*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

14 hours ago, cylix said:

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-hasnt-sold-a-single-arrow-lake-cpu-at-germanys-largest-retailer-core-ultra-200s-sales-stagnate-after-just-one-week

This is probably accurate with respect to the Core Ultra line as a whole, but I don't see any market having 285K availability. Only the 285K really matters and it's not available for the most part. Most people in most places can't buy it even if they wanted it because nobody has any stock. If the extremely limited and nearly non-existent supply of 285K processors are only listed for purchase at inflated scalper prices it makes perfect sense that nobody is buying them. They shouldn't buy them and would be silly to do so.  (The only 285K CPUs that I see for sale are few and far between, for asinine prices, and primarily from sketchy sellers that shouldn't be trusted.)

 

I could see there being little or no interest in the lesser CPUs. If someone already owns a mid- or low-range CPU from 13th or 14th Gen there is no reason I can think of that they should want to spend money on something newer in the mid- or low-range.

 

A month ago the media mantra was the same, except nobody wanted Zen 5. Now the popular story is nobody wants Core Ultra. This is becoming a pattern with the media.  I would apply the same logic when the media was buzzing about Zen 5 sales being in the toilet. Only the flagship really matters to enthusiasts. And, gamers truly don't need any new hardware to game unless they own an antiquated system. A CPU and motherboard upgrade are too expensive and would yield little benefit to anyone if the pursuit is gaming.

 

It irks me that system builders have stock and people can buy a prebuilt with the newest hardware, but the components are often not available in retail channels. This has been frequently true since the days of 8700K. That's messed up and I think it is indicative of inter-industry collusion.

[Papusan]

On 10/23/2024 at 7:38 PM, Papusan said:

Intel's CEO Pat. Gelsinger working hard for Intel......

 

Hmmm. Not only Pat working hard. So do Intel as the whole. 

 

[Mr. Fox]

9 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Hmmm. Not only Pat working hard. So do Intel. 

 

I don't really pay much attention to either of those guys. Most of their videos are clickbait and merely a platform for their expressions of personal bias and speculation. I don't have much respect for them anymore. Even when what they are saying is true, it's really slanted and framed in such a way as to stir up controversy.

14 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

A month ago the media mantra was the same, except nobody wanted Zen 5. Now the popular story is nobody wants Core Ultra. This is becoming a pattern with the media.  I would apply the same logic when the media was buzzing about Zen 5 sales being in the toilet. Only the flagship really matters to enthusiasts.

Stop and think of how many similarities there are between now and 30-45 days ago. Everyone hated Zen 5 because the focus was on using less power and not face-melting performance gains. Same game, new target. Who and what will be the next target? There always has to be drama. It seems to be essential.

[tps3443]

12x16GB installed (192GB Of fresh Samsung B-Die dual rank sticks in the Dominus! This was about a $572 dollar investment for this matching 256GB kit of ram. But definitely worth it!! I have a 4x16GB left over that I cannot use. I’ll hang on to it if I ever decide to sell this down the road. All sticks were manufactured February or April of 2023. 😁
 

First boot at 3200cl14 XMP at 1.350V, now to start overclocking. It’s nice to see when things are done correctly with patience, there are no issues at all. 😀

 

[jaybee83]

16 hours ago, cylix said:

Wait for the discounts. Looks like this cpus will not save Intel from their money troubles.

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-hasnt-sold-a-single-arrow-lake-cpu-at-germanys-largest-retailer-core-ultra-200s-sales-stagnate-after-just-one-week

 

aint it interesting that american sites basically sell out of arrow lake CPUs, whereas in europe nobody dare touch that stuff with a 10 foot pole? 😄 

 

on this note, more deetz on the upcoming 9800X3D, this time with full overclocking capabilities, same as with the regular skus:

 

 

lets hope AMD did get the numbers right this time around 😄 

[Mr. Fox]

So, I had to step in and defend Mr. Potty-Mouth... LOL...

 

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29385760/

 

  

4 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

aint it interesting that american sites basically sell out of arrow lake CPUs, whereas in europe nobody dare touch that stuff with a 10 foot pole? 😄 

 

on this note, more deetz on the upcoming 9800X3D, this time with full overclocking capabilities, same as with the regular skus:

 

 

lets hope AMD did get the numbers right this time around 😄 

I am not aware of any American sites that had any 285K stock that they could "sell out" because it was never in stock. Hardly anyone owns one. I guess if you have 10 and sell all 10 that qualifies as selling out, LOL. I am not sure if that is accurate about other places. It seems like the only group that have most of them are Asian countries. I only see a few rare and random scalper offerings on the 285K that are priced for idiots.

