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Yep, on this second card, hot spot and memory temps are still high. I reran Deus Ex Mankind Divided benchmark on this other Gigabyte 9070xt OC Gaming edition, and even with a 12700kf + DDR5 6400, it is capped out to 99% and scoring in the same neighborhood as my 9800X3D run with my original. I thought it might be the 9800X3D giving it a boost over your score, but the lower score must be another reason. 9800X3D + 1st 9070xt: 12700kf + 2nd 9070xt: I'll have to give these a whirl on my TG 8200 2x24GB sticks and see what works, nice! What socket 1700 chips are you testing? I might be interested in a few. As @tps3443 said below, you will need better cooling and XOC/Shunt to hold higher clocks depending on load as it is variable in game. There is one guy over on the forums with a few Gigabytes he is saying are golden and can game at 3300+ but we will see and what the game load is. I'm sure a shunt and block would allow me to fully, um, "explore" my voltage range. 🤣 That's the thing with these cards (well any GPU) it comes down to your rig, your settings, your tweaks, your ambient temps, your cooling and your games/benches. So many variables in play and you are absolutely correct. It also comes down to stability tests and what you're willing to tolerate. My small computer office stays now at a constant 75f+ and usually is sitting around 80f+ all day. When I game it heats up to 82-88f in here. You also have Nvidia and their drivers changing offsets and ranges it seems with each release atm. Sometimes for the good and sometimes for the bad. I've noticed this ever since the 5080 FE even. Many driver releases has resulted in different boosting/offsets/clocks. We're, what? 3.5 months into the launch and so many issues still being worked out with Nvidia. This might be their worst launch yet. But there's no doubting the 5090 is a beast! My criteria is zero voltage offsets, low noise and 3ghz+ clocks (and obviously low to no coil whine) and I am good to go. Anything else extra is gravy. 🙂 What is your max boost even unstable? Push to +400 up to +500 at +25 increments all sliders to max and see what you get. I said it before and I'll say it again. All roads lead to Rome when it comes to 5090 and what separates a "bad" sample from a "good" sample or "golden" sample when all are pressed under truly equal conditions is going to be a few hundred megahertz but watching the scramble is always fun to see. It will come down to all the criteria around the GPU itself outlined above. Definitely agree on shunting and blocking to fully realize a card's potential along with locking down better clocks for gaming. I definitely agree on the shunt and cooling. I absolutely expect your FE to shine when you shunt and block it. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing it on the chiller. I've never attempted to adjust my voltage. What is an EV2?

I double checked it with PX1 and AB. 🙂 I actually just used PX1 to boost it while having them running simultaneously. That is also when I found out PX1 was somehow tripping the power sensors detector on GT3. 🤨 But all three read the same. Also one reason why I decided on GT3 since it does everything I need and the others are kind of redundant but GT3 will freeze/lock up/crash randomly when setting it to launch with Windows so I manually start it. I did snag a shot of PX1 running too with GT3 when I was cross referencing earlier:

Depends on how you spend the day. There was three of us down in florida (myself, my lady and my daughter), and just to get into DisneyWorld was ~$600. $30 to park. There's 5 of them, so you're looking at ~$1k for tickets before you even step inside so $1400 is not unrealistic. We were down there for my niece/god daughter's birthday so I treated everyone to dinner for the character theme buffet and for the 6 of us it was ~$420 dollars. We each had an adult drink along with the buffet. When the day was done, the entire thing was about $1200. It was worth every cent to see my 7 year old niece experience that Disney magic for the first time with my brother and sister in law. Memories are priceless. Theme parks are definitely for those who aren't living pay check to pay check.

Yeah, I'm on 576.28 too. I did find 572.83 was better overall for clocks. The wife and I finished up some serious WoW'ing and off to bed she went room is toasty. I rediscovered my love of my ceiling fan since the 5090 install and warmer days. Seriously, when all is said and done, all roads lead to the same ballpark. Just slightly different seating. Only thing that will get you where you want to go on top of silicon is cooling and shunting along with all the tweaks the dedicated do to their environment/OS to extract every bit out of their cards. Me? Anything and everything I do is on top of my D2D bloaty OS. ------ +3000 / +496 maxed nets me ~3465 at ~1065-1070 on 576.28. I have 576.40 drivers downloaded but still waiting a few days to see which direction they go. The higher I pushed the offset, the lower the voltage dropped with no change to the cap out at 3465. +465 / +3000 and +496 / +3000 = 3465. Try lowering your offset to ~+465 and see if you maintain 3412 (don't forget to OC your memory too to max) and if your voltage goes up a bit. +496 / +3000 +461 / +3000: ----------- 5090 mobile getting raked over the coals by Jarrod.....

