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Yeah, I definitely want to see what it does in G1. 🙂

Curse of Ryzen dips strikes again. New 10.0 patch which is the basis and engine for Dragonflight. I had hoped they had managed to address the Ryzen issues with those savage dips but they are still there. Even with a 4090, same problems in WoW as with 5800x....sudden brutal 1% and min dips... On my 12900k and 3090ti fps isn't as high (duh), but none of those brutal dips especially in PvP or in heavily populated areas (IE Oribos) and tons of CPU handled player data and physics. 5800X3D managed to smooth it out for the most part. Hopefully 7800X3D (or whatever they end up with) will sort that out again and then some.

True, we need to figure out the parameters used to ascertain the rating vs Asus because if an SP101 is coming back 149 and Sugi's SP114 is a 108 something needs to be established that is consistent considering @johnksss SP99 came back at 136....their testing criteria either needs work or is much different than SP.

The only issue there is I would need the KM heatsink to go along with it but if they couldn't source it but could source a 3080 and KM heatsink I would gladly take that replacement. 🙂 I'm traveling in less than two weeks and I wanted to take my X170SM-G along with me to play Fallout 76 so that was why I was setting it up and getting it updated but the 2080 Super went south. I'm glad it went south now versus being on the go. Worst case scenario is I'll just take my MSI Pulse 12700h/3070 with me but it can't compete with the X170SM-G gaming as the 2080 Super is faster, memory is dialied in and the CPU doesn't throttle at all.

Nice, at least we can now establish a somewhat baseline between Force and SP since @johnksss is blessed to own both boards. 🙂 Sugi will literally end up going through 50-100 chips when all is said and done (if not more) to fish out the top bins. Awesome to sit back and witness but way too pricey to mimic. 😞

As we know (time and time again) SP is a predictive indicator but isn't the be all of all in ratings as you push farther on the silicon. We saw the median shift with the 12900ks and SP rankings if you recall. 13900k's just continue to extend upward as the overall silicon gets better and better. That is why we would see some SP63 10900k's smash the upper tier and SP90+ run nice and cool well ahead of SP63's and suddenly run off the tracks at 5.4+ I have always said (and always will), even a bad SP throw it in a rig and test it and push it up bin by bin and you might be surprised. I always love seeing where a good SP chip is humming along and hits a wall and falls off the rails and the pull suddenly goes through the roof by a +1 bin uptick.

Submitted a few videos to Ztecpc showing the 2080 Super failing in spectacular fashion. They are now looking to source a 2080 Super replacement from Clevo. Once sourced, I'll send it in for replacement. No field / self service available. I would have preferred to do it myself, but it is what it is. I'll end up resetting everything and putting the old memory back in and 256GB singular drive with a clean install for ease on their end.

They also cut off the 4th retention bracket/arm for the CPU as it prevented deeper mounting pressure and caused an uneven mount:

Hey, maybe we'll get a better binned RDNA3 mid cycle called the 7900XTXTX where they can charge more for it again yet it will basically be the same. I agree. If the 7900XTX is the monster it is rumored to be on paper, I am expecting AMD to dethrone Nvidia in pure performance and Nvidia will have to double down on the benefits of RT and DLSS in regards to performance metrics. Nice, now all we need is the silicon lottery to come through.... @tps3443 your MSI board has Force rating, so with Sugi giving some context with his chip versus another ho hum chip, you can at least get some rating context of your 13900k. Lower the rating the better.... (Sugi = 108, Ho hum = 144).

Looks like the upcoming AMD flagship is going to be a the 7900XTX not 7950XT.... https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-rumored-to-launch-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-graphics-card Look at those uplifts to SPs, bus and bandwidth..... Considering the 6900xt was equal or better than the 3090 at 1080p and 1440p and was hanging in there at 4k I'm expecting a monster from AMD for raster at least...

Hopefully good stuff on the 13th gen.... And just a dud (ish) MB for memory then. Harkens back to the early days of Z690 fishing through motherboards and lamenting the lack of a 2 slot DDR4 motherboard. Post by Sugi regarding SP bug reports: I'm still on 1601 as I haven't found a reason to update but if/when a 13th gen chip miraculously wills itself into existence for my D4, I'll make sure to upgrade. 😉

lol, it might end up like @Mr. Fox when he shipped that brand new 11900k to @tps3443 and he ended up with an absolute god tier 11900k.... I keep 2 or 3 fan splitters on hand at all times. I have a large bin labeled, "PC buildout gunk" and it is stuffed with fans, hubs, splitters, GPU stand offs, all types of esoteric cabling and more.... As for AMD, just looking at the gains from RDNA to RDNA2 along with the sheer increase in CUs alone from RDNA2 to RDNA3, I'm expecting great things. That's the luck of the motherboard with Z690 DDR4. As a test, have you tried going into G2 to eliminate the CPU as the potential bottleneck and see how far you can push your DDR4? Does it still cap at 4000? I know my board can push 4200+ and I run it rock solid at 4133 daily but I still didn't go in there yet and test it in G2 just to see where the memory/motherboard gives up the ghost.

