*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

@Rage Set FC agrees with you about JayZ2C and then some. GN and De8auer put in the real work on this one.

 

@Clamibot End screen basically Gigabyte is garbage all around. I do try to avoid them when possible at all costs.

 

Take his ramblings with a grain of salt as always....

 

 

 

 

But on the other hand, this is my favorite comment from this video hands down:

 

[electrosoft]

12 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Update on my warranty of the defective items through Raijintek. They shipped fed ex 2nd day air from Taiwan 👍👍

 

 

@Raiderman your hub replacement seemed to ship pretty quick, nice!

 

 

Still waiting on Cablemod to ship me out a new cable for my 4090 for the defective one they sold me. It's been almost two weeks now since the CSR, "put in the request," for a new cable to be shipped after having me physically cut my old cable in half and send a picture (great way to trust your customers).

[Papusan]

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

What you just described doesn't resemble anything I would call fun or enjoyable. When you have to go to that amount of trouble is where I lose interest. It doesn't seem overly problematic right now that the Asus firmware won't work and doesn't play nice with such an old video card that almost nobody wants to use anymore. But, where does that threshold occur? It could have been yesterday. At what point does support get broken, and how? And who gets to decide when? Then what did they change, and why was the change necessary? Who says so, what was the basis for it? What was the change that made it stop working? What value did that change add for customers? Who benefitted from it, and how?

 

Those are the disturbing questions that nobody would like the answers to. When you find it difficult to recognize anything good to say about a company and how it operates, assuming the worst and a presumption of nefarious intent comes naturally.

Same with the Gigabyte board. Just even worse. That board even hate older Nvidia cards. To sum it up... What they want ... You have to buy their newest and greatest so we can make max profits. But this should never ever be the goal for OC boards meant for oc'ing. People/oc'ers that buy OC boards do it for one sole reason... Have fun with new and old hw, get the best the industri can offer and to take 3D world records (both with new and old hw). Asus fail hard in that task. Same with Evga that can't force Nvidia to give them their Sli keys, + don't even have support for some brand new 4090 graphics cards. And Gigabyte who drag it further and only let you install new graphics cards. Just the status of todays tech................

 

 

 

 

Not sure why a major PSU maker that cater to enthusiasts will force you to use their bloatware to be able to use your expensive HW the way you want.  If you want avsome... You need to be in elite/chosen one and ask for special treatments. The rest of us have to accept seconda or trash. It stinks and it sucks.

[ryan]

who needs a 4090, you guys are rediculous banging a 4080-4090. intel Xe is where its at. I'll pay good money when im not broke to see someone top this lol. oh the end times are near.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

who needs a 4090, you guys are rediculous banging a 4080-4090. intel Xe is where its at. I'll pay good money when im not broke to see someone top this lol. oh the end times are near.

 

 

I'm first to respond, LOL. How much are you paying? 😉

 

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/29840067

[ryan]

1 cent lol. flat broke for a bit lol. I want your NUC geeze, god won't let me have it. wanting is suffering.

 

hahaha 89000 thats insane kinda like me. but woah bro I had no idea a 4090 would top a Intel Xe, you would think with a X in the name it would mean extreme or something.

 

edit your NUC has a 4090 watercooled right?

[Mr. Fox]

Just now, ryan said:

1 cent lol. flat broke for a bit lol. I want your NUC geeze, god won't let me have it. wanting is suffering.

It's still sitting here waiting for you, bro. A little bit of dust won't hurt it.

[ryan]

geeze, It is killing me waiting, been like a month and I can't even budge. if its available in 3 years I might have saved up enough, you know your poor when your counting pennies. on the up side I got a labour job on the side so things will get better, and with  the extra money I get i'll be able to trade stocks again, suprised I didn't save when I was doing good. hindsight is always 20/20

 

the nuc has a 4090/i9 13700k right? lol imagine that

 

I want it because it would be perfect for my tv, a mini desktop to run apps on.

