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Looks like the upcoming AMD flagship is going to be a the 7900XTX not 7950XT.... https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-rumored-to-launch-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-graphics-card Look at those uplifts to SPs, bus and bandwidth..... Considering the 6900xt was equal or better than the 3090 at 1080p and 1440p and was hanging in there at 4k I'm expecting a monster from AMD for raster at least...

Hopefully good stuff on the 13th gen.... And just a dud (ish) MB for memory then. Harkens back to the early days of Z690 fishing through motherboards and lamenting the lack of a 2 slot DDR4 motherboard. Post by Sugi regarding SP bug reports: I'm still on 1601 as I haven't found a reason to update but if/when a 13th gen chip miraculously wills itself into existence for my D4, I'll make sure to upgrade. 😉

lol, it might end up like @Mr. Fox when he shipped that brand new 11900k to @tps3443 and he ended up with an absolute god tier 11900k.... I keep 2 or 3 fan splitters on hand at all times. I have a large bin labeled, "PC buildout gunk" and it is stuffed with fans, hubs, splitters, GPU stand offs, all types of esoteric cabling and more.... As for AMD, just looking at the gains from RDNA to RDNA2 along with the sheer increase in CUs alone from RDNA2 to RDNA3, I'm expecting great things. That's the luck of the motherboard with Z690 DDR4. As a test, have you tried going into G2 to eliminate the CPU as the potential bottleneck and see how far you can push your DDR4? Does it still cap at 4000? I know my board can push 4200+ and I run it rock solid at 4133 daily but I still didn't go in there yet and test it in G2 just to see where the memory/motherboard gives up the ghost.

I max at 2 per header. I usually put a powered hub (or two) in my cases just because.... 🙂 Exception being the 6 fans being controlled by my KPE 3090ti.

Yep, AMD is definitely going to have to come back to reality. Maybe subpar sales on AMDs part factored into some of the pricing too on a various levels. $569 is definitely a reasonable price for what you're getting with a 13900k. What are the P/E cores on the SP101?

Since Z590, Prime-A boards do SP ratings. I used a Z590-A prime a bit just for SP ratings on 10th and 11th. I agree his extreme cooling will definitely factor in and this early on data will continue to come in changing the landscape (as we've seen even with Asus themselves as they re-formulate their SP rating algorithms in subsequent BIOS updates and SP ratings can and will change), but remember SP108 is better than average but not a high golden.

Yeah, you have to manage attachments. I routinely hit the limit and just go delete earlier ones along with mixing in some hosting now. Yep, still stand by my early assessment of @tps3443 chip. He needs a dirt cheap Z690 Prime-A to at least get a real idea. @tps3443 does the MSI Unify do force ratings or no?

Pouring over results on several forums, @tps3443 looks like you got what I would say is at least an SP108+ class chip. If the IMC turns out to be a keeper too, you're one and done bro, good job! There's no downside for Nvidia to shift capacity. Fill the more lucrative market with 4000 dies while continuing to shed Ampere cards which are finally and really drying up in the upper 3000 range (3080-3090ti). With the holidays upon us, people will buy what is available. Nvidia is doing what I would expect any corporation to do and that is to maximize profits over consumer desires / requirements. Hopefully AMD will bring the heat. Based off of sheer architectural improvements / CU counts / clocks / Interface , the 7000 series is shaping up to be a raster monster that will out perform the 4090 at least on that level and even a 4090ti. If so, Nvidia will be forced to continue to hard press their "other advantages" namely DLSS3 and RT as the 7000 series looks to have made huge inroads in RT performance but only to the level of a 3080-3090 class. As for the Colorful RTX 4090, still my favorite. I would never pay the coin to import one but it would be the type of design to push me to do an all white build. I will be doing an all white build for my daughter who wants to follow suit with her fiance who I finished his "more common sense" build (IE, what can my wallet support) and is as expected destroying his 4810/970m laptop performance. He wanted an all black build though.

Awesome, I'll look into it thanks!

Do you have a link to the newest (or at least >=400.xx) version? I'll give it a run before remote diagnostics next week.

Yeah, I know the smart move is to just wait not only for RDNA3 results but for after Xmas when first phase sales are finished, 13900ks on the horizon (along with X3D for AMD). I still love laptops (modern models not so much), but I have always had a desktop running in tandem at all times. Why not have the best of both worlds? 🙂 And yeah, custom water is the logical next step but I will only do soft tubing for ease of use. I'm in my cases way too much to go through the hassles of hard tubing for aesthetics.

Yeah, normal to even lighter than normal use. I was getting it all set up for some travel in a few weeks and putting Fallout 76 on it to go along with my WoW install and boom..... Yep, Donald and Zoltan both left HIDevolution and went to ZtecPC awhile back. Last I had talked to Donald. he had retired to get some much deserved R&R. Update: Just heard back from ZtecPC and hurray! Zoltan still works there (he is the one who contacted me). I'll let him know the NBR refugees have set up shop here on NBT. Going to give the X170SM-G a clean install and schedule a remote session for next week.

