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That's exactly what it means @tps3443..... Only an FE vBIOS variant will work on an FE not an AIB. 😞 I thought I remember reading that before with FE cards that's why I was asking because I was thinking of flashing either the Astral or Zotac vBIOS if possible on the 5080 FE. Go ahead and flash the Astral and see how it turns out. 5090 FE really is just not designed for a proper D2D OC and/or vBIOS optimizing from other AIBs. Irks me a bit with the 5080 FE to be honest. Best bet is to grab the cheapest non-FE if you want to vBIOS hop, slap a block on it and get to work.

Well, this answers the question 😞 Strike 2....

Is the 5090 FE capable of flashing other vBIOSes?

Hmmm, that is a possibility too. I am just going to give it its own cozy, comfy fresh install drivers only to start and go from there. Office is looking clean and organized! Yeah I'm at +3000 / +325 for pure stability without adding any PL/V fans on auto which is how I would run it D2D gaming/rendering. Stress testing, I started at +400 and that quickly dropped to +350 and extended testing dialed it to +325. Next will be retesting with PL/V limits pushed to max. (You know, the "hard stuff" 🤣) Might need to dial in a "Winter Mode" and "Summer Mode" at this rate of hades. 🤣 Ugh, as much as I want to see the FE on water It is going to pain me to see it dismantled from its stock, factory fresh beauty feat of engineering lol..... Can the FE's cross flash vBIOS? If so, that and a block will really let it fly.... 2nm Intel does get me jonsin' for it so we shall see.

Thanks @Mr. Fox! Yeah, something is off. My 9070xt: Maximum is in range, but Avg and Min is off. Compared to my 5080 FE same rig: Your numbers seem to be more inline with what I would expect to see fro a 9070xt. 5090 doesn't count. It is over here taking the wind out of everything...... The 9070xt was slapped in on a pre-existing install that has seen 3-4 graphics cards swapped in and out. I'm going to give it its own clean install and see how that does for re-testing.

It is a small office and I always keep the door open. It is even by the blower/intake but I found the 3090 was ok. 3090ti was not as it tipped over that point where the open door could keep it cool. I think somewhere in this thread I even noted the potential issue of the 5090 turning my computer room into a sauna seeing as the 3090ti already did it and it was pulling ~500w max. Crazy as I was playing watching the temp on my wall clock just keep climbing lol. 4090 was perfect as it always came in under 500w unless benching even pushed in WoW. 5080 FE obviously is even better never going above ~325w in WoW. It was only ~80f outside today. This will be unsustainable in the summer where it will routinely be 90f+ daily and in the 80's at night. The one good thing with a good overclock is better lows even with fps capped to 144 to keep temps down but sheesh. Even the CPU temps went up. When the room stays around 70f, CPU temps are in the high 50s but with the room hitting 83f+ it was hitting ~65c. First World Problems.... 🤣

NOTE: This was playing completely uncapped as I was searching for a GPU Util >=99% spot while playing. If I cap it back to 140fps, all these # will drop accordingly while also boosting lows OC'd. --- And as we start to head into the warmer months (and it is going to get MUCH warmer), my biggest fear (and previous downfall) is ambient temps in a small computer room with a portable furnace pumping out 550w+ of heat..... I had this problem with the KP3090ti when it was pulling ~500w playing WoW OC'd and now here we are with 600w. It was one of the factors of why I sold it off as it was basically unusable as is in the summer and I had to UV it to make the room usable. 4090 ran cool enough with a UV that the room would usually only heat up maybe ~5c tops overall as the heat output equalized with the cool air exchange via the door to keep it relatively even. Room started at 68f and less than a few hours room was 84f and climbing playing WoW which causes the GPU and other components to heat up lol....Every once in awhile the central AC would kick on and push it back a degree or two but then it turned off because the rest of the house wasn't roasting on Satan's arse..... When I stopped playing within ~30min it had dropped down to 73c and falling.... Stepping out of the room into the rest of the house is like stepping from outdoors on a warm to hot day into AC.... This was not a problem with the 5080 FE obviously as it ran cooler than even the 4090. This is less than two hours of WoW +3000/+350 no PL/V adjustments and the room is flat out toasty and yes the door is WIDE open. If I have to apply a major UV just so my computer room doesn't go KABOOM! What's the point? Wonder if I can find a device that will fan my door back and forth? 🤣

