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Yeah I found out playing around with it on a whim in between reboots/shutdowns tuning DDR5. That red is horrendous.

Been dialing in DDR5 timings all afternoon and I am pretty disgusted with the stock XMP timings G.Skill provides for their 7600 kit. Finished primaries. Working on secondaries and bandwidth, latency are all better but especially the cache R/W/C speed improvements are substantial. I'll be curious to see what flight run benchmarks are in WoW compared to DDR4 after this 48hr lockdown on timings is over.

Sounds like something besides the memory in that situation. Either way, that sounds like an AP (Amazon Problem) not a YP (You Problem).

Interesting but not conclusive. Has anyone had memory degrade on 3000/4000 series at stock and/or not in a mining situation but from normal D2D use?

That was a decent sample too..... 🥲 You could always work out logistics with @Papusan and really splurge on an HOF! Micron is an issue on Turing. Do you have any links to multiple issues with Micron ram on 3000/4000 series? Why I usually stick with Amazon, Microcenter or Best Buy for most purchases when able. B&H is pretty good too. My best bins for CPUs and GPUs have consistently been with Newegg though.... For real. The 2000+ mile buffer between @Mr. Fox and myself may not be enough to avoid his hardware luck. In the hardware's defense he does push it as hard as it will go "Kirk to Scotty" style. 🙂

So I finally got a chance to install and start digging my teeth into this Z690 Unify-X and DDR5. Board looked brand new with original plastic and had all the accessories still sealed down to the USB thumb drive. Bios was dated from 2021 so updated to A.90 immediately. M-die sticks gave up the ghost at ~6600. Trident sticks would boot at 7600 but errors on my original 12900k No boot at 7800 Backed off to 7400 and running fine at stock settings I'm going to need to start tweaking the timings as of now my original DDR4 sticks are performing better in WoW but I knew DDR4 inside and out while DDR5 is fun new territory. Surprised the original launch edition 12900k can get to 7400 and boot at 7600 though. In my test rig I tried the original EVGA CLC w/ the Socket 1700 kit and temps were much higher than the Arctic LF II 420 by 11-12c even with multiple remounts so I'll be sticking with the AF LC II 420. Might be a die size / plate coverage issue with the EVGA CLC. I do have a question though. Is this bios reset light on the bottom supposed to be stuck on white 24/7?

Ack! Can't believe I'm saying this but stick with the black crocs over those "RGB equivalent" white Crocs. 🤣 I mean those white ones WOULD match your HOF 4090! 😂

That would be great if the HOF vBIOS would work on the Suprim. It will be interesting to see the results unfettered, blocked with one of the most robust (if not thee most robust) PCBs of all the consumer cards.

I saw this earlier. Basically AMD sweet spot (as reported even by AMD at launch) is ~6000. It can't really go over and under at 5200 it suffers serious performance loss. On the other hand, Intel beats it low, mid or high and can continue to scale up to 8000 and still experience performance gains (as indicated with the 7200 memory scores) further separating itself from AMD chips. I'm hoping X3D chips give AMD that punch they need like the 5800X3D did but hopefully we don't suffer dips when the cache was full/exhausted to the extent the 5800X3D can in certain scenarios. I'm thinking the 7800X3D is going to be the single chiplet killer of the group at a good price. You definitely made the right call keeping the HOF. I don't know who's more excited you or I lol. 🙂 Asus can kick rocks.

I'm stoked to see it in a fellow board member's hands and see it run through its paces! Between your HOF and @Mr. Fox blocking a Suprim X, lots of good info and pics incoming over the next several weeks. Situations like this are why I love this small group of enthusiasts.

3080 w/ 10GB was always going to be an issue for a card that can do 4k. I think i even mentioned it too on the NBR forums when I was quoting VRAM allocations with my original 3090 Founders. As for motherboard sales slumping.....I turn the mike over to @Mr. Fox Well said. Awesome @Papusan and congrats on the purchase! I think you'll be the first of this group with a real HOF class card from the last 2-3 generations so we can see one in actual use. Looking forward to pics, performance and opinions. Again, congrats bro!

With the return window still in play, I would have held onto it hoping to get another one in stock, compare the silicon and if needed swap the display. How was the coil whine? D2D said both models whined ( 4080 and 4090):

Hopefully the replacement is equal or better silicon and I agree with dead pixels. That's an instant return unless you can authorize a display swap.

Whoa, which one did you get? I was looking at MSI Titan i9-13980HX GT77 results earlier. That level of laptop performance is pretty monstrous and for better or worse the 4000 series GPUs are a much better upgrade this time around compared to 3000 series.