[jaybee83]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

So, I had to step in and defend Mr. Potty-Mouth... LOL...

 

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29385760/

 

  

I am not aware of any American sites that had any 285K stock that they could "sell out" because it was never in stock. Hardly anyone owns one. I guess if you have 10 and sell all 10 that qualifies as selling out, LOL. I am not sure if that is accurate about other places. It seems like the only group that have most of them are Asian countries. I only see a few rare and random scalper offerings on the 285K that are priced for idiots.

 

LOL thats another way to put it then @"selling out DOZENS of cpus" 😛 but hey, that would still be more than the largest european hardware shop sold in a week 😄 

[tps3443]

Did a few hours of gaming with my son tonight playing Ark, since these ram sticks packed in like sardines, I was wondering how hot they would get, but the temps are really good! No fans at all, just passive cooling on the ram/motherboard. There was no loss in overclocking ability at all going from 96GB to 192GB. Very easy to overclock on! Just a beast of a machine! 🙂

[johnksss]

Definitely a bit on the rusty side of things...

 

So I was able to get past 24,000 on cpu score.

A couple of test runs on 3dmark using full video memory.

Time Spy

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/51091125

Firestrike

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/119797393

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

Definitely a bit on the rusty side of things...

 

So I was able to get past 2400 on cpu score.

A couple of test runs on 3dmark using full video memory.

Time Spy

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/51091125

Firestrike

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/119797393

 

 

 

From what I understand, things are really funky now with the NPU and fabric crap but the E-core voltage is adjustable independently from the P-core voltage. The tiled nonsense sure does jack up the memory latency though. Very much like Ryzen in that respect, unfortunately. It is very intriguing while pretty disgusting at the same time.

 

Microcenter get any 285K in stock yet? Seems like this happens every time. The part most in demand isn't available on launch day except in single-digit quantities with merchants, or not even at all.

 

I am still tempted to buy a Taichi OCF. If I do (still not sure I will) it won't be until 285K is available. The Z890 platform looks great and I love a lot of things about that motherboard, but I am not very keen on Core Ultra so far. I don't really give a rat about gaming performance. The compute performance looks really good even though the memory latency looks pitiful compared to Raptor Lake. It is sad that Intel caved in and moved to a glued together mess like AMD. That monolithic design, even with the crappy E-cores, was one of the things that set them apart as superior. Now their part of the belly-buttons and buttholes club, doing what is popular instead of what is good, and stooping to partnering with TSMC.

 

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Today Mrs. Fox and I celebrate 38 years of marriage. Seems weird to even say that. Sometimes I forget that I am not 38 years old, LOL.

[electrosoft]

45 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

From what I understand, things are really funky now with the NPU and fabric crap but the E-core voltage is adjustable independently from the P-core voltage. The tiled nonsense sure does jack up the memory latency though. Very much like Ryzen in that respect, unfortunately. It is very intriguing while pretty disgusting at the same time.

 

Microcenter get any 285K in stock yet? Seems like this happens every time. The part most in demand isn't available on launch day except in single-digit quantities with merchants, or not even at all.

 

I am still tempted to buy a Taichi OCF. If I do (still not sure I will) it won't be until 285K is available. The Z890 platform looks great and I love a lot of things about that motherboard, but I am not very keen on Core Ultra so far. I don't really give a rat about gaming performance. The compute performance looks really good even though the memory latency looks pitiful compared to Raptor Lake. It is sad that Intel caved in and moved to a glued together mess like AMD. That monolithic design, even with the crappy E-cores, was one of the things that set them apart as superior. Now their part of the belly-buttons and buttholes club, doing what is popular instead of what is good, and stooping to partnering with TSMC.

 

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Today Mrs. Fox and I celebrate 38 years of marriage. Seems weird to even say that. Sometimes I forget that I am not 38 years old, LOL.

 

The tinkerer in you feels the pull. I keep telling myself I don't need 285k + Z890 but I can feel the itch growing....

 

And congrats to 38 years brother! The Mrs and I just celebrated 27yrs. Crazy how time flies! And I agree that times like this make us realize we're not young pups anymore but you're as old as you feel and continue to enjoy life. I have just as much zest for tech now as I did when I first tinkered and overclocked my Macintosh 7100/66 to 80mhz and was super giddy because Marathon could then run at a better frame rate back in 95...that officially opened Pandora's box!

