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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Absolutely. Had bad startups and crashes until I replaced my recalled Corsair 1200w. Just posted in this thread a bit ago about a failing 700w PSU with the wife's 3080. I would have recommended getting an EVGA PSU when their prices were crazy good but recently their prices have pushed upward and the sales aren't great on anything. -
It's been over a month and my X170SM-G is still down for the count with the defective 2080S. Zoltan got back to me from ZtecPC and Clevo said they have the card to source but it is taking forever to get it punched through and delivered. I've been existing on my MSI GL66 Pulse 12700h/3070 for laptop use the last month or so. I've kinda adapted to it (what other choice did I have? heh). The CPU I dubbed the "Frankenchip" and rightfully so. Still, if you can get a good sample in there depending on use case it is an upgrade for sheer IPC gains for lower threaded uses. The hybrid heatsinks are so cheap now and support both 2000 and 3000 series it might be worth it to order one just to play around.
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Every segment counts. Even if Data Center revenue goes nuclear it doesn't mean he wants to suffer gamer market contraction or more important lose market share to AMD or Intel. One thing Apple taught us is that every market segment counts whether it is a 200mil/yr segment or 20bil/yr segment. #AllProfitsMatter -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Or you leave the 4080 as is to give the perception of incredible value high (4090) or low (4070ti) if you go $1599.99 and even $799.99. Equally spaced ($1599.99 - $1199.99 - $799.99) also comes into play. Let's accept the 4090 is going to remain at $1599.99 because it clearly overall outclasses anything and everything available. Expect the 4090ti to clock in at $1999.99. Everything else for numerous reasons is in play for pricing. If the 7900xt buries the 4070ti Nvidia has a lot of thinking to do especially if AMD drops it to $799.99. I agree once the initial hype dies down Nvidia is in for a much less lucrative year than experienced during the heights of Ampere. -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
With a less than stellar response to the 4080 16gb (Never mind during the heaviest buy period during the year) and with AMD on the horizon with a $999 4080 16GB slayer on deck, $799 is realistic pricing....$699.99 if he wants to actually content price:performance against AMD. -
lol, glad to know even bottom barrel 10th gen CPUs will work in there! X170SM/KM are very sensitive to CPU retention pressure and if the retention screws are too tight it may boot but once put under load and heat expansion it can crash and come to a screeching halt. Did it just "boot" or did you reseat/adjust tension?
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Are Celeron CPUs confirmed working in the X170SM-G? I assume they are but you never know. Either way, the H410 motherboard will quickly provide clarity. Either this or a small bit of solder on the pads to assure contact for a quick test. Good luck with the H410 tests!
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I thought on the old forums he said adding 11th gen support was too problematic for the X170SM-G but maybe something changed since then? Go ahead and ask away. Worse case scenario we're in the same boat as now. 🙂
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Were you running any type of OC? Newest BF2042 patch hits the CPU hard with much higher stress on multi-cores (much better performance too it seems). Hopefully you can figure out if it is potentially the system board or CPU (or both) that got slammed.
