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  1. electrosoft
    Re-ordered an XFX Merc 7900xtx with 10% off coupon from BB. Should be here later this week for some more comparisons and analysis especially against reference card data and hotspot inferno on the PC 7900xtx. RTX 4080 still sitting at BB for pickup but I'm going to extend that pickup window till at least the 12th while I work with this XFX 7900xtx a bit personally against my 3090ti data and my Strix 3080. I don't know if I can stomach a 4080 at the price analysis and wanting to go 4090 if I go that direction. Happy New Year everyone!
  2. electrosoft
    I would never expect 2022 prices to match 2020 prices. That doesn't make any sense on any level just based off the CPI. Let's give Nvidia a ~10% profit bump since they are a for profit corporation and their job is to deliver maximum value/profits to their share holders. Let's even toss in 2020 inflation in there and we're looking at what? 15.1%? 4070ti = ~690. Nvidia 10% profit courtesy bump = $759.99 ($799.99 retail) (Not terrible. Not good) 4080 = ~805. Nvidia 10% profit courtesy bump = $899.99 ($1199.99 retail) (Highway robbery) 4090 = ~1726. Nvidia 10% profit courtesy bump = $1899.99 (An actual much better value than the 3090) The 4090 is clearly a "good deal" (relatively speaking). 4070ti isn't full on highway robbery but protect your valuables. 4080 is flat out robbing us blind. I'm not sure what laws Nvidia would be breaking in regards to the FTC setting their own prices. It is early on but AMD continues to sell out everywhere. I'm sure by ~Feb 2023 (30-50 days from now) we will really get to see things settle down as we emerge from the holiday season and start to move into GPU saturation a touch past early adopters. I've seen plenty of 4090s stagnating on eBay now at their inflated prices which is a good sign. Applying these metrics to AMDs cards the 7900xt/xtx: 7900xtx = ~1151. AMD 10% profit courtesy bump = $1266 ($999.99 retail) (an actual much better value than the 6900xt) 7900xt = ~746. AMD 10% profit courtesy bump = $820 ($899.99 retail) (Not terrible. Not good. Same as 4070ti) I'm not sure what kind of "price cuts" people are expecting but for starters the 4080 definitely needs to come down to reality. That is just gross profiteering. 4070ti and 7900xt could also use a shave. 4090 isn't going anywhere down price wise and neither is the 7900xtx anytime soon. Well yeah no way AMD is going to stand up on the podium and go, "Yeah we totally screwed the pooch on this one." 3rd party designs aren't suffering the same fate luckily. Looking at some MSI/GPUZ logs today from our WoW FP DF runs, it looks like the PowerColor 7900xtx he picked up (and has since returned) to MC was indeed hitting ~110 on the HS numerous times with throttling. I'm going to just (re)pick up an XFX Merc 7900xtx from BB and retest again since it has one of the beefier custom HSF out there. Hopefully my 10% off coupon still works (fingers crossed).
  3. electrosoft
    So it's the actual reference VC causing the problem... I'll have to re-review the WoW data we collected with the Powercolor 7900xtx. It might have been a throttling issue in there too.
  4. electrosoft
    I'm curious too about what is the best set of PnP DDR4 sticks of 3200 ram both primary and terts out there for laptops. Closest we have for a YT round up and the effects of better memory on fps is from Jarrod with a x8 / x16 comparison:
  5. electrosoft
    I mean will you extract maximum performance out of your 4090 at 1440p ? No, but it will lead the pack no problem. It just really shines at 4k where it definitively separates from the pack. You will pack plenty of headroom as games get more taxing at 1440p along with it having more scalability as CPUs get more powerful too. I'm all for going for the cheapest models since many still tend to clock up 2900+ but for the cards themselves, if price is no object at all I would go for: MSI Suprim X 4090 Asus Strix 4090 Asus TUF 4090 ZOTAC RTX 4090 AMP Extreme AIRO isn't a bad pick either. My picks for 7900xtx models would be: Nitro+ 7900xtx vapor chamber XFX Merc 7900xtx Asrock Taichi 7900xtx
  6. electrosoft
    For a standard 2560x1440 170hz screen, 4090 is going to run into some CPU bottlenecks from time to time but frame rates will never be a problem for quite a long time and it will grow with several generations of CPUs till equilibrium is established. Specs wise, that looks like a really nice display. A 4090 will be situational overkill till with time it isn't. You will outlast your warranty before the 4090 becomes the problem. I used to say high refresh gaming was overrated but like I said before using my wife's 60hz old school 30" HP display (which I used for years) is painful now after using this 5120x1440 144hz display. Even switching back to my BenQ 4k 60hz G-sync display is noticeable. That chunk is nails on the chalkboard. I've turned into THAT gamer now (hangs head in shame). In order of 4090 cards now non FE: MSI Gaming Trio 4090 (Non OC edition) $1599 USD Gigabyte Windforce 4090 (Non OC edition) $1599 USD Asus Tuf 4090 (non OC edition) $1599 USD
  7. electrosoft
    Good thing it is going out for repair. While doing the clean test install the artifacts kept getting worse and worse till it shut down and now won't boot (blank screen) and all I get is a series of yellow blinking lights on the front indicator light (left one between the two) before it then settles back to green so some diagnostic code. It ships out tomorrow.