Maybe "fun stuff" would have been more appropriate.... 🤣

I honestly did not think a 5090 could NOT do +3000 hmmmm.... I haven't really collected a lot of data yet, but I also assumed everybody could do at least +300 (I assumed every 5090 out of the box could at least do +3000/+300 as a starting point) and most could do +350. I can do +3000 / +350 with zero PL/V adjustments and that is just how I've been running it the last few days rock solid with PX1. I was going to start testing for max PL sliders / voltage next week to find the "hard stuff" That was my bad for not collecting results like I normally do with CPUs......

This in spades. Get *exactly* what you want within the criteria you want. There was a reason I had the FE, Suprim and Astral (small, medium, large) on my list with their own criteria each. I said it months ago, whichever one drops first at MSRP I'll grab it. Only exception really is if you plan on blocking the card then grab the cheapest one possible that supports cross vBIOS flashing and the block you want and go. This test is noise normalized so not exactly representative of top end cooling, but it still gives you a very strong idea of controlled cooler strength. Like I said @tps3443 you can't out argue physics. 🤣

@tps3443 this is your one friendly wall of text to answer all your posts. 🤣 ----- You gotta stop bro! This has always been your Achilles heel. 🤣 You will "Gosh Golly!" a product you own to S tier like a pro! 🤣 Yeah, I saw the FE at 104% +3000 in sustained action and those fans had to RIP and it couldn't sustain the clocks long term playing even Fallout76 at 4k Ultra which hits much lighter than WoW. With a good UV it is giving you the bulk of that performance at much better, sane temps and less noise. That is where it shines to compensate for the lack of cooling vs an AIB (and MSRP price). That's the problem. It isn't in the same league on every level in terms of cooling. It just isn't. Physics have spoken. Optimal cooling is not its strength. I spent over two hours working with his and him with mine and in the end, he wanted to trade even more. Even at stock, my 5080 FE can spin up like a champ gaming and it's almost half the power draw of a 5090 FE which is only packing ~250g more mass internally than a 5080 FE. See that WoW shot from earlier? I left it there running and the clocks were pegged to 3262mhz the entire time with temps never breaking ~63c. That is +3000/+400 and PL 100%, voltage +00. I haven't even touched increasing power levels or voltages yet in all of my testing so far. The strength of the 5090 FE has been and will remain its compact size and ability to contain that heat adequately enough to perform to spec at a proper MSRP. It's very design screams for a UV which you dialed in nicely. Take the win on that one. When the XOC BIOS hits the Suprims and Astrals are ready as shown already with the shunt modded Astral able to handle 1000w on 100% fans and still sit at 70c. Think about that...... Playing WoW with a daily profile hitting +3000mem / +400 3262mhz no PL/V adjustments, temps stopping at ~66.8c and fans sitting at 50% or less and leaving the 9800X3D choking for air to try and keep up with it. This MAY change if I can find harder hitting spots that can tap out the 5090 at max settings. Think about that.... Blocking it? Yeah, that levels everything but there is no way I'm tearing apart an FE to block it. Then it loses everything magical and unique that makes it an FE. I'd run the FE immediately with a UV and have fun testing it in SFF builds when it wasn't in my desktop doing a perfectly average job but doing it well enough. I've discussed this numerous times in my breakdown on my preferred 5090 models. FE is price and compact size = SFF dream card. Astral = cooling and all the little extra bells and whistles including pin monitoring. Suprim because I like MSI and it fits nicely (or did) right in the middle price wise and I love its design too and it has a pretty beefy heatsink also. I think all three cards look fantastic and FE price is MSRP so saving ~$1400 always feels nice. 🙂 Did you miss the part where any thoughts of trading with him IMMEDIATELY went out the window when I heard that coil whine. I'm not sure if it wasn't a mix of coil whine and the electrical noise that's been reported. I know on my 5080 FE I didn't hear anything even remotely close to what his 5090 FE sounded like. I actually was on YT trying to find similar coil whine. It was close to my 3090 FE. I haven't heard yours yet at >200fps yet, but I know it can't sound like his (or does it?). Low to no coil whine is my #1 criteria. I've said this for years and that will never change. It could be the most golden of golden samples hitting 3500mhz out of the box spitting out Jensen signed leather jackets and I would still jettison it ASAP if it has too much coil whine. It could be the worst clocker in the history of 5090s, but if it has no coil whine at all I'm all in and would keep it no questions asked. I was literally holding my breath with my Astral when I pulled up TS the first time because at that moment you will immediately know if you have a quiet card or a coil monster nightmare. If it had bad coil whine, I would have returned it immediately and sullenly waited for another FE, Suprim or Astral at MSRP to cross my path. I guess your logic is to trade for the 5090 FE, resell it, pocket the $$$ and wait to pick up either another 5090 FE, Suprim or Astral at MSRP and play the noise/coil whine slot machine again? Plus we don't know where the markets are going right now either? No thank you on that.