Well there goes my vertical mount..... 🤣 Sad really, because the card is solidly built all around.... With everything maxed, fans 100% to bring down the temps to sub 30c, I'm hitting 3348+ at +327 / +3000 1.105 which is my D2D. How high can you push your boost clocks locked just for no load / idle shiggles? Does it allow you to push past 3300? 3400? I did discover that running PX1 and GT3 will trip the power monitoring doing absolutely nothing and light them all up red randomly. In the end my check list is: No coil whine 3ghz+ gaming D2D profile at all times fairly quiet under load Gamerz branded colorz and lightz! (JK) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @tps3443 GT3 and PX1 are reporting a default PL of 107% not 104% so even a touch higher than you thought. 🤣 Agreed 100%. The pricing is just sick and gluttonous at this point but compared to other leisurely time pursuits, it is on the low end actually with an actual ability to recoup your investment and sometimes more. Can't say the same for many other pursuits but it still doesn't excuse the pricing.

No, I get the methodology. I also get why this approach is flawed and invalid. Do you?

True story, from the jump, I never, ever used the above approach (or facsimiles thereof from before) to calculate scores or ranking for 5090's before I even had a 5090. I want you to figure out why that is and why the above approach generalized is invalid. -------------- I am noticing this new 1401 BIOS, my system temps and especially idling temps are much lower. I'm used to seeing the nifty diagnostic LED showing temps in the mid 40s during desktop/light work, but it is sitting solidly in the low to mid 30s now doing the same stuff. This is with my exact same settings from before re-dialed in.

No, mine is 2977 @ 1.085. 🙂

Linus building out the fastest PC on the planet 9800X3D + Astral 5090 with Splave. Splave opted to go with the Taichi over the Asus.... Timestamped at the point they are "flashing a top secret unlocked BIOS" to the 5090: Note the (sorry you can't do this part at home).... Slider now goes to 120% Pulling 890w during the last run.... Watching all the pins trip red.... 🙂 Crashing and after a few more crashes Splave to Linus "Is your card worse than mine?" and a subsequent bit on Silicon Lottery. Kind of like a draw unfortunately. 😞 Was the Gene able to do 8400 too? And yeah, the Dashboard and higher resolution BIOS is always nice. 🙂 Yeah, I thought they were ok with it till it went off the rails at the end. I just kind of went, "whoa, whoa, I thought you liked it?" 😕 4k non G-sync was an issue. I don't like 4k panels on laptops. QHD for 17.3" or greater or FHD for 16" or smaller is my preference. I never had a problem with the trackpad but I'm a lefty. I don't know if that makes a difference. There is a new BIOS out for my unit I plan on trying along with tearing it down for a repaste and eval on extra copper under the hood soon as I get some time to start truly tinkering. As for pricing, yeah they've come down a bit. On launch, they had a "special" price of $3999.99 for the Raider 285/5090 then it went back up to its "regular" price of $4899 but was then almost immediately discounted to $4499 and now it's at a regular price of $4099. 6400 speed ram and 2tb SSD isn't terrible but still.... Even the normal Titan dropped below $5k almost at launch. 9950HX3D models are all I would be interested in on the top end atm for gaming for 5090s though as the overall uplift versus the previous generation is mediocre. I'm still waiting for Acer to send out their unit to me with a 275hx/5070ti OLED but they are currently switching distribution lines because of China tariffs for eval units because they will be hit regardless of import status. They had to push everything back to June according to their rep while they realign their supply lines. Here's the cure to all your ills Brother.... 🤣 Or step into the 2 dimm land of the Apex Yeah, this has rolled around in my mind for quite some time every since the launch of the 5090 series. The market continues to show Nvidia it can charge more and more for their halo products but I am a firm believer a product is only worth as much as consumers will pay. For the lower tiers, Nvidia has routinely hit walls or competition and has had to price down accordingly, but the top end? Sky's the limit and even 5080 AIB models have skyrocketed into formerly 4090 land and brimming on 5090FE/PNY/Gigabyte launch pricing. It really doesn't matter who won't pay but moreso who WILL pay. Supply and Demand baby......supply and demand..... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On another note, my friend finally wised up and I snagged an Astral for him from Best Buy and he sold off his FE for $3500 locally cash. I just had a chance to test it earlier today. It hit +3000 no problem on memory but it's boost lock is only 2919 and 2970 vs 2977 and 3060 on mine. Voltage is 1.065 and 1.085 max vs 1.085 and 1.1105 on mine. It also as quite audible coil whine but nothing compared to his FE which sounded like R2D2 taking a shot while navigating. We just finished up with a two hour FT jam session and I told him I could return it and wait for another unit if he wants but he still wants it and plans on blocking it (well, having his son block it for him) so off it goes tomorrow to its new home.