  8. electrosoft
    I'm still holding onto hope to get one in before the 1st (long-shot.com) But then there's this too:
  9. electrosoft
    They keep snatching defeat from the jaws of victory and dig themselves in lower and lower. From the massive oversell to the issues to the purposeful limiting I'm kind of at a loss with AMD this time around..... Double glad I cancelled my 7900xtx order from BB. 4090 definitely cheap as possible. $1599.99 model especially with silicon lottery in play and the subpar performances of the Suprim Liquid X 4090 reported here by @Papusan and @johnksss. Still hoping I can snag one off of BB before this 10% coupon expires. Any $1599.99 model will do but it isn't looking promising. 😞 4080 FE @ 1079.99 is ready for pickup (with rewards $1024.99 + tax). I'll let it sit there till after the new year.
  10. electrosoft
    I just flipped through the pics and yeah it clearly was dropped at some point or another with that corner damage and that crack across the back. Seeing the BIOS screen it is clearly a SM and Prema enabled. He sells a lot of Clevo systems so I'm not sure why he has it listed as a KM. lol, two different PSUs. I've never even seen the other model before. As always, you never know the age/use of components inside. I state this as I'm finally shipping off my X170SM-G tomorrow for a long overdue repair on the GPU.
  11. electrosoft
    No RT on in this comparison. In a raster shoot out the 7900xtx is actually a decent card with ~4080 levels of performance and some of the games that favor AMD put it closer to a 4090 than a 4080. For a pure raster gaming card I'd have no problems using a 7900xtx depending on my preferred games.
  12. electrosoft
    Looks like someone snatched this one up so it's gone. Only one left on eBay is a "X170KM-G" but it has a 10900k and 2080S? Looks like some light physical damage too for $1400.00 https://www.ebay.com/itm/275480705689?epid=13056675991&hash=item4023edfa99:g:saQAAOSwgaxjNjcz&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA4IlCNM0VPjO6z7nVNIZO1KlhpeINPo4yDXkxNWYhEzbUjx0SB4Mz%2BqlK7Z%2BcGSQKPlYyZM3Qv%2BwJndDNqFNhBJeKxuPF5%2FPfmSlOeg49FtDHd6MdRFSvcq%2FaKRKnd%2FD0bOJVmucANNIuUAb1I0DeXyUyBl1f8KJHZHtkg%2FjrZLFnmAb6X9KqFoWjwQ8XTLLvqs1rSR2xm5uxMmkEX0KapSuoPpwvT3s4sxAg1XjK5oQYYm9he6gaeWs%2BPOrZAZHkbSs78wrCqDGn%2FMa4CA%2BkZnnStDfOIphRMiiIJHL%2BqUsv|tkp%3ABFBMpoTFrKth
  13. electrosoft
    I just double checked all the reseller links in the main page and RJTech has indeed dropped it. All other links still work though. You will just have to pick one up in a min config (CPU/Mem).
  14. electrosoft
    With the way Ampere and ADL is designed, the only real way to hit those next tiers is with next level cooling which is what the KPE 3090 was designed around and setting world records like the top tier HOF cards. Outside of that, meh, silicon lottery comes into play and it is what it is. 😞 If I picked up a 4090, it is going to be a $1599.99 model same as a 4080 $1199.99 model but if you're an Asus fan and want to pony up $1549 for a 4080 or $1999 for a 4090? Meh, it's your money have at it. 🙂 The one trend I've found in regards to feedback consistently is those who both buy and sell tend to leave feedback more often. Straight buyers view ebay like they view Amazon or Best Buy and tend to not leave feedback same as they tend to not leave reviews. It is frustrating sometimes especially if you don't sell often and your feedback can slide off the 12 month window. As for eBay selling, I used to do my due diligence on local forums but the much smaller pool of buyers simply do not want to pay what most products can and do command for re-sale. Factor in ebay fees even and you can still get back more (sometimes much more) than selling on local boards. eBay having moved the entire buy/sell chain in house and extended security checks does make it a touch more safer for sellers and vastly safer for buyers but in the end outside of cash and carry, bank transfer or to a degree FnF with PP, you are still at the whim of the buyer in many cases. At least with eBay you can establish a track record of sorts in case something happens that will give individual cases more scrutiny than standard CC protection. Very solid truth right here unfortunately.
