electrosoft

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

I know you could make it better 🙂

 

 

@electrosoft Will you still try out your CM adapter replacement or have you asked for the v1.1 ? And how smart.... A re-call would destroy profits and reputation @Rage Set Better send out an email with coupon code so you can get vr.1.1 for free. Cheaper as well.

 

I'm more than good with the tentacled monster in there. No need for the adapter except for aesthetics.....

But if they want to send me a 1.1 sure....why not? 😆

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

u might wanna drop the FCLK down to 2000. Mhz. i did extensive testing and found that u get a bandwidth and latency performance bump when keeping MT/s to FCLK ratio at 3:1. so 6000 to 2000 / 6200 to 2067 / 6400 to 2133 and so forth. other users i.e. on overclock.net found the same.

 

also, try to up both soc voltage to 1.25-1.30 and vddp to 1.15-1.18 to get more leeway for tightening timings. the rest is just elbow grease, tighten a timing, test with karhu/tm5/memtest86, find the tightest stable setting, move on to next timing, rinse and repeat...

This exactly. 👊

Keeping things within AMD's ratios even with promises of proper async performance still works optimal.

I moved back to AMD ratios over a month ago after realizing at best it was almost as good. At worst, it performed worse overall most of the time even if only marginally in pockets.

With the limited headroom we still have for most IMCs, you will almost always find tighter timings at 6000 > looser timings at 6200/6400.

I posted on this a bit ago with a video from Ancient Gameplays going into a basic overview of memory timings/tweaking/whys for AMD AM5 and DDR5.

With the added heat/tight environment of a laptop, I'm not a huge fan of upping the SOC but maybe in pockets for pure benching but not D2D.

2 hours ago, seanwee said:

Personally running the Strix Scar 17, I'd guarantee that the cpu will thermal throttle.

14 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Even at a max watt of 50w?

It does have a thermal limit of 89c vs 100c for the normal variant.

My main issue is the price since a normal Strix Scar 7945 w/ 4090 is ~$3300. How much will this special edition be?

The good news:

The 7945HX3D is available August 22nd

The bad news (depending on who you are), it is only available on one specific model from Asus The ROG Strix Scar 17 X3D 4090

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

For the pict lower guy @electrosoft Crocs.................. Its' all about what you werar.......... Help....

 

sorry Edit GTX 980Ti HOF

 

 

 

My litttle daughtr have been alle the Asisa... Seen every thing. Me... Love the old : 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm conflicted....

I love seeing the beautiful picture of you and your daughter along with that KFA2....

...but those Crocs. 🤣

No 4090ti?

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-rtx-4090-ti-is-reportedly-no-longer-planned-next-gen-flagship-to-feature-512-bit-memory-bus

This makes sense considering how powerful the 4090 is compared to every other GPU out there and overall lackluster sales this generation. Even slapping on 3D cache won't save the 7900XTX.

Couple this with ADA-Next not due till 2025 means ride your 4090's for a full two years+ (Well, those of us who bought ours early this year / late last year).

On 7/26/2023 at 1:07 AM, Clamibot said:

 

I haven't had any issue with my 6950 XT so far. It has worked perfectly. My guess would be your issues are either hardware related, driver related, or a combination of both. Perhaps the driver for that particular GPU just isn't any good.

 

In any case, you could try using Rivatuner Statistics Server, which comes bundled with MSI Afterburner to limit/cap your framerate.

RTSS has increased latency. It should just be able to cap from the mothership but apparently it has been broken for years compared to Nvidia which just works out of the box.

This Redditor sums up the issue nicely in his frustration

New set of drivers dropped

I'm going to give it a clean install with these and Windows 10 vs 11 just to itch this scratch and see. 🙂

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 oh sorry to hear that man. looking forward to that post!

Right now, it crashes sporadically on startup and the screen is distorted. I have to unplug and plug the DP connector back in and Adrenalin reports it crashed, recovered and all settings have been set back to stock.....problem is it does this even if I don't change any settings.

Adrenalin refuses to frame cap. No matter what I do, it won't cap the frames so start up menus are shooting into the thousands and the coil whine is out of this world. There are also places in FO76 where fps shoot well over 200fps (thank you 13900ks) which can cause timing/control issues with the FO76 engine so I need to be able to cap it for that along with coil whine and the display cap at 144hz. I can tell WoW to cap the frames if needed but 99% of the time it has that 6700xt breathing heavy even at 1080p Ultra settings (IE Ardenweald is in the 80's Ultra settings, RT off).

Clocks keep fluctuating massively from ~2600 down to ~1000 or lower in FO76 simply by where I'm looking and fps plummet from ~100-120 to 60 or lower.  I'm looking into locking the clocks if need be but I shouldn't have to.  In WoW I don't have these problems for the most part. It seems overly sensitive to the load and is under performing.

I get this odd banding/stuttering in WoW.

I don't have any of these problems on Nvidia. It worked perfectly. I had run all these identical scenarios with my daughter's 3070 on the 22" 144hz display with DP before giving it a clean OS install with AMD.

There's also a chance it is the 6700xt card too. I could request a replacement and have access to both at the same time for a few days before sending back one (or both).

