Mr. Fox

Nope, no rule against it. Windows 7 rules with CPU performance and it shows in things like wPrime and 3DMark 11 and Sky Diver physics performance. W8, 10 and 11 suck and get utterly destroyed by W7. The reason Time Spy won't run on W7 is they know it would totally wreck the scores submitted with W10 and W11.

I don't think he knows what he is talking about. Lack of experience with EVGA as a company and their excellent support, and lack of experience with how to get the right results with the EVGA firmware are pretty evident. If you learn how to use it, I think it is better. What I think he is right about though, is a noob that doesn't know what they are doing should not buy a EVGA Dark motherboard. It is not designed with gaming as a focus. It is not built for weekend warrior nonsense like TVB overclocking or applying an XMP profile and calling it good. It is built for overclocking and manual tuning. Period. They won't be happy because it works different than an ASUS mobo and they won't get any help figuring out what they need to do differently to get the results they are looking for. The real problem with ASUS is QC, reliability and truly horrible anti-customer warranty support. Their community is nice, but it doesn't do jack when the part fails and ASUS treats you like crap. It seems evident to me that they don't care about the people that buy their products. Their behavior leaves room for no other conclusion. While excusing themselves from GPU sales rather than kneel to NVIDIA may ultimately hurt EVGA in the long run, I respect them immensely for refusing to become a boot-licker. That might not keep them in business, but I wish more AIB GPU partners would take their approach and either tell NVIDIA to take a hike, or join force to form a mutiny, ignore NVIDIA and do things the right way. They won't though. They're too busy kissing booty with the Jolly Green Giant and the Redmond Reprobates to do the right thing. It really boils down to what you are willing to put up with. Seeing how you spent so much time and effort to get higher benchmark scores, I can pretty much guarantee you that installing Windows 11 is not going to help you accomplish that. By default, it will take you in the extact opposite direction. If you want to just install the OS and use it and don't care about the intent behind the design of it, and you're just going to play games and use it, and don't care about getting the best benchmark scores, then it is really nothing more than an extra-ugly reskinned version of Windows 10 with added telemetry, extra bloat and a default GUI that is less functional. The worst part of it is how insanely ugly and dumbed-down it is by default. I won't use it that way. It's absolutely disgusting. All that said, if you actually want to tweak the snot out of it, enjoy breaking things on purpose, and enjoy spending the time and effort needed you can make it perform pretty much the same as Windows 10. This is where I am on the spectrum. I want to break things in Windows 11, and I want to do things with it that the idiots that made it do not approve of. I know the Redmond Rugrats are never going to do what is best for anyone except for themselves. They do not care about doing the right thing. They do not care about user privacy, and they could not care any less what users want or don't want in the OS. So, I am also concurrently focusing on making Linux a replacement for Windows so that when it gets to the point that I am done with their nonsense I am prepared to live life without Micro$lop feces. They are not deserving of any form of acknowledgement, respect or consideration, so we should give them any.

Right. You can't truly fix everything that is wrong with it. You are merely treating symptoms and not curing the disease. All you can do is make it less disgusting visually and less inefficient to navigate. You can remove or disable some things, but it's still going to ultimately be the same botched up and bloated cancer OS under the hood. In additional to removing Defender AV, there are dozens of worthless services that can be removed, or disabled if the idea of actually physically deleting Services scares you. And, you can remove garbage like the free M$ Office, OneNote, OneDrive, Teams and Edge browser using Revo Uninstaller Pro. You can also disable Micro$lop Updates. A side benefit to removing Defender AV is that it often seems to break cumulative update packages. They will try to install and fail, so that is a good enough reason all by itself. If you want to update the OS you can always download the ISO from Micro$lop and do an in-place upgrade, but then you have to go back and redo a lot of what you spent time tweaking. But, you won't have to reinstall most software applications. An in-place upgrade usually requires reinstalling StartAllBack and redoing the tweaks.

Nice scores. Looks like a very good GPU, as it should be for the price. Probably best to use anti-sag bracket anyway as you have, just to keep stress of the weight off of the PCIe slot even though sagging is not an issue with the stiff GPU. While it won't fix the underlying issues with the OS in general, StartAllBack will fix the most troubling (disgusting) aesthetic aspects of the atrociously ugly GUI. You can use the script to remove/destroy Defender AV as well, and that help fix some things.

Right? Personality, political correctness and optics over constitution, freedom, sound policy, national security and prosperity. It's scary how the wacky nutjobs have come out of the woodwork in the past two years. What an absolute mess. Not my circus, not my monkey. If they get away with election fraud during the next election cycle for a third time, it is going to be very bad. If they don't get away with it, it's still going to be very bad. They'll be equally crazy and intolerant no matter who gets elected if it is not another totalitarian lefty.

