*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

Monstrous 50+ game title shoot out.

 

The differentials based on exact games played is pretty staggering comparing AMD vs Nvidia.

 

It ranges anywhere from a 4080 substantially beating a 7900xtx up to a 7900xtx sitting at or closer to 4090 levels performance than the 4080.

 

Always hard to find real, valid WoW or FO76 testing/comparison between cards. Hardware Numb3rs seems to have gotten real spotty posting lately which was my go to for WoW benchmarks. Hopefully he gets something up sooner than later.

 

 

[electrosoft]

On the other hand, lest we forget the 3090ti can still bring the pain....

 

I said it before and I'll say it again. If you have a 3090/3090ti the only real upgrade is a 4090.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

On the other hand, lest we forget the 3090ti can still bring the pain....

 

I said it before and I'll say it again. If you have a 3090/3090ti the only real upgrade is a 4090.

 

 

Indeed. And, that is with the 7900 XTX core clock roughly 500 MHz higher than the 3090 Ti.

  

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Always hard to find real, valid WoW or FO76 testing/comparison between cards. Hardware Numb3rs seems to have gotten real spotty posting lately which was my go to for WoW benchmarks. Hopefully he gets something up sooner than later.

Is it because of the passion you have for WoW and FO76, which makes it particularly meaningful on a personal level, that you look specifically for those comparisons; or, something about those particular titles that taxes a GPU in a "Can it run Crysis?" kind of way? 

  

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

OK, I think I got this dialed in now for my 24/7 overclock. It's so easy to run these generic green A-die sticks at 8000 MT/s. It's ludicrous in light of how many retail kits I RMA'd with RGB rainbow vomit and sloppy loose gamerkidz XMP profiles that cost double, were pure garbage and would barely even boot at speeds like this. Consumers are getting screwed real hard.

The generic green M-die was also vastly superior to the retail craptastick options. I thought that one of my pairs of M-die was slightly better than the other (which would not be surprising) and did more testing with the 13900K back in the Strix Z690-E and they're actually extremely close to the same. I got a good deal on a 13900KF for the Strix and will be selling my nice 12900KS sample that was the same SP92 rating as the one @Papusanhas. I saw no improvement whatsoever in memory overclocking, which was the reason I bought it.

 

Well... as it turns out, the 6400 brick wall is actually a physical limitation of the Strix mobo. I never looked at the documentation until yesterday. And, yup... dammit... that is the highest supported RAM speed. It will boot and run (benchable) up 7200, but not stable to matter what voltage or timings I have tested. Stablity goes out the door as soon as I move from 6400 to 6600. I knew it was a gamerboy product and it is totally fine for my work computer, for sure. But, I was surprised to find 6400 is the maximum supported memory clock.

 

Also interesting, my 13900K SP rating is higher than I thought. When I originally tested it in the Strix mobo it was SP95. Now it is SP103 with a significant improvement on the E-cores (from 73 to 83). The 13900KF is almost identical at SP102 (both are SP113 on P-cores, with SP81 on the KF E-cores). So, that was my real Christmas present. I wondered why my 13900K seemed so good with a mediocre SP rating. Apparently the BIOS on the Strix at that time was not dialed in correctly for 13900K. It was the first BIOS version for 13th Gen when it told me my CPU was only SP95. 

[Papusan]

Little Norway within top 30th Hwbot Country ranking 2022🙂

 

Hwbot - League Ranking 2022 
https://community.hwbot.org/topic/222581-league-ranking-2022/

 

 

6 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Hopefully they will offer a GH1600 model too for those who want a bit more of overhead and punch.

 

 

 

Maybe. But still a failure going with a modest 1300W PSU, then brand it "Hall Of Fame". 

[jaybee83]

On 12/31/2022 at 2:55 AM, Mr. Fox said:

Thank you.  C'mon over. Will make some fajitas and guacamole and wash it down with Chelada.

 

ill take u up on that next time im in or near Arizona, would be a blast to meet Fox in RL! 😄 

 

On 1/1/2023 at 4:00 AM, Raiderman said:

I don't think it's inflation so much as it is greed. DDR ram isn't all that expensive, quality 8 and 12 core cpu's aren't too bad. SSD pricing isn't overwhelming.

After being out of pc tech for 3 years, it's motherboards and gpu's that I've seen skyrocket in cost. When I left, you could get a top of the line AMD board for under $300, now they are 3 times that.

