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I watched this last night and found it really interesting. I do wonder if there is any correlation between the SA Bug and the overall failure rates of CPUs long term considering these data centers are targeting lower power profiles as they don't need screaming edge performance. In the end, I think we're going to find Intel pushed these chips too hard for their fab and power/heat levels in an attempt to stay with and/or beat AMD. SA Bug is just icing on the cake.

New TM5: https://github.com/CoolCmd/TestMem5/releases/tag/v0.13.1 woot, snagged it. Let's see if it fixes boot times as advertised. Good thing as I was *just* getting ready to flash the last version before a clean install. ~14% uplift in ST 7950x vs 9950x but only ~7% uplift in MT? That dog don't hunt. I'll have to see the full reviews but so far nothing super special to compel me to upgrade. I'll still wait for the X3D versions while I tinker away with this new (to me) 14900KS and also wait to see what Intel brings to the table with AL. Not like it isn't a monster card right out of the box. If you block and chill it, you'll slap on what? 100-150mhz extra? It does make me wonder what mine would do blocked w/ the 1000w vBIOS though since it clocks so high already as is....

Just using the stock vBIOS shipped on the original I usually boost to 2820-2835mhz out of box gaming and with an MSI OC I game around 3120-3150 on my Suprim X Liquid 4090. I will say temps have crept up slightly over the last 19 months since purchase in January 2023 so a repaste would probably do wonders. My memory tops out around +1600. I've seen some samples just blast straight to +2000 right out of the box. Just don't get a dud like my other Suprim X Liquid I tried that couldn't even go +700 and only boosted to 2650ish and OC'd stalled at 2900.

Congrats bro and at a killer price no less! I'm sure the Suprim X 4080 Super will sell relatively quick at that price.

SP109 14900KS is already back in its clam shell (wife will expect her PC ready to go when she gets home from work today for WoW 🤣), but one last follow up is I tested for the SA bug and it doesn't have it. I did 1.35v and ran TM5 and WMD no problem. I also was able to pass my standard quick stock TM5 at 4300 G1 before it gave up the ghost which was nice to see for a few reasons especially the Strix Z690 D4 I bought at launch for my rig then gave to the wife is really providing long term value. This is how I always start all my memory testing with a quick 5 min TM5 before moving onto heavier stuff. I switched to G2 to see if it was the CPU or MB and as figured it was the MB giving up the ghost. It tops out at 4300 just like it topped out at 4300 with the 12900k in G2 mode so there were no surprises there. I would love to have access to a binned MB that can do 4400 G1 just for curiosity sake, but it's neither here nor there as DDR4 is in my rear view mirror. My last set of DDR4 sticks went into the 12400 build w/ 3060ti sitting in the other room atm. As if perfect timing on the swan song that is DDR4, HUB dropping an updated DDR4 vs DDR5. I am sure he didn't tune anything and just ran XMP on both which is fair. Methinks if that was tuned 8000 the gap would be narrower between the 7800X3D and 14900K. 12th gen really likes DDR5! Total price to my door $631.94. Ya can't beat that for a good bin! Yeah, the more research I've done it really looks like a banger and it just went on sale for $249.99 at Newegg. I'll pick it up via eBay (same price) where I get 5% back on top of it. When I tested the Strix z790i and MSI z790i Edge, the Edge was the superior board easily and I sent the Strix back so it would be either pick up another Edge which was a great board or try the Strix again to give it another chance to shine. I'll be curious to see how the Lightning works out. Better PCB, better VRMs and for some reason lately Asrock is hitting it out the park on their 1DPC boards on both sides. I would normally hunt down an open box on Amazon, but I'm not sure what soured between Amazon and Asrock. They really do not sell a lot of their items via them nor do they honor any bonus games or items if bought from Amazon even directly as I found out with a 7900xtx.