 

 

[electrosoft]

So glad Intel is reigning in some common sense going forward:

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-panther-lake-to-launch-in-second-half-of-2025-no-more-memory-on-package-in-future-products

 

Looks like Lunar Lake is a one off and subsequent chips from their 18A fabs will return some normalcy to the laptop space.

 

When I saw Lunar Lake was trying to take an Apple approach and integrate everything on chip, I was immediately turned off. I was even asked if I wanted to test, review and keep an Ultra 7 Series 2 laptop and I declined. It is just a DOA design for me. I say this gladly having accepted a few Ultra 7 and 9 laptops from Asus for testing which I actually like.

 

Going forward, Intel will properly remove the memory from the chip package and start going back to a more classic design.

 

I wonder if this also has some bearing on the fact that laptop makers are sticking with older generation CPUs (along with cost) when they roll out Nvidia 5000 based laptops next year? The Ultra Series 2 regressed massively core count wise but the individual cores are better but still.....

 

 

[johnksss]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

From what I understand, things are really funky now with the NPU and fabric crap but the E-core voltage is adjustable independently from the P-core voltage. The tiled nonsense sure does jack up the memory latency though. Very much like Ryzen in that respect, unfortunately. It is very intriguing while pretty disgusting at the same time.

 

Microcenter get any 285K in stock yet? Seems like this happens every time. The part most in demand isn't available on launch day except in single-digit quantities with merchants, or not even at all.

 

I am still tempted to buy a Taichi OCF. If I do (still not sure I will) it won't be until 285K is available. The Z890 platform looks great and I love a lot of things about that motherboard, but I am not very keen on Core Ultra so far. I don't really give a rat about gaming performance. The compute performance looks really good even though the memory latency looks pitiful compared to Raptor Lake. It is sad that Intel caved in and moved to a glued together mess like AMD. That monolithic design, even with the crappy E-cores, was one of the things that set them apart as superior. Now their part of the belly-buttons and buttholes club, doing what is popular instead of what is good, and stooping to partnering with TSMC.

 

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Today Mrs. Fox and I celebrate 38 years of marriage. Seems weird to even say that. Sometimes I forget that I am not 38 years old, LOL.

This is true; voltage can be controlled independently, but also now you have a few ways to fine-tune a clock speed. You can now set 55.16/55.33/55.50 multipliers and so on. It no longer has to be 54/55/56. That's a plus if they keep that going forward. I'm on the fence when it comes to the 10C unlock. With that in place, people can't just copy other people's settings and act like they have become master over clockers overnight using an AIO or a heatsink. 

 

None at Microcenter as of yet, but they did drop the price on the 265K to 379.99

 

What do you like about that board?

 

Not keen on this iteration either, but hoping the next CPU (Done somewhat correctly)is a direct fit and no board replacement. (After the 285K) 

 

Happy Anniversary my friend!

 

[Papusan]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Today Mrs. Fox and I celebrate 38 years of marriage. Seems weird to even say that. Sometimes I forget that I am not 38 years old, LOL.

 

Congratulations on the Lily wedding to you both🙂 Only two year to reach Ruby wedding, so keep on unprecedented love.

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, johnksss said:

What do you like about that board?

l don't have one if you mean the Z890 Taichi OC Formula. I really want one, but I am not sure I want the CPU that goes with it, LOL. I kinda don't. But, the motherboard looks like it would be great to whatever degree that is possible looking at web pages. I really do like the BIOS layout on the Z690 Velocita. It doesn't really seem ASRock was aiming to impress anyone with a bunch of gamerboy aesthetics, but the menu layout is really intelligent and seems to be focused on function over form.

 

I like how it looks and all of the buttons and useful switches on it. I like that the dual BIOS switch is on the rear I/O. And, obviously the fact that it is 2-DIMM eclipses everything else on my list of essential features. I only go with ASUS when the other options are suckier, and that looks like a worthy replacement for an Apex in many ways. I like the fact that it isn't made by ASUS. And, it is priced a whole lot better than an Apex. ASUS ROG products are always excessively overpriced.

3 hours ago, johnksss said:

Happy Anniversary my friend!

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Congratulations on the Lily wedding to you both🙂 Only two year to reach Ruby wedding, so keep on unprecedented love.

 

6 hours ago, electrosoft said:

And congrats to 38 years brother!

Thanks, guys. We grabbed lunch and a movie today after my appointment with the cardiologist. Nice time, but if you have a chance to see Absolution I'd recommend skipping it. Super boring, which is surprising considering Liam Neeson plays the main character. My wife and I were both having a very hard time staying awake because it was so dull.