On 1/1/2023 at 4:24 AM, Reciever said:

Yeah inflation is definitely part of it, but I agree that it alone doesn't make for a satisfying explanation. Especially when many companies jacked up pricing and had record profits year over year through the pandemic. 

 

 

 

preach, brothers! companies have gotten reaaaal comfortable with jacking up prices after the pandemic...let them wake up to a nightmare of their own making when ppl finally wisen up to the idea that in times such as these, basics are more important than luxury playtoys... one can hope? 😅

 

On 1/1/2023 at 10:47 AM, electrosoft said:

So it's the actual reference VC causing the problem...

 

I'll have to re-review the WoW data we collected with the Powercolor 7900xtx. It might have been a throttling issue in there too.

 

 

 

yep saw that vid, just terrible... out of all of Roman's initial hypotheses, the one that was the most difficult and worst for AMD to solve turned out to be the correct one, urgh. not gonna be fun for the Reds to sort this out, big impact on their GPU rep for sure! and worse for the rest of us: less competition for the green goblin 😞 

 

On 1/1/2023 at 5:59 PM, Papusan said:

resume again.

 

oh ffs microslop, get ur act together and stop making win11 horrible for ryzen cpus 💀

edit: oops, sorry for the cut off quote papu, but u know which one i was referring to 😄 

 

20 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Especially when it's paid for and does everything you need it to do.

 

"I'm going to buy a new sofa that is exactly the same color as the one I already have that's in  immaculate condition. I need it just because it's new. I will sell the old one at a loss to help cover the cost."

 

but but but...can your old sofa also do raytracing and pull more wattage than the old one?! 😛 

 

20 hours ago, Raiderman said:

Take it with a grain of salt....it is wccftech afterall.

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-rtx-4070-ti-official-benchmarks-leak-out-as-fast-as-the-rtx-3090-ti-but-40-of-the-msrp/

 

...and still overpriced! The article almost congratulates Nvidia for having a $799 upper mid tier card? Tying to normalize this crap??

 

yay, great...nvidia actually doing whats supposed to be done: offering more performance per dollar! as if stagnation in perf/dollar is the new normal and an improvement is something to be applauded, DAFUQ!

 

15 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

While custom water cooling will always be my first option, I am now considering air coolers for any system that I won't be overclocking more than 10 to 15%. I have been using an IceGiant ProSiphon Elite on my TRX40 system (I removed my custom water loop from that system last spring) and it was one of the only air coolers that could keep up with my custom loop (360 rad, push/pull) with the fans set to 1200RPM. 

 

Nice looking build but most importantly, functional.  

 

hows that IceGiant treating ya? really comparable with your previous custom loop? im curious

 

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

OK, I think I got this dialed in now for my 24/7 overclock. It's so easy to run these generic green A-die sticks at 8000 MT/s. It's ludicrous in light of how many retail kits I RMA'd with RGB rainbow vomit and sloppy loose gamerkidz XMP profiles that cost double, were pure garbage and would barely even boot at speeds like this. Consumers are getting screwed real hard.

 

 

 

 

how much of a thermal improvement do those custom RAM heatsinks provide bro fox?

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Indeed. And, that is with the 7900 XTX core clock roughly 500 MHz higher than the 3090 Ti.

  

Is it because of the passion you have for WoW and FO76, which makes it particularly meaningful on a personal level, that you look specifically for those comparisons; or, something about those particular titles that taxes a GPU in a "Can it run Crysis?" kind of way? 

  

The generic green M-die was also vastly superior to the retail craptastick options. I thought that one of my pairs of M-die was slightly better than the other (which would not be surprising) and did more testing with the 13900K back in the Strix Z690-E and they're actually extremely close to the same. I got a good deal on a 13900KF for the Strix and will be selling my nice 12900KS sample that was the same SP92 rating as the one @Papusanhas. I saw no improvement whatsoever in memory overclocking, which was the reason I bought it.

 

Well... as it turns out, the 6400 brick wall is actually a physical limitation of the Strix mobo. I never looked at the documentation until yesterday. And, yup... dammit... that is the highest supported RAM speed. It will boot and run (benchable) up 7200, but not stable to matter what voltage or timings I have tested. Stability goes out the door as soon as I move from 6400 to 6600. I knew it was a gamerboy product and it is totally fine for my work computer, for sure. But, I was surprised to find 6400 is the maximum supported memory clock.