Agreed, there is zero argument for price:performance for the FE models relatively speaking. 5090 FE is crazy sleek IMHO (I just love the way 5080/5090 FE's look), SFF ready (you're gonna need a direct pass through to immediately vent all that heat) and the price can't be beat. Those are its strengths hands down, no questions asked. My original list still remains: FE, Suprim, Astral. I'd be happy with any of them and for different reasons for each. Wow, a blast from the past! Cablemod strikes again.

That is EXACTLY what I told him to do! 🤣 but he doesn't like the idea of having extended downtime looking for an Astral at MSRP with current market conditions. If you find someone who wants to trade an Astral (either model) for a 5090 FE, let me know. I can't think of anyone who would want to do that seeing as the Astral is superior across the board except in price, but you never know. BB did have a drop on the 17th of 5080 FE and 5090 FE and people did get the call for VPA this last week as noted before so they're back to dropping them so that's a good sign. Glad to see BB back in the loop too so they're pumping them out. If I was him I would sell that coil whine monster for $3.5k and wait for an Astral to drop to snag it. The fact the FE's sell for $3.5k isn't because they're an FE. It is because ALL 5090's command at least that much regardless of model. Scary to think they used to sell for $6k+ at one point. Shows the market is still normalizing.

No rush brother. It gets done when it gets done. Real life trumps fun time always. Wow, so just the chiller now? I can't stomach $1700 for a 4090 at this juncture. I see you already got a response over on the forums about the 870e Apex. 🙂 "This is like pee in the water. Won't help much." - LOL I'm not sure what the problem is, but I do feel like AIBs are holding back and/or redirecting cards elsewhere like discussed earlier. But as you noted too, MSRP cards still sell out pretty quickly. The problem is scalped cards but at least those are languishing now a bit not moving like before. Any decently priced MSRP card from the 5070 on up continue to sell out in the US pretty quickly. I was sadden to see another $6k bundle on NE for the Astral slowly, but surely, sell out again. The pro are everything in it is MSRP. The con obviously is everything an Asus fan boi could love is required to get it. Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen a 5090 that can't do +3000 lol but I'm sure there are a few lame ducks out there. Clocks wise, I am finding 576.02 is not allowing me to clock up as high with 572.83. Which drivers are you running? I know a lot of 5090 owners are sticking with .47 as the "best" I might either go back to .83 or .47 for benching but for D2D I tend to stick with Nvidia updates as they flow in. I did do a sloppy upgrade install though so keep that in mind. I'm do for my once a month clean install anyhow (Something I've done for 25+ years....don't ask me why) so I may go back to .83. 