seems unreliable. Not surprising since it has not been updated since 2011.

I cannot access catzilla.com or allbenchmark.com from any of my computer web browsers. I get the "This site can't be reached" error whenever I try. Haven't tried yet. Not a huge priority. I don't expect to get enough points from it to matter too much.

Try the same settings with 1.250V or 1.300V. Nah. At the end of the day it's not worth the effort. Not going to burn any calories on broken HWBOT garbage software released in 2011, LOL. I'll try one more time on a different OS and see if it works. If not, then I will move on to something else. Works fine on the Dark with the 4090.

I've never owned memory that had two XMP profiles from the manufacturer. I have added my own second profile on DDR4 using Thaiphoon Burner, but none I have ever purchased or seen available for purchase have more than one. Maybe some of the DDR5 now have an Expo and XMP profiles. I don't know because I don't pay close attention to stuff related to Ryzen memory overclocking since it is not relevant to me. That is very possible. After asking the question, I installed it on the Z690 Dark and it functions normally. The 6900 XT also doesn't boost into performance mode. It is in some kind of in-between state about half of the normal 3D clock running the HWBOT version of Heaven.

I was going to upload these, but it appears the Catzilla web site is down. I don't know if that is temporary or permanent. So, I can't upload them to HWBOT without validation links. @Papusan or @johnksssis there a patch or something for the HWBOT version of Heaven benchmark? When I click the clicks to "take a screenshot" I get the error show, it closes and there is no file created to upload.

I suspect the value that you're seeing displayed as voltage in CPU-Z is not accurate. It is never vCore, and that is the one that actually counts. Your LLC setting can also give CPU-Z VID readings that are even more misleading if you don't know to ignore that number. On an ASUS mobo, if SVID is disabled it gets even stranger. That also messes up CPU Package Power measurements. I don't know why this has never been corrected. Probably because it's free, and sensors vary widely among mobo brands and models. I suppose we shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth. It would be best if that value was just removed from CPU-Z because it is not useful. Thank you. I'm really happy with it. Even more than I expected to be. I love this case. I have not run VRMark in ages. I can't even remember the last time I installed it. It used to be super buggy and always ended with a "Oops something went wrong" error right after the run completes and the score is being tabulated with SystemInfo enabled, so I quit using it.

I need to get one of those. Not just for the quality they bring, but I don't care for the way the cable looks coming out of the GPU with a big arch to it. Having the right angle will just look a whole lot better IMHO. I have a Cablemod Pro 12VHPWR cable, so it will compliment that nicely. The only one available when I ordered was the black and white. I actually kind of like it. Gives it a "racing stripe" look. I still would have preferred all back, but whatever. I will go with the silver version. It will compliment the Bykski block and chrome fittings. The stubby 8-pin to 12VHPWR adapters that all of the new GPUs ship with a just idiotic and super ugly. They wouldn't be so horrible if they made them 12-14 inches long, but the short pigtail approach is unacceptably ugly. Cheaping out on this while charging truly abusive prices for the GPUs shows us exactly what kind of sorry crooks we are dealing with.

Now I need to figure out how to push more voltage to the GPU core. And, I need one of Brother @tps3443 CPUs. These are without the LOD "legal cheat" mod, so I'd do that on the next submissions to HWBOT. HWiNFO64 is showing just over 600W getting pulled through the 12VHPWR cable and I'm seeing about 900W at the wall. https://hwbot.org/submission/5241160_ https://hwbot.org/submission/5241143_

I don't think that as long as the focus is on producing low-power, thin and light trash, using castrated firmware and severely limiting user access, and having everything soldered to the mobo, that they will ever be worth buying. That ship has sailed, and now it is sinking. Performance is important, but it's not the only thing that matters. The bar is set way too low on too many things relating to turdbooks. They are a waste of time and money, and only a moron would believe it is going to end well. They are accelerating on the wrong side of the highway with their engine on fire, but the mantra is "this in fine' and they have worn out "but, it's a laptop" excuse. They have painted themselves into a corner, using feces for paint. The only way out of the corner is to be OK with being soiled with another person's dung. I don't even want to be soiled by my own, much less that of others.

Laptops are a very foolish expenditure. If purchasing one is unavoidable due to a real (not perceived) need, one should try to determine what the lowest level of performance is that will serve the purposes of that need and strive to spend as little as possible, going no further than what is necessary to satisfy that need. The more you spend on "performance" the less reliable it will be, and the more fussing and maintenance it will require, and the more likely it will be to be disappointing due to the engineering defects and functional limitations that you paid extra for.