 

Also interesting, my 13900K SP rating is higher than I thought. When I originally tested it in the Strix mobo it was SP95. Now it is SP103 with a significant improvement on the E-cores (from 73 to 83). The 13900KF is almost identical at SP102 (both are SP113 on P-cores, with SP81 on the KF E-cores). So, that was my real Christmas present. I wondered why my 13900K seemed so good with a mediocre SP rating. Apparently the BIOS on the Strix at that time was not dialed in correctly for 13900K. It was the first BIOS version for 13th Gen when it told me my CPU was only SP95. 

 

 

Overall 7900xtx and 4080 beat a 3090ti in gaming but nothing earth shattering....nothing that would make you stop and go, "whoa."

 

I will say the 4080 does run much cooler and pulls much less power though while outperforming it so if those additional metrics are of concern to you, it does increase its value especially depending on your high load uptime and energy costs.

 

I'm 99% sure I'm going to cancel my 4080 FE. I'm just not excited over it in any appreciable way especially knowing the 4090 is out there.

 

This is a good review on the 4080 vs 3090ti

 

 

 

 

I've been a diehard WoW player since launch and I've played since Jan 2005 so it is my mainstay and metric for performance. I've never played at less than 2560x1600 resolution even back then as my rig was an Apple Dual G5 tower w/ an Apple 30" display but as time has passed so has the increase in graphics and CPU requirements as the engine has gone through 4 major upgrades that require current content to really take advantage. The last major upgrade was the Battle for Azeroth Xpac where it got a major rewrite then Shadowlands where they added in 1st gen RT. Dragonflight extends that a bit more.

 

Up until earlier this year, Fallout 76 was trash on PCs but finally it is coming into its own with real fps and the ability to take advantage of CPU and GPU upgrades properly. I've been playing since August 2022 and I very much do enjoy it. I'll end up benchmarking it too. It doesn't support RT though (which isn't a bad thing).

 

The blessing and the curse with Asus BIOS and SP rating is nothing is set in stone as it continues to be refined with subsequent releases especially early on. I saw several 11900k's have their SPs change based on the BIOS installed with my old Z590 Hero and I suspect the same will happen with this Z590 Strix-E I picked up brand new open box for $100 recently for some more future 10th and 11th gen binning fun albeit the BIOS is as refined as much as possible. Since I know have an X170SM and an X170KM, time to casually spin up the binning station.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

how much of a thermal improvement do those custom RAM heatsinks provide bro fox?

Huge improvement. More than a 30% reduction in maximum temperature and enough to make the difference between passing memory stability tests and failing them. As you can see in that screenshot, I ran TestMem Pro for 1 hour (200%) and maxed out at under 35°C at 8000MHz and 1.500V on the memory. Without the waterblock temps are generally around 42°C. With your normal gamerkid RGB memory with the fancy heatsinks heating blankets I would see above 55°C at 6800 and 1.450V. Memory errors begin to occur and you start losing stability around 45°C on DDR4 and DDR5. DDR5 gets hotter and gets hotter faster because of the much higher clock speeds compared to DDR4.

 

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I've been a diehard WoW player since launch and I've played since Jan 2005 so it is my mainstay and metric for performance. I've never played at less than 2560x1600 resolution even back then as my rig was an Apple Dual G5 tower w/ an Apple 30" display but as time has passed so has the increase in graphics and CPU requirements as the engine has gone through 4 major upgrades that require current content to really take advantage. The last major upgrade was the Battle for Azeroth Xpac where it got a major rewrite then Shadowlands where they added in 1st gen RT. Dragonflight extends that a bit more.

I knew that about you. Even your wife is a WoW fan if I remember correctly.  It is awesome that you've been a fan and playing since launch. I am much the same way with the Crysis Franchise.  I used to be with CoD as well, but they strayed from the path enough that I am no longer interested in the last couple of installments to the franchise.