5090 FE cards are just meant to be UV'd due to design. You just don't have the headroom to do much more I found out really sitting on FT with my bud who wanted to swap his 5090 FE for my Astral. It just doesn't have the headroom like the Suprim, Astral and just about any other decent 5090 heatsink and especially LC models. But a 5090 FE UV nicely in a truly portable (not these pseudo SFF builds I see that aren't really portable) SFF and with a tuned 9800X3D? Mmmmm, that would rip. Yeah, me and eBay are about to get re-acquainted as I turn my store back on to list some hardware along with locally too. That BB bill isn't gonna pay itself and it now has currently the 5090 Astral, 5070 FE and Gigabyte 9070xt on it. This. Overclocked on mem and core, my noise level is the same which is sub 50% on fans on auto gaming. Even running TS, fans went to 55% max to keep temps at ~66c when OC'd with transient spikes up to 615w in the newest version of GPU-Z (albeit following it on screen I never saw anything near that). To not run it with an OC would be a waste of the monster cooling capacity on some of these 5090s. If I'm going to UV it then I'm going to just wait for an FE if I'm in that boat. This. I did the same "whoa!" when testing in WoW and seeing the 5090 at stock blow past the 4090 OC'd with ~34%+ uplift and more in the tank but couldn't hit full utilization. OC just dropped the utilization even further. I'm not saying the 5090 is a bargain or worth it by any stretch of the imagination, but having spent a few hours on Facetime with my clan/guildie bud of 20yrs+ and his 5090 FE, what I have found out that if you want to push your 5090, you're going to need an AIB model and if you want to push it D2D with lower fan noise, you're going to need a beefier model or you're going to just have to block it speaking of the 5090 FE.... ----- @tps3443 I had a chance to really push my guildie's 5090 FE and that thing just does not respond well (as it shouldn't) to any real OC/D2D/low noise profiles. Heat and pull had it sitting sub 3.1ghz and routinely under 3ghz even gaming making it more of a UV king than an OC card. We ended up with a curve of .0925 and about 2875mhz +3000 when finished on his FE that, in his words, "wow, I didn't realize it could run this much quieter when gaming." Temps were still hitting about 72c but the noise had dropped dramatically. Of course less fan noise means any coil whine really will present itself front and center... Astral will sit at +3000 3150-3250 all day gaming, fans at sub 50% temps at sub 66 all day everyday.... ....This is the way. Oh and as I had to tell him after a few runs/tests and a few protests from him, "No my good sir, THAT is coil whine and a healthy amount of it too!" His 5090 FE has that seesaw coil whine that is immediate return/resell levels. When it squealed on GT2 I had him pull up up Deus Ex MD benchmark to run and it sounded like someone was trying to mug it in an alleyway. He isn't phased by the coil whine at all though. Him "So I take it you don't want to trade +1400?" Me "I think we both know the answer to that" Him "I don't really think the coil whine is bad. I don't really hear it." Me "Well, we're both not spring chickens so maybe your hearing is going" Him "Eh? What did you say?" (Mockingly holding hand up to ear) (Followed by about 2 minutes of continuous laughter)

Deus Ex MD: Stock: +3000 / +350:

@jaybee83 PX1 can't control the fans but sliders work including +3000. Very much power starved. I will never shunt mod but I will gladly take that XOC BIOS please. 576.02 Drivers. WoW auto fans, +3000, +400 @win32asmguy GPU Utilization 76% vs 99% cap out on all the other cards tested including OC 4090 @ 3135mhz +1500 memory (zero player data) 4k Ultra RT max. The hunt for a new testing spot continues to try to get the 5090 to GPU Util 99% even at stock in WoW...... Timespy auto fans +350 +3000