The pinout is the same, but they use some typically unused pins for adding power rails that the MXM standard does not use.

I could not tell from the video because I could not see the entire GPU. You do have the auxiliary power cord connected at the top edge of the GPU, correct? It cannot function without it. It is not clear if they will release an X670. They are usually late to the party, so they might. I've not heard or read anything suggesting they will. But, I do not think the X570 Dark was as successful as they had hoped, and if memory serves me correctly it was their first ever AMD board. By the time they made it to market most of the people that were going to go with an X570 platform had already bought something else. Rumor also has it that they had some trouble getting AMD to approve of the BIOS being done in the typical EVGA extreme performance focused kind of way, and we see how that turned out with NVIDIA's control freak approach to things. (EVGA ended the relationship rather than submitting to NVIDIA's demands.) The ASUS Crosshair X570 firmware was a totally botched up mess because of AMD insisting that ASUS inject their dumbed-down firmware options. ASUS mingled that "approved" mess with the way the firmware should have been, and that made for a very clumsy UEFI environment, with conflicting and incompatible options.

Four sticks of DDR4 overclocked poorly compared with two sticks and that problem is even worse with DDR5. Best configuration for memory overclocking is two modules and a two-slot motherboard.

Nice. You are using it on your GPU? Temps are the same or better than something like KPX or Kryosnaut? Did you have to order the PTM7950 from China, or did you find a "normal" channel to purchase?

OK. I have to ask... PTM7? I know that as a Weller soldering iron tip, but I suspect that is not what you are referring to based on the ellipis between the digits.

I've never heard of this before. Have you guys? https://www.basemark.com/benchmarks/gpuscore/relic-of-life/ 3090 KPE Stock 4090 Stock Bright Memory: Infinite RTX Benchmark 3090 KPE Stock 4090 Stock

I do not remember. He may have. Temps are in that range. The memory ran 10-15°C warmer on the Liquid X because the cooling of the memory was passive rather than active.

Hopefully they will give me a refund and I can either buy nothing or just get the cheapest 4090 available. Based on most of the information available, the standard $1500-1600 4090 Zotac, MSI Trio and PNY options are so close in performance to the most expensive options available, and maximum overclock limits are within such a small margin that it makes no sense to spend more for something better that isn't actually better. I doubt the chilled water cooling would change anything for the better on the memory. The Strix actually runs cooler on the memory than the Liquid X did. (The Liquid X AIO cooling is only useful on the core. The memory and hotspot temps were higher due to the flawed AIO design. This is also true of memory temperatures on other GPUs that use an AIO due to flawed AIO design in general, not an MSI flaw.) The only likely benefit of the chilled water would be higher boost clock due to lower core temperature. Edit: Looks like poor memory overclocking is an inherent shortcoming for the Strix 4090. I don't know if it is a coincidence or a design flaw on the part of ASUS. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4090-strix-oc/41.html

I have been in contact with NewEgg. They offered to exchange it, or request an exception for a refund from the warehouse. I will find out on Monday if they will make the exception and offer a refund. I hope they will allow a refund, but if not I will exchange it and pray that the replacement is as good or better than the Suprim X. Either way, I think I am done for good with ASUS. I have said this before and I need to stop making exceptions and giving them second chances. The only products they make that I haven't had issues with are the budget and mid-range motherboards. All of their top shelf products have turned out to be garbage in my experience. I believe one of the memory chips is defective, but I cannot test GDDR6X with MATS to confirm that. I can pass Unigine Superposition at +1350 on memory. If I set it to +1375 it black screens and will not run +1350 again unless I disable ECC. EU and other countries have stricter rules for some things like this. I can exchange it within 30 days, but I am not guaranteed a refund, thus I asked for an exception. At this point I think I would be better off with a refund, because the replacement might not be any better and my preference would be to not have another ASUS video card. If I can get a refund, I am not sure if I will replace it or just keep using my old GPUs. I'm not enjoying any of this right now. If I do get a refund and replace it, I will try to get another Suprim X (non-liquid, as I did not like the AIO and would plan on blocking it anyway).

None that I can detect. I am praying it dies very soon and has to be replaced, and that the replacement won't be worse. I am going to run the dog crap out of it to see if I can kill it. I've never hoped a piece of hardware I purchased would die under warranty, but ASUS needs to stop selling broken trash. This is NOT an enthusiast product. It's another pile of crap they sell to enthusiasts like everything else they sell to them. They need to get out of the business if this is an example of their top shelf feces. It was super stupid of me to expect anything different from their loser organization.