Finally wrestled away my wife's desktop for the evening so I could test the SP109 14900KS on the Strix Z690 D4 running the newest BIOS. When I bought the 14900KS, all I knew was it was the price was great, it had ~1.488 at 6200mhz and SP109 so I was finger crossing the 5600 vids for SFF work and hoping for a sub 1.38 on the 5900. It is about as perfect an SFF chip as I could ask especially the 5600mhz point which was my biggest concern. Even the 5900 point is decent. Bonus award? The 4300mhz V/F point ties for the lowest I've ever seen (0.969) which bodes well for future use in the NH55 laptop if we can ever enable 14th gen support. This chip will really be made for it. I think this ties @tps3443 old R-batch for the 4300 vid point. Some quick testing and it was able to pass TM5 at 4233 DDR4 which is the highest of all the 12th and 13900KS SP115 I tested all using 2x16GB B-die sticks. Not that it will ever spend any time in DDR4 land, but nice to see it beat out all my other tested chips on the same baseline test. Overall very happy with the purchase! Of course that initial run reality settles in as this was run on an EVGA CLC 280mm w/ KPx and just like my 13900KS SP115 on its initial run on the same hardware, it blasted off into the sun and throttled hard before tuning it and getting the 13900ks to spit out ~42k on the 240mm EK Nucleus. My problem has always been I get excited when hardware runs hot/bad because I always see a problem to fix/tune. 🤣 I feel comfortable enough now to go ahead and order an ITX board. Asrock Lightning Z790i apparently has been hitting 8200+ on the regular so that one is in the running now too. I'm thinking of giving it a whirl. It also uses a 14+1+1 VRM design versus the 10+1 design of the MSI and Asus Z790i ITX boards. Asrock claims it can do 8600+ OC on single rank.....sure....ok.

Better pricing always works but..... ......this. For some reason, I'm not expecting a massive uplift or performance bump. Evolutionary vs revolutionary round 2. I'm definitely in hold mode till X3D and will snuggle up to my 7950X3D till that time and maybe beyond before price cuts hit. Pricing also might reflect market saturation along with real world worldwide market conditions along with stagnant opening sales for AMD last time around because pricing was too high across the board (CPU, MB and DDR5).

I actually watched that the other night. I'm subbed to your channel. I really liked the consistent fps and smooth performance with no hitching when running full tilt. I think I posted it many months ago, but taking several weeks to test and tune my 13900ks at 8000 CL36 the 13900ks was neck and neck with my 7800X3D at the time. Out of box vs out of box running at 7200 (intel) vs 6000 (amd), 7800X3D really outclassed it but once tuned up? It was a good shoot out and I think my final conclusion was I could be happy with either at that point. 7800X3D was tuned as I had had it for some time. 13900ks was tuned with a UV and dialed in LLC on the MSI Z790i Edge with the EK Nucleus 240 and 7950X3D out of the box as it was nearly fresh and new (both CCDs enabled) Now, the idea is to run that better/binned X3D CCD = binned 7800X3D vs 14900KS tuned up with and without APO optimizations and see where we land again with the 4090. It will give me an excuse to swap in my MSI 1300w PSU too. --- When the 12900k dropped and testing WoW, turning off e-cores actually provided better performance. It could have been a first gen architectural issue and/or teething issues with scheduling, but by the time the 13900ks dropped, keeping e-cores on provided equal if not better performance overall along with a better overall bump to performance. Now we have APO that supports WoW that's supposed to boost even more so we'll see. I know you like to test games yourself. If you ever want to test WoW, you will need to test the newest content as it has all the enhancements so Shadowlands and Dragon Isles only. Problem is you will need a level 60 character and lots of leveling to get to the point to do the best test spots (flight runs in Ardenweald for SL / Coast to coast flight in DI along with camping out in Valdrakken aka the CPU slayer). Nothing is more irritating than some YTers that load into basic WoW which is still running assets meant to run on a patched version of their 2007 engine and go, "lolz, 400fps....lolz....WoW will run on a tin can....lolz...I rule!!!111!!1" I usually hop into the comments and say they need to test in content from the last 4-5yrs to really get an idea. I might finally retire my EVGA CLC 360mm from my test case as it is being outclassed now by even my EK Nucleus 240mm and pick up the latest and baddest 360mm for it. I'll have to go take a looksy.