NVIDIA will never do the right thing for anyone other than NVIDIA. Truth be told, I don't think Intel, AMD or Micro$lop would either. They all suck in varying degrees of suckiness when you get down to the brass tacks. They are all selfish, dishonest control freaks and none of them truly have consumers for customers and they don't care what end-users want. They pretend to care when it is convenient, but actions speak louder than words.

We have no way of knowing if they have something pending. NVIDIA might be able to make a legitimate case that they only provide this to companies that sell licensed NVIDIA products, and now EVGA no longer is an NVIDIA partner selling licensed products. The Dark is E-ATX and has two x16, one x4 PCIe slots. If you do not mind me asknig, what is it that you do that requires 4 DIMMs and two TB ports? Just curious since you said "need" versus "want" and it seems that was not by accident.

You lucky dawg. I am jealous. You keep winning the silicon lottery, dude. The only time I ever won in the silicon lottery buying a new CPU, my CPU got killed by a defective suicide bomber Z490 Apex that took the CPU with it. Congrats. Again, LOL.

I forgot to mention that I used one of those old-school twin-edge razor blades that is very thin and managed to remove the tamper-proof seal on the GPU spring bracket screw with zero damage. It is flawless. If I should need to RMA I will be able to put that back and won't have to deal with any lame or bogus warranty fulfillment excuses on the part of the manufacturer. I also left all of the plastic on the cooler. It will look brand new when it is old if I put it back to stock. Amazon gave me a bunch of crap about the Liquid X return and something like a "final written warning" because of that seal being broken. This one will probably last me forever, or until I don't want it anymore, but at least I don't have to worry about stupid excuses.

According to that post, SLI requires a key for the firmware and NVIDIA won't provide one to them. It should not be hard to understand. They refuse to bow before the kings of trash. They have always done what is right and best for the people that buy their products instead of what they are told to do. That may prove fatal, because doing what is best for customers is against protocol. You do what you're told to do. It is like boxing or wrestling. The best fighter doesn't win. The one chosen to win wins. If the best fighter choses to win even when it is not appointed to him to win, his career is ended. He used his fighting ability and defeated the chosen one, now he is out of a job or worse for demonstrating he was better and for refusing to obey. They instead chose to follow the wisdom of truly great talent like Kingpin, Tin, Luumi and CENS and now there will be hell to pay for doing more than what was prescribed by the self-exalted gods they refused to worship. It would not surprise me if the evil leaders in PC tech maliciously attempt to destroy them. There is no room for excellence. If you don't kiss butt then you're out. They are also the only one left that hasn't made their software UWP filth. All of their competitors are butt-kissing slaves and muppets. I suspect Asus and MSI don't like having to do stupid stuff like making their software UWP cancer, or gimping their GPUs with locked down firmware trash, but they have been obedient servants, so they get to enjoy cookies and milk before bedtime.

Got it. Quality is outstanding, just like the Bykski block on the 6900 XT. Very pleased with it. Brand new... Paid $160 total, including tax and shipping. It came with all of the correct screws and pads... very easy installation. I added pads to the inductors (was intended for them to be naked, I think). Still no audible coil whine under 100% load. The only thing I wish Bykski would have done for both blocks is include a single-slot PCIe bracket with screws into the acrylic rather than using the stock PCIe bracket and no screws except the two that attach at the PCB. Fun facts: The Suprim X would overheat and go black screen with automatic fan curve around pass #16 in a 20-pass Port Royal stress test, as the fan curve did not allow the fans to boost to full speed quickly and stay at 100% Forcing max fans it would easily pass the same stress test with core temperatures almost the same (within 2°C) as the waterblock Internal case temperature during the max fan stress test reached 52°C (insane) but only 28°C internal case temps with the waterblock The backplate and metal fan shroud were almost too hot to touch with fans maxed out, and of course... there is the fan noise with the fans maxed out The backplate feels like room temperature with the GPU under 100% stress test with the waterblock, with the added benefit of zero fan noise So, chilled water benching coming this weekend... 🙂

QC has been an issue with ASUS for a few years, especially with their flagship models. Seems like they get rushed to market, overpriced and in limited quantities, for end users that strive to own the best to be their free beta testers. That kind of unacceptable approach to business going to eventually catch up to them, and I think it is starting to. They used to be top notch, but they haven't been for a good while. They offer some really compelling features and excellent functionality, but the inconsistency is what tarnishes things. I think irrational fanboy loyalty (the kind that ignores flaws) and favorable reputation based on their notorious history is what keeps them afloat. Some of this wouldn't be nearly as damning if their warranty options and service quality didn't suck. When you buy a defective piece of crap and it takes them 3 to 6 weeks to make things right it really makes them hard to love. Factor in the free radical cancer like Armory Crate and AURA and it's easy to end up in a not very happy place with them. When everything goes well, it can be an amazing experience if you don't count the nasty software filth.