[Reciever]

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

 

ill take u up on that next time im in or near Arizona, would be a blast to meet Fox in RL! 😄 

 

 

preach, brothers! companies have gotten reaaaal comfortable with jacking up prices after the pandemic...let them wake up to a nightmare of their own making when ppl finally wisen up to the idea that in times such as these, basics are more important than luxury playtoys... one can hope? 😅

 

 

yep saw that vid, just terrible... out of all of Roman's initial hypotheses, the one that was the most difficult and worst for AMD to solve turned out to be the correct one, urgh. not gonna be fun for the Reds to sort this out, big impact on their GPU rep for sure! and worse for the rest of us: less competition for the green goblin 😞 

 

 

oh ffs microslop, get ur act together and stop making win11 horrible for ryzen cpus 💀

edit: oops, sorry for the cut off quote papu, but u know which one i was referring to 😄 

 

 

but but but...can your old sofa also do raytracing and pull more wattage than the old one?! 😛 

 

 

yay, great...nvidia actually doing whats supposed to be done: offering more performance per dollar! as if stagnation in perf/dollar is the new normal and an improvement is something to be applauded, DAFUQ!

 

 

hows that IceGiant treating ya? really comparable with your previous custom loop? im curious

 

 

how much of a thermal improvement do those custom RAM heatsinks provide bro fox?

The sick part was they jacked up pricing before the impact was ever felt from the pandemic, which is the reasoning for year over year profits. 

 

When I read sales are down, oh well. We all explicitly knew this would happen at some point.

[Raiderman]

43 minutes ago, Reciever said:

The sick part was they jacked up pricing before the impact was ever felt from the pandemic, which is the reasoning for year over year profits. 

 

When I read sales are down, oh well. We all explicitly knew this would happen at some point.

At this point, all we can hope is the market gets over saturated to the point where sales drop enough to warrant a healthy price cut. Unfortunately this will probably coincide with a 2008 type housing crash that I think is looming on the horizon. Hopefully we can get some good deals this spring.

[Papusan]

4070Ti 33% more expensive than 3070Ti. Nvidia don't need miners to increase profits. They can do it themself. 4090 looking better and better for everyday. 4090 was below inflation rate vs 3090. So Nvidia could have done the same for the rest of the 4000 series SKUs if they really wanted. 

 

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti officially costs $799, launches January 5th
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-officially-costs-799-launches-january-5th

 

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For those of you who don't want to ruin your gaming/bench rig with Razer bloatware (if you use any of Razer accessories). You'll find proper scripts in the video to stop the bloat madness (if Razer is trying to bypass the usual blocks).

https://youtu.be/OlFR6PeJA4U

 

[Ashtrix]

18 hours ago, Papusan said:

Very nice rig bro @Ashtrix 🙂 Another option for the cooling... EVGA 280mm AIO. I have one of them. A fantastic AIO and you can get the next newest model. Almost no bling bling. Run and buy if you find one. And please post a few more pict of your machine. Happy New year to you bro Ashtrix 🙂

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5159964_papusan_cinebench___r20_core_i9_13900k_17268_cb

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5159975_papusan_cinebench___r23_multi_core_with_benchmate_core_i9_13900k_44980_cb

 

Thank you bro @Papusan. Happy New Year to you and fam as well. I will try to get it fully up as soon as possible and slowly will try to keep up posting pics lol. Waiting for a few parts. And I wanted to buy the Cablemod extension kit but got too late, now they are building a new assembly line or something gotta wait until Feb. In the meantime the rest of the machine can be done or I will try to grab the GPU power cables from Moddiy once their combs are in stock. I will also look forward for CES 2023 and see what new AIOs from Alphacool are if they manage to innovate anything or from the rest of the ones we have too. And ofc Noctua as well.

 

  

18 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Beautiful setup and SP113 10900k? Mmmmmm........... that's a banger of a chip right there!

 

Thank you brother. I try to learn and make it worth, got a lot of learning unlike enthusiasts here.

 

  

18 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

While custom water cooling will always be my first option, I am now considering air coolers for any system that I won't be overclocking more than 10 to 15%. I have been using an IceGiant ProSiphon Elite on my TRX40 system (I removed my custom water loop from that system last spring) and it was one of the only air coolers that could keep up with my custom loop (360 rad, push/pull) with the fans set to 1200RPM. 

 

Nice looking build but most importantly, functional.  

 

 

I do remember that IceGaint cooler, massive hulking HS no joke it can handle the HEDT class.

 

Thanks brother. Yea totally built only around function, full Air gives me a large space for storage as I had to buy and return the Lian Li O11D XL because their HDD bays are just 4 and even so they cook the drives esp when we use Seagate Ironwolf Pro, EXOS, WD Gold, Red Pro likes which are Datacenter HDDs because no cooling, not even passive or even ventilation space on looks it's on dot but for rest, not much. And for Corsair 7000D which had the HDD racks wobbling I did not want to risk experimenting.