  15. electrosoft
    This is three generations in the making even before the Ampere Pricing Massacre (AMP). The outrage of the 2080ti price hike.... The indignation of the 3090 price hike... The somber realities of the 4090 price hike... Now that the top halo product has reached a breaking point for pricing, the lower product stack will now be shifted upward since AMP showed Nvidia when pushed consumers can and will pay outlandish prices even for lower tier cards. With those market conditions now gone they want to see how much demand is left for elevated pricing and so far they seem to be doing ok which does not bode well. As for AMD? Even if...IF AMD delivered (which they did not overall) let's not act like $1k is a "great" price. $900 for a 7900xt is the real insult there and actually gives Nvidia room to keep the 4070ti at or near $899.99. I am sure if AMD had delivered a true 4090 competitor it would have been priced >$1k easily. I think the days of lower tier Turing pricing is a thing of the past and this is the new reality or close to it as the lower product stack shifts accordingly in reflection of the top halo product. I hope I'm wrong though as availability will normalize in a few months for the 7900xtx and 4090 (4080s are everywhere along with 7900xt's being readily available). Worst thing that can happen is Nvidia and AMD settle into a comfortable state of detente and choose not to compete on pricing and match price cuts for price cuts. As for "sheeple" 😅 let us not forget many of us dropped $2k on 3090s and I initially dropped 2.5k on a 3090ti (lucky to have gotten back everything back paid in though with EVGA refund and keeping my 1600w P2 PSU). I suspect many of us would have lined up for a KPE 4090 too..... Speaking of which I love good feedback! I wish buyers left it more often (you can tell buyers who never sell most times as they don't even think about feedback).
  16. electrosoft
    Full tilt (11900k / 3080 /64GB / 2TB SSD / 1080p 144hz) X170KM-G on eBay for $2199.99: https://www.ebay.com/itm/125676696537?mkevt=1&mkpid=2&emsid=e90001.m43.l3160&plmtId=700008&mesgId=3024&mkcid=8&ch=osgood&bu=43187209890&trkId=f86014fb-4e09-4301-a4c5-3e08e5b95fd5&cnvId=700003&recoId=125676696537&recoPos=1
  17. electrosoft
    If I had to guess, Prema was doing all BIOS installations remotely per unit for security reasons and has now stopped the process so none of the current units can get it. Refurb means the system board was probably replaced. This doesn't bode well for current SM owners if their system boards die and a replacement is needed even if from ZtecPC. When I get back to it later this week or early next week I'll do a dump. I was going through some old messages to update the launch page and found this one. What ever happened to your X170KM-G project? Did you finish all the steps you wanted to do? Is it up and running properly?
  18. electrosoft
    Yeah I'll get back in there later on this week when things die down a bit. I still have to reconfig my X170SM-G to send in for the RTX 2080 GPU swap. Sometimes you hold out for more and end up with less. I paid $1350 + S&H for it. From what I saw initially with it using it that one day before the holidays I was pleased. I'm so used to receiving laptops (especially Clevos) expecting to get under the hood and fix all types of issues and problems with initial overheating and crashes like my X170SM-G which was a fun perpetual project in motion for months. Not that 14.2k on CB23 is killer but it was high enough I figured there was a small UV running and/or thermal limits were 95-100. No UV and thermal limit capped at 90 and still hitting 14.2k is a good omen for good silicon and for getting it under control with a simple UV and calling it a wrap. Only thing I might explore is a smaller memory kit with vastly better timings than these stock CL22 timings. Outside of that? Not much for now. Were you able to message ZtecPC and see about Prema for your X170SM-G?
  19. electrosoft
    It has an 11900k, 3070, 64GB 3200 and 1TB 980 Pro along with a 144hz 1080p. It is this one from fleabay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/304738788852 It arrived last week and looks almost brand new but I've been crazy busy with the holidays and such. I did manage to set it up and do a couple of stock runs on it with Timespy and CPU-Z and play some WoW before putting it on the shelf till this week but didn't grab a screen shot of course. Out of the box it scored ~11.5k in Timespy and ~14.2k in CB23 so some room for improvement on the CPU front. That was pure stock zero undervolts applied and their BIOS is set to 90c threshhold even so that bodes well for a decent silicon sample. Outside of gaming or CPU stress, the system is really quiet. It is MUCH better than the unit I picked up last winter used on eBay from XoticPC I returned which was crashing right out of the box and had a defective keyboard. I set this one to loop for 30 minutes. Came back and it was just trucking along no problems. Bios is a custom BOXX variant. I had never heard of this company before but apparently they specialized in dedicated workstations and such. It is running 4x16GB 3200 no problem. The Xotic one wouldn't even boot with 4 sticks of anything in it last year. GPU runs in the 60's full load both GPU and hot spot. Everything just *works* with a clean install of W11. This may be one of those RARE situations if I set a good UV and it hits the proper ~15.4k in CB23 without throttling I'm good to go. I even played WoW for an hour and CPU tops out at 80c. I had to work all types of magic with my X170SM-G to get the temps down playing WoW with a 10900k even my Silicon Lottery golden chip I ended up having to delid and with all the ZtecPC Prema magic I finally got it gaming with a max of 78c on the chip. The fact this one tops out at 80c and fans aren't at max AND zero undervolt yet bodes well for a good piece of silicon inside. So far, much better experience this time around.