[johnksss]

@Mr. Fox Yes, meaning your opinion about it. I looked at it, but our Microcenter didn't carry the OCF so I did not get it to test with. They have come a long way since being considered a budget motherboard company back in the day. I used to buy a lot from them back in 2002 onward. Still do from time to time.

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, johnksss said:

@Mr. Fox Yes, meaning your opinion about it. I looked at it, but our Microcenter didn't carry the OCF so I did not get it to test with. They have come a long way since being considered a budget motherboard company back in the day. I used to buy a lot from them back in 2002 onward. Still do from time to time.

The 6900 XT that I had from @Rage Set and the Intel Arc A770 GPU that I sold and the current Z690 Velocita I own are all very solid ASRock products that offered good value for the money. It is a shame the Velocita has 4 memory slots. Had I not paid only $112 for it that would never have been acceptable. It sucks at memory overclocking because of that, but it does a nice job of everything else.

 

I notice that Central Computer has 285K in stock, but available only for in-store pickup like Microcenter. They are priced correctly as well. A long way to drive from SoCal, but that is the only retailer I can see that has any. https://www.centralcomputer.com/intel-core-ultra-9-285k-processor-24-cores-32-threads-8-16-3-2ghz-base-clock-5-7ghz-turbo-125w-tdp.html

 

 

@Talon got his from Provantage and it looks like they have 3 in stock. Looks like the only place a person can buy one online for delivery.

https://www.provantage.com/intel-bx80768285k~7ITEP9HL.htm

 

I have one in my cart and a Taichi OCF in my cart at NewEgg. I waited a few minutes and changed my mind and abandoned both carts. I remembered how disappointed and angry I was with the 5950X and Crosshair VIII experience and decided to procrastinate more before dropping $1200 on something I might regret. 

[Reciever]

It looks like my EVGA 1300w G2 gave up the ghost, loud pop and flash. Thankfully though nothing was lost in my PC. Opened an RMA with EVGA and using my SFX 550w PSU to tide me over for a while.

[Mr. Fox]

1 minute ago, Reciever said:

It looks like my EVGA 1300w G2 gave up the ghost, loud pop and flash. Thankfully though nothing was lost in my PC. Opened an RMA with EVGA and using my SFX 550w PSU to tide me over for a while.

Wow, sorry to hear that. Glad it did not damage anything else. If EVGA warranty service is still as wonderful as it has always been they will have you back in business pronto.

[Talon]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

The 6900 XT that I had from @Rage Set and the Intel Arc A770 GPU that I sold and the current Z690 Velocita I own are all very solid ASRock products that offered good value for the money. It is a shame the Velocita has 4 memory slots. Had I not paid only $112 for it that would never have been acceptable. It sucks at memory overclocking because of that, but it does a nice job of everything else.

 

I notice that Central Computer has 285K in stock, but available only for in-store pickup like Microcenter. They are priced correctly as well. A long way to drive from SoCal, but that is the only retailer I can see that has any. https://www.centralcomputer.com/intel-core-ultra-9-285k-processor-24-cores-32-threads-8-16-3-2ghz-base-clock-5-7ghz-turbo-125w-tdp.html

 

 

@Talon got his from Provantage and it looks like they have 3 in stock. Looks like the only place a person can buy one online for delivery.

https://www.provantage.com/intel-bx80768285k~7ITEP9HL.htm

 

I have one in my cart and a Taichi OCF in my cart at NewEgg. I waited a few minutes and changed my mind and abandoned both carts. I remembered how disappointed and angry I was with the 5950X and Crosshair VIII experience and decided to procrastinate more before dropping $1200 on something I might regret. 

 

Provantage has the OCF near MSRP of $499 at $509 at Provantage. Newegg $599 is a scam IMO. 

 

Personally wish I kept the OCF $499 order I had previously. 

 

I am going to be curious how far you can push your 285K (when you eventually buy it lol) on your direct die chilled water setup. 

[Mr. Fox]

53 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Provantage has the OCF near MSRP of $499 at $509 at Provantage. Newegg $599 is a scam IMO. 

 

Personally wish I kept the OCF $499 order I had previously. 

 

I am going to be curious how far you can push your 285K (when you eventually buy it lol) on your direct die chilled water setup. 

