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Apparently EVGA made ~20 4090 Prototypes and GN has one now too for a true breakdown:

And the Lawyer "fact finding" part of the 4090 class action sniffing about starts.... This popped up on my Facebook:

The build up and suspense...even including a collapsed spoiler window for a big 'ole nothing burger...... .....well played. 🙂

So you're keeping the Zotrash 2000? 🤣 Man..... Seeing that EVGA pre-production 4090 is like a dagger to the heart. 😞 I wish they could have found a way to work with Nvidia, but I understand on many levels why they gave Nvidia the proverbial bird and jumped ship.

4080 16GB = 28.5k GPU vs ~23.5k 3090ti. Only logical upgrade is the 4090 / 7900xtx I'm going to assume their ~21711 for 3090ti is on older drivers / outdated as I get ~23.5k stock. https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-3dmark-timespy-scores-have-been-leaked-as-well

Binning 7x 4090's..... wish he had binned the memory too and with more sustained tests but still interesting. That first MSI TRIO was a serious outlier pulling ~50-65w less.

We are less than a month into 4090 launch and unlike Ampere no Cryptoboom or Pandemic with which to contend. While you can't get a, "NOW NOW NOW!" on it, by Jan/Feb they will be available. Even if Nvidia is artificially holding them back, demand is nowhere near of the sustained levels of 2020-2021 where supply never could catch up to demand as you had miners snatching up anything to throw into a rig even at grossly inflated costs. The market will adjust. It just feels like a mild case of PTSD because of before but this is NOTHING like then.

That WOULD be a refreshing change of pace. Quietly undersell / deflate the hype train and when launched be better than expected. I am sure the lackluster response to AM5 may have played a small part in their approach/pricing. Ugh, Azor.....destroyer of Alienware.... SFF has its place in hierarchy. I like SFF builds but not for my main rig ever. Imagine that fake FPS booster doesn't use anything AI but also works on Ampere, massive kick in the nut for Nvidia for gating that tech to Ada Lovelace. "This card will KO the 4080 16GB. And fight against the 4090." This in spades. Based on presentation and performance estimates (after adjustments), the 7900XTX is going to be an excellent card and price:performance monster. Linus going into more about AMD's new cards and Nvidia:

Just because he says it targets the 4080 (easy win?) doesn't mean it also won't compete with the 4090. But with AMD numbers to go by only, we will see. ADA didn't match the hype either with people saying it was going to be 95% faster in games and on average it was ~60% overall. I expect a similar reality check when the real reviews come in for the 7900xtx. That CP2077 1.7x uplift is potentially going to be a major outlier. Nvidia will retain the performance crown overall (when all was said and done just as the 3090ti did for Ampere against the 6950xt) but they will have to re-evaluate their entire stack now with AMD bringing so much performance in the <=$1000 segment. If you can potentially get 90% of the performance of a 4090 for $600 less in pure Raster? RT is going to be better (ish) than Ampere but 4090 just decimates it.... DLSS/FSE/XESS? Meh..... Still irked over all the leaks that kept pushing the massive SPs but didn't note the 2x per change meaning CU went from 80 to 96 not 160+ and SP is realistically 6144 x 2 not 12288. Threw my guestimations WAY off giving me a big fat WHIFF on this one like a boss. 🙂 We'll wait for the real numbers, but we know AMD can and has cherry picked with the best of them but again this will really shake up Nvidia's approach to pricing especially in the lower high / upper mid and down stack. Or OR We're going to end up with another 5700xt which was a great card but simply couldn't compete with the 2080ti overall but put plenty of heat on Nvidia in the upper middle on down. That would be the smart play from Nvidia for 4080 pricing.

I am sure they are legally covered somehow if they have to nerf it. They wouldn't be the first or last to cap performance/power for whatever reasons. AMD did it with the 5000 series and initial OC/boost performance with a subsequent release of Agesa.

With the market conditions at the time they didn't have to and when the 3090ti launched they were still under the assumption of those outlier market conditions where they couldn't keep anything in stock regardless of the price. We saw how quickly they chopped down prices of the 3090ti well before ADA launched. Nobody was buying. As you showed before, Nvidia has suffered a noticeable loss in sales and profits last quarter versus the previous. As for pricing if Nvidia really wants to compete. Keep the 4090 $200 more than the 7900xtx, 4090ti is a true halo product at $1499 adjust down accordingly to compete. 4090ti $1499 4090 $1199 4080ti $999 4080 $799-899 (depending on 7900xt performance) AIBs are irrelevant and have to carve out their own niche as you also say Nvidia has no problems competing with their own partners. Once the "new product launch" smoke clears along with AMD introducing killer price:performance cards and the old "we can't keep it in stock" paradigm a thing of the past, Nvidia has two choices: A> Hope Nvidia faithful will not care one iota about price:performance and simply buy the best B> Adjust to AMDs bombshell pricing and performance and price accordingly Logically if I was Nvidia, I would ride out the early adopters to milk them for all they're worth then adjust once sales taper off and stock is everywhere.

The most logical choice for Nvidia (if they can push aside their arrogance and greed) still is to lower the price of the 4090 to $1299 and replace the $1599 price point with the 4090ti to add value to their pricing in comparison to AMD. If they really wanted to stick it to them, they would go $1199/$1499. While the price:performance still isn't equalized between the two, it does put a huge dent into the ludicrous chasm between the two. Keeping the 4090 at $1600 and theoretically introducing a 4090ti at $2000 just doesn't make any sense in current market conditions. Short term? Yes, but this is the beginning of a two year protracted GPU war. Anything else just extends their arrogance and greed in the marketplace. AMD has made great inroads since RDNA and RDNA2 and people aren't made of endless money and the low/middle GPU market has always been where the bulk of GPUs are sold.

