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Definitely keep it. CENS is a straight up guy, but for all you'll get out of it and where you'll take it I'd definitely keep it. Even a 13900KS isn't promised to be better just better than the average garbage 13900k. Plenty of 12900ks chips were garbage and barely met the criteria while running nice and toasty. You bought a new 13900k, got a killer sample....enjoy it for the next few years!

Agreed, personally $1600 would be a good starting point and even 2k isn't out of the question unless somehow a Kingpin Z790 is in the mix. 🙂 As for AMD, that sounds about right with the 2x knowing MPT and even AMD tools coupled with AIBs and 3x 8-pins is going to allow them to push hard like before along with better coolers and blocked cards. If AMD has found ~375w limit works with 12188 SPs and 2700 boost clocks, imagine AIB models..... yum. 🙂

I think the real question is does a thread/area of that nature have a valid place here on these forums that are structured around technology? Is it worth the potential moderator headaches and what is the upside? If you're talking about a simple, "Off topic anything goes except religion and politics" area, then I'm all for that. If you're including religion and politics that is where we diverge. 🙂 It isn't even an issue of them being out of stock / current pricing because over the next month everything will normalize as demand is filled and they will be available everywhere. The real question is about winning the lottery and having a very good bin to enjoy, delid, maximize even more and see where you can push your "Mo-Chillah" setup with it which is something you truly enjoy.....or at least I've seen with your last few CPUs even back to the 8086k. Money has its limits. What price is worth it to spin the wheel again knowing the odds of landing a similar chip or slim to none? If you can calculate your sell price that outweighs your desire to work with good silicon....that is your starting point. "For an extra 1k in my pocket AND a 13900k to replace it?" Because that that would be a ~1.6k selling point.

Many forums employ an, "Anything goes / off topic" area and they are a blessing and a curse. I say this as someone who has moderated forums before numerous times over the decades. Blessing is you can redirect all off topic / hot topics to that area and let everyone know this is where it belongs and what comes in here stays in here. Non-standard discussions can happen, users can vent and well civilized members know how to leave it at the door and be open minded of everyone and everything while they argue their viewpoints and carry on. The curse is rarely do feelings or emotions stay constrained in that thread and tend to spill out into other areas with chips on shoulders everywhere as forum members will carry over their opinions of other members into their posts and it eventually shows. Even worse, you will attract the dregs (on all sides) who will simply join just to pour fuel on the fire. I remember seeing new members sign up on previous sites/forums/BBSes/Usenet JUST to post in the off topic areas and stir the pot. Politics and religion are really persona non grata in most forums because you end up with a festering wound that never can truly heal once it bursts. Personally, whenever politics or religion enter the fray, I tend to quickly scroll by and keep it moving. If I want my fair share of religion and politics I'll check my Facebook for that (In all seriousness I don't engage there either). I remember on NBR there were quite a few flare ups over the years once Politics / religion somehow worked their way into tech threads and mods had to clean up quite a bit.

Nice! Good to know it isn't the memory itself and the motherboard in G2. How does it work in G1? I definitely like the overall colors and vertical mount really dials it in. Quite honestly I'd keep it even for $1k. Top tier new gen CPUs that are truly golden can command 1.5-2k. Or another way to look at it: is it worth selling for what will amount to ~$300 profit when everything is said and done? How much did you pay? Subtract fees, S&H and you don't have much left over. What you DO have is a top tier chip that is crushing everything in its site and is a top 10% silicon at the very worst. You will have a killer bin you will enjoy for at least a few years and you haven't even delidded it yet. Remember all the joy you experienced as you continued to extract every bit of performance out of your 11900k over the last few years. I wouldn't let it go for less than 1.5k if you are about the $$$.

EVGA is ALWAYS late with their motherboards. It's the longest, saddest running joke for EVGA fans. 😞 Motherboards and K|NGP|N cards always arrive way later than the competition every cycle....

MSI makes solid boards. I was highly impressed with my MSI Z490 and Z590 (which is now running in my son in law's system). EVGA, Asus and MSI are basically my go to board vendors now. EVGA has the Z790 Dark and classified coming up: https://www.evga.com/articles/01590/Introducing-the-EVGA-Z790/ They are still offering all their products, selling out of the rest of their 3000 series and just not making 4000 series cards. Nothing else has changed (unless I missed something?). They are also focusing on Power Supplies too so expect a new line of PSUs soon (or at least that is what they intimated to Steve @ GN).