Once you block it and give it a little chiller love it will perk right up! That's what I'm waiting for. 🙂 -------------------- MSI 18 9950X3D/5090 Raider getting trashed for several reasons (display, price, trackpad, other) but remember, this is LTT:

@tps3443 I'll assume you saw this owner with a 5090 FE and a majorly nice top voltage of 1.125 on his FE over on the forums Ahhh, I see you did see it.... Yours topped out at 1.075v correct? If it's any consolation, my buddy's also topped out at 1.080. ~1.075 seems very decidedly average for FE cards which is good overall IMHO. I know that block will help those temps though. 🙂 As for Asus, they are the Lexus of the computer industry. Sure, a Hyundai will get you equally from point A to point B like an FE or PNY, but for those who want the full "luxury" experience (barf) and the extra bells and whistles, you pay more knowing you can get the bulk of everything for much less if that's your choice. ------------------------ Gigabyte 9070xt open box edition arrived today. Definitely not mine I returned as it had its PCIE cover and port covers intact but absolutely clean and pristine otherwise. Not one fingerprint on it. ------------------------ That is an absolutely gorgeous block, wow.....

BIOS 1401 on Hero x870e boots DOCP 8200 on the TG 8200 sticks no problem with this 9800X3D but those stock timings are ugh ----- I'll be real curious to see how it compares to the Gene and Aorus and if it's worth the lucre being charged for it. On the other hand, it is only $50 more than the Hero at this point so..... ------- Looks slick! I always liked the look of EKWBs. Aesthetically, they have been my favorite.

Welcome back bro! Did you pick up a 6000?! Nice! It will be good to see some 1DPC comparisons on a top tier board and if 8000+ is worth it on it. There are plenty of people with too much disposable income AND those with zero fiscal restraint via credit cards that continue to fuel the overt scalper markets who are snatching up everything for immediate markup and resell. 😞 I'm a firm proponent of the market setting its own conditions in regards to supply/demand but being in the business of just buying up everything with bots and middlemen just to jack up the prices and resell? That gives me pause. I have never, ever purchased anything marked up and never will. Asrock, what happen to thee? Their 600 series 1dpc cheap boards were absolute bargins and routinely beat much pricier options from Asus and MSI.

And that's with an avg temp of 76 no less. Shunt now, gather data then block later to reap the improvements for comparison. Post pics!

Weird but cool scenario. I had picked up a 13600kf chip used (I know, I know) for dirt cheap and it installed fine and posted but when I went to go install W11, I got a "Installation Failed" window during the decompression portion at the beginning. I tried again, same message. I created another on my desktop and tried to install with it, but same "Installation Failed" about ~6% into the decompression/install portion of the program. I then grabbed an image and restored it and booted into W11 with the 13600kf, but any basic stress test it crashed or error out. Tried loading in Wukong (shaders test) as the last test and it error'd out every time so yeah, degraded to heck. But here's the thing. I went to go use that same W11 media created on another system (laptop) and it failed at the exact same point. So I pulled out both an AMD laptop (AM4 based) and Intel (13th gen based) and tried to use the media and it failed. I created a new one on the same stick on my desktop and went to go install it and it installed fine on every extra laptop test system. I then tried to use it on the clearly degraded 13600kf system and it failed again during installation and then I tried to use it on the other systems and yep, you guessed it, installation failed on all of them. So clearly during trying to install on a 13600kf system that is degraded, it not only fails but somehow corrupts those files at that point in the process causing it to then fail on every other system tried. Fun. ------ I keep coming back to these pics because the angelic white contrast on the pump with the more subdued / silver white on the block just fits so well with the other blue themes..... Kinda how I felt with MSI's pricing with the Raiders this time around. $5k for the 9950X3D/5090 variant? They are daft for that..... Laptops, GPUs and Motherboards continue to trend up in pricing..... Hmmm, congrats on the order (again). What changed your mind?