I max at 2 per header. I usually put a powered hub (or two) in my cases just because.... 🙂 Exception being the 6 fans being controlled by my KPE 3090ti.

Yep, AMD is definitely going to have to come back to reality. Maybe subpar sales on AMDs part factored into some of the pricing too on a various levels. $569 is definitely a reasonable price for what you're getting with a 13900k. What are the P/E cores on the SP101?

Since Z590, Prime-A boards do SP ratings. I used a Z590-A prime a bit just for SP ratings on 10th and 11th. I agree his extreme cooling will definitely factor in and this early on data will continue to come in changing the landscape (as we've seen even with Asus themselves as they re-formulate their SP rating algorithms in subsequent BIOS updates and SP ratings can and will change), but remember SP108 is better than average but not a high golden.

Yeah, you have to manage attachments. I routinely hit the limit and just go delete earlier ones along with mixing in some hosting now. Yep, still stand by my early assessment of @tps3443 chip. He needs a dirt cheap Z690 Prime-A to at least get a real idea. @tps3443 does the MSI Unify do force ratings or no?

Pouring over results on several forums, @tps3443 looks like you got what I would say is at least an SP108+ class chip. If the IMC turns out to be a keeper too, you're one and done bro, good job! There's no downside for Nvidia to shift capacity. Fill the more lucrative market with 4000 dies while continuing to shed Ampere cards which are finally and really drying up in the upper 3000 range (3080-3090ti). With the holidays upon us, people will buy what is available. Nvidia is doing what I would expect any corporation to do and that is to maximize profits over consumer desires / requirements. Hopefully AMD will bring the heat. Based off of sheer architectural improvements / CU counts / clocks / Interface , the 7000 series is shaping up to be a raster monster that will out perform the 4090 at least on that level and even a 4090ti. If so, Nvidia will be forced to continue to hard press their "other advantages" namely DLSS3 and RT as the 7000 series looks to have made huge inroads in RT performance but only to the level of a 3080-3090 class. As for the Colorful RTX 4090, still my favorite. I would never pay the coin to import one but it would be the type of design to push me to do an all white build. I will be doing an all white build for my daughter who wants to follow suit with her fiance who I finished his "more common sense" build (IE, what can my wallet support) and is as expected destroying his 4810/970m laptop performance. He wanted an all black build though.

Awesome, I'll look into it thanks!

Do you have a link to the newest (or at least >=400.xx) version? I'll give it a run before remote diagnostics next week.

Yeah, I know the smart move is to just wait not only for RDNA3 results but for after Xmas when first phase sales are finished, 13900ks on the horizon (along with X3D for AMD). I still love laptops (modern models not so much), but I have always had a desktop running in tandem at all times. Why not have the best of both worlds? 🙂 And yeah, custom water is the logical next step but I will only do soft tubing for ease of use. I'm in my cases way too much to go through the hassles of hard tubing for aesthetics.

Yeah, normal to even lighter than normal use. I was getting it all set up for some travel in a few weeks and putting Fallout 76 on it to go along with my WoW install and boom..... Yep, Donald and Zoltan both left HIDevolution and went to ZtecPC awhile back. Last I had talked to Donald. he had retired to get some much deserved R&R. Update: Just heard back from ZtecPC and hurray! Zoltan still works there (he is the one who contacted me). I'll let him know the NBR refugees have set up shop here on NBT. Going to give the X170SM-G a clean install and schedule a remote session for next week.

I mean I DO need parts outside of the temptation toys! 🙂

I think Donald is retired now. I've missed him around these parts. 😞 Maybe Zoltan still works there but I'm not sure. I fired off an email to support so we'll see tomorrow what unfolds. Best case scenario is I'd love for them to just let me cross swap the GPU and install it myself as I have everything fine tuned. Worse case I'll pull my SSDs and memory, swap back in their stock stuff and send it to them for a long, protracted repair process. Well worse case would actually be them not having the proper GPU in stock for replacement.... I ran my X170SM-G ice cold and usually undervolted for better fans. One moment it was working and, boom, black screen, reboot then artifact city (which comes and goes) but what stays consistent is our good old friend Code 43. 🙂 lol, not trying to pull you into the "rule of 3's" bro! 🙂

I'm fighting the urge to ride to my two closest MCs tomorrow just to take a looksy since I know online inventory habitually doesn't match in store. My biggest fear is walking out of there with a 4090 AND a 13900k.... It's one thing to have a few 4090's in your basket then do the responsible thing and close out your session. It's completely another to see them staring you in the face 😉

Yeah, one moment it was working fine then a blank screen, reboot and code 43 and artifacts. Same way my old 970m went to the big GPU afterlife lol. Checking through my paperwork and it looks like the fine gent I originally purchased it from had purchased the 3 year extended accidental warranty so it is covered till November 2023. Time to contact ZtecPC support.....