 

 

[Papusan]

27 minutes ago, Ashtrix said:

Thank you bro @Papusan. Happy New Year to you and fam as well. I will try to get it fully up as soon as possible and slowly will try to keep up posting pics lol. Waiting for a few parts. And I wanted to buy the Cablemod extension kit but got too late, now they are building a new assembly line or something gotta wait until Feb. In the meantime the rest of the machine can be done or I will try to grab the GPU power cables from Moddiy once their combs are in stock. I will also look forward for CES 2023 and see what new AIOs from Alphacool are if they manage to innovate anything or from the rest of the ones we have too. And ofc Noctua as well.

Thanks my friend.

 

Regarding new AIOs from Alphacool... Not so sure we will see a new one under CES 2023. They relased new AIOs right before 13th gen Intel processors in October 2022. Link below.

 

For more information and to purchase, visit this page.

Alphacool Unveils Core Ocean P38 AIO Liquid CPU Cooler techpowerup.com

[electrosoft]

8 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

The blessing and the curse with Asus BIOS and SP rating is nothing is set in stone as it continues to be refined with subsequent releases especially early on. I saw several 11900k's have their SPs change based on the BIOS installed with my old Z590 Hero and I suspect the same will happen with this Z590 Strix-E I picked up brand new open box for $100 recently for some more future 10th and 11th gen binning fun albeit the BIOS is as refined as much as possible. Since I know have an X170SM and an X170KM, time to casually spin up the binning station.

 

 

 

Massive SP change in action....today finally installing this Asus Strix Z590-E in my testing case after the worst December of my life (understatement):

 

Before BIOS 0902

 

 

After BIOS 1701

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

43 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Massive SP change in action....today finally installing this Asus Strix Z590-E in my testing case after the worst December of my life (understatement):

 

Before BIOS 0902

 

 

After BIOS 1701

 

 

Wow, that is an even bigger change than I saw. Massive change, in fact. Interesting that firmware can change something that much. In a way, it tends to dilute confidence in the reliability of the SP measurement. It can be manipulated if ASUS is influenced by external forces or ever decides to take on an agenda of some sort. I bet that CPU Brother@Clamibotpurchased from me would also have a really high SP rating now compared to what the firmware said it was when I last checked it.

 

ASUS must have some sort of backdoor telemetry gathering data from all of the systems connected to the internet with a relevant mobo/chipset. If that is the case, I wonder what other data they are gathering. If not, then it begs the question of how they are getting the information that would cause the change over time.

 

Glad to see you are on the mend. You must be starting to feel better now if you were able to muster the time and effort for this. 

[Custom90gt]

@Mr. Foxwhere did you end up picking up those sticks?  I see Newegg has them, but for $350 a stick, lol. 

[Ashtrix]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Wow, that is an even bigger change than I saw. Massive change, in fact. Interesting that firmware can change something that much. In a way, it tends to dilute confidence in the reliability of the SP measurement. It can be manipulated if ASUS is influenced by external forces or ever decides to take on an agenda of some sort. I bet that CPU Brother@Clamibotpurchased from me would also have a really high SP rating now compared to what the firmware said it was when I last checked it.

 

ASUS must have some sort of backdoor telemetry gathering data from all of the systems connected to the internet with a relevant mobo/chipset. If that is the case, I wonder what other data they are gathering. If not, then it begs the question of how they are getting the information that would cause the change over time.

 

Glad to see you are on the mend. You must be starting to feel better now if you were able to muster the time and effort for this. 

 

Yeah, also I think we need to see V/F offsets more than just SP rating. With APEX default 0501 BIOS had incredibly low voltages. And same SP for me and then 1202 flash changed the voltages to what I saw when I was testing it months ago on Z590 HERO. SP remained the same.

 

VID default factory values from Intel and comparing to the others gives a far more accurate interpretation than a simple SP prediction. I also wonder how does a late BIOS change trigger the SP algorithm to change such massively, still that BIOS is 0902 which is earlier revisions when Z590 launched so that is why more significant change I think.

 

Also @electrosoft that BIOS is not fixing the BS bug on Z590 series, well ASUS is trash QC so their Z590 boards do not recognize the RTX40 series cards with PCIe4.0x16 despite being working fine for RTX30 series PCIe4.0x16. For Ada series it reverts back to PCIe3.0 connection. And some other ASUS X670 boards exhibit reduced lanes. ROG forum is full of such issues, Z690s having Internet problems and DIMM issues what not.