I saw that, but the OCF is special order and not in stock at Provantage. It is a hard decision and it really shouldn't be. I think this is the only example of me ever having reservations and concerns about the idea of buying any flagship Intel CPU. I'm not there yet and do not know if or when, if ever, this would  get me excited. The apprehension is significant. Not so much based on YouTube talking head nonsense as much as the reduced thread count, reduced overclocking capacity, high memory latency and unproven efficacy of their first stab at a glued together mess. AMD is just now starting to get their similar engineering mess figured out. It took a while and I still don't like it.

 

Had they released these CPUs in an LGA-1700 form factor I probably would have rolled the dice on the new Core Ultra CPU design just for giggles. Having to buy a new motherboard to be part of their experiment makes it a harder pill to swallow.

[johnksss]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I saw that, but the OCF is special order and not in stock at Provantage. It is a hard decision and it really shouldn't be. I think this is the only example of me ever having reservations and concerns about the idea of buying any flagship Intel CPU. I'm not there yet and do not know if or when, if ever, this would  get me excited. The apprehension is significant. Not so much based on YouTube talking head nonsense as much as the reduced thread count, reduced overclocking capacity, high memory latency and unproven efficacy of their first stab at a glued together mess. AMD is just now starting to get their similar engineering mess figured out. It took a while and I still don't like it.

 

Had they released these CPUs in an LGA-1700 form factor I probably would have rolled the dice on the new Core Ultra CPU design just for giggles. Having to buy a new motherboard to be part of their experiment makes it a harder pill to swallow.

You might as well wait. This is a feature release/low power performance and not a serious performance one, unless you plan on running LN2. I have 15 days to decide if I keep it or just go back to my 14900KS/Z790. And since I bought my KS while it was about $790 out the door, that puts a pretty good dent in this particular purchase. So not as expensive should I stick it out in the end. For this to be worthwhile they would need to release a new higher-tiered CPU for this platform and I'm not sure anyone wants to wait that long.

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

14 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I saw that, but the OCF is special order and not in stock at Provantage. It is a hard decision and it really shouldn't be. I think this is the only example of me ever having reservations and concerns about the idea of buying any flagship Intel CPU. I'm not there yet and do not know if or when, if ever, this would  get me excited. The apprehension is significant. Not so much based on YouTube talking head nonsense as much as the reduced thread count, reduced overclocking capacity, high memory latency and unproven efficacy of their first stab at a glued together mess. AMD is just now starting to get their similar engineering mess figured out. It took a while and I still don't like it.

 

Had they released these CPUs in an LGA-1700 form factor I probably would have rolled the dice on the new Core Ultra CPU design just for giggles. Having to buy a new motherboard to be part of their experiment makes it a harder pill to swallow.

 

12 hours ago, johnksss said:

You might as well wait. This is a feature release/low power performance and not a serious performance one, unless you plan on running LN2. I have 15 days to decide if I keep it or just go back to my 14900KS/Z790. And since I bought my KS while it was about $790 out the door, that puts a pretty good dent in this particular purchase. So not as expensive should I stick it out in the end. For this to be worthwhile they would need to release a new higher-tiered CPU for this platform and I'm not sure anyone wants to wait that long.

 

 

 

 

Well....if you ACT NOW.....

 

Newegg is throwing in a Samsung 990 Pro 1TB SSD with the purchase of a Z890 Apex.....

 

[Raiderman]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

Well....if you ACT NOW.....

 

Newegg is throwing in a Samsung 990 Pro 1TB SSD with the purchase of a Z890 Apex.....

 

Motherboard prices are seriously stupid now days! With stagnation in the industry as a whole, I see a crash coming soon, or at least a reboot.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

Motherboard prices are seriously stupid now days! With stagnation in the industry as a whole, I see a crash coming soon, or at least a reboot.

I agree and hope so because that's what we need and they deserve.

 

The direction the pricing of things (tech and non-tech) is headed is not sustainable. Everything is grossly overpriced and most things are overvalued. The best thing that could happen in the tech realm is for most people and companies to just stop buying anything and use what they have as long as it continues to work and only buy used replacements for failed products that are deemed not repairable. Then they would have no money available to waste on idiotic nonsense like AI. Some companies would go out of business because their greed and pursuit of nonsense would no longer have sufficient funding. Que sera sera.

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

Well....if you ACT NOW.....

 

Newegg is throwing in a Samsung 990 Pro 1TB SSD with the purchase of a Z890 Apex.....

 

Seems like a desperate act to move a product that isn't selling well.

 

At that price they should include two 1TB or a 2TB. A 1TB NVMe or SSD it like nothing now. It is the smallest size I will buy. Anything less it just too small to bother with and I consider 1TB to be super-ordinary mainstream entry-level drive capacity.