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Are Celeron CPUs confirmed working in the X170SM-G? I assume they are but you never know. Either way, the H410 motherboard will quickly provide clarity. Either this or a small bit of solder on the pads to assure contact for a quick test. Good luck with the H410 tests!

I thought on the old forums he said adding 11th gen support was too problematic for the X170SM-G but maybe something changed since then? Go ahead and ask away. Worse case scenario we're in the same boat as now. 🙂

Were you running any type of OC? Newest BF2042 patch hits the CPU hard with much higher stress on multi-cores (much better performance too it seems). Hopefully you can figure out if it is potentially the system board or CPU (or both) that got slammed.

Even pure stock there were issues. My brother's 5600x Gigabyte B550 system (which he still uses to this day) on the newest BIOS still has USB issues and it is pure stock with 3200mhz QVL memory. I installed a USB card a while back for him to help with the issues. My 5800x system even rock stock still had drop outs with an MSI X570 Tomahawk. They did increase in frequency when overclocking and pushing the IF but even at stock there were still problems. Unlike my brother, I wasn't willing to continue to deal with them and jettisoned the entire subsystem and returned to Intel. New (and expensive) hardware in a fatigued, saturated market quickly let AMD know high prices weren't going to fly with AM5. Nvidia is learning that lesson ever so slowly with the 4080. I'm greatly looking forward to the post holiday system to see demand drop even further and Nvidia, Intel and AMD have to adjust their pricing for the first time in a long time overall.

Tweaking is a very small subset of users. We're just so enmeshed in it because just about everyone in this thread gets under the hood to fine tune their systems. Once you're out there amongst joe average user, all they want to do is turn it on and go and when something doesn't work right have someone like us fix it for them. Asus and Asrock make X670 motherboards with TB4 functionality.

That is Intel pulling an Nvidia and keeping software not only optmized for Intel but purposely defaulting to sub-optimal code when it picks up on an AMD (or non-Intel) CPU but yeah. MKL works on AMD but it isn't anywhere near the best choice. For MKL Intel is a no brainer. RocM runs on consumer cards but no Windows support, poor Py support and overall just doesn't compete with CUDA for ML. If I was doing AI/ML, I would go Nvidia no questions asked. AMD is making great inroads but Nvidia is still just such a tightly knit, optimized and polished product with such far ranging support it becomes problematic for AMD. Nvidia continues to maintain the performance crown and their added features (Nvenc, Cuda, RT and to a degree DLSS) are just superior to AMD too. On the other hand, if you're a pure gamer AMD is a compelling option even last generation and this one too. Looking forward to the reviews for much needed clarity.

What board do you use now? Are you able to save even more and just update your BIOS and drop in a 5950x as is for now? Their drivers get a bad rap but they've gotten better over the years. The core issue still remains raw hardware performance and added value. AMD has made massive strides and I'm genuinely interested in the 7900xtx but Nvidia is still the overall performance champ and Nvenc is supported everywhere. DLSS vs FSR is becoming a wash though for those that care about such things. I still wish that Intel would launch a major performance / extreme edition of the 13th gen with all P-Cores and let it be know for a 10-12 core model you WILL need well above average cooling or deal with lowered clocks. They could even offer a red line fever boost algorithm like the 7950x. As for Nvidia, it is rare to find a corporation that properly tempers capitalism with consumerism. It is just a matter of how much askew they operate. Nvidia unabashedly pushes profiteering knowing they are sitting on the dominant product. Their time will eventually come.

Problem is Nvidia really has no rivals in the GPU AI market space right now and their overall discrete (none of that Intel/AMD integrated malarkey) GPU market share still sits at ~80% overall. AMD actually made inroads last year when selection was poor but when the market returned to somewhat normal forces, that ~4% they gained (from 20% to 24%) rapidly dissolved back to 20%. Nvidia is the absolute, dominant force in the GPU market and Jensen knows it. Pricing aside, they have and continue to make the outright superior product while AMD continues to make inroads but if leaked benchmarks are to be believed, the 7900XTX *is* going to crush the 4080 but when the dust clears the 4090 is still the top dog just like the 3090ti was vs the 6950xt; but it's looking like even though the 7900xtx will trade blows with the 4090 in pockets, the 4090 may have an overall bigger lead this time around vs the 7900xtx on raster and RT than the 3090ti vs 6950xt. Price:Performance is clearly going to be AMD unless Nvidia goes for the kill and adjusts the 4080 down to $899 and introduces a 4080ti $1199 7900xtx slayer.

NVCP defaults to OFF for ECC FYI:

3090ti, 4080 and 4090 use ECC. Rest of Ampere use EDR.

Very nice to see for the first time in a long time a new Nvidia GPU not sell out on Best Buy immediately. 4080 dropped around 12EST. 4EST and plenty still in stock including a few open boxes of them.