Preach. 🙂 I think all of us in this thread know about hitting IMC walls at one time or another.... 🤣 Agreed they are all about the same up top, hence shopping for best bang:buck. I'm not dropping $350 on a pair of G.Skill 8400 2x24GB sticks. I saw in the review where they noted the screwed down heatsinks made it easy to remove them for aftermarket heatsinks. They just made sense across the board. I love hardware but I'm also very frugal (my daughter calls me a tightwad). My objective is to remove ram as the limitation at least as it was the wall I hit before across three systems (2x AMD, 1x Intel) and I leave the other variables in play (CPU, MB). 1DPC w/ the Strix will help but in the end, my objective is 8000 tight but I will of course tweak and tune as high as possible for at least benching. I plan on slapping the 14900KS SP109 in the wife's system first on the Z690 DDR4 board because I want to see if those sticks I bought from @Mr. Fox a few years back can go any further. They could do 4100 on my 12900k cool hand luke that is in my NH55 now. With the other 12900k I delidded and swapped in to the Z690, it can only do ~4000 B-die tight, but when I tested them with my old 10900k golden chip back then they had no problems doing 4500 so I know the sticks are righteous and good to go. Plus it is a quick way to verify the V/F curve. I ordered the memory. Once I verify the CPU I'll order the Strix Z790i and then slap it all in my test bench for a few weeks of fun testing with the 7900xtx and Suprin 4090 before then moving into shoehorning it into the S450 SFF 12.7L case. I do plan on testing Intel's APO extensively with WoW since it is supported to see how it stacks up against the 7950X3D and binned 7800X3D (aka CCD0 turned off). Even at 4k, I'm CPU limited in numerous scenarios and GPU utilization will dip to 88-90% since WoW is still massively CPU dependent and not fully multithreaded even with the engine overhaul.

I went with the Patriot 2x24GB set since they're the Hynix modules and that price is great. I don't need the Teamgroup 360mm AIO even doing the offset cost it is $160 vs $189 but I just don't have a need for it nor would it be a model I would seek out plus I get 6% back from Amazon on top of that. $190 shipped when all is said and done. All the bad reviews on Amazon are from the 2x16GB 2GB 8000mhz older modules which were already at or near their limits most likely anyhow (especially if Samsung). Here's a nice write up on the Patriot 2 x 24GB kit if someone is interested in giving them a try too. Post is only 1d old as of this post.

14900KS SP109 arrived early today versus Monday. I can only test it on an Asus Prime B660 (system for sale I haven't even listed yet) or Strix Z690 (wife's system w/ 12900k) atm. Currently on the hunt for 2x24GB sticks 8000+. I've narrowed it down to the usual suspects from G.skill and Teamgroup but found a good price on some Patriot 8200 sticks 2x24GB for $190 here Decent review here from TT. Anyone else with better bang:buck sticks recommendations? Also Teamgroup sticks for $269 but you get a $110 360mm aRGB AIO for free with it...lol. Just a scummy move and another layer of companies trying to deny warranty claims to save $$$. Imagine if we didn't have the FTC what would happen? We need consumer protection laws like the EU has which are vastly superior to ours.

Were you able to hit 8400 and 8600 for short term testing before temps became an issue? I do know the Strix board I tested briefly before (Z790i) wouldn't even post past 8200 while the MSI Z790i would hit 8400 and 8600 for at least posting with the 13900KS SP115. Ugh, Gigabyte.....no thanks. 🤣 I have yet to have had a good experience with a Gigabyte board from Z390 through Z590. Reading over the Z790i Ultra from them I'm not doing backflips....

Thanks! Funny, but I was just revving the engine to start to seek out a nicely binned 14900k/ks for this push for a 12.4L SSF as I want to try to "re-tame" a 14900ks with the EK Nucleus CR240 sitting on the shelf that I used with the 13900KS with zero throttling. I was kicking myself a bit because I had turned down an SP108 14900KS for $800 because I didn't need it at the time a few months ago and thought I should have picked it up just in case. Debating on picking up another MSI Z790i Edge or going with a Strix z790i for something new(ish) as I explored that Z790i Edge from every possible angle so no new ground to tread but I really love those boards. Amazon Warehouse has the Strix Z790i for $230 (normally $450) How far were you able to push the MSI Z90i edge memory? I was limited by my sticks at the time as tested across three systems, they just wouldn't do much over 8000 (G4 x670e, MSI z790i edge, G4 Asrock B650 2 dimmer) tested but could boot 8400 and individually 8600.

I would need the proper board and memory to really test it so I'll probably never know how high it can fly lol.

I DID snag it! lol! I couldn't pass up that price for an SP109!

