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  1. electrosoft
    Yep, always seeking cool hand lukes which usually (but not always) means a better binned chip overall to get better pull and thermals at stock. My 10900k isn't delidded and I'm using regular past too in that run (nanogrease extreme). For stock usage, Prema doesn't come into play as only a uv has been applied (~-82uv) So you those parameters for comparison. I had no idea you had a X170KM-G and I'm not sure why I didn't know. 😁
  2. electrosoft
    Oh then we are in agreement. I use LM between the die and internal IHS. I usually tape off the area internally to match the die perimeter so it is exacting and put a thin coating of LM on both sides so run off is close to zero. I never use LM on my GPU dies either. I *will* experiment with kingpin and TGx versus nano if I have a good enough pairing but when in doubt it is always Phobya nanogrease too. I seal my IHS lids and I've never had the problem internally but externally IHS->Heatsink? It's happened a few times ugh.
  3. electrosoft
    I don't overclock my laptops. My objective is to make sure they don't throttle and run at stock (or close to it) as best as possible especially DTRs. I want my memory optimized as possible and my desktop CPUs running as they should like a real desktop. I center everything around CB23 single, triple and 10 min stress test as I will never run anything that will push it harder than that. If I experience any type of power or thermal throttling I adjust accordingly to get it where it needs to be. 👍 I also try to get the fans to run silent as possible while doing it. Somewhere in this thread is a post of my optimized 4.9 all core with memory tweaked runs for Aida and CB23. I have it getting exactly what I got on the desktop with a few Z590 boards.
  4. electrosoft
    KPE 3090ti's are sold out but it was a very limited run so it was to be expected. It would have sold out sooner if queued up members had picked them up. All other EVGA 3090ti models are $1499.99 including the hybrid: https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=0&family=GeForce+30+Series+Family&chipset=RTX+3090+Ti EVGA has pulled all 3090s and 3080s from their combo deal integrator and only 3070ti and below are available. Only three 3090 models are now available to buy for $1299 (FTW3 Black, FTW3 Ultra, XC). All the others are out of stock including the original KPE 3090. All 3080ti's left are 1099.99. 5 models in stock. All 3080 12gb are 799.99 gobs of those 🙂 Clearly they want to push the 3080 12gb as all the 3080 10gb are priced above that.
  5. electrosoft
    This along with determining what are your objectives since games really benefit from optimized memory but if your daily driver frequency is 3.5ghz then you can have one set of memory timings fully optimized for D2D at that frequency then set it back to SPD and go ham on overclocking.
  6. electrosoft
    Whew, I know your heart jumped when you caught those pins! I've been there before. 🙄 Nice, did you do a bin stepping analysis to see if 3.5ghz was optimal from let's say 3ghz up to 4.5ghz? I usually let mine run stock for gaming so it sits at 4.9ghz for playing WoW which is CPU hungry. Temps top out around 80c after hours of playing. You can probably bring that tRFC down and tREFI up depending on quality of memory along possible tuning the primaries. With good pairing pressure, liquid metal is superior in every way, shape and form. Next big project is my SL isn't delidded but I'm starting to get the itch. I think for now I'm going to clean up the original LTX IHS and recap the LTX so I can free up my BartX Nickel Plated IHS for the SL. The SL does equal if not better with its original lid as the BartX delidded and capped LTX. Im going to rebuild out my Z590 MSI for testing it with both caps and eventually the SL along with install 4x 128GB 2.5" SSD I have laying around to install Win10, Win11, Unbuntu and Kali on their own individual, isolated SSDs.
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    Even downgrading the BIOS gives the same results? Luckily ($$) in these situations comparative test hardware usually gives clarity. 🙂
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    I've had LM harden and cluster on top of a few Intel stock IHS and had to scrape/sand it off too. True about the soak. I just always knew as soon as temps went all cattywampus it has started to soak and would get in there a few days later and apply some extra. For laptops, I'm content with standard thermal compounds on top both the GPU and CPU even if it costs me some performance and degrees at this point.
  9. electrosoft
    Having used LM on numerous laptops and some desktops, I'm only using it when one (or both) parts are nickel coated. It just isn't worth the long term hassle of soak and when too much air gets in over time the hardening and having to scrape or sand that mess off. I'll also use it for very short term benching to get the best results possible within a limited time frame before cleaning it off and switching back to traditional TIM.