 

Anyways Beta BIOS 1405 is the one which fixes the problems lol, like ASUS released 1405 Beta after this whole thread at ROG forum and this reddit thread. And some folks got beta 1605. But the official 1601 does not fix which came after those threads and the latest 1701 doesn't either. That's the ASUS quality standard now. (ps - There's a Z590 Strix beta 1405 in the thread if you are interested here)

 

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Hi. two things. If you read back earlier in this thread you will see us Z590 owners were advised that this issue would be fixed in a future driver from Nvidia. Now Asus claim 1701 bios fixes the issue with no driver from Nvidia, which is not the case as 3 z590 users including myself so far say its still Pcie 3.0. and now again Asus says to wait for a Nvidia driver again. If im not wrong the Bios detects which Pcie version the Graphic card runs at and not the operating system so no driver will fix the issue as the system setup is before the operating system or any driver is loaded. two things can fix this, either updated bios on the motherboard or the Graphic card. Please can someone look into this. Thanks again

 

Yes ASUS rep STARRAIN@ROG mentioned ASUS Is working with Nvidia to issue a driver fix, but that never happened and the beta 1405 and 1605 fixed. But now the owners flashing the "supposedly" "stable" & "official" update thinking it would fix, well no dice as it doesn't do jack.

 

I do not need those BIOSes anyways, but I kept the 1202 beta from HWbot community (verified checksum hashes with ASUS official 1202 and it matched so I kept both 1202 and flashed the official) for Windows 7. And the beta 1405, in case if I ever need. As BIOS 1701 says it has a mandatory Intel ME Firmware, which I really do not want to update nor tinker and has ARB (Anti Rollback) protection, however they say BIOS FlashBack works to rolling back, still not interested esp it doesn't fix anything and instead probably broke something off in the meanwhile. By the time 1202 BIOS was out I think RKL had it's run and so did CML I guess. Plus many reported issues flashing 16xx/17xx series on APEX and others which also is another reason to keep away from them. And like @Mr. Fox says "Newer is not better".

 

To quote earlier @Papusan on his Z790 APEX ASUS QC and other BS.

 

  

On 12/30/2022 at 5:15 PM, Papusan said:

I switched to second bios and flashed a new firmware. The newer version on bios 1 can’t be rolled back. Asus sucks hard… https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-asus-strix-maximus-z690-owners-thread.1794802/post-29104615

 

At least you know what to get from Asus....

 

The improvements come in v2004. The newest withdrawn v2301 from the server was meant to tune it further but Asus drag it too far with more bugs, LOOL

 

The flashing went well and got back into bios then loaded bios default. I didn’t got the time to press enter and restart before the damn power blow out in the area and here home. Now sitting in the dreaded dark. 2 minutes earlier and I would sit with a bricked machine (2nd bios). Yep, flashing firmware in stormy Norwegian winter weather here home without a UPS is risk sport😁

 

 

The electricity is back now. This happens a lot here during the winter. All use a lot electricity to heat up their homes due the hard climate here. 

The machine booted up as expected. 
 

Two days ago I flashed 3 firmware versions for my sons new machine. This board have only one bios. No backup chips. But the version I flashed last will keep him up until his next platform upgrade. So works very well. Thanks god it wasn’t his machine I worked with now. 
 

Yep, with Asus messed up bios updates you’ll need a second bios chips because they avoid put a proper upgrade change log. Beta bios or the official one… All sucks!!! Sadly all brands sucks nowadays. None offer awesome.

 

 

 

ASUS is a fallen company. It's a miracle that their boards work maybe their BIOS Engineers and HW division is the only one keeping it alive. Maybe all of them have some issues if we see forums of MSI, EVGA, GB but ASUS is way too popular and nowadays their QC is awful. Proof is above episode which is still not resolved for Z590. In case if anyone did not notice, ASUS removed the timestamps from the BIOS updates and etc on their support pages. Incredibly unfortunate move, they say it will come back this month, well we'll see when it does.

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Custom90gt said:

@Mr. Foxwhere did you end up picking up those sticks?  I see Newegg has them, but for $350 a stick, lol. 

Yeah, that is totally ludicrous and another example of scalping. Splave was selling them on HWBOT Forum for $500 a pair, which is also insane. I got them on AliExpress for $131.00 each. I love that they easily run 8000 MT/s,  but the M-die sticks that I paid $80 each for are still a better value overall. 
 