Tariffs are alive and well and going nowhere here in the states. The war with China is just ramping up along with all the other "minimum but temporary" tariffs on a plethora of other countries. 5090 prices will not be going down. The biggest fear is them going up. Supply is still a problem across the board here for just about all the cards as they sell out immediately. Depending on when the tariffs kick in (or are fully felt), expect prices to rise on a large swath of electronics and other items. Sales tax varies from state to state on purchases from 0% to 7.25%. You then have local sales taxes that can combine to create pockets of even higher sales tax up to almost 10% NJ and my county is 6.625% California is 7.25% but Tustin, CA is 7.75% on last check

Some of these AIBs have massive heatsinks or you block them and they are screaming for more power. You can always shunt mod it to get it where you want to go but I'm hoping the XOC vBIOS eventually makes its way out. 4090 seems to get it pretty quick and it was fun to play around with. Which version did you go with? Stand alone or Steam? I downloaded the latest stand alone version 1.3.7 to give a whirl later tonight or tomorrow. LOL, coil whine will find ya! 🤣 How high can you go for short benches? You seem to take my approach. I find a sane OC for D2D and then push it for benches. My 4090 for sane D2D OC was ~ +180 +1500. For benches it was +225 / +1600. I just went into GPU Tweak III and pressed the default sliders for memory and clocks as is and left TSE 3Dmark on a loop for an hour and that was that but those settings are conservative I think so I'll want to see where it really falls off the proverbial mountain. As for eBay in the US, it is ~13.6% without a store and with a store it is ~7.35% in the US, so even selling a single GPU, it makes sense to set up a basic store for ~$30 for the month if the GPU is >=~$500 Oh damn! Congrats @johnksss!! Blocking it eventually or running it as is? And hey! Will ya look at that, NOT a Zotrash!

The quietest fans I've ever run are still these P14 140mm Arctics. Even their newest 120mm fans I tried still have a slight whine to them. The bottom fans aren't connected as the bottom only supports 120mm fans. I just haven't taken them back out yet. I still have the D5 pump and array of QDCs in the box in the closet. Plenty of places to get dirt cheap soft tubing. I do have a 360mm rad sent to me for free, but I don't want to use 360mm rads only 280/420 and quiet P14's of which I have like 10 of them already. Depending on your sample and how you push it, you can get a 9800X3D pretty toasty to the point air won't work and a AIO can be pushed even with a static OC pushing 5.6ghz+. ------------- Snagged a 5070 FE from BB today to replace my wife's 3080 Strix. I was originally going to potentially move the 9070xt into her system but the performance just wasn't there for WoW especially with RT enabled and WoW is all she plays so everything is centered around her 32" 1440p 165hz display. I may put the 3080 in a system of spare parts I've been building out for my daughter since she's still on the fence now about her reclaimed "man cave" from her ex fiance about whether she wants a dedicated PC or just use her laptop with the 27" 2025 Nitro 1080p 200hz display. I was going to use this spare delidded 12900k that ran for a few years in the wife's system but while testing it out it up and died on me running Y cruncher I do need to source at least a 12th-14th gen CPU for this extra system I'm building out. If someone has a decent (I5 or above) 12th-14th gen chip laying around, inbox me with price.

I think $999.99 for the 5080 FE is more than reasonable for a few reasons: More performance than 4080 Super More features than the 4080 Super Same price even with inflation In the Nvidia stack, like I keep saying, you're either getting better performance/features, better pricing or both with Nvidia this time around across their entire stack except the 5090 which got hit with a 25% increase in price. It should have been $1699.99 MSRP but it is what it is. Personally, the sweet spot this time around is the 5070ti super @msrp. Cheaper ($750 vs $800) and with an actual noticeable performance boost vs the 5070 vs 4070 Super. Best price:performance @msrp is clearly the 9070xt. ------ I was going to test it on the desktop I was building out on the Z690 but the 12900k died on me so now it is in a holding pattern atm. I have the vial in my thermal paste jar ready for testing though. ------ Swapped the Astral back in for ~13 more days of eval on keeping it. Rerouted the wires from the top like I used to keep it with my MSI 4090 Suprim Liquid and replaced the white sag bracket with a black one I had. That white one was nails on a chalkboard.