In many of these cases you have them running Y-Cruncher or similar and just red lining their CPUs for hours in not only pull but equally (or more) important temps. If you want to sit there and have your CPU plow through Y-Cruncher at 88c+ be my guest that's not my cup of tea. For every OC'er that posts a killer OC with their own testing criteria, you will always...ALWAYS have someone yip in about, "Well what about OCCT? Y-Cruncher? P95? Run that for a Bazillion Hours and let's see!" Like some of these OC's are D2D? When I see those posts I just grimace and move to the next. I may do OC runs for shiggles that momentarily (less than a few minutes) hit high temps but my D2D is always about finding the sweet spot of a good clock at the lowest pull (even stock). This especially extends to my laptop use. The two modes of operation can co-exist and are not mutually exclusive. @tps3443 the nature of your setup helps prevent those sustained, high temp runs that in unison with pull *may* cause degradation.

Nice! Now let's see how it compares to your other monster see if it can handle some of those settings. 🙂

Confirmed. I even tried my old 11900k in my X170SM-G w/ the newest and final Prema and it was a no go.

Nvidia has found the consumer spending limit for certain tiered products. I do wonder what the scenario would look like without AMD and their 7900xt/xtx on the horizon. Nvidia is still king but AMD has made huge strides with RDNA and RDNA2. If everything progresses as it should, Nvidia will eventually have to start adjusting like Intel has to now with AMD and their CPUs.

My wife had been complaining that playing wow it would get "chunky" in spots. I went in there to run her toon through some 5 players and raids for the free loot give away during the next few weeks and it would be fine one moment then frame drop then fine. I spent today running all types of tests and everything pointed to the GPU or PSU so I loaded up TSE to loop and not 20 seconds in the red light on the PCIE lead came on. Shut everything down, cut the power, reboot run it again and...red light then another red light. Crack open her case and I had forgotten I had put a 700w Zalman PSU in there when she used to run a 3060 then 3070. I had also flipped her card from Q mode to P mode a few weeks back. That poor PSU! 😅 It tried to hang in there as long as it could before it started giving up the ghost. GPU-Z showed total board draw at ~315w max. Popped my Seasonic 1000w in there. No more red lights and total board draw is ~380w now and no more sporadic "chunk" (as she called it). That poor Zalman....lol.

I don't think anyone is surprised at Nvidia continuing to grossly put shareholders over consumers even when it is blatant and priced ridiculously. Jensen is all over PandoCryptoPricing (PCP) like me and Reese Cups. 😁 Hopefully the dismal 4080 sales continue instead of higher end GPU buyers feeling painted into a corner to buy that flaming turd. AMD may provide much relief and even some buyers jumping ship. I returned 1x 11900k and 2x 12900k chips to them no problem but in my defense I buy a crap ton of stuff from them yearly for myself, family, friends and clients. If you haven't returned many items lately, you should have no problems buying a CPU, trying it and then returning it. Buying multiples? You may trip their system and they WILL warn you at the counter or refuse returns.

Yep, looks about right. I have the KPE 3090ti 360 AIO up top because that puppy generates crazy heat. With my original KPE 3090 I ran it in the front and EVGA CLC 360 in the side with exhaust up top and the heat generation was savage. Fantastic for the KPE 3090, not so great for the internals and CPU. As soon as I switched to a top exhaust and moved the CPU 420 to the front temps improved drastically (as expected). If I move back to an EVGA CLC 360 I am going to mount it on the back vertical and have both it and the KPE 3090ti continue to exhaust and have intakes on the front and bottom and run some tests with anbd without a rear exhaust. I'd prefer fresh air in and heated air dual exhausting from the CPU/GPU.

Ditto I'm losing steam real quick. I've lost my zest for even a 13900k and I sold my BNIB Classified Z690. I listed my KPE 3090ti at a, "Price i'm willing to sell" point (~$1950) but if it doesn't sell *shoulder shrug*. I have completely lost interest in the 4090 and the only thing that has me curious is a 7900XTX atm on the higher end but if I end up riding out my 3090ti I'm am more than fine with that. I have contemplated selling off my Strix D4 + mem and swap in a KP Z690 bundle since I still have this set of 2x16GB A die heatsinked DDR5 modules on the shelf to play with. Right now, I have a used 12400 coming in and I'm picking through some budget (sub $100) boards along with all the other components on hand to build out another PC I am going to equip with my A380 to set up for my daughter. That's the next plan of attack for myself. I have both a mATX/itx and full ATX case on hand. Still haven't had a chance to test the A770 @Mr. Fox sorry.