I might pull the 6700xt and use an extra NVMe and pop it into my daughter's 12500 system and give it a clean install and see if I can reproduce these issues. I know when I tested the XFX 7900XTX "X gonna give it to YA! Edition" I did not have any of these issues either but that was back in January. It just under performed overall at that time but at least the clocks didn't dip all over the place or sporadic Adrenalin crashes on start up.

SFF update:

Everything installed and good to go hardware wise. AMD and their software is another matter. If I can't resolve some of these issues, I'll be switching back to Nvidia but that's for another post.

The 6700xt looks tiny in that 3 slot triple fan chamber in the front:

And close up ready for transport:

Once closed up, I tested WoW in the two known CPU and GPU killer spots aka Valdrakken (Slayer of CPUs) and Ardenweald (Slayer of GPUs). In Valdrakken the GPU will routinely sit at 40-70% because of so much player data versus GPU load but out in Ardenweald it will sit at 99%.

Just sitting in each zone for an hour, CPU topped out at ~58c which is great considering every  12th and 13th gen laptop would shoot to throttleville and it took a decent amount of tweaking to get my X170SM and (not so much) KM running in the 70's CPU wise with SL 10900k and what looked to be a good 11900k. Fans weren't even at 50%. This is with the ~$55-60 bargin basement, middle of the pack at best ID Cooling 280mm AIO. GPU in Ardenweald hit ~75c but even tested open case it was hitting ~72c. GPU fans topped out at 44%.

Initially temps were higher but once I removed all the heavy filters from all the sides, temps plummeted. That metallic mesh they use really hinders air flow.

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

new v1516 beta bios dropped for my x670eeeeeeee (how many extremes do we need in a product name? lulz) and i couldnt resist, flashed it and did some quick testing: it does indeed improve ram capabilities even at 1:1 synchronous / Gear 1, able to boot at 6600, currently stresstesting 6400. i was stuck at 6200 previously 🙂 good tweaking times ahead! 

That bodes well! I am stuck at 6200 for 1:1 too so hopefully this will bring improvements on the MSI side of things too.

X3D on laptops? Yessir!

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-rog-laptop-with-amd-ryzen-9-7945hx3d-cpu-has-been-listed-by-retailers

Ancient Gameplays with a nice breakdown of increasing AMD memory speeds.  Hopefully AMD can make major inroads with future releases to take better advantage of faster frequencies on DDR5 as right now AM5 feels like a 11th/12th gen mashup in regards to being able to properly take advantage of higher speeds (>7200) but we will see.

If someone is looking for a below retail priced 13900KS, the seller over on OCN has one left in his lot for sale an SP 107 for $620USD

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

watching it right now, you misheard. hes gonna use the evga rig as his workstation at work. the AM5 build is his private rig at home 🙂 but yeah, he does that a lot, just dumping drives from one machine into another, triggers me every time 🥲 

btw hes running a 7950x3d, but initially he was on a 7950x.

Sounds about right for me mishearing 😅 as I do end up working and watching at the same time and end up backing up parts of YT videos numerous times as my mind focuses on the task at hand. The more complex the task at hand the more I tune out (IE,  general surfing = follow accurately, Wordle/Quordle/Sudoku/etc.. = I follow fairly accurately, Working on hardware = 50/50, Xcode/VS = not so much, wife in my ear = not at all...automatic rewind ).

I didn't know he upgraded to the X3D but his problems seem to persist  with his Crosshair (along with him souring on Asus in general).

I'm with you on just moving drives from one system to the next. I have my drives and externals set up so a re-install is pretty straight forward. I even do it on my main rigs on what seems to be a monthly basis it's so streamlined.

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

nice i JUST saw that video drop before i check on NBT 😄 should be awesome!

Yeah if you listen he says he's going to just take his NVMe drives out of his current AM5 rig and drop them in and run this rig. That's JaySpeak for, "I'm giving up on AMD" 😉 He's had issues and problems with his 7950x build for awhile now.

It really does feel like the writing is on the wall for EVGA these days with chronic out of stock on just about anything new and lots of b-stock and refurb blow outs.

Hopefully not, but here is a last hurrah to everything awesome about EVGA:

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

I have a couple things in my cart, waiting for a new bios to drop, and the time to tinker. Still have a new Bykski water block to install 😒

Ditto. I plan on picking up a 8000+ set of sticks. I figure if it turns out to be a nothing burger this generation of AMD processors (but AMD setting the memory infrastructure for future CPU releases) I can just swap them into my MSI Z790i where I can push them to 8000+.

11 hours ago, seanwee said:

Get an elmor evc and pump that baby to 3.3ghz 

 

 

7900xtx is a good GPU for its price:performance. It does seem to scale better than Nvidia performance wise when overclocked and an overall worthy 4080 competitor for raw performance.

1 minute ago, Papusan said:

 

Here's the benchtable I talked about. Only one was left in the shop. $90 incl Norwegian tax. And all black as my crocs bro @electrosoft😁

Is that a new pair of crocs or do you just polish them daily? 😁

6 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

lets goooooooo! currently preparing my 6600 kit for warranty RMA at G.Skill in the Netherlands, curious to see how long itll take. So far the process was pretty smooth.