Deus Ex Mankind divided bone stock GPU benchmark runs. Seriously, the 9070xt? SMH 9800X3D @ 5450 2x24GB tuned 2200/6400 W11 24H2 normal bloated D2D OS no tweaks Gigabyte Gaming OC 9070xt Nvidia 5080 FE Asus Astral 5090 Nvidia Drivers 576.02 AMD Adrenalin 25.3.2 4k everything on ultra/max settings. 5090 is ~58% faster than the 5080 FE in this test which is pretty massive overall. 9070xt is performing absolutely abysmal in this test to the point I don't know if it is a driver issue or not. @Mr. Fox could you run this on your 9070xt completely stock to let me know if my results are suspect and maybe needs investigating along with your 4090 completely stock for comparison. I can't find my 4090/3090 Dx:MD results. If your results are much higher, I will need to set up another test volume for the 9070xt. I know the 9070xt on WoW is right where I expected it to be compared to the results on three different 7900xtx cards across three different CPUs and two different platforms and the 9070xt is actually scoring slightly higher than many stock 9070xt's in Timespy but again you never know. Gigabyte Gaming OC 9070XT (Adrenalin 25.3.2): Nvidia 5080 FE (576.02): Astral 5090 (576.02):

When you convince yourself a $2k consumer game/fun GPU is value.... 🤣 I prefer the term, "the least rip off" 🤑 or "the lesser evil" Take your pick. 🙂 It reminds me when car shopping. After a certain price point, it all blurs because NOTHING is a good deal and it becomes just getting what you want. What's more insulting? The prices or they are 5080s? 🤔

Definitely going to have to give PX1 a try. I have found AB and the 5090 buggy even now especially in WoW. With the 572 drivers and newest beta AB, it still suffers from the same glitches as I found before here with the 5080 and WoW a few months ago with Rivatuner and some problems trying to push sliders or clocks dropping or getting locked. It's just being more problematic than it has ever been before with the 5000 series. Don't mind my voice. I was in the throes of Covid.... That is why my most recent results are from GPU Tweak III, but I'll definitely give PX1 a try again especially if full memory sliders work on launch. I also like GPU Tweak III obviously because of the added Astral functionality. I haven't even tested my GPU range yet lol (5080 FE still in the system atm but switching back to the Astral today). I just pushed the sliders to their max on GPU Tweak III on default settings (No OC settings) and left the PL and voltage alone for some initial Q&D testing. Did you adjust PL/Voltage levels or doing initial testing stock? Another pro for GT3 is Asus also makes 9000 series Radeon cards so you get full support there too if you don't want to use AMD's tools. Yeah, they've sampled me I think about 5 laptops so far over the past 6 years. First 4 were good after testing and tear down. Last one was not good on many levels and I let them know in detail why. I think overall, Acer is coming on strong wanting to be a known and respected gaming brand. Based on previous variants I've tested/disassembled, I'm not expecting much BIOS control, but I could be surprised! 🙂 @jaybee83 With eBay, I make sure to document the GPU before (Timespy run, plenty of pics with my name in it), during (I make sure to note in my listing the buyer will receive a picture of his just purchased GPU with his invoice in the picture along with a follow up QA Timespy run with the score and his invoice/eBay purchase on the same screen and while it is running I record the entire run and can provide a copy of that) and after (I take several pictures of the boxing up of their GPU at each stage with their eBay invoice in each picture) and a final picture of their package so they know what to expect). I also make sure to put in the post all items are shipped via USPS (strictest mail fraud laws) insured and adult signature required. Buyers have left me only positive feedback and love being kept in the loop for what can be a pricey purchase. It also has established a long selling record for pricey items with a documented chain of events just in case someone wants to try some shenanigans.... I've been selling on eBay for 28 years now. A few hiccups? Absolutely, but overall it will net you top dollar for your items considering they go for ~$2400USD on eBay = $~2100-$2200 after ebay fees (You should obviously set up an eBay store for the discounts even if for one month, as the discounts will cover the store fee AND put an extra $50-75 in your pocket). If you list your GPU on the forums for $2100, you will get the normal "ZOMG!! OVERPRICED BRO!!" brigade chiming in who can't or won't understand current market conditions. ------ I just went, "that is crazy" when I read it earlier over on the forums. I have zero problems with people reselling their items and getting top dollar for them (call it scalping if you want), but buying specifically for reselling especially among the hardware community? For someone who is a firm proponent of "let the market ride as is," that just sits wrong with me a bit.