  10. electrosoft
    There's only so much you can do in the limited VRMs and cooling of the X170KM-G. Luckily our units are still under warranty but you will don't want to get slap happy. How did you pick 3.5ghz all core as your D2D frequency? I haven't had mine out in quite some time still. I was too busy modding and wrestling with the absolute crap show that is the stock hardware and firmware that is the MSI Pulse GL66 12700h. Initially the X170SM-G was blowing it out the water, but lots of work and internal tinkering has it now beating the X170SM-G (at its tweaked stock settings) finally. Fortunately the X170SM-G you can tweak the memory settings and lock in frequencies better and coupled with the 2080s, it smashes the 3070 mobile in gaming still.
  11. electrosoft
    Your old 10900k actually looks like a decent bin too. Not as good as your new boy but I know the original ZtecPC binned chip I had couldn't do anywhere near those numbers. 5.3 all core and it ballooned to 340w+ on the desktop and bsod immediately on the X170SM-G. It was binned clearly for optimal 4.9-5.1 range. Your old 10900k also looks like it was working better with the memory slots and channels. Did you re-check to make sure all the pads are clean on the new 10900k and more importantly check your pins to make sure you didn't compromise one in the slightest? It sounds like a contact issue where lower frequency can get by but when pushing the edge of the PCB of the X170SM-G it borks out. I know on my X170SM-G, I can run the sticks both bottom or both top but I had to clean a tiny bit of thermal compound on one of the corner pins left there from ZtecPC I'll assume. I could push stock 4.9 -120uv but for CB23 stability I backed off to -92uv. See how your system handles a 4-5 looped CB23 run. All my testing is centered around CB23 for consistency. R15 will pass some things that CB23 borks out on so that's why I use it. It is all I use as my baseline for comparative analysis between systems and posted testing. Since it is @Mr. Fox 10900k I'll assume it is already delidded? 😁 If you can, do a single CB23 run at stock -90uv and report the temps, package power and Vcore under load. Every 10900k I've tested that managed to make it to 5.3 all core CB23 eventually fell off the rails at 5.4 and needed decent cooling. There isn't enough magick in the world that will suddenly super empower the X170 Heatsink to handle the serious heat and pull 5.3 and 5.4 all core put out under meaningful loads. I keep looking at that aliexpress heatsink to give it a whirl since they are being sold dirt cheap now. What memory sticks are you running and Vmem and freq/timings?
  12. electrosoft
    Good to hear you just opened a case and wash your hands of that mess. The more I think of it, unless the box/package was absolutely smashed to oblivion, there is no way the IHS would be removed AND smd's sheered off. I sense shenanigans on the seller's part. As for cache, yep and it can get real finicky >43x in many situations, shares power and can increase thermals. The fact it defaulted to 47x in a constrained environment is perplexing. Oh Yes!
  13. electrosoft
    Ulp, time to open a case with eBay. Don't even bother going through FedEx or dealing with a claim. Get your money back directly from the seller and they can jump through hoops dealing with a claim. And it would take some horrific forces to remove an IHS in transit and smds. Sounds more like something they did to be honest.
  14. electrosoft
    Nice and not too expensive! Who is going to take the plunge for MOAR POWAH!! 😅
  15. electrosoft
    Ugh...........
  16. electrosoft
    What Nvidia (and AMD to an extent) found out was that there are more than enough customers willing to pay but I truly do think it is going to backfire this next cycle as many who upgraded to 3000 are going to skip 4000. Of course Pascal and Turning owners who skipped 3000 will probably upgrade to 4000 and hardcore 3000 owners will upgrade to 4000. The last few years were just a perfect storm of so many things from the Pandemic supply constraints for many reasons to (another) crypto explosion, working from home, societal restrictions = added disposable income and a genuinely worthy upgrade GPU to name a few. Now we are facing a world wide recession, world wide inflation, no crypto-boom (yet) and a heavily saturated Ampere and RDNA2 market. There's a reason Nvidia wanted to cut back on their orders but I also think Nvidia will still increase prices vs last cycle (as they have done the last three cycles) and I expect the 4090 to clock in around $1699.99. We talk about massively over MSRP prices but the fact still remains before any of this happened the MSRP of the 3090 for the Founders addition was $1500 and all other AIB models were equal or greater than that. No way Nvidia is regressing even if it means selling lesser units. But the days of 100% selling out 24/7 are over.
