*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Rage Set]

Building out a 3D print farm, starting with the Bambu Labs P1S. My only concern is that many of the reviews on Bambu Labs products compare the company to Apple...it just works but modding is out the window. My initial goal is to design and print custom parts for PCs. My ultimate goal is to have a CNC machine. I have to keep telling myself to start small, hahaha.

 

I am also going to write a review for this product, stay tuned for that. If this endeavor ends up like I think it will, if any of you ever need a custom piece printed, let me know and I'll just charge the cost of materials. 

 

[Mr. Fox]

21 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

Building out a 3D print farm, starting with the Bambu Labs P1S. My only concern is that many of the reviews on Bambu Labs products compare the company to Apple...it just works but modding is out the window. My initial goal is to design and print custom parts for PCs. My ultimate goal is to have a CNC machine. I have to keep telling myself to start small, hahaha.

 

I am also going to write a review for this product, stay tuned for that. If this endeavor ends up like I think it will, if any of you ever need a custom piece printed, let me know and I'll just charge the cost of materials. 

 

That sounds awesome, brother. I look forward to seeing how that turns out. Really interested in that. ❤️

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

That is a great deal. Congrats.

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These silver Byski RAM sinks and aluminum heatsink on top fit the Edge aesthetic nicely. It looks better than the black ones.

I can’t wait to test it! I have more or less learned my current w3175X well. I know its limits. It’s actually a very very good chip though from what I am seeing. My current W3175X was manufactured the very last week of 2017, and this new one was made in mid 2019. So definitely curious to see if they run similar or potentially worse. Both retail chips. These CPU’s are $2,999 brand new on Amazon. So finding one sealed like this for $380 dollars seems crazy to me, and I felt silly not grabbing it. 

[Mr. Fox]

7 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I can’t wait to test it! I have more or less learned my current w3175X well. I know its limits. It’s actually a very very good chip though from what I am seeing. My current W3175X was manufactured the very last week of 2017, and this new one was made in mid 2019. So definitely curious to see if they run similar or potentially worse. Both retail chips. These CPU’s are $2,999 brand new on Amazon. So finding one sealed like this for $380 dollars seems crazy to me, and I felt silly not grabbing it. 

200% that was a STEAL for that CPU new/sealed. I am super impressed with that motherboard and CPU.

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I removed the trashy stock G.SKILL heating blankets and have the memory on water now in the Carbon. Huge improvement (like 20-25°C) in memory temps under load. It's really too bad this is a 4-DIMM motherboard. I could have used the IceMan RAM blocks and the memory overclocking would also be better. Brother @Clamibot got those parts in his kit anyhow.❤️ This was hitting 55-60°C in TM5 before, usually erroring out due to overheating. No more.

(lots of new bubbles in the loop now, LOL... will clear up in a day or so)

[win32asmguy]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I can’t wait to test it! I have more or less learned my current w3175X well. I know its limits. It’s actually a very very good chip though from what I am seeing. My current W3175X was manufactured the very last week of 2017, and this new one was made in mid 2019. So definitely curious to see if they run similar or potentially worse. Both retail chips. These CPU’s are $2,999 brand new on Amazon. So finding one sealed like this for $380 dollars seems crazy to me, and I felt silly not grabbing it. 

 

That is awesome!

 

These humonguous monolithic chips are too tempting. I picked up a W7-2495X off of eBay and am going to build a Sapphire Rapids setup. Thinking ASRock W790 WS but still need to figure out a good memory kit and power supply.

[electrosoft]

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I reached out to @chew on oc.net (chewonthis) and he says it works, but it absolutely does not work or something I am setting due to lack of understanding of how AMD firmware works is making it not work. (I am thinking the BIOS is bugged.)

 

I am still within my return Windows and seriously debating whether I should RMA this and get the Taichi instead. Overall I really like it, but I expected a little better in terms of BIOS tuning function. I could also be jumping from the frying pan to the fire and end up regretting the switch. I should probably poke around in the oc.net X870E Taichi forums first and see what, if anything, people are complaining about.

 

I need to ping @Raiderman about something else (not computer related).