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Even pure stock there were issues. My brother's 5600x Gigabyte B550 system (which he still uses to this day) on the newest BIOS still has USB issues and it is pure stock with 3200mhz QVL memory. I installed a USB card a while back for him to help with the issues. My 5800x system even rock stock still had drop outs with an MSI X570 Tomahawk. They did increase in frequency when overclocking and pushing the IF but even at stock there were still problems. Unlike my brother, I wasn't willing to continue to deal with them and jettisoned the entire subsystem and returned to Intel. New (and expensive) hardware in a fatigued, saturated market quickly let AMD know high prices weren't going to fly with AM5. Nvidia is learning that lesson ever so slowly with the 4080. I'm greatly looking forward to the post holiday system to see demand drop even further and Nvidia, Intel and AMD have to adjust their pricing for the first time in a long time overall. -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Tweaking is a very small subset of users. We're just so enmeshed in it because just about everyone in this thread gets under the hood to fine tune their systems. Once you're out there amongst joe average user, all they want to do is turn it on and go and when something doesn't work right have someone like us fix it for them. Asus and Asrock make X670 motherboards with TB4 functionality. -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
That is Intel pulling an Nvidia and keeping software not only optmized for Intel but purposely defaulting to sub-optimal code when it picks up on an AMD (or non-Intel) CPU but yeah. MKL works on AMD but it isn't anywhere near the best choice. For MKL Intel is a no brainer. RocM runs on consumer cards but no Windows support, poor Py support and overall just doesn't compete with CUDA for ML. If I was doing AI/ML, I would go Nvidia no questions asked. AMD is making great inroads but Nvidia is still just such a tightly knit, optimized and polished product with such far ranging support it becomes problematic for AMD. Nvidia continues to maintain the performance crown and their added features (Nvenc, Cuda, RT and to a degree DLSS) are just superior to AMD too. On the other hand, if you're a pure gamer AMD is a compelling option even last generation and this one too. Looking forward to the reviews for much needed clarity. -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
What board do you use now? Are you able to save even more and just update your BIOS and drop in a 5950x as is for now? Their drivers get a bad rap but they've gotten better over the years. The core issue still remains raw hardware performance and added value. AMD has made massive strides and I'm genuinely interested in the 7900xtx but Nvidia is still the overall performance champ and Nvenc is supported everywhere. DLSS vs FSR is becoming a wash though for those that care about such things. I still wish that Intel would launch a major performance / extreme edition of the 13th gen with all P-Cores and let it be know for a 10-12 core model you WILL need well above average cooling or deal with lowered clocks. They could even offer a red line fever boost algorithm like the 7950x. As for Nvidia, it is rare to find a corporation that properly tempers capitalism with consumerism. It is just a matter of how much askew they operate. Nvidia unabashedly pushes profiteering knowing they are sitting on the dominant product. Their time will eventually come. -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Problem is Nvidia really has no rivals in the GPU AI market space right now and their overall discrete (none of that Intel/AMD integrated malarkey) GPU market share still sits at ~80% overall. AMD actually made inroads last year when selection was poor but when the market returned to somewhat normal forces, that ~4% they gained (from 20% to 24%) rapidly dissolved back to 20%. Nvidia is the absolute, dominant force in the GPU market and Jensen knows it. Pricing aside, they have and continue to make the outright superior product while AMD continues to make inroads but if leaked benchmarks are to be believed, the 7900XTX *is* going to crush the 4080 but when the dust clears the 4090 is still the top dog just like the 3090ti was vs the 6950xt; but it's looking like even though the 7900xtx will trade blows with the 4090 in pockets, the 4090 may have an overall bigger lead this time around vs the 7900xtx on raster and RT than the 3090ti vs 6950xt. Price:Performance is clearly going to be AMD unless Nvidia goes for the kill and adjusts the 4080 down to $899 and introduces a 4080ti $1199 7900xtx slayer. -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
3090ti, 4080 and 4090 use ECC. Rest of Ampere use EDR. -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Very nice to see for the first time in a long time a new Nvidia GPU not sell out on Best Buy immediately. 4080 dropped around 12EST. 4EST and plenty still in stock including a few open boxes of them. -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
In many of these cases you have them running Y-Cruncher or similar and just red lining their CPUs for hours in not only pull but equally (or more) important temps. If you want to sit there and have your CPU plow through Y-Cruncher at 88c+ be my guest that's not my cup of tea. For every OC'er that posts a killer OC with their own testing criteria, you will always...ALWAYS have someone yip in about, "Well what about OCCT? Y-Cruncher? P95? Run that for a Bazillion Hours and let's see!" Like some of these OC's are D2D? When I see those posts I just grimace and move to the next. I may do OC runs for shiggles that momentarily (less than a few minutes) hit high temps but my D2D is always about finding the sweet spot of a good clock at the lowest pull (even stock). This especially extends to my laptop use. The two modes of operation can co-exist and are not mutually exclusive. @tps3443 the nature of your setup helps prevent those sustained, high temp runs that in unison with pull *may* cause degradation. -
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Nice! Now let's see how it compares to your other monster see if it can handle some of those settings. 🙂 -
Confirmed. I even tried my old 11900k in my X170SM-G w/ the newest and final Prema and it was a no go.