Holding back on tuning my new 8200 kit until the new agesa bios hits final status. dont wanna start all over switching from beta to final haha. especially not with smth as time consuming as ram tuning...

What happened to your 6600 kit?

I agree, I'm definitely stoked to get in there and start playing around with faster speeds and see what is what. Only thing with MSI is their BIOSes are almost always in a state of "BETA" I've noticed this over the years. You'll get 2-3 releases BETA then a final, rinse, repeat. We are talking months with BETA versions but at least they release them.

18 minutes ago, ryan said:

yeah I havent tried 32gb...im sure they are similar but 64gb was free, otherwise I would have went for 32gb...just was not expecting this much of a jump going from 16gb to 64gb

6 minutes ago, ryan said:

i already tested 32gb 40gb 8gb and 16gb dual channel helps with micro stuttering and more ram 64gb helps with vram bottlenecks..or not..lol..i just booted the benchmark up and tested it, im not sure why its averaging 12fps more and buttery smooth but I don't really care as this is the best thing that could happen to this laptop aside from a fire pit

Other factors can be at play especially timings (primary and secondary) along with dual rank to shore up the 1% and .1% lows to even out frame rates  along with memory breathing room to help alleviate stuttering.

Interesting GPU news update from Daniel on two fronts:

#1. Some preliminary AM5 testing faster DDR5 testing showing no gains 7400 1:2 vs 6200 1:1 (realistically 1:4 vs 1:2) but if it is close to break even at this point that potentially bodes well for faster speeds in the future unless IMC saturation at any ratio means no real gains so you're running memory faster to be running it faster unless the IMC can properly break free and scale in tandem (even if in fractional mode) like Intel does with their 12th+ platforms where 1:2 is consistent regardless of the frequency and truly pushes the IMC (AM5 seems to cap out much less than Intel for true IMC speed). I'm reserving judgement till we see some ~7800-8000 speeds tested properly (and in different scenarios)

#2. leaked comparisons of 13900k vs 14th and Arrow Lake showing minimal gains (and I do mean minimal) vs 14th but tangible gains with Arrow Lake.

#3. 4060ti 16GB is the hot steaming garbage we always knew it was for that price.

#4. 7800/7700 are shaping up to be better than expected

Good stock, OC, OC + SAM comparison of 6950xt, 7900xt, 7900xtx

I like Ancient Gameplays channel. He's a good source of all things AMD.

33 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

It's all clickbait at this point. For productivity, especially video editing, Nvidia is in the lead. On my "workstation", I am sticking with Nvidia for GPU and Windows. I will not let CUDA go until AMD has a GPU that can "translate" CUDA for proconsumer (I understand AMD is working on this tech currently). 

 

Gaming is a different story though. I game on my 6800 XT attached to my LG C2 all the time and I don't feel like I am missing anything. Some games I run at 4K while others, 1440P.

 

I am at a crossroads though. I want to upgrade this all AMD gaming rig. I am not sure if I am going to stay all AMD (AM5 and 7900 XTX) or go 14 Gen and Nvidia 4090 TI. I am still waiting to see when (not if) Nvidia is going to release the top Ada GPU.  At this rate, I may end up going all AMD again due to pricing. 

Spot on.

Especially for gaming: 6000 series was basically equal with Nvidia at 1080p, 1440p and competitive at 4k with RT off.

7900xtx is a price:performance monster compared to the 4090 especially with RT off for gaming.

AMD is still playing a game of catch up but they have made such magnificent inroads on the GPU and especially CPU front these last few generations.

I can't see abandoning AM5 for 14th gen this time around especially on a dead socket (albeit I don't think that matters much to us in this group).

I've contemplated (again) making my itx rig an all air cooled 7800X3D rig, picking up a 7900xtx and making my desktop Intel though (again) w/ Nvidia. Only thing is I would want to run a Taichi 7900xtx and that thing is a chonker.

28 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

  

Nope. It was too good to be true. They waited until the expected delivery date to let me know I could buy one at the correct price. I didn't and don't plan to.

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Yup. I have one that will be here tonight and I am going to do exactly that. I have the highly-rated 250W Deep Cool AK620 incoming for that three-way comparison. The AIO is still out for DHL delivery, but this got dropped a bit earlier today.

 

I had a feeling but you're fully protected from any scams so why not take a shot? Nothing ventured....

There are those three 13900KS chips for sale over on the OCN forums. That SP111 for $650 is priced properly and a known decent chip with a good MC.

So much for Brian's foray into using the 7900xtx as his main GPU (for now):

Reasons:

5 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Im excited for this! I will be looking for bios updates on MSI frequently, as will @electrosoftIm sure!

Absolutely! Nice surprise especially considering with 1:1 we were already maxed out with low tier memory speeds as 9000 is right around the corner with 10k on the horizon. AMD clearly sees bandwidth has its advantages. On the Intel side, there are plenty of benchmarks out there showing as DDR5 continues to gain in frequency it is finally vanquishing the last vestiges of any DDR4 superiority even at 1:1 and superior timings. I can see the same being true for AMD too.