^^^Better product^^^ I spoke too soon. Crappy silicon for an extra $200. Thanks, ASUS. Should have waited for another Suprim X. I hope it dies under warranty so I can try my luck in the silicon lottery over again. Memory maxes out between +1350 and +1400. Suprim X had no issues with +1600. I can't match any of my Suprim X 3DMark scores, so it is as worthless to me as tits on a boar. Left a pretty ugly 3-egg review for ASUS. My fault for choosing ASUS... again.

Thank you. It is a nice GPU, but I actually think the Suprim is nicer looking. My preference was the Suprim, but Amazon could not exchange the one that failed (no stock). It really sucks because the one that died was a superior silicon sample. Core and memory both overclocked really well. I think better than this Strix, but I haven't spent enough time with the Strix yet to know for certain. Now that I wasted $200 extra on the Strix, the Suprim is available at NewEgg. The best 4090 GPUs are Galax HOF, Suprim, Strix and FE (in that exact order). Everything else has weaker power delivery and compromises. The Zotac AMP AIRO is actually really decent, but anything else is underbuilt and probably isn't suitable for severe overclocking. Here is the info: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1461611-rtx-4090-vrm-meta-analysis-and-feaib-comparison/

Well, so far, so good. I just installed it a few minutes ago. Memory issues ruled out (job #1) from what I can see. Don't know how far the OC will go on core or memory yet. Hoping a Corsair GPU block will be enroute soon. Haven't peeled any of the plastic off yet. The only thing I am puzzled about is the OC vBIOS still allows the fans to turn off at idle. So, I am manually setting them because I do not want the fans to ever turn off for any reason. Things get warm at idle without fans running, and I don't need silence.

When the motivation make money to the exclusion of doing what is best and right for the people they collect that money from becomes evident, I think it is appropriate to regard that behavior as evil, wicked, self-serving and a totalitarian approach to business. Maybe some will disagree, and that's fine. I appreciate not having to deal with idiotic woke censorship in this pure tech forum. The world around us is crumbling because of it. I'm not concerned about people looking for reason to claim offense to word choices they don't like or other forms of virtue signaling and left-leaning political correctness. That's just what they do.

That would be really nice, but a window-mounted chiller would not work for me. It would be perfect it if would. My office window is designed in a way it would not work. I would have to replace the window with a different type. Plus, it is visible from the street and my HOA would go berserk and fine me if I had something visible from the street like that. Since you are kind of out in the boondocks, you probably don't have to care about an HOA or obey special rules like that. @tps3443we should start using high output pumps like these (which is what @johnksssis using last time I saw his setup) instead of weak computer pumps. The cheapest one is about 4 or 5 times more volume than a D5 pump. https://www.penguinchillers.com/product/danner-water-pumps/ These Penguin chillers are really nice and would be a good way to go. It is not as big as I thought. Maybe I could fit one in my office window and hide it behind a shrubbery. https://www.penguinchillers.com/

I am not sure how Brother @tps3443does his, but I have Koolance QDC filling that allow me to disconnect the radiator and route the water through the chiller only and all three D5 pumps, simply bypassing the radiator. It can be changed in a matter of about 5 or 10 seconds. edit There you go ^^^ We replied at exactly the same time, LOL. I do not run my chiller all of the time because it is too hot in my office already, even with my central AC running 24/7. The chiller is always connected and adds additional water capacity (very beneficial) but I only turn the chiller on when benching. Otherwise the heat is unbearable. When my thermostat is set to 70°F my office is usually 75°F and the rest of the house is chilly. If the chiller is running, it heats my office up to 80°F or higher during the summer.

If you bypass the radiator it will get the water at or below 0°C if you wait long enough. The radiator being in the loop actually "heats" the chilled water.

@Papusanhere is your new target for a fellow 4090 HOF owner. I am sure Rauf will appreciate it when the Snowman takes his gold. Especially since you paid for your stuff with your own money. https://community.hwbot.org/topic/223660-rauf-geforce-rtx-4090-34951515mhz-21825-marks-3dmark-time-spy-extreme/ Rauf - GeForce RTX 4090 @ 3495/1515MHz - 21825 marks 3DMark - Time Spy Extreme - Result Discussions - HWBOT Community Forums COMMUNITY.HWBOT.ORG Can any of the mods please recalculate ranking, my old, deleted non-ecc score is blocking this.

It is a joke, but we moved on past that. Yeah, click that link and you'll see what scam we are talking about. Total ripoff. 14:27 No, you need a desktop that doesn't get hotter by the second while you are using it.

I think you misunderstood what we were talking about. We were not talking about that Clevo from Cyberpower that @tps3443mentioned. Besides that garbage MSI desktop joke, I was commenting about the scam in the video. See the link 14:27