[Mr. Fox]

The good news is, Intel Iris Xe graphics performance only needs to improve a little over 3200% to match 4090. 🤣

[ryan]

thats it? lol 

[Papusan]

Bro Fox. Want to see something ugly? The new and shiny overpriced 4070 cards offer huge value over the cheaper EOL 3070, LOOL

 

[Mr. Fox]

8 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Bro Fox. Want to see something ugly? The new and shiny overpriced 4070 cards offer huge value over the cheaper EOL 3070, LOOL

 

Maybe if they tie a steak around the 4070 the dogs would play with it.

[ryan]

it's the same with the laptop market, the 4060 and 4070 offer little benefit. Ngreedia has been up to this for a while, nothing to see here.

 

and on the desktop front

 

30 percent faster for 20 percent more money lmao

 

[Reciever]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

The good news is, Intel Iris Xe graphics performance only needs to improve a little over 3200% to match 4090. 🤣

One small step for Xe, one big leap for A770

[electrosoft]

Anyone interested in my AMD/7800X3D adventures read on. 🙂

 

 

State of AMD usage update:

 

So I've been running this 7800X3D for a few weeks now. So far so good. No major problems.

 

Love the look of this MSI x670e Carbon board especially paired with the MSI Suprim. When (if?) Cablemod comes through with my cable and right angle adapter it will look even better.

 

I'm running the 7800X3D locked in with -30 PBO +25mhz rock solid.

 

Finished tuning these original (purchased last year) M-die sticks and they're now at 6200/2067Fclk same timings as 6200 @ 1.4v (vs 1.35 @ 6000). They flat out won't do CL28 no matter what I do.

 

7800X3D with newest BIOS taps out at 6200 which is fine as I'm not seeing much of a difference (if at all) between 6000 and 6200 on AMD. 6000 = 30-36-36-30, 6200 = 30-37-37-30. +1 uptick on a few secondary timings at 6200.

 

I tested two other sets of G.Skill M-die and they were worse and wouldn't run the same profiles I tuned for my original M-die. Some of the reviewers were saying G.Skill was shipping A-dies which was my original reason for ordering them but they are definitely not A-die for either set but M-die. Even so, if they could get better timings I would have kept them or could hit 6400 (even uclk div2) for future use.

 

Speaking of the memory, I noticed some AMD users complain of stuttering when gaming and I experienced it too but after much memory tuning trial and error over the last several weeks I can say with confidence it is secondary timings tuning that will fix it right up. I have three profiles saved. One is PBO only @ 6200. Second is PBO + Primary tuning @6200 . Third is Primary + Secondary @6200. I found Turn around tuning really did much of nothing.

 

Running PBO only (stock 4800 timings) is just a stuttery, nasty mess with even X3D in play frame rates take a major hit.

 

6200 only frame rates get a nice boost but stutters/jitters are  there and 1%/.1% dip more frequently.

 

6200 + Primary timing = nicer boost, smoother game play but still intermittent stutter/jaggy gameplay. Not as bad as no tuning though (understatement) as it happens infrequently. For those who use EXPO, this is basically what you will most likely end up with in terms of performance with primary timings not as dialed in as they could be.

 

6200 + Primary + Secondary, that odd jaggy/stuttering is gone. 6 hours of Fallout 76 the other night and no jitters or stutters. Even in (what is heavy for FO76) 10-15 player events just smooth.

 

I've gone back and re-enabled the times and replayed same areas and consistently tamp down or effectively eliminate those issues with the tighter profiles.

 

One nifty side effect of Fallout 76 is I can tell when my memory is pushed too far and/or overheating even if it has passed TM5/WMD. I will get these kaleidoscope type graphical "smears" while playing and when I check my memory temps they are always ~>=50c. I will need to address these "heatsinks" sooner than later. If I run with my case panel off (along with the top fans pulling air somewhat across the modules) memory stays at most ~44c and it doesn't happen. Alternatively, I can drop my Vmem back down to 1.35 @6000 and it goes away too with the case closed as memory temps still stay below 45c.