Word on the street is Astral 5090 is going up to $3499.99 B&H already has it raised to its new price Hopefully the LC holds steady, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it climb to $3899.99

5080 FE shipped off today. Some other sales on Fleabay and just like that I'm almost at tax limit cap for reporting in the US for this fiscal year ($2500)...boo..... So as you know, I returned that 9070xt, but then it popped back up open box 10% off. I had some of the rewards left over from the Astral (picked up some USB drives) so I picked it back up because I really want to finish playing and overclocking it......so total cost after everything was $381. True story, as soon as I applied all my sell off items income earlier today in my "tech budget", after paying off the Astral and realized I still had a small buffer left over from this sell off and the holiday sell off even after deducting the cost of the Hero+9800X3D combo, TG memory and Astral, I was kicking myself for not holding onto it because I really didn't want to return it in the first place to continue to test. As luck would have it, I went to go do a refresh and it was still in my saved favorites with "see details" lit up and it literally just popped back up from an earlier refresh an hour ago while I was checking other items in there that forever never seem to come back in stock or go on a proper sale (I'm looking at you 13th/14th gen). ------- Final Boss Form for my system for the next few years. Everything tuned to my liking. Only thing left is to play with a few vBIOS and maybe push for a static 5.6+ OC. I don't know if I'll ever run a closed case again but if I do, it won't be this one but another that supports 140mm fans on the bottom, top, front and rear and I don't think that unicorn exists lol.... With it completely open, it is dead silent during normal use and even gaming I can keep my speakers down low if I want and still minimal noise from the GPU and CPU. Benching is also fairly quiet on auto. I have yet to purposely push the GPU/CPU fans to 100 yet for benching/testing (once just to hear how loud "bad" the Astral could get) but we know that's coming sooner than later.....

Intel is already making inroads down low and the 9070 series is selling so well Nvidia is rumored to be pushing up their time tables for Super variants with more memory. If there was no AMD or Intel, it would be so much worse. What I think is going to happen is they are going to get Intel'd. They are so focused on AI right now they have taken their foot off the brake and have taken on a mantle of arrogant presumption in the gamer GPU market. They obviously do care to a degree because when presented with real market competition, they responded appropriately. For example, they brought all the heat with the 4090 in response to AMD being so close with the 6000 vs 3000 top end series. They enhanced and lowered the price of the 4080 Super over the 4080 to compete with the 7900xtx on price and performance and now we see them upping their time tables on the 5070/5070ti Supers to counter what appears to be the wildly successful 9070/xt. But still, they are coasting in the lower and mid range a bit and I think it will cost them against the 9070. This is how you slowly lose a war. If AMD and Intel make enough inroads along with the AI market cooling off eventually, they may find themselves scrambling all of a sudden. 5090 is an absolute behemoth. No getting around that and it is vastly out performing day 1 reviews depending on game(s) played but the pricing is ridiculous. Even $2k for an FE is ridiculous. In no way, shape or form should we normalize that kind of pricing and think $2k for a consumer level GPU is "good." Instead, it is "less bad." than AIB pricing. But right now Nvidia rules the roost and I think of all the years I picked up Intel chips with Skylake++++ knowing it was a rehash or the same node because I'm an enthusiast and want to play with the newest toys. History continues to repeat itself... Yeah, I really think it will be it all over again with a $2499.99 6090 Founders at this rate and $3k-$4k AIB models to follow. Each cycle I get closer and closer to "launch day" for the new cards for selling my old cards and each time I'm finding out waiting till after for the inevitable shortage might be the right time to sell but I prefer a sure thing and not be overly greedy. I am more than content to break even or if it happens lose a little. If two years from now I can turn around and sell my Astral 5090 for even $3k, I am good to go and very happy. Break even or more? I'm over the moon.

The one saving grace, and a big reason I held onto my 5090, was the fact that cycle after cycle at the end I've been able to sell off my GPUs and make back everything I sunk into them or more since Pascal. Actually if I think about it since even my EVGA 980GTX's I sold off one when I found out WoW didn't scale with SLI and then the other right before I bought a 1080ti and got back the bulk of what I paid. Sure, upfront costs hurt but you know in a few years you're going to get back the bulk of what you paid if not more. Something to chew on....

It really depends on LLMs / AI tasks that require one, contiguous block of memory. That is why the M3 Ultra exists. M4 Max is superior in every way except the high core work (where the M4 is so much better it still competes well and excels even more in GPU workloads of many types), but what it can't do is offer that 512GB of unified memory for absolutely monster sized models. They are basically being snapped up for AI work. The same is with the 6000 and that ginormous chunk of 96GB of unified/contiguous memory. 4x 5090's can't compete on that level but in multi gpu supported scenarios, yeah. Of course the beauty of that is you can literally mix and match 5090's. It doesn't have to be one particular card. -------------- We would need to see the extra cores + DR memory in action..... .....assuming it can OC. That is the one big thing I want to see is if it can overclock both memory and core. If not and it's locked down you can literally overclock any garden mill 5090 to get the same performance if not more. We just need to find someone who not only gets one but immediately tries to OC the snot out of it....