 

In all honesty, if an x670e taichi open box or if Newegg had offered an x870e taichi discounted combo deal with the 9800X3D, I would have went that direction. My total plan was to test the 9800X3D + 2x32GB A-die on that Asus B650 holdover board, but it was such a disaster after BIOS update and the x670e Hero was such a good price opened box, I went with that.

 

When all is said and done, I may still return the x670e Hero and pick up the x870e Taichi. It's really what I'm going to want down the road if I lock into the 9000X3D as my desktop main.

 

I say this absolutely loving and having no problems with my x670e Carbon but I know @Raiderman had problems with his.

 

If you're being limited, send it back ASAP and try the Taichi. I'll at least get your high level opinion of it and what you think before I potentially bite the bullet in a few months on one. That's a win win. And if it isn't doing it for you, sent it back and try Asus....

 

3 hours ago, Rage Set said:

Building out a 3D print farm, starting with the Bambu Labs P1S. My only concern is that many of the reviews on Bambu Labs products compare the company to Apple...it just works but modding is out the window. My initial goal is to design and print custom parts for PCs. My ultimate goal is to have a CNC machine. I have to keep telling myself to start small, hahaha.

 

I am also going to write a review for this product, stay tuned for that. If this endeavor ends up like I think it will, if any of you ever need a custom piece printed, let me know and I'll just charge the cost of materials. 

 

 

Whoa, that sounds amazing! Looking forward to some pics and write ups.

 

52 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

 

That is awesome!

 

These humonguous monolithic chips are too tempting. I picked up a W7-2495X off of eBay and am going to build a Sapphire Rapids setup. Thinking ASRock W790 WS but still need to figure out a good memory kit and power supply.

 

Damn....swinging in the big league!! Seriously can't wait to see the build log and benches on this.

 

 

[tps3443]

3 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

That is awesome!

 

These humonguous monolithic chips are too tempting. I picked up a W7-2495X off of eBay and am going to build a Sapphire Rapids setup. Thinking ASRock W790 WS but still need to figure out a good memory kit and power supply.

I’d go for the Gskill or Team Group DDR5 6000-6800 ECC RDIMM sticks, but you gotta shop around I have seen prices go from $289.99 to $500+ for the 4x16GB. Those will overclock really good, potentially hitting DDR5 7000+ ranges. Newegg had some 4x16GB for like $239.99 at one point when I was looking a while back. The prices have shot up again though with 3rd party resellers listing them.
 

Fortunately motherboards prices for W790 are dropping FAST! So I’d say Asus W790 or Asrock are really the only choices you have. The Asrock w790 2.0 is a stripped down Asrock W790, they were supposed to be $499.99 retail MSRP. But I’m not sure if that has even come to the USA yet. 
 

The Xeon 2495X is a good chip. This one should last years and years with solid performance. And it’s a single die with quad channel. So latency is good! Bandwidth will still be insane.

 

Heres some sticks below! I would check QVL really well. Just make sure every thing goes together. It’ll be a trouble free experience. Make sure to take some serious caution when mounting those big CPU’s and use proper torquing sequence. 

 

https://www.newegg.com/team-group-64gb/p/N82E16820985125?item=N82E16820985125

[win32asmguy]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I’d go for the Gskill or Team Group DDR5 6000-6800 ECC RDIMM sticks, but you gotta shop around I have seen prices go from $289.99 to $500+ for the 4x16GB. Those will overclock really good, potentially hitting DDR5 7000+ ranges. Newegg had some 4x16GB for like $239.99 at one point when I was looking a while back. The prices have shot up again though with 3rd party resellers listing them.
 

Fortunately motherboards prices for W790 are dropping FAST! So I’d say Asus W790 or Asrock are really the only choices you have. The Asrock w790 2.0 is a stripped down Asrock W790, they were supposed to be $499.99 retail MSRP. But I’m not sure if that has even come to the USA yet. 
 

The Xeon 2495X is a good chip. This one should last years and years with solid performance. And it’s a single die with quad channel. So latency is good! Bandwidth will still be insane.

