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  1. electrosoft
    I'm not sure if that was with stock BIOS or Prema but either way I agree. We're both in the same boat with 2080S so the 3080 upgrade is ho hum at best.
  2. electrosoft
    No one yet has tried it, but I can't see a reason one wouldn't work. Just swap in a KM heatsink or pickup a universal heatsink from Aliexpress and you're good on the hardware front.
  3. electrosoft
    Looks to be about equal with an NH-D15 in this extensive setup and testing review:
  4. electrosoft
    You won't regret it. For true, unbridled performance nothing beats a good desktop. Laptops on the go obviously or when I want to relax in the recliner but outside of that? Desktop all the way. There really isn't anything out there that tickles my fancy except maybe the NH55 which is as close as it has come outside of that BGA GPU. Hopefully an aftermarket HS will pop up on Aliexpress. X170SM-G is running calm, cool and collected. Low to no noise and no thermal throttling anywhere. I do hope Clevo will right the ship even more back to the P870TM'esque days with 13th gen but I'm not holding my breath.
  5. electrosoft
    Are you thinking 4000 series laptop or building out a desktop?
  6. electrosoft
    Yeah I'm enjoying it more than I thought I would but then again I played through and liked all the original games too from original launch so there was a very strong chance I was going to like this one too.
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    In theory yep when it launches late next year or early 2024. Expect the standard Nvidia roll out 4090 first then 4080 then 4070 early next year. Slight wait till the big fish buy the higher end cards then finally 4060 and 4050s limp in. Wait. Then refresh time. I hope that AMD is going to be enough of a threat that Nvidia comes right out of the block and has to offer the 4090ti flagship and like the 1080ti and 2080ti that is the top dog the entire life cycle.
  8. electrosoft
    I'm tempted to get a Classified. Killer price and would tie in nicely with my GPU. Throw in an associate's code discount and knock off another 5%. I'm just wary of 4 slots as I will only use 2. And true, launch pricing was high. It is quickly becoming an end cycle purchasing game now. Top tier boards at substantial discounts, new, with full warranties. I think Classified is basically the FTW in this scenario.
  9. electrosoft
    Agreed.... Only thing we can hope is the glut will cause 4000 series card makers to re-evaluate their launch pricing to realize the Pandemic pricing was an ad hoc outlier situation with so many things that could go wrong did exactly that (Pandemic, Mining, Tariffs oh my.....) and pricing needs to get back to reality especially towards the end of the cycle when I'll be eyeing up a end cycle 4090ti or skipping altogether and getting a 5000 series if needed. WoW Dragonflight apparently has a lot of optimizations and code clean up and runs even better than Shadowlands which did ok @ 4k full Ultra except for two areas known to bring GPUs to their knees (Ardenweald and Bastion). I'm also playing Fallout 76 full 4k max settings and my GPU isn't even going over 130w full load it is so non taxing atm. Even 13th gen doesn't have me excited in any type of way based on early results vs 12th. Early results show 4080 = 3090ti Full fat AD104 is rumored to be 4070ti (not 4070) not launching till late next year. Maybe AMD will bring the high heat this time? EVGA Z690 motherboards back on sale:
  10. electrosoft
    EVGA dropped the price of the FTW3 3090ti's down to $1399.99:
  11. electrosoft
    During the Steam sale I picked up Fallout 76 and put WoW down for a break till Xpac. So far, I'm liking it the 5-6hrs I have in but being a MMO(ish), I am seeing some scary levels on players who have clearly been playing for quite some time. I'm a massive level 4 atm. 🙂
  12. electrosoft
    There is absolutely no reason a system of that caliber with that chip should be thermal throttling at ~76w and hitting 100c everywhere.
  13. electrosoft
    Ditto with the MSI GL66 Pulse w/ 12700h. I went in there and attacked the anemic heatsink and was able to break 17k CB23 but even opening up the extra options in BIOS with this chipset and/or CPU you can't do anything. You set it and it does nothing and this thing needs to be able to adjust PLs, undervolt or both to dial it in.