Nice! I might have to give that vBios a whirl. What was the GPU-Z sensor output on that Timespy run? Beautiful seeing the KPE Z690 hitting such memory frequencies. I wish it was just a bit cheaper or I would have picked one up. I almost did when they had a combo deal going and included a KB and M for $499.99 but with shipping I still couldn't do the mental math to "math it down" to $400 in my head. 🤣

Yeah ECC definitely lowers your performance. For D2D gaming and such it isn't really noticeable but for benching and every point counts? Yep......Good thing is it doesn't alter my D2D clocks but when pushing >+1500 it is having none of that nonsense. Have you tried an on the edge run knowing it will artifact with it on yet? Not sure why HWBOT is making it a requirement. Just make it optional and I'm sure no one will use it. 🙂

Good luck! All I know is if I had ordered only from Best Buy I would probably feel the same as @Papusan about MSI at the moment that's for sure. Good luck! Some set their privacy settings high on their profiles so unless you're a friend you really can't see much. Many do not like or want to be around firearms especially on someone else. For what should be a routine meetup for swap parts for cash or Venmo/PP, a gun would seem out of place. While it is good to let them know you actively carry, a legit buyer may take it as a veiled threat or intimidation. A bad actor will leave or just come with their own firepower / group. I grew up around guns hunting and range shooting so it would have meant nothing to me. I'd be more apt to ask what you're carrying and what type of holster you picked and why. 🙂 With that being said, continue to practice measures that make YOU feel safe. Facebook is one step removed from craigslist at this point. Nice! and once you hit 3000+ and +1500 mem you are suddenly going to be hard press to "fish" for better silicon seeing as even some Founders topped out at +1000 mem. It is a literal crapshoot.

Exact same way I feel about people who buy expensive cars, motorbikes, homes or take crazy luxury level vacations. I feel the same way about people who spend thousands a year on smoking or drinking. I also feel the same way about those who spend a crapton of money on golf clubs, designer clothes or jewelry. What an absolute waste and just plain silly. But that is their vice. 🙂 I look upon those who waste all that money on any of thee above the same way you look upon expensively priced GPUs. Fancy computer parts are no different. The common / frugal man can easily get by with sub $300 priced parts. The common / frugal man can also get by with an efficient compact car, a 1 bedroom flat (expand this as needed per child), no need for designer clothes, nice jewelry, motorbikes, fancy meals, luxury travel or more..... You drew your personal line in the sand and said, "this is what I'm willing to spend and what *I* think a GPU should cost" like me with motherboards. I just can't stomach paying more than $400 for a motherboard. I wish everybody would stop buying motherboards for >$400 because the pricing is getting out of hand but that's my own line in the sand. This hardline applies whether it is $401 or $5000 and yet I still get excited and happy to see other techies get this stuff and post results. The logic is simple: You want a 4090 The only viable models that meet your criteria were MSI Suprim and Asus Strix Your MSI was a poor sample so you returned it Now your choice is to try another MSI or wait for an Asus You've opted to wait to try an Asus The next question is, what if the Asus is a bad or worse sample? I'm very happy with my Suprim. looking at other people's results over the last several weeks, I realize it has abnormally high out of box boost clocks (2835) which allows it to overclock and game at 3120mhz with fantastic temps and no coil whine with fans on auto no less. This was solidified by the second one I picked up from Best buy (I dub thee: ClockFails Von Coilwhine) that in hingsight for clocks (having looked around at countless others running games and benchmarks) wasn't *bad* just that my first one from Newegg was really good. Memory clocks are right where they should be and above average overall at +1500 stable ~+1600 for benching compared to the trash heap that second card topping out at +700. You may have tried another and been very happy with it but that initial sour taste means Asus is up next. As for expensive GPUs, everyone has their vices. I have friends that spend 10-15k a year if not more on golf trips. Some spend 5-10k easily on fine dining. Others even more than that collecting top shelf liquors and cigars. Some continue to lease expensive, high end cars. Others pour 10s of thousands into their own car collections and motorbikes. Even some who pour 10-20k a year traveling for luxury.......not my cup of tea but I'm not the one serving or sipping it.

Did you try out the 1.07.06 BIOS yet?

Asus 4090 actually in stock at Newegg. OC edition. Only 90 have it in cart....nice to see. EDIT: 3hrs later and STILL in stock. I am sure it will eventually sell out, but 4090s are officially routinely in stock daily now at NE. Just depends on the models.

@tps3443 a couple of Z690 Unify-X motherboards popped up on B&H and Amazon open box for $350 each. I went with Amazon since B&H only had a 90 day warranty and couldn't differentiate between normal and grey market warranty status and easier return mechanisms in case there are problems with it. Should be here Friday.

This in spades. I haven't felt a "real" difference in SSD speed/performance on the desktop in years. I go for capacity and reliability/warranty these days too.

I have a set of beefy heatsinks sitting in the drawer for DDR5 modules already. I'll use them if needed but we'll see. Nice drop! Right now, I'm waiting on a good deal for a used Unify-X or open box/used Z790i Edge. I have the G.skill hit along with some generic M-die sticks sitting around waiting to be pushed. I want to see how quickly my 12900k gives up the ghost before moving on. 🙂 Ack the crocs and crazy loud cooling on an SSD? NOooOooOoo............... 😁

FN+D to clear or good old remove CMOS battery and battery and hold power for 30-40 seconds is next. Also try resetting and booting with one module.