 

Heres some sticks below! I would check QVL really well. Just make sure every thing goes together. It’ll be a trouble free experience. Make sure to take some serious caution when mounting those big CPU’s and use proper torquing sequence. 

 

https://www.newegg.com/team-group-64gb/p/N82E16820985125?item=N82E16820985125

 

Yep I like the Team Group 4x16GB 6400 kit for $450. The 6400 CL32 kit should be a better bin than the 6000 CL32 kit, correct?

 

I like the ASRock W790 WS. It has a good slot layout and other features. From what I read most or all of the bios bugs have been ironed out.

 

The 2495X seemed like a decent deal at $1500. It should be a fun build and was more interesting to me than 9950X or 285K. It should hopefully lead to selling off all of my laptop projects other than my current one so it should be cheaper in the long run to mess around with.

[electrosoft]

Epilogue to the 4090 as it winds down and the 5090 is on the horizon vs the 3090ti with newer games:

 

 

I hope we get at a minimum similar gains with the 5090 if not more.

[jaybee83]

On 11/26/2024 at 6:18 PM, electrosoft said:

 

Whew, pressing it nicely! 285k and 9950x are turning out some decent scores!

 

I never tried to set different ratios between ccds on my 7950x3d on my x670e Carbon so I can not confirm or deny there. See what @Raiderman or @jaybee83 get doing the same since they have a Carbon and Hero respectively.

 

 

 

how dare you mislabel my Extreme as a lowly pleb Hero?! 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

 

how dare you mislabel my Extreme as a lowly pleb Hero?! 

 

My humblest apologies my Liege....  🤣

[Mr. Fox]

21 hours ago, electrosoft said:

If you're being limited, send it back ASAP and try the Taichi. I'll at least get your high level opinion of it and what you think before I potentially bite the bullet in a few months on one. That's a win win. And if it isn't doing it for you, sent it back and try Asus....

I went ahead and ordered a Taichi on NewEgg today. I have until January to return the Carbon. Taichi has two more SATA ports and I can use all of the M.2 slots without chopping the GPU back to x8, and the onboard clock generator that only the idiotic MSI Godlike offers. (The loss of storage options with the Carbon as a replacement to the Apex Encore was immediately painful.) The EATX size is not a big deal to me... not a problem.

 

Added bonus (possibly) is that my TeamGroup Xtreem 48GB 8200 kit is on the Taichi QVL. It does not work correctly with the Carbon and neither does the G.SKILL 48GB kit. Only the older A-die 32GB memory seems to work correctly on the Carbon and the MSI QVL doesn't show anything else.

 

I would have preferred the Taichi Lite for several reasons (including better aesthetics) but the lack of the GPU release made it unattractive. It's too hard to get to the release on the top x16 slot under a large GPU. I will make sure the Taichi is better before I return the Carbon.

[Mr. Fox]

Happy Thanksgiving, friends. We all have much to be thankful for. I am thankful for all of you. 

[Papusan]

On 10/22/2024 at 8:12 PM, Mr. Fox said:

I also like that ASRock does not bundle Intel ME cancer in the BIOS as a trojan like ASSzues does. You have to flash it separately and if you don't want it you do not have to. There is never a need to update Intel ME. In fact, the actual need is for a BIOS menu option to disable it because it serves no useful purpose.

 

Seems Asus made it possible to avoid upgrade to newer ME with their new feature upgrade for the new boards. Just continue as ususal (old habit) and upgrade bios with selecting CAP files.

 

 

Z890 motherboard BIOS update becomes easier!

 

The focus of ASUS EZ FLASH 4 is actually the ZIP file. Users do not need to manually decompress the file to extract the CAP file so that the BIOS can read it directly, because the latest generation of ASUS EZ FLASH 4 supports reading ZIP files and updating them directly. In fact, ASUS does not recommend users to manually unzip it because the ZIP contains INTEL ME updates. If the user only selects the CAP file to update, INTEL ME cannot be updated at the same time.

 

And more ASUS news.....