  14. electrosoft
    Not sure what I love more....the crocs, old hardware or benchmarks! 🙂 I love seeing old GPUs being benched on modern CPUs because they are being pushed to their absolute limit. Good work as always bro!
  15. electrosoft
    So crazy. I remember way back in the day with an MSI-1722 and a C2Q Extreme being a throttling, heating mess going, "something is clearly wrong here," doing some google searches and finding the notebook forums in 2009 and the rest is history....since then every laptop I've had has gotten cracked open and optimized. The trend has continued to this day even BGA garbage gets ripped open and addressed. Awesome! I reached a point I busted out a spiral notebook and started jotting down torque levels and correlating successful boots, memory channels working and synthetic benches either glitching, freezing or BSODs and after a few days of hours of testing and torque levels it all pointed to that bottom left screw as problematic. Not to absolve the other two but that bottom left was consistently causing issues. Sheesh, 1.601v on this constrained environment? What was the package pull on that? 😁
  16. electrosoft
    Maybe order a couple (or more) of those at 4.35 and see if you can drill some new mounting holes to match and shoehorn it into the NH55.... Just about everytime a good delid results in better temps sometimes extreme. (10c+).
  17. electrosoft
    Yeah, that 12900k is a prime specimen for the NH55 that would love a good delid especially with looking to optimize thermals since it has such a good V/F at that critical juncture. Looking at the early Dell numbers for their Precision w/ 12950HX, those numbers are going to have to improve drastically quickly to get in the ballpark of what the NH55 is putting out especially with a good chip. I can't wait to see the results with a good delid. After that, some pairing tests see if you need to use Nanogrease Extreme or if the spread and pressure is good enough to step up and use something else or even liquid metal if the pair is good enough and a foam bridge if you want to be daring.
  18. electrosoft
    I spent an hour or so pouring through all my collected data, both personal and from other forums, of V/F curves and I can't find another 12900k that has that low of a V/F point @ 4200mhz so you clearly have a winner in that aspect. Even my 12900k isn't sub 1v. It is 1.014v @ 4200. That goes to show you for our purposes with this particular model SP rating and overclocking has its limits on that low end. Only thing that would trump it would be a cooler running chip assuming you run into thermal throttling at 4.0-4.2. But if no thermal throttling just PL reached I would call it a wrap with that one. Congrats bro!
  19. electrosoft
    That makes a lot of sense at that V/F point. That voltage is better than almost every 12900k I've seen including some monster SP96-SP100 chips. How did your other 12900k's and 12900ks faire? And yeah, that is one good indicator but if it is a leaky/hot chip a lot of that goes right out the window.
  20. electrosoft
    So true, but for him there will be zero OC's everywhere even if I switched to Intel it would be near stock across the board. I've been running pcpartpicker scenarios and it still is a bit too expensive so far even going with Gigabyte (which I do not want) and tossing in some of my parts so the wait continues.
  21. electrosoft
    Right in the pills! 😁 Most likely letting more units go because (shockingly) the E-1 launch didn't go anywhere near what they planned (what? 5k semi prebuilt with a $1.5k case didn't rush out the door? I'm shocked 🙂 ).