Best way to document a product working / existing before shipping is to print out the packing invoice and include it in the screen shot showing the actual sale. Claiming defective is the battle cry when someone buys the wrong part / is incompetent to trouble shoot properly. I've taken a couple of returns on a few items that were claimed to be broken or not working and they worked just fine. Most recent was my set of G.Skill 4x8GB b-die sticks. I took them back (what's the use in most cases in not doing it? eBay is going to decide in their favor or their CC will), tested them, showed him they were working. I then asked about his setup. Told him his motherboard is not QVL certified for this memory and helped point him in the right direction. He ended up leaving me positive feedback and PayPal'd me directly all my costs incurred along with an apology. You can blame eBay, but in any other situation as a seller on any other platform, buyers would have nearly the same power of return if not more especially with a real credit card backing it up. Hopefully it comes back in the same shape it was sent and the buyer just doesn't know what he's doing.

I learned my lesson a long time ago with International sales and eBay. Absolutely zero protection and you are at the mercy of the other country's consumer laws which routinely rule in their favor. Once I had two items go "missing" one arrived "damage" and another user open a PayPal case to return a CPU after over 6 months of use and WIN from Australia, I swore off International anything with eBay and even P2P except for wire transfers or selling to known associates. I have people message and asked about International sales and I simply tell them I do not do it anymore because of rampant fraud with zero checksum systems in place to counter it. I am sure the bulk of International buyers are on the up and up but the International loopholes and frequent conflict of country consumer laws has me giving it a big thumbs down. On the other hand, the new eBay buyer/seller systems make it much harder to scam as a seller and give eBay much more control to weed out shady buyers but even then if given a choice I'd prefer to sell to known associates or F2F.

Having sold on eBay for over 20 years across multiple accounts, I can absolutely guarantee the feedback for buyers is incredibly low overall even when you drop a little note in their package. With eBay now refreshing feedback yearly in regards to rating (but still showing total lifetime feedback for the account), feedback can make or break you quickly. As for the seller, he has one negative in the last 6 months with 238 PS5 sales dating back to over a year yet his feedback from those sales is a fraction of the actual sell rate. He clearly locks in on markup able items and sells them and has locked in on 4090 FE cards. My main point is the sell through rate of his cards at the 2200-2300 price point as an example of the much lower demand overall vs the Pandcrypto boom where those cards would have went for much more and sold much quicker. It is also no coincidence he upped his inventory count by a few yesterday to coincide with Best Buy's mini drop of cards which included some 4080's and a few 4090's FE included. He finally sold out today.

Such a sick deal. I tried every way to justify picking this up lol. I even tried to justify it by wanting to go water! This was such a fantastic deal in every aspect. Congrats @1610ftw!

Exactly, more legislation will not fix the problem. Scalping is as old as time (for us older generation I can remember buying scalped tickets to a few concerts back in the day). Speculation time: /* I think some of these scalpers are loading up knowing the return window is extended now to Jan 2023 for the Holidays. I would be curious to see how the "restock" goes in mid to late January if a lot of these GPUs bought to scalp do not sell and scalpers return them in droves. */ I keep trying to touch on the newness of the 4000 series, initial rush of sales and the market calming down as a part of each *normal* GPU cycle release. A lot of buyers are still feeling the effects of a once in our lifetime scenario (fingers crossed) with the Pandemic, China Tariffs, Crypto-Boom and supply line issues. Nvidia and even AMD would have you believe that product is scarce and BUY NOW or you're doomed is the answer. With inflation and a recession around the corner, demand will curtail even faster than normal. Just looking at eBay availability and pricing lets you know it is nothing like before. For ~33 days, we only had the 4090. Now (for better or worse) we have the 4080 and on the 13th we will have the 7900XTX and 7900XT. More product and buyer choice and opportunity will flatten demand even faster. ~Feb 2023 will be a clear checksum of where the market stands.

Yep 100% spot on. Nvidia is unabashedly using pandemic-crypto pricing and seeing who will bite. Early adopters bite hard as always. For the record, I am ok with 4090 pricing relatively speaking and with 4090 taking the performance crown Nvidia won't price down on that top tier unless demand noticeably drops. Agreed 100%. Unfortunately it is hard to curb capitalism in that fashion on a micro scale as you are hindering a free market and effectively not letting the market speak for itself but I understand the reasons for wanting it. I wouldn't mind seeing some type of measures implemented as scalpers are another cog in the supply chain inflating prices sometimes there are multiple cogs of scalpers pushing prices even higher (Scalper A buys and resells to Scalper B who lists it even higher) but on a retailer / reseller level. You really do not want the government stepping in. In this scenario, Newegg, Walmart, Amazon, StockX, eBay and more are equally complicit for allowing relisting and scalping on their own retail platforms to collect 3rd party seller fees; as we witnessed during the Pandemic, Amazon and eBay have the means to disallow certain inflated listings and cap prices on certain items but then again GPUs are a luxury item to a degree It gets real murky real quick. Resellers simply don't care. They collect their profits as a retailer and seller fees from reselling the same products through third party vendors. Win/Win for them too. I'm routinely in conflict between gross profiteering and letting the free market speak freely. More legislation is rarely the answer.