 

ASUS updates its boards with the new microcodes: better performance of the Intel Core Ultra 200S and correction of the TRCD in the AMD Ryzen 7000

 

Of course, you have to go to the forums to see how fed up some users are with the brand, or, we don't know to what extent, with Intel and AMD. And that is the main problem, where is the responsibility of the brand that makes the motherboards and where is it of the CPU, platform and microcode manufacturer? Users see a very slight downgrade with the microcode upgrade on ASUS motherboards for Intel Core Ultra 200S.

 

Regarding Intel... They continue offer pump out new meaningless processor upgrades... 

Core Ultra 5 225F barely outperforms Core i5-13600 in Geekbench — low-end Ultra 5 chip comes with six P-core and four E-cores

 

Intel could manufacture the Apple A20 SoCs that will power the iPhone 18 in 2026

Yup. Intel prefer continue make phone processors and low end graphics cards.... Sad. Or better say....

 

[Mr. Fox]

10 hours ago, Papusan said:

Yup. Intel prefer continue make phone processors and low end graphics cards.... Sad. Or better say....

 

Pathetic, indeed. That is also a fitting description of the human beings that gave place to that and created the opportunity. We can attribute many of the things that are wrong with the world we live in to these stupid, sick, depraved losers that thrive on that kind of trash tech. Bottom-feeders like that are why we can't have nice things. Welcome to a world where hell-bound morons obsessed with the AI fairytale decide for everyone what matters most. 

[cylix]

@Papusan how about this from our green "friends" 🤣

Quote

GeForce RTX 5070 specs reveal fewer CUDA Cores than RTX 4070 SUPER, 40% less than RTX 5070 Ti

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/101829/geforce-rtx-5070-specs-reveal-fewer-cuda-cores-than-4070-super-40-less-ti/index.html

 

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/101829/geforce-rtx-5070-specs-reveal-fewer-cuda-cores-than-4070-super-40-less-ti/index.html

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, cylix said:

@Papusan how about this from our green "friends" 🤣

 

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/101829/geforce-rtx-5070-specs-reveal-fewer-cuda-cores-than-4070-super-40-less-ti/index.html

 

Sad. They make headroom for future Super and TI Super cards upgrades. Disgusting. You'll get yesterday's performance uplift as the next new and shiny a year after. The performance uptick with later Super cards could have been delivered from day one. Not as an stupid refresh re-hash a year later. Same as Microsoft... They neeed to deliver something "new" every damn year. Let the people get the performance expected from the arch upgrade now. Not after a year.

 

Maybe Nvidia make the RTX 5070 cheaper to try compete with AMD's re-hash and Intel's coming Battlemage graphics cards. None can compete with Nvidia on performance so rather swap over to try compete on prices with lower speced hardware.

 

Edit. From the TT article.... The current GeForce RTX 4070 is a powerful and capable gaming card, and the RTX 5070 might be one of the only models that will get some direct competition from AMD and Intel.

 

Then you have next gen software for fake frames. Cheaper than make better and more expensive hardware. 

 

And here we go again. Anyone remember how Nvidia made it possible for miners to eak out more from the LHR GPUs(re-enable the mining potential of GeForce RTX 30-series LHR graphics cards)? We may see Nvidia will do similar trickery for cards as 5090D for AI servers in China and some other banned countries. How stupid is U.S government if they let Nvidia come away with this? 

 

China accounts for 1/3 of the GPU market and can also help Nvidia and their partners to get higher ASP for 5090(D) series cards. 

 

GeForce RTX 5090D may retain full hardware specs of RTX 5090, unlike its predecessor

 

It's about time for US government to take of the silk gloves and make ready  the ban hammer. A real harsh fine if nvidia try circumvent the restrictions. A fine Jensen, shareholders and nvidia will never ever forget.