  22. electrosoft
    If all you do is general use and gaming is your only taxing computing task, 5800X3D makes all types of sense price and performance. If my sole taxing criteria was gaming only at 1080p or 1440p and my games loved the 5800X3D architecture I would have zero problems going with a 5800X3D and an AMD GPU. I can literally get a basic betty B550 + uber cheap 3200 2x16GB sticks and get out of the box performance on this level decimating everything in its path: Default all: Tuned ram: Max OC and Max tuned ram: All he plays is FFXIV and WoW and quite frankly you have to tweak the snot out of a 12th gen system AND run a 12900k (pray for a good IMC and a good MB to handle that speed) along with higher end memory and tweak everything to match the performance of a 5800X3D to finally eclipse it with a basic board and 3200 (yes 3200) sticks of memory since that V cache absolutely sings with WoW, FFXIV and many other games. Even a 12600k has to be pushed with an OC and hope you get a good IMC to run 4000+ DDR4 or 6600+ DDR5 and even then it doesn't match the performance of the 5800X3D + 3200. Seeing as I had a couple 12900k's not even be able to break 3733....... I would never push any type of OC on his system. Maybe some primary and terts tweaking a little but nothing like the constant tweaking and modding I do on my own systems with the memory, CPU and GPU. It's all about 24/7 stability and game ready. Of course if your games do not take advantage of that monster cache then re-evaluate your situation. His games (and many others) do. WoW runs better e-cores off as regardless of the scheduler it still takes frequent trips over to those e-cores and you get these erratic drops in fps for a few seconds before it finds its way home. Hopefully they can fix that in the future. GPU wise, he will game at 1080p or 1440p high refresh and doesn't care a hoot about RT nor NVENC and the 6900xt is a monster at that resolution for WoW providing 3090 level performance at a now $700 price point. Turn on SAM and it gets even better vs rebar. WoW supports FSR but not DLSS. Price:Performance 5800X3D + 6900XT (or 6950XT if they get crazy low prices too) for gaming (especially depending on games) is a killer combo and the logical choice. From a pure WoW perspective, if I wanted max frames at 4k, AMD GPUs with FSR make the most sense but I won't give up RT nor do I want image upscaling. Nvidia still rules the roost for 4k gaming.
  23. electrosoft
    Temps progression logs playing WoW aka Operation can I play this as quietly as possible? 30-60 min play time in WoW results (my main criteria). Includes flight runs in Ardenweald, Bastion (hardest hitting zones in the entire game) and one raid run. When I first got the laptop = 92c on CPU / 76c GPU Cleaned everything up, used nanogrease extreme 30 min = 88c on CPU / 71c GPU Went back in fixed a bent side on the GPU retention. re-delidded/lidded original binned ZtecPC CPU = 85c on CPU / 65c on GPU (GPU ok now) Picked up an SL 10900k no delid or tampering 82c right out of the box. Switched screws for CPU retention. Picked up an LTX Golden 10900k already delidded. Relidded w/ BartX Nickel IHS = 83c Relidded LTX Golden 10900k with stock IHS temp = 77c. Clearly BartX did not like the X170SM but stock IHS is working better. Used torque controlled screw driver to find optimal torque without black screens. dropping LTX temps down to 73 LTX delid temps clearly beating SL even though SL is superior chip. Delid and relid SL 10900k with stock IHS. As soon as I started playing I knew next level was hit because the fans were barely moving during my entire play sessions. Final top out temps = 68c. If I forced the fans to run as they were with the >70c temps it would have probably been a smidge lower: I think I've optimized this thing as much as I possibly can. Maybe get back in there and play around with the memory to see how much more I can optimize it. Also pick up a dual rank set of sticks to compare against Jarrod's report of memory gains. @Clamibot while using a torque controlled screw driver and doing a lot of trial and error I did identify on my X170SM-G it was the lower left CPU screw that causes black screens when tension is too high. The single and right screw? I could tighten those as much as I wanted just about (within reason) and the unit still booted fine. I'm wondering if it is a combination of sensitivity and retention lever pressure on that side.
  24. electrosoft
    Asrock 6900xt and 6950xt down to 850 and 1000.... I told my son on law to hold off and wait a bit because he's chomping at the bit to have me build him a desktop. If he plays his cards right, he will save a nice chunk and get a killer 6900xt + 5800X3D system that will last him for years considering he's still playing on a 4810mq / 970m laptop and doing ok. His budget is right around 1500 and that pricing for a high end system is becoming a reality. I have parts galore to help round it out for him so he can fit his budget too if needed.
  25. electrosoft
    Gear 2 on 11th and 12th gen laptops DDR4 is garbage since the design limitations usually cap the memory at 3200 range along with absolutely atrocious latency. 11th gen, best G1 chip I had topped out at 3933. 12th gen gets around 4266 single rank, 4133 dual rank. I also ran into many 11th gen chips that couldn't go over 3600 and a few 12th gen that couldn't go over 3733. I refer to RKL as Intel's Frankenchip. That "we have to offer something" phase between 10th and 12th. For 12th, slowly, but surely DDR5 will fully eclipse DDR4 even running in G2 in all aspects but it isn't quite there yet.
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