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Nvidia has found the consumer spending limit for certain tiered products. I do wonder what the scenario would look like without AMD and their 7900xt/xtx on the horizon. Nvidia is still king but AMD has made huge strides with RDNA and RDNA2. If everything progresses as it should, Nvidia will eventually have to start adjusting like Intel has to now with AMD and their CPUs. -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
My wife had been complaining that playing wow it would get "chunky" in spots. I went in there to run her toon through some 5 players and raids for the free loot give away during the next few weeks and it would be fine one moment then frame drop then fine. I spent today running all types of tests and everything pointed to the GPU or PSU so I loaded up TSE to loop and not 20 seconds in the red light on the PCIE lead came on. Shut everything down, cut the power, reboot run it again and...red light then another red light. Crack open her case and I had forgotten I had put a 700w Zalman PSU in there when she used to run a 3060 then 3070. I had also flipped her card from Q mode to P mode a few weeks back. That poor PSU! 😅 It tried to hang in there as long as it could before it started giving up the ghost. GPU-Z showed total board draw at ~315w max. Popped my Seasonic 1000w in there. No more red lights and total board draw is ~380w now and no more sporadic "chunk" (as she called it). That poor Zalman....lol. -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
I don't think anyone is surprised at Nvidia continuing to grossly put shareholders over consumers even when it is blatant and priced ridiculously. Jensen is all over PandoCryptoPricing (PCP) like me and Reese Cups. 😁 Hopefully the dismal 4080 sales continue instead of higher end GPU buyers feeling painted into a corner to buy that flaming turd. AMD may provide much relief and even some buyers jumping ship. I returned 1x 11900k and 2x 12900k chips to them no problem but in my defense I buy a crap ton of stuff from them yearly for myself, family, friends and clients. If you haven't returned many items lately, you should have no problems buying a CPU, trying it and then returning it. Buying multiples? You may trip their system and they WILL warn you at the counter or refuse returns. -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Yep, looks about right. I have the KPE 3090ti 360 AIO up top because that puppy generates crazy heat. With my original KPE 3090 I ran it in the front and EVGA CLC 360 in the side with exhaust up top and the heat generation was savage. Fantastic for the KPE 3090, not so great for the internals and CPU. As soon as I switched to a top exhaust and moved the CPU 420 to the front temps improved drastically (as expected). If I move back to an EVGA CLC 360 I am going to mount it on the back vertical and have both it and the KPE 3090ti continue to exhaust and have intakes on the front and bottom and run some tests with anbd without a rear exhaust. I'd prefer fresh air in and heated air dual exhausting from the CPU/GPU. -
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electrosoft replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Ditto I'm losing steam real quick. I've lost my zest for even a 13900k and I sold my BNIB Classified Z690. I listed my KPE 3090ti at a, "Price i'm willing to sell" point (~$1950) but if it doesn't sell *shoulder shrug*. I have completely lost interest in the 4090 and the only thing that has me curious is a 7900XTX atm on the higher end but if I end up riding out my 3090ti I'm am more than fine with that. I have contemplated selling off my Strix D4 + mem and swap in a KP Z690 bundle since I still have this set of 2x16GB A die heatsinked DDR5 modules on the shelf to play with. Right now, I have a used 12400 coming in and I'm picking through some budget (sub $100) boards along with all the other components on hand to build out another PC I am going to equip with my A380 to set up for my daughter. That's the next plan of attack for myself. I have both a mATX/itx and full ATX case on hand. Still haven't had a chance to test the A770 @Mr. Fox sorry.