 

Current itches to be scratched list:

 

I picked up a set of 2x32GB A-die G.Skill trident sticks over on the OC forums to see about dialing in at least 6000 at the same (or better) timings in Dual Rank config. I figure these will be good too for future use as IMCs and motherboards get stronger to see how far they can go down the road especially with Intel.

 

I caved and ordered an Asrock Taichi 7900xtx on Amazon (shipped and sold by Amazon @ 1079.99) for a few reasons:

 

I wanted it 😁 (It really is the only model 7900XTX I wanted followed by the Nitro+ VC).

Retest driver maturation since late December/early January with my XFX 7900XTX

Synergy with x670e+7800X3D

Ultimately a potential ITX build out for travel with one of my numerous portable displays I have on the shelf vs a laptop.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

30 percent faster for 20 percent more money lmao

 

This just show why Nvidia only will offer the minimum of vram for mid-end cards. Force you to upgrade the graphics card every 2nd year. Not a big problem with etc the 4090 (3090). You have already paid extra for the extra vram 🙂 

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, ryan said:

it's the same with the laptop market, the 4060 and 4070 offer little benefit. Ngreedia has been up to this for a while, nothing to see here.

 

and on the desktop front

 

30 percent faster for 20 percent more money lmao

 

 

36 minutes ago, Papusan said:

This just show why Nvidia only will offer the minimum of vram for mid-end cards. Force you to upgrade the graphics card every 2nd year. Not a big problem with etc the 4090 (3090). You have already paid extra for the extra vram 🙂 

 

I said it awhile ago, but it's worth repeating. The only real "upgrades" this cycle for mobile GPUs, and even desktop to a degree, are the 4080 and 4090 for Nvidia. If you have a mobile 3060->3080ti and a 4080/4090 class laptop isn't in your future, you might as well hunker down for the 5000 series.

 

 

As for desktop, 4080 is overpriced but ignoring the price/stack placement, it is a powerful card that outclasses everything from last gen. Every subsequent release has been overpriced for its placement. The 4070 desktop is about as close as it gets for an, "ok" deal atm and that would require a Best Buy purchase with a coupon and rewards to make it ok.

 

 

[ryan]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

The only real "upgrades" this cycle for mobile GPUs, and even desktop to a degree, are the 4080 and 4090 for Nvidia.

This.

 

I have a 3060 laptop and usually only buy mid range these days as the high end gets obsolete around the same time, but I was thinking about a 4070 and its a easy pass, really nothing to be excited about. I could go for a 4090 laptop but for what I need a 5k series would make more sense.

[Mr. Fox]

I actually acquired some points, for myself and for the team. Nice.

https://hwbot.org/submission/5275966_mr._fox_y_cruncher___pi_1b_core_i9_13900k_16sec_572ms

https://hwbot.org/submission/5275967_mr._fox_y_cruncher___pi_2.5b_core_i9_13900k_46sec_860ms

https://hwbot.org/submission/5275993_mr._fox_pyprime___2b_with_benchmate_ddr5_sdram_6sec_855ms

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/94304340 | https://hwbot.org/submission/5276039_mr._fox_3dmark___port_royal_geforce_rtx_4090_28654_marks

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/94304600 | https://hwbot.org/submission/5276042_mr._fox_3dmark___speed_way_geforce_rtx_4090_10760_marks

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/94305191 | https://hwbot.org/submission/5276059_mr._fox_3dmark___time_spy_geforce_rtx_4090_38660_marks

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/94306546 | https://hwbot.org/submission/5276089_mr._fox_3dmark___sky_diver_geforce_rtx_4090_169154_marks

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/94306983 | https://hwbot.org/submission/5276092_mr._fox_3dmark___time_spy_geforce_rtx_4090_38902_marks

[ryan]

 

example

 

 

quick question, but do any of you gentlemen know why someone would be getting 50 percent of an igpus potential. I was thinking ram(dual channel) but it seems in task manager Im running 2x4gb sticks(lol, sorry just a pitiful setup) but I should be getting double what im getting. I don't get my gaming laptop back until the 28th.