  17. electrosoft
    The lack of a block while the FTW3 is getting one really pushed a large contingent of KPE buyers away. The writing was on the wall when they pulled the 3090ti FTW3 HC. It definitely was a kick in the teeth to KPE 3090 owners. I know I assumed (silly me) that when EVGA launched the KPE 3090 that the 3090 was the top dog and that was that. A lot of that is on Nvidia too. Playing games when they should have just released the top tier from the get go. One thing we can say about AMD is they brought everything they had to the table and didn't hold back. I ordered one because I wanted it pure and simple. I like the look of it and I plan on testing their new fans (along with the asetek rev 6 pump vs 5) against my old KPE results and then slap on some AC P12s and see what they bring to the table. I sold my KPE 3090 back in October and the sell price covers this and a little bit on top. I think my KPE 3090 went for $2900.00. With the new EVGA associate code rules and end of the associates program you can just use your own code now and knock 3% off so I saved $75 (!) and no way I was paying for next day or 2 day shipping which is $120 extra when they are offering free ground shipping to elite members. When I bought my KPE 3090 even ground shipping was 50-60. Throw in a spot of cash back with my credit card and here we are. Everyone, feel free to continue to dump on Nvidia and EVGA. 🙂 I made a fully educated purchase of my own free will fully cognizant of market conditions and timing. You won't hurt my feelings and I'll prolly end up chiming in and agreeing with you all....while I install and play around with the KPE 3090ti when it arrives sometime next week.🤑
  18. electrosoft
    Watching a startup tank because the other coder is not fluent in Swift but they insist on sticking with him and expect me to pick up the slack even though the decision was made to move completely away from ObjC. @Reciever the old adage still applies: Good employees are rewarded with more work.....
  19. electrosoft
    KPE 3090ti available direct now: https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=24G-P5-4998-KT No surprise there. Every miner that had potentially queued up dropped out Those wanting a block dropped out Those who thought the wait was too long dropped out Those who didn't want to pony up $2500 w/ a PSU dropped out Those who decided to wait for 4000 dropped out EVGA will keep it like this for awhile and then the next step will be to offer it without the PSU for ~$2299.99 is my next guess. Either that or the known limited run will finish selling out from their store front and that will be that.
  20. electrosoft
    Is that from XTU or observed results under load?
  21. electrosoft
    Considering they are only launching the 4090 initially, that makes sense to continue to offer the 3000 series in conjunction while having their "top dog" 4090 card to thwart any AMD "winning" the benchmark wars. Considering their cyclical price jumps generation to generation, I expect the 4090 to clock in at $1699-$1899. As AMD cards hit the market release lower tier 4080 and 4070 accordingly. True, if you are only wanting Nvidia regardless of what AMD does then it doesn't matter. Any bit of potentially wanting AMD GPUs was probably thwarted by your 5950x...um....let's call it "adventure." 😅
  22. electrosoft
    Based on all the leakers and Moore's Law is Dead's last video, it is valid and Nvidia is in total agreement with AIBs to push back 4000 series while the 3000 series are clogging the supply lines and so many used models are saturating the pre-owned market. Interesting tidbit. I was thinking of all the Desktop GPUs I've owned ever since my very first EGA card back in the early 90s I bought from Radio Shack and I've only once bought a used GPU in my entire life and that was a KPE 1080ti because EVGA sold out of them. Not that I'm adverse to buying used it just seemed to work out that way....for over 30yrs.
  23. electrosoft
    Basically, that's why I was trying to convey the criteria in picking your chosen spot in a product upgrade cycle switching from the beginning to the end but the spacing stays the same. There's always something right around the corner. 🤣 In your case, you are opting to not only start contemplating higher end GPUs but where you will purchase them in the cycle based upon your own criteria and that criteria seems to be potentially purchasing the last generation when the new generation launches. Sometimes we overthink it.....just eat the pie and enjoy life. 😀 And as always absolutely #FWP in this forum for most members are in full effect. We are all incredibly blessed to be able to afford what really is frivolous, pricey hardware for the most part simply because we want it for leisurely pursuits (modding, overclocking, gaming, aesthetics, simple desire to have it, etc...).
  24. electrosoft

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  25. electrosoft
    But Nvidia and the industry said it wasn't a cryptomining issue causing the shortages....remember? REMEMBER? 🙄 I saw oodles of 3090's sitting right around 1k languishing. Looking at a 3090 Suprim for $900 as I type. Only thing is to make sure to get the serial and check the warranty and transfer-ability before buying along with making sure they haven't been tampered with. Most AIBs will be looking for any valid reason to deny warranty claims and we know most of these cards have had their memory hammered and how many 3090s had their back memory running like the sahara or GPU clocks not properly undervolted?
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