Here:  New 16GB HMCG78AGBUA081N DDR5 5600B Desktop Memory Overfrequency 8000+

I will probably offer the 12900KS and those M-die sticks for sale as a package deal in the marketplace in case anyone here is ready for an affordable upgrade.

1 hour ago, Ashtrix said:

Yeah, also I think we need to see V/F offsets more than just SP rating.

I've never viewed the SP rating as reliable for the reasons previously stated. If it were reliable, it wouldn't change with firmware modifications, and it would be calculated based on physical attributes of a CPU. Unfortunately, it is the only measurement we have other than the MSI Force2 and they're not compatible, and they're only useful if you buy a brand and model that incorporates it. 

1 hour ago, Ashtrix said:

ASUS is a fallen company. It's a miracle that their boards work maybe their BIOS Engineers and HW division is the only one keeping it alive. Maybe all of them have some issues if we see forums of MSI, EVGA, GB but ASUS is way too popular and nowadays their QC is awful. Proof is above episode which is still not resolved for Z590.

I wonder how much longer the ROG line will remain popular and relevant. There has to come a point when people stop buying defective products that lack respectable QC just because their firmware has a lot of obscure and undocumented menu items that nobody understands or benefit from. It is both ironic and sad that their least reliable products are their most expensive halo models that should be approaching perfection, but the shoddy warranty service applies to their entire product line. I see what feels like a growing sense of disapproval of the brand. I think it eventally has to catch up with them. Word of mouth reputation is usually what decides the fate of a business. And, their broken trash like Armory Crate and Aura certainly doesn't win them any extra points with the kiddos. They need their rainbow puke software to work.

[jaybee83]

13 hours ago, Raiderman said:

At this point, all we can hope is the market gets over saturated to the point where sales drop enough to warrant a healthy price cut. Unfortunately this will probably coincide with a 2008 type housing crash that I think is looming on the horizon. Hopefully we can get some good deals this spring.

 

keeping an eye out for that, as well @looming crash. the real, actual consequences of the pandemic are still bound to happen, especially here in europe with the unnecessary war being waged on our backyard and letting regular people suffer insane energy prices.

lucky those who will have enough money left to make dirt cheap investments right after the crash, as usual...

 

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Wow, that is an even bigger change than I saw. Massive change, in fact. Interesting that firmware can change something that much. In a way, it tends to dilute confidence in the reliability of the SP measurement. It can be manipulated if ASUS is influenced by external forces or ever decides to take on an agenda of some sort. I bet that CPU Brother@Clamibotpurchased from me would also have a really high SP rating now compared to what the firmware said it was when I last checked it.

 

ASUS must have some sort of backdoor telemetry gathering data from all of the systems connected to the internet with a relevant mobo/chipset. If that is the case, I wonder what other data they are gathering. If not, then it begs the question of how they are getting the information that would cause the change over time.

 

Glad to see you are on the mend. You must be starting to feel better now if you were able to muster the time and effort for this. 

 

might be something as innocuous as them being able to access a wider range of CPUs as time passes and thus adjusting their algo for calculating the SP. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 minute ago, jaybee83 said:

might be something as innocuous as them being able to access a wider range of CPUs as time passes and thus adjusting their algo for calculating the SP. 

I suspect that is exactly what it is, and it is the only logical explanation. That is why I speculated about the undocumented backdoor telemetry thing. I do wonder what other information they might be collecting without disclosing it. Probably worse than we think. We live in a very dangerous era where techological capabilities do more to support criminal behavior and unethical, overbearing government than what is contributed to the betterment of society.

[jaybee83]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I suspect that is exactly what it is, and it is the only logical explanation. That is why I speculated about the undocumented backdoor telemetry thing. I do wonder what other information they might be collecting without disclosing it. Probably worse than we think. We live in a very dangerous era where techological capabilities do more to support criminal behavior and unethical, overbearing government than what is contributed to the betterment of society.

sigh yeah thats the thing with tech & science....by itself completely neutral, just depends what u do with it. can go either way, from saving humanity to destroying it.

[Mr. Fox]

21 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

sigh yeah thats the thing with tech & science....by itself completely neutral, just depends what u do with it. can go either way, from saving humanity to destroying it.