I saw the same issues across two Gigabyte Z590 boards. More Vcore required to achieve the same results as my Asus Prime and Hero and MSI Z590 boards. Gigabyte was the worst of the bunch by far. I had similar issues with a Z490 Gigabyte board too. I won't be using them again.

Absolutely true. Rasterization is going to be a monster but everything else will most likely lack the fit and finish of Nvidia's products as always down to AI and professional software. Beat Nvidia flat out in raw performance but as soon as you want RT enabled things will get shaky real fast. I would laud Nvidia's drivers but it took them almost 8 months to fix their own drivers they broke themselves for WoW and we suffered with flickering textures everywhere because of it. I'm still hoping they force Nvidia to adjust pricing and release the 4090ti ASAP. Same AMD CPU hitching in WoW means this generation is DOA for me.

AMD is brewing up a monster....I'm tellin' ya here and now.... 5700xt to 6950xt = 2.36x uplift (Timespy) 6950xt to 7900xtx = 2.0x+ uplift Card SP BC MBW Bus ------------------------------------------ 5700xt 2560 1905 14 Gbps 256-bit 6950xt 5120 2324 18 Gbps 256-bit 7900xtx 12188 2700 20 Gbps 384-bit -------------------------------------------

I have always loved @Papusan's post. They're one of my favorites not just because their informational but funny too. When NBR went down, one of my thoughts was, "How am I going to enjoy Papu's posts now?" 😁 @Etern4l lol! Well played. 🙂

Honeymoon trumps hardware every time. 🙂 Have a fantastic vacation and congrats on the nuptials brother!

Bad coil whine, especially when it changes pitch/frequency depending on on-screen action literally makes me nauseous. I wish I could just push through it but I can't. I could even hear my FE 3090 through headphones. That Suprim was definitely talking! 😝 And exactly, pushing it to see the highs but for me the magic was capping it at 140 and 60 to simulate my two displays and just seeing the power consumption and heat drop massively as that would be exactly how I would use it. Seeing WoW locked in at 60fps everywhere with rock solid fps 4k for the first time ever was a beautiful thing to see. 🙂 Even the air cooled Suprim is a gorgeous piece of hardware and the fan noise level wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be under full load. If I could find a low/no coil whine one of those, that would definitely be a contender along with the Liquid. I know the Dragonflight areas in the Xpac have been heavily optimized versus SL so it should run even better. It drops Nov 28th so we'll see how the 3090ti does out there at 5120x1440 144hz and 3840x2160 60hz.

Took my game drive over to my buddy's house earlier today (the one I sold my 12900ks) as he picked up a Suprim 4090 air cooled model a few days ago from MC. He's still on the 12900ks and has no desire to upgrade to 13th. He went there to get a new M.2 for more storage and saw they had a few in stock and just said, "Ehhhh....why not?" 😉 My monitor tops out at 144hz while his is 4k 240hz (Xeneon). WoW FPS gain I get ~140-150sh in the good spots in SL uncapped (I usually keep display capped at 140fps in NVCP) but outdoor raid bosses in SL can sink my 3090ti to the low 50s / high 40s. 4090? Same spots hitting 210+. Those outdoor bosses can still sink a 4090 to 65-80fps but nowhere does it sink below 60fps anywhere everything ultra, RT to max. While the Nvidia readout said 65fps-80fps in a full encounter, it still felt so silky smooth versus how it can get a bit chunky with the 3090ti. Ardenweald the zone GPU slayer? 3090ti = ~75fps avg, 4090 = 120fps. What I confirmed was none of those Ryzen dips which are just brutal. I hope they work that out sooner than later but seeing as they are still there from the 5000 series ugh.... Fallout76 went from 80-150 up to 110-240. Locking the fps to ~58fps in NVCP to simulate my 60hz G-sync 4k 32" BenQ and watching the pull just plummet to 140w-250w just about everywhere was nice to see. Even Ardenweald and outdoor raid bosses it topped out around 300w whereas my KPE 3090ti will hit 425-450w no problem. Coil whine was pretty monstrous......luck of the draw I suppose. If I had picked that card up it would have been going right back. Yeah, that 4090 is a beast. It isn't so much the highs for me as the min/lows it really pumps up quite nicely. If I switched back to my G-sync compatible BenQ 4k 32" 60hz display I would basically get that full 60fps locked in everywhere and most times the 4090 would be pulling so low too.