I mean I DO need parts outside of the temptation toys! 🙂

I think Donald is retired now. I've missed him around these parts. 😞 Maybe Zoltan still works there but I'm not sure. I fired off an email to support so we'll see tomorrow what unfolds. Best case scenario is I'd love for them to just let me cross swap the GPU and install it myself as I have everything fine tuned. Worse case I'll pull my SSDs and memory, swap back in their stock stuff and send it to them for a long, protracted repair process. Well worse case would actually be them not having the proper GPU in stock for replacement.... I ran my X170SM-G ice cold and usually undervolted for better fans. One moment it was working and, boom, black screen, reboot then artifact city (which comes and goes) but what stays consistent is our good old friend Code 43. 🙂 lol, not trying to pull you into the "rule of 3's" bro! 🙂

I'm fighting the urge to ride to my two closest MCs tomorrow just to take a looksy since I know online inventory habitually doesn't match in store. My biggest fear is walking out of there with a 4090 AND a 13900k.... It's one thing to have a few 4090's in your basket then do the responsible thing and close out your session. It's completely another to see them staring you in the face 😉

Yeah, one moment it was working fine then a blank screen, reboot and code 43 and artifacts. Same way my old 970m went to the big GPU afterlife lol. Checking through my paperwork and it looks like the fine gent I originally purchased it from had purchased the 3 year extended accidental warranty so it is covered till November 2023. Time to contact ZtecPC support.....

Well, my 2080 Super is dying..... Grabbed a 1060 for testing and it boots fine. I get artifacts even in BIOS and once powered on. Going to decide if I am going to replace it, upgrade it or sell the laptop / piece it out. We'll see.... Oy....

I really like the look of that Strix board, especially around the I/O. Can't wait to see it lit up! Congrats. 🙂

Beautiful site to see.... Everyone who bought (and continues to buy) on eBay needs to just pump the brakes. 🙂 Is MC still charging $1799 for the MSI Suprim Liquid X or $1749 like BB and NE? LOL, well that was one of the shortest reigns ever for a CPU.....Intel back on top with a quickness. Looks like you might have a good sample too Gratz bro!

100mbps to 1gbps will immediately pay dividends for any large downloads (steam, updates, etc...). My only option since I moved over a decade ago has been Xfinity which is just the worst cost wise but killer Internet 1000mbps. Next closest was DSL at a whopping 15mbps. Tmobile started offering 5g unlimited Internet and I test drove it. I get 400-700mbps down at $50 flat per month so I switched and now I save ~$200/mo vs Xfinity even calculating all the streaming and native content they offered. Outside of monster downloads, I don't miss the 1gbps speeds. I replaced Xfinity native content with Peacock for $19.99/yr promo. I was already paying for multiple steaming services anyhow and had really moved away from watching native "Cable Box" content for some time now. I use an AppleTV 4k for everything. First chance I got to cut the cord I did with a quickness.

This, plus for EVGA cards some use boost lock with PX1 with all stock settings to try and get an idea of their silicon quality too if you're curious.

Yep, by December or even after the New Year these will be plentiful. Recession Inflation Cryto bust AMD ------------- In Stock w/ potential lower prices I'm still waiting for AMD results before anything... If the results are to be believed (2x) AMD will win in all resolutions even 4k for pure Rasterization. They were so far behind in RT that even doubling performance puts them at ~3080 levels...maybe a touch more DP 2.1 would be a nice kick in the teeth for Nvidia FSR vs DLSS means nothing to be as I won't be using either. If AMD comes out guns blazing Nvidia is in trouble and that means we'll see the 4090ti much quicker. Or we'll get a big ole pile of AM5 where it is looking like Intel is going to match the 7950x multi and beat them single with more overclocking capability to boot. I'm hoping AMD brings the thunder big time.

Best Buy had a 4090 drop earlier today. I added both a FE 4090 and MSI Suprim X Liquid to my carts and had no problem getting to "hit this to buy" stage. Then I removed them and carried on. 🙂 Now they're all sold out (as expected) but they did linger for a bit on several models. Again, nothing like the Pandemic / Crypto boom.

Considering 6900xt raster was equal (or better) than the 3090 at 1440p and 1080p and competitive at 4k, if it is truly 2x faster for RDNA3, it will flat out beat a 4090 and maybe even a 4090ti.. RT would at least be on par with Ampere. Could be another case of AMD having fantastic (even superior) Rasterization but Nvidia doing everything else right. A superior Raster card and potentially DP2.1? Mmmmmmm QUOTE: "As per the leaker, the AMD RDNA 3 GPUs featured on the Radeon RX 7000 series graphics cards are delivering up to a 2x performance increase in pure rasterization workloads and over 2x gains within ray tracing workloads. It is not mentioned in the RDNA 2 GPU is the RX 6900 XT or RX 6950 XT but even if we look at the 6900 XT, the RDNA 2 chip offered superior performance in raster vs the RTX 3090 and came pretty close to the RTX 3090 Ti while the RX 6950 XT excelled over it. A 2x improvement in this department would mean that AMD would easily compete and even surpass the performance of the RTX 4090 in a large section of gamers. In ray tracing, a gain over 2x means that AMD might end up close to or slightly faster than the RTX 30 series "Ampere" graphics cards, depending on the title. The Ada Lovelace RTX 40 series cards do offer much faster ray tracing capabilities, offering close to 2x gains in ray tracing performance over the RTX 30 lineup. So ray tracing will see a major improvement but it may not be able to close the gap with RTX 40 series."

Whew, is that coil whine I hear?