It seems like science has been redefined as a blind acceptance of information that is assumed to be factual based primarily upon whatever is a most popular agenda in secular atheistic social media circles. We've seen many recent examples of tyrannical rule by decree and fiat under a façade dubbed "science" by unworthy authorities and plain old goofed up weirdos.

[Rage Set]

17 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

hows that IceGiant treating ya? really comparable with your previous custom loop? im curious

 

It is treating me quite well. The tech behind the IceGiant really does give you comparable temps to a custom loop with a single 360 rad with a push/pull config. Now, I am not saying the IceGiant can compete that that custom loop in terms of overclocking headroom, but it highly capable of handling a 4.0 allcore workload on my 3960X. 

 

IceGiant doesn't make a version for smaller CPU's like Intel's 11 gen or older. In that case, they can't justify the price compared to the cheaper air coolers out there but they do now offer socket 1700 support with a $5.00 optional bracket.

 

The only real issue I have with this cooler is that it blocks certain RAM modules and in the case of my Asus Zenith Extreme II Alpha, the Asus DIMM m.2 module from being used. 

[Papusan]

3 real Jokes today. Pink graphics cards, 4090@80w laptop Gpu and 1000$ 4070Ti desktop graphics card. This is pervers.

 

 

We start with the Pink. Want a Pink graphics card bro @Mr. Fox? Its an Galax. Or will you wait to see if Galax push out a Pink 4090? 

 

GALAX announces GeForce RTX 4070 Ti graphics cards, including the first pink RTX 40 GPU
https://videocardz.com/newz/galax-announces-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-graphics-cards-including-the-first-pink-rtx-40-gpu

 

 

4090@80W graphics card so the gamers can brag about 4090 in their thin and flimsy gaming books with th cute small USB-C chargers. And still ordinary GDDR6 vram. Vram capped at 16GB. Can’t expect awesome with gaming laptops. 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-announces-geforce-rtx-40-laptop-gpu-series-rtx-4090-with-9728-cudas-and-16gb-gddr6-memory

 

Yep, close to $1000 USD for a mid range graphics card. 4080 isn't the only card to avoid! All cards below 4090 is to be avoided. Same for the boiling Radeon 7900 series + the  XT Scam from AMD. 

 

Colorful introduces GeForce RTX 4070 Ti graphics cards for up to $969
https://videocardz.com/press-release/colorful-introduces-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-graphics-cards-for-up-to-969

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

3 real Jokes today. Pink graphics cards, 4090@80w laptop Gpu and 1000$ 4070Ti desktop graphics card. This is pervers.

 

 

We start with the Pink. Want a Pink graphics card bro @Mr. Fox? Its an Galax. Or will you wait to see if Galax push out a Pink 4090? 

 

GALAX announces GeForce RTX 4070 Ti graphics cards, including the first pink RTX 40 GPU
https://videocardz.com/newz/galax-announces-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-graphics-cards-including-the-first-pink-rtx-40-gpu

 

 

4090@80W graphics card so the gamers can brag about 4090 in their thin and flimsy gaming books with an USB-C charger.

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-announces-geforce-rtx-40-laptop-gpu-series-rtx-4090-with-9728-cudas-and-16gb-gddr6-memory

 

Yep, close to $1000 USD for a mid range graphics card. 4080 isn't the only card to avoid! All cards below 4090 is to be avoided. Same for the boiling Radeon 7900 series from AMD. 

 

Colorful introduces GeForce RTX 4070 Ti graphics cards for up to $969
https://videocardz.com/press-release/colorful-introduces-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-graphics-cards-for-up-to-969

 

 

What? So now we have anime, manga, pink, white and black. No yellow? What about a brony edition? And, no rainbow "pride" option? I am so offended.

They must be racists.  I'm going to upload a TikTok video to express my rage.

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Just kidding. It is amazing, and sad, how abject stupidity is becoming the new normal.

 

I am waiting for the 4060 Ti @ 5W TGP for Chromebook. That will run my favorite PopCap games without stuttering. Bejeweled will be better than ever.

 

On that note...

 

 

[Tenoroon]

I'm just confused about how many CPU's Intel has for their mobile line, it's ridiculous!!!

You're telling me there's going to be a justifiable reason for the Core i5 13500HX to exist?!? I doubt that 3 or more laptop models will ever that SKU!

 

I get that having more is good, but this is just too much, go back to the days where you had an i5 or two, a few i7's and a single core i9 for high performance, and then the U series for Ultrabooks, Jesus...