I messaged them personally to tell them to not include it.... 😉

Heh.... Remember when I said your chip was a gooder and an SP108+ and stood by the assessment? 🙂 I'm glad you got a rockin' CPU bro! You have good, positive energy and an almost giddy love of hardware that is refreshing to see. You've been rewarded with a monster 11900k and now a stand out 13900k. CENS clearly sees the same characteristics of your CPU and sees some major potential in it. Congrats! 🙂

Yeah, I definitely want to see what it does in G1. 🙂

Curse of Ryzen dips strikes again. New 10.0 patch which is the basis and engine for Dragonflight. I had hoped they had managed to address the Ryzen issues with those savage dips but they are still there. Even with a 4090, same problems in WoW as with 5800x....sudden brutal 1% and min dips... On my 12900k and 3090ti fps isn't as high (duh), but none of those brutal dips especially in PvP or in heavily populated areas (IE Oribos) and tons of CPU handled player data and physics. 5800X3D managed to smooth it out for the most part. Hopefully 7800X3D (or whatever they end up with) will sort that out again and then some.

True, we need to figure out the parameters used to ascertain the rating vs Asus because if an SP101 is coming back 149 and Sugi's SP114 is a 108 something needs to be established that is consistent considering @johnksss SP99 came back at 136....their testing criteria either needs work or is much different than SP.

The only issue there is I would need the KM heatsink to go along with it but if they couldn't source it but could source a 3080 and KM heatsink I would gladly take that replacement. 🙂 I'm traveling in less than two weeks and I wanted to take my X170SM-G along with me to play Fallout 76 so that was why I was setting it up and getting it updated but the 2080 Super went south. I'm glad it went south now versus being on the go. Worst case scenario is I'll just take my MSI Pulse 12700h/3070 with me but it can't compete with the X170SM-G gaming as the 2080 Super is faster, memory is dialied in and the CPU doesn't throttle at all.

Nice, at least we can now establish a somewhat baseline between Force and SP since @johnksss is blessed to own both boards. 🙂 Sugi will literally end up going through 50-100 chips when all is said and done (if not more) to fish out the top bins. Awesome to sit back and witness but way too pricey to mimic. 😞

As we know (time and time again) SP is a predictive indicator but isn't the be all of all in ratings as you push farther on the silicon. We saw the median shift with the 12900ks and SP rankings if you recall. 13900k's just continue to extend upward as the overall silicon gets better and better. That is why we would see some SP63 10900k's smash the upper tier and SP90+ run nice and cool well ahead of SP63's and suddenly run off the tracks at 5.4+ I have always said (and always will), even a bad SP throw it in a rig and test it and push it up bin by bin and you might be surprised. I always love seeing where a good SP chip is humming along and hits a wall and falls off the rails and the pull suddenly goes through the roof by a +1 bin uptick.

Submitted a few videos to Ztecpc showing the 2080 Super failing in spectacular fashion. They are now looking to source a 2080 Super replacement from Clevo. Once sourced, I'll send it in for replacement. No field / self service available. I would have preferred to do it myself, but it is what it is. I'll end up resetting everything and putting the old memory back in and 256GB singular drive with a clean install for ease on their end.

They also cut off the 4th retention bracket/arm for the CPU as it prevented deeper mounting pressure and caused an uneven mount:

Hey, maybe we'll get a better binned RDNA3 mid cycle called the 7900XTXTX where they can charge more for it again yet it will basically be the same. I agree. If the 7900XTX is the monster it is rumored to be on paper, I am expecting AMD to dethrone Nvidia in pure performance and Nvidia will have to double down on the benefits of RT and DLSS in regards to performance metrics. Nice, now all we need is the silicon lottery to come through.... @tps3443 your MSI board has Force rating, so with Sugi giving some context with his chip versus another ho hum chip, you can at least get some rating context of your 13900k. Lower the rating the better.... (Sugi = 108, Ho hum = 144).