I prefer QHD+ displays. That was one of my major gripes about this year because of the weakness of the mobile GPUs. I actually prefer QHD+ on 17.3+ and 1080p on 15.6" and smaller. I wish MSI had went with a QHD+ OLED or MiniLED on the Raider. Acer is sending me a 275hx equipped 5070ti laptop to check out, so I'll be able to not only get some hands on with it but more importantly compare it to the NH55 w/ the 12900k and 3070ti to see how much it has improved over a few generations. A proper 285k desktop with the 5090 is intriguing me more and more each day. I know @Talon basically has nothing but good things to say about it for gaming after being properly tuned. If it can achieve more stable frame rates and doesn't tank as hard that trumps those highs IMHO. One thing I will give the 12th-14th gen for WoW is an overall smooth and consistent game play especially if the memory is tuned. Since it is only a 5070ti, I won't get the same punch at QHD as you with the 5090 unfortunately. 😞 The pros of the Clevos and Tongfangs of the world is the ho hum aesthetics and lack of flaire but better pricing packing state of the art hardware and I've always liked that. If I DO give a 285k a whirl and want to go at it with a 5090 and keep the 9800X3D setup, I will need to sell off the NH55, at least one Vivobook Ultra 7 + 3050 OLED, Acer AMD + 4050 laptop and most likely the 5080 FE but I really want to keep it AND the 5090. 🙂

Fallout76 5080 FE. As previously discussed, Fallout76 loves X3D and the engine is old enough that the assets fit in the cache pretty easily and runs like greased lightning. 14900KS vs 9800X3D Tuned vs Tuned: I think a little bit of performance uplift is being experienced too with the drivers since 566 were near launch vs 572.83 which are the latest but still.... ---- It's on Steam for $4.49USD since it is older lol. I run a completely open case and I have to have the room silent, but I can get my Astral and 5080 FE to wake up a smidge so if I look for it, I can hear a little coil whine on both but I find just about any game if you put your ear up against any GPU and look hard enough you can hear *something* 9070xt has some but so much quieter than any of the 7900xtx's I tested except maybe the MSI. I'll have to investigate Titanfall 2. Did it wake up your 5090 a little? 🤣 I like a small splash of RGB on the motherboard and GPU. I am indifferent on memory. I really have started to not like RGB on fans at all but when I build out systems for others, they all want as much RGB as possible. I'm like @Mr. Fox and go for industrial looks so a black/white theme broken up by cold colors (white, pale blue or a properly placed red) speak to me now. MSI used to offer premium at a lower price but their recent price hikes on their GPUs and laptops have me striking a somber note as of late: $3229 for the Suprim = $130 less than the Astral. Lowest priced 5090 Ventus for $2949.99? $4900 for the 285k 5090 Raider? $5100 for the 9950HX3D 5090 Raider? I guess at least the Liquid 5090 is "only" $50 more than the Suprim = $3280 = ~$450 less than the Liquid Astral.....huzzah? As for Intel, I always prefer all big cores and if I can get it, a monolithic design on top of that.