True, maybe see if @tps3443 will lock his clocks to ~2200 (or what was his solid D2D OC on his KP 3090) on his 4080 Super and see how it compares to his previous 3090 results.

3090ti vs 4080 super. My original assessment stands. Raw power, the only real upgrade for a 3090/3090ti owner is the 4090. I suspect history will repeat itself for 4090 owners and the only real upgrade will be the 5090.

I always consider Sapphire for AMD cards. They really are the old school EVGA of the AMD world. It's usually Sapphire and Asrock now for card consideration unless you can find a killer priced variant like the Powercolor I picked up for $720 total to my door. 🙂 And he's right, anti-sag is a must for the bulky GPUs and hilarious the owner dropped a dumbbell on his GPU!That's a first! 🤣 NWR declaring the Sapphire the best version of the 7900xtx (timestamped) and overall I'd agree. I don't think he has done a Taichi 7900xtx repair.

Hopefully this one fixes the boot times from their last update..... I'll give it a whirl when it drops. 🙂 I don't run a 4060 or 4070 so.........yeah. 🙂

He has a decent amount of experience with LN2. Nowhere near on the scale of the true pros though. The immediate problem is the pot and surface coverage. If he had a better pot tailored to the 14900k, it would do better. His approach for the most part is sound. He notes the pot limitations early on in the video because the other one he wants to use can't clear the caps on the MB. The pot is not centered either. It is just not the right tool for the job. 🙂 A binned 14900k would help a bit too along with tuning the voltages in tandem to dial it in with the pot. Also throw in a need for an optimized W11 environment and maybe some RT runs for measure too. CB23 44,451 multi is not great at all....but always fun to watch.

I tried the Mushkin kit last march (2023) and it requires XMP / manual timings access and was only single rank for the 2x16GB kit. I ended up sending it back. I left a review on Amazon about it:

First thing I do after a clean install is delete defender and OneDrive from all my new installs on my personal systems. I have zero desire for either.

Ditto. I have no desire to upgrade my MSI board and it is running just fine atm (knock on wood). I'll be holding off till X3D so I'll get to get a taste of launch results from you and @jaybee83 at least. Task is irrelevant. What matters to you is what is important and if increased CPU performance is a metric of validity. You bench. It really has no real world, tangible use except its a leisurely pursuit of fun to push hardware as much as possible in your level of benching (above most, below LN2'ers) but I think you said it yourself that if you ditched benching because of shifting hardware market priorities by companies, you would most likely just run a turdbook as it is close enough for your actual D2D needs. Gaming (and a close second is compile times) is my priority in regards to computational power and if the CPU is a limiting factor / bottleneck, I will start to seek out upgrades to improve it. If I ditched gaming and casual overclocking, I would probably drastically downsize my computer hardware and effectively run on a turdbook too along with my Macbooks for work. 🙂 Coming from a B650, that will be a most righteous upgrade! Do you plan on upgrading to the 9000 series too? Agreed 100% and really liking the results on the DD CR360. So many were whining and going on about the hotbox / thermal nuclear status of 13th and 14th gen, but getting one tamed quite nicely in a 18.4L SFF on a 240mm CR240 and running full tilt no problem was rather satisfying and on that same MSI motherboard no less. 🙂 Equally satisfying was taming the X170SM/KM w/ 10900k and 11900k and the NH55 w/ 12900k too. There's an equal satisfaction getting hardware to run well in small form factors as there is having full wide open spaces and hardware and pushing it without restrictions. At least to me there is. I actually picked up one of these for more SFF (open box for $90) adventures going from 18.4L to 12.4L in an even smaller and tighter space. What is the volume size of that case? It kind of looks like the volume of an NR200MAX

I'll be real curious to see the entire breadth of benchmarks for the 9950x. We know it won't be as fast as the 7800X3D for gaming but in other memory intensive tasks, I'm real curious to see how much improvements they've made with the IMC to take full advantage of that memory bandwidth meaningfully whereas the 7000 series can now hit 8000+, but outside of memory bandwidth benchmarks, we're just not seeing any real tangible gains and in some cases performance loss between G2 and G4 (which makes sense when you think at it). I'm definitely excited to see what it brings to the table and if a 9950X3D is in my future. 🙂 I'm equal parts interested to see how 7000 and 9000 perform on 600 and 800 series boards too and if there is any performance loss using a 9000 series on a 600 series board.