  20. electrosoft
    Good news. Heard back from Zoltan last week that the new replacement 2080S is in stock to replace my defective 2080S in my X170SM-G. I am also having them clean up all that K5 Pro and just use stock thermal pads with the 2080S. I'll be switching back in the original memory, 256GB SSD and swapping in a Celeron G5900 before shipping it off for the GPU swap. I don't want to take any chances of any mishaps with this choice, golden 10900k that is in there.
  21. electrosoft
    Good and fair post bro. Since we're both coming at this from different system requirements it makes sense we're looking at it differently. I too found my KPE 3090ti was clocking in at ~23.5k on Timespy initially on a W11 install but on a fresh install of W10 it dropped back down to 21.5k. I never did have time to sort it out before I sold it. I did contemplate grabbing a much lower priced 3090ti if one popped up used on eBay and pocketing the ~$700-800 difference. From a gamers perspective 24GB is just a juicy luxury to have but for someone who can actually take advantage of it in their D2D use over 16GB like NVlink it is a deal breaker. Based upon original MSRP, the 4080 (and 4090 actually) are priced below the 3090ti which was $1999.99. 3090 was $1499.99. What still stands out is the gross mark up for the xx80 class cards from $699.99 to $1199.99. You can clearly see Nvidia is trying to shift the overall product stack pricing upward and not by a tiny margin. NVlink was only available for the xx90 class card with Ampere but still removing it from the 4090 when it was clearly capable really boxes in the longevity for certain segments. I stopped using SLI after the 280 series in desktops so it has never been a thing for me but I get it. I dunno man....I think Nvidia's moves trump Alienware's at this point. 😞 The fact it took that much outrage for them to back off of the "4080 12GB" nonsense speaks volumes.
  22. electrosoft
    If your applications require 24GB, the 4080 isn't even on your radar....the 4090 is and that is a small segment and the 4090 just pummels the 3090ti even moreso. If NV link is a requirement none of the 4000 cards are on your map. So you're effectively stuck with Ampere till you are forced to move on and depending on your workflow your use case for being stuck relies solely around NVlink. Anything else 4000 series is the answer whether 4080 or 4090. So your argument is there are special circumstances where the 3090/3090ti are needed and that is NVLink basically? Ok. If I need 24GB I'm going to go get a 4090 at this point. Runs much cooler, less power hungry and superior in every capacity.
  23. electrosoft
    24gb is for a targeted audience and SLI is dead even on the 4090. I'd love to see Nvidia bring it back for a 4090ti though since we know the PCB has the pins for it. 3090ti runs like a (big sexy) furnace. Aesthetics and size is subjective. I love the idea of slapping on these monster coolers to the 4080 and 4090 class cards. Architecturally and computationally it is a superior card. You can pick the nits but it just is. Slap the card in and it will beat a 3090ti across the board. Now, is it a slap in the face and an insult from Nvidia to increase the price of the xx80 tier card by $500 AND try to shove a 4070 down our throats for $899 calling it a 4080 12GB? Absolutely. Is the 4090 vastly superior? Yep. But the 4080 is the better card. I remember that chip. It was a monster. Between that and stepping on the other one.....yikes. I double checked the distance between us to make sure it was enough to not pick up any bit of that bad run of luck.
  24. electrosoft
    I know we had this discussion before with your former 2080ti vs 3090 🤣 but you can't compare a heavily OC'd card vs a stock card. It has to be stock vs stock or OC vs OC. 4080 is a flat out superior card over the 3090 and 3090ti. Jaw droppingly so? No, but definitely there. 4090 is a god slayer.... Either way, if I had a 3090 or 3090ti I wouldn't even look at a 4080. 4090 all the way or just stick with what you have till next gen. I still say Nvidia drops a 4090ti next year for $1999.99 for FE edition but we'll see.
  25. electrosoft
    Looking good bro! Achievement Unlocked! lol, you should water cool them to extract a little more performance out of the Papucrocs! Ah, ok. Not like it isn't a ripper of a card all things considered (price, lack of legacy support).
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