Yeah, you even see that spelled out in black and white on eBay. If it doesn't say 2022 version, that is probably a piece of very conveniently omitted information and I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole if you cannot verify it. The people selling used mobos are going to be sure they let potential buyers know it's not one of the 2021 trash models, and the people looking to offload one released before 2022 know not to mention it in the listing. That's not to say that all of them released before 2022 were defective. Some of them were fine, but there is no point in taking a chance on ending up with someone else's nightmare if you can avoid it.

Oprekin.com in the "private builds" thread. Even Windows setup has a lot of the idiot option screens scripted into oblivion. Select keyboard, input username and password, and done. Roughly half as much worthless garbage processes running on a clean install before any tweaks... even less than Windows 7. Certainly not as good as Windows 7, but the best wPrime 32M score I have ever seen on Windoze 8/10/11. I was being facetious about the color thing. My favorite colors are black and white, with chrome accents, but those are not colors, so I digress. That new zombie shooter game that came with my 4090 is supposed to drop on Saturday. Don't remember the name of it. I can't tell from the trailers if I am going to like it, but it is open world so that alone is worth two demerits before you pass go. Based on my preferences, good games are very rare. I think some of the most popular releases suck. Having to temporarily install GeFarts Experience to redeem the code sucked. That cancer feces added about 1,200 registry keys and a couple dozen unnecessary processes. Revo Uninstaller is your feiend. Yeah, we're right in the middle of sad times for computer tech and gaming. Lots of worthless trash out there. It really does a lot to raise the all-core average clock speed, and I have never seen mine get that hot. They seem to run cooler than the P-cores.

The purple one compliments my Little Mermaid icon pack.

😝I literally just installed it, LOL. Haven't performed my UI customization yet, other than switching from drywall vomit light to tolerable dark. 🤣 But, it has StartAllBack integrated, so that was already done. I haven't even launched ESO yet and already only 60 processes.

Installed a totally gutted version of the Cancer OS to see if it benches better. No Defender (except firewall), no Windows Security components, no Windows Update. So far, no nonsense. Bykski block should be delivered tomorrow for the 4090 Suprim.

His rants are some of my favorite. I love his style of mocking trash in a level-headed way. And, he is usually correct. It's nice to see someone of Steve's stature on YouTube openly calling Armory Crate malware. I have always said that. Because it is. Based on how it functions, it is malware. The sheeple that gobble up this rubbish are brainwashed imbeciles. The brainwashing includes the idiotic and nonsensical branding propaganda plastered on the overpriced parts they buy. Jufes, the socially retarded potty-mouth a-hole, has a crude new rant that I totally agree with; ripping AMD a new one for their newest broken doggy poop CPU that Linus finally dared to call out for being a piece of trash. I also like his calling out Mr. Shill himself, Gordon My Dung, for pretending it isn't because he is a heiney-kissing fake reviewer. Linus deserves credit for being honest and calling it garbage and Jufes gives him credit for it between his episodes of self-aggrandizing back-pats and told-ya-sos.

Windows 7 works fine on both of my Z690 systems. Perfomance is better (as expected) than Windoze 10 or Winduhz 11. The wildcard is not the motherboard chipset or CPU. I am using modded drivers and some require no modding. The real problem is functional graphics and networking driver support. There are no working driver mods for the curent generation components that I am aware of. All of my attempts to mod drivers for 4090 have failed. The drivers install and then the components fail to work with Device Manager code 10 or code 43. 3090 works flawlessly on Windows 7. 4090 does not. Intel graphics do not work (discrete and integrated) and I am assuming that 7900 XT/XTX also has no driver support. WiFi 6 has no functional driver support. I have no doubt all of these parts would work flawlessly, but the hardware OEMs are deliberately and actively implementing measures that interfere with functionality because they are fundamentally evil people and corrupt control freaks that are guided by nefarious intent. To the extent we can facilitate their financial failure, we should. If we all do our part, we can reward their greed with record low sales and losses that are too great to be offset by absolutely absurd price gouging. We have the power to exact vengeance and deliver harsh retribuion. As much as it is fitting and deserved, I am skeptical that we will.

Yes, the Thermalright frames are great. I simply start all 4 screws so the treads are engaged and go in a criss-cross pattern using the Torx wrench pinched between my thumb and index finger on the upright shaft part of the wrench. As soon as I cannot tighten them more pinched between by thumb and finger I stop tightening. I do not use the L-shaped top for added leverage to tighten further. Then I allow the waterblock to press the CPU into the socket the rest of the way. You're right, though. I do not believe you can easily overtighten with the Thermalright frame because the base makes contact with the motherboard and can't press the CPU into the socket any deeper.