[Mr. Fox]

3 minutes ago, ryan said:

 

quick question, but do any of you gentlemen know why someone would be getting 50 percent of an igpus potential. I was thinking ram(dual channel) but it seems in task manager Im running 2x4gb sticks(lol, sorry just a pitiful setup) but I should be getting double what im getting. I don't get my gaming laptop back until the 28th.

You are sharing that 8GB with the graphics system and there is not much of it. It is also much slower than memory on a GPU. How does the memory clock speed compare to the scores that are twice what yours are?

[ryan]

theirs:

 

Memory

16 GB, DDR4-3200, dual-channel, two memory slots (both in use)

 

mine

2667 2x4gb dual channel

 

you wouldn't think memory would impact scores so much but hey I guess they do because iv'e tried more than a few drivers

[Rage Set]

19 hours ago, electrosoft said:

@Rage Set FC agrees with you about JayZ2C and then some. GN and De8auer put in the real work on this one.

 

@Clamibot End screen basically Gigabyte is garbage all around. I do try to avoid them when possible at all costs.

 

Take his ramblings with a grain of salt as always....

 

 

 

 

But on the other hand, this is my favorite comment from this video hands down:

 

 

His shots at Steve of GamersNexus and Steve of HUB are funny and ironic. FC claims they took their issues with these companies personally, but it almost seems he has a personally problem with AMD. That commenter hit the nail on the head.

 

[Mr. Fox]

13 hours ago, ryan said:

theirs:

 

Memory

16 GB, DDR4-3200, dual-channel, two memory slots (both in use)

 

mine

2667 2x4gb dual channel

 

you wouldn't think memory would impact scores so much but hey I guess they do because iv'e tried more than a few drivers

Yeah, the memory speed used by the GPU matters a ton. A whole lot more than system memory. 2667 versus 3200 would definitely be measurable. This is one of the reasons the flagship Radeon cards can't compete with flagship GeForce cards. AMD still use GDDR6 versus the far superior GDDR6X video memory. In some conditions the performance difference is tremendous. The slower speed and decreased bandwidth of GDDR6 can often present a remarkable performance bottleneck.

13 hours ago, Rage Set said:

His shots at Steve of GamersNexus and Steve of HUB are funny and ironic. FC claims they took their issues with these companies personally, but it almost seems he has a personally problem with AMD. That commenter hit the nail on the head.

Totally agree Brother @Rage Setand the comments right below that about Dunning-Kruger effect are also an accurate way of describing Mr. Pottymouth. While he often makes some good points that we agree with (sometimes merely stating what is obvious) he truly is a legend in his own mind.

 

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/dunning-kruger-effect-what-to-know

 

I do not agree with Mr. Grumpy Canuck that Jay or Steve took the issues personally, unless we also believe that everyone (and there are way too many) that has had very bad experiences with ASUS products that are broken, including their trash software and sketchy firmware, are also taking their misery personally when they complain about it publicly.

 

I think they deserve every ounce of hate and contempt leveled at them. They have become a legion of scumbags and a poster child for the worthlessness of the CCP. I mean, it is obvious to anyone paying attention that ASUS is in a state of decline and they have been for several years. Hopefully, they will turn it around and make a comeback. They used to be good, and they can return to being great if they care enough to make the effort. They have the skill, but it is questionable whether or not they have the will. The greedier they are, the harder it is to correct. With big companies like ASUS, it often takes very drastic measures and devastating financial consequences to get their attention, and if they don't act quickly in demonstrating remorse, decisively change their ways and make sure everyone can see and feel that change, their doom will be sealed.

[tps3443]

Anyone try one of these liquid devil 7900XTX? They cost $1,399.99. I think it’s cool looking. 
 

https://www.microcenter.com/product/664356/powercolor-amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-liquid-devil-overclocked-liquid-cooled-24gb-gddr6-pcie-40-graphics-card