Just sell your 5090 to offset the cost! Do it for the team! 🤣 I'm partial to Rolex's because my dad raised us on them, but Breitling's are nice too.

Yeah, I'm hoping someone from the forums splurges and goes to town on one of them. 🤣 I suspect they would make adjustments to the heatsink like they did between the 5080 FE and 5090 FE. Externally they look identical, but the 5090 FE weighs more and has been beefed up a bit internally.

Realistically, capped, any desktop GPU will fit in a laptop but Nvidia regressed when they basically did everything in their power to do away with MXM as a standard. I would love to see Nvidia enforced TDPs go away and let manufacturer's scale up to 300w+ If they did that, a 5090m would actually perform like a real desktop 5080. I've commented numerous times in the past on the bean counters just following marketing/sales data and going where the markets dictate. Big, thick and heavy laptops are going the way of the dodo unfortunately and the vast majority want thin and light laptops with as good of battery life as possible. Performance places a distant second to this criteria and the top selling laptops always bear out this point. 😞 I know right? And you know there are going to be some enthusiasts picking one up for the sheer leisurely love of it for that full fat die loving.... -------------------- Astral 5080 is officially now $1799.99 on MC, Amazon and Newegg shipped and sold by both.... Cheapest AIB 5080 on Newegg is $1389.99 shipped and sold by.... If trends follow, I would not be surprised to see the Astral go to $3599.99 and LC $3899.99.

Yeah I didn't say it was pretty. 🙂 I guess when you really want to know and get things moving and know what you're doing (I'll assume), you improvise. Temps were ~64c avg pulling all that extra juice so it's clearly working to a degree. Just good to see knowing you plan on shunting and blocking your FE. What block(s) are you looking at/ordering? I've always liked the look of EKWB but BP are cheaper are decently functional. Good luck cooling that OR having an old school luggable level laptop. SFF on the other hand? I'm looking forward to continued buildouts with it.... I've been collecting a lot of data on configs, cases, etc... all centered around the 5080/5090 FE design and a 9800X3D. Remember years ago we did have desktop equivalent power in a laptop with the 980 and the P870 laptops. Those were full on Desktop parts in a laptop using MXM. 1080 was also on the same level. Things started to diverge with the 2000 series as the power started to get slap happy and then 3000 series barely moved the needle forward in a laptop vs 2000. 4000 had a lovely switch to TSMC and a node shrink so with the 4080/4090 we got a nice bump in performance. Unfortunately same node as the 5000 series so the needle barely moved akin to 2000 vs 3000. The 5090FE main board itself is most certainly MXM sized but think about the sheer size and compact chunk around it to cool it down. That has to make it's way into a laptop realistically. In the end, you have a 500w+ part and that's just not going to work in any semblance of a modern laptop or even a P870 type where cooling 300w was state of the art and it was a brick house (I loved mine). It would take a homebrew tinkerer to try and really get an FE board and 9800X3D in some sort of all in one ~15-20lb "laptop" to work and I'm 100% here for it. Obviously at least a 780w external adapter. I mean, on paper it is kinda doable but just really ad hoc and specialized. I'm fully expecting a node shrink for the 6090. 5090 is pushing the boundaries as is and has extended the current node as far as it can go realistically.

FG aside (yuck), 5090 has some impressive gains in my testing over the 4090 and 5080. Pricing is absolutely terrible, but the performance is there. Down the rest of the stack, you either pay the same or even less for modest gains across the board. It isn't exciting, but it is still net positive across the board. It isn't like Nvidia provided zero up uplift and charged more. We need AMD to do what they're doing to the mid range with the 9070xt to the halo tier. Nvidia literally has zero competition. They didn't have it last time either with the 4090 but the 9070xt lowers the price (when MSRP), ups the RT but is basically performing raster wise overall like a 7900xtx. Demand has many 9070xt's priced like 5070ti's and as much as I like the 9070xt, if pricing is equal, I'm taking the 5070ti. ----- @tps3443 This is some serious levels of dedication to shunting and ad hoc cooling the 5090 FE!! https://www.overclock.net/posts/29462990/