Absolutely. The 7900XT and 7900XTX especially are absolute price:performance gems in every way. It is AMDs race to lose right now when common sense tells you 10% performance loss (if that) for $600 less is a clear winner. I'm really excited about AMD this time around even more so than last. I haven't felt this good about them since the 5700xt when I switched to AMD till Ampere. Nvidia thinks they're Apple. I expect Jensen to be in a black mock turtleneck sooner than later.... He's a blunt instrument. Sometimes they work. Most times not so much. I have an A770 on its way actually to play around with along with the A380. RT performance is supposed to be close to Nvidia than AMD (core for core) and XeSS is supposed to be better than FSR as the drivers keep maturing. Intel could mess around and carve out a nice 3rd spot in the GPU market if they play this right. Jufes is painful to watch sometimes but he has amassed a small gathering of followers as most anti-intellectualism imbued persons tend to do quite frequently. You get a decent cooling video showing you progressive levels of cooling techniques applied and the outcome and then you get that AMD rant..... I just found myself literally laughing out loud at parts especially his description of AMD's drivers.... .....and I can almost guarantee you he thinks the bathroom smells like lavender when he's finished. 🙂 This. When I'm in my wheelhouse and know it I have no problem taking the lead. If I am not, I have no problems following and listening and learning.

Totally crapping all over AMD hardcore....I actually was laughing at segments of this as it was genuinely funny in parts:

With much not differentiating performance between Nvidia's FE models and AIBs, the room is tight for AIBs and higher prices for customized models I agree. Depending on the response to AMD and performance, the logical course for Nvidia is to lower the price of the 4090 to ~1299 and replace the $1599 price point with the 4090ti. Adjust the 4080 16GB down from $1299 to $899 to compete against the 7900xt then adjust the rest of the ADA product stack pricing down accordingly. Speaking of AIB models, as expected 3 plug TUF 7900XTX and 7900XT announced....better cooling and more powah incoming:

True, but I picked Dogecoin because the few reports I follow tend to follow its growth specifically and correlate it with a few lesser coins for some reason (why I don't know). I don't engage in crypto in any way shape or form even down to lightly mining on my gear for many reasons but I try to follow a few sites to see if we're heading towards anything of another crypto-boom on any level.

LOL, I know what you play at but experiencing GPU limitations is the common realm of 4k gaming. You just happen to catch up a bit with the 13900k. I saw the same thing even with a 12900k at pure stock at 1440p in certain areas / games so it makes sense. In reality all I hear is the beginning argument to yourself on upgrading from your 3090. 🙂 We heard it before with your 2080TI's that went from "These scream! So close in performance! No Need to Upgrade!" to eventually you jumping on a 3090.... .....I"m sure we'll see the same song and dance here too and you'll end up with a 4090 or 4090ti. 😅

Welcome to the world of 4k gaming woes where your GPU is pretty much pegged at 99% everywhere while you CPU floats around 20-50%.....please have a seat right over here. 🙂

AIBs can only jack up the price so far till gamers opt for cheaper models. Looking at the 4090, baseline is $1600 and the realistic top end model is $2000 for the Strix. Expect $1000-$1300 tops for 7900XTX models realistically. Both sides have a few outliers as always or specialized Hybrid/blocked models. Depending on headroom OC, AIB models may have a better go at it than with Nvidia this time around. If there's a lot of room to play with better cooling and power considering the less than expected boost clocks on the 7900, an AIB model might be the way to go for many. In these economic times (as you allude to), a $1000 card $600 less giving you the bulk (+/- per game) of a 4090 performance is going to be an easy decision for many. Still would love EVGA to come out of nowhere with a KPE 7900XTX. 🤪 Expect the 4090ti sooner than later. Nvidia is REALLY going to have to upsell RT and DLSS3 as everything else is skewing in AMDs favor. If you must absolutely have the best RT performance, Nvidia is the logical choice. If you must absolutely have NVENC, Nvidia is the logical choice As long as AMD doesn't crap out on the drivers, they are really going to gain ground. Dogecoin is gaining a bit of traction.....hopefully nothing Crypto-anything grabs ahold like last time. This fall has been an absolute techgasm with AMD, Nvidia and Intel.....I'm lovin it.

I was expecting a touch more performance but I've spent the last few days going over chiplet limitations and new architecture woes thereof but it is still a banger with 1.7x the performance which is on par with the 4090 and they will be trading blows once again.....but the real "whoa?" the price.... $999? I was not expecting that price point. It will compete with 4090, beat the 4080 16GB and now we know another reason why Nvidia basically cancelled the $899 4080 12gb giggle fest. For $999 I'll be picking one up definitely to play with and skipping the 4090 completely.

It kinda looks like the De8auer model but even he knew there would be clones of their model showing up sooner than later....hmmmm.

How's the coil whine on the Suprim X Liquid? Zotrash? 😁 I know the Air cooled Suprim model had some of the worst I've heard. And of course memory lottery is in full effect....Try another one. 🙂

Jufes does provide decent videos from time to time....

LOL, especially when the Crocs match the gear! True story, I was shopping with the wife and we were looking at shoes for her and I saw some Crocs and immediately thought of you @Papusan 😄 Grats on the new 13900k!

Congrats @Mr. Fox! You know you've hit the magic when you've been together longer than not in your life and you've passed that point with aplomb. Here's to many more brother!