[Mr. Fox]

I think I am going to be done with my Ryzen memory tuning for a while. It's a bit more tedious than Intel memory tuning (which is tedious enough in its own rights, LOL). Anyone that wants to give these settings a go with their AM5 DDR5 setup, feel free... @jaybee83 @cylix @Raiderman. This was good enough that I wrote the settings to my memory module user profile space. The screenshots show BIOS pages where anything was changed from default. The water cooling is certainly working well. After lots of stress testing the RAM temps have maxed out like 38°C.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

On 11/27/2024 at 3:17 PM, Mr. Fox said:

I went ahead and ordered a Taichi on NewEgg today. I

The BIOS features do appear to be better and in this video it boots Intel XMP 8400 2x24GB G.SKILL with no issues. UNTIL he downgrades to a newer BIOS. (Newer is always better newer,) I'll leave it on 3.04 when I get it.

[tps3443]

I have the beast cooler setup in

the new house. Working great. Need to add a little more water though, only got about 2-3 gallons in the tank. I have 30,000ML of Koolance fluid that I got on sale, I plan to flush and add that. 
 

This setup works better than ever though. Cools the water down to 59F in no time, and holds it there in between cycles and PC loads. How the office is laid out there’s only 3.5 walls, so warm air is blown out of the room down the hall way in to the rest of the house. This way the room is not heated, and you can’t tell a difference in air temp. (It’s Impossible to run a chiller long term in a small closed room) 
 

 

[Clamibot]

300 Hz glossy perfection:

 

 

Bleh matte layer I peeled off:

 

 

This stupid piece of plastic ruins every screen I lay my eyes on that has it. Glossy forever baby!

 

I got a 300 Hz screen for my X170. Since there are no glossy screen options, I had to take matters into my own hands and glossify it since I absolutely detest matte screens. This came out well just like when I did it on my current 144 Hz screen. It's good to know this mod still works on laptop panels as I know on some of the newer desktop ultrawide panels, the matte anti glare layer is stupidly infused into the polarizer layer istead of being a separate layer.

[tps3443]

3 hours ago, Clamibot said:

300 Hz glossy perfection:

 

 

Bleh matte layer I peeled off:

 

 

This stupid piece of plastic ruins every screen I lay my eyes on that has it. Glossy forever baby!

 

I got a 300 Hz screen for my X170. Since there are no glossy screen options, I had to take matters into my own hands and glossify it since I absolutely detest matte screens. This came out well just like when I did it on my current 144 Hz screen. It's good to know this mod still works on laptop panels as I know on some of the newer desktop ultrawide panels, the matte anti glare layer is stupidly infused into the polarizer layer istead of being a separate layer.

I love glossy screens. Glare is really overrated on a glossy screen. The oddest thing is that glare is actually worse on a matte panel because it is amplifying the light and spreads it out to a larger surface than on glossy screen would reflecting only the item or light source. All of our phones use a glossy panel, and reflections are not an issue at all. But not just that, the colors look so much better on a glossy panel! My Aorus FO48U is 48" Glossy OLED and it looks wicked there are many times where I feel like the colors are right there and nothing separates the games graphics. Many of the monitors I see for sale today are matte which really limit the options. I am not sure what started whole matte obsession lol. Phones are not matte, and most TVs are not matte either. 

[Clamibot]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I love glossy screens. Glare is really overrated on a glossy screen. The oddest thing is that glare is actually worse on a matte panel because it is amplifying the light and spreads it out to a larger surface than on glossy screen would reflecting only the item or light source. All of our phones use a glossy panel, and reflections are not an issue at all. But not just that, the colors look so much better on a glossy panel! My Aorus FO48U is 48" Glossy OLED and it looks wicked there are many times where I feel like the colors are right there and nothing separates the games graphics. Many of the monitors I see for sale today are matte which really limit the options. I am not sure what started whole matte obsession lol. Phones are not matte, and most TVs are not matte either. 

 

Yeah I don't get it either. Matte screens are unreadable under intense light sources because the diffusion of light across the screen from the matte anti glare just makes the screen blurry. At least on a glossy screen, even with glare, it's still sharp, so you can read whatever parts you can still see.

[chew]

On 11/9/2024 at 1:52 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Maybe Brother @chew can give us some pointers. My latency is lower than that but still very high. This seems a whole lot more convoluted that what I am used to. I think all the sliders and knobs have to be just right or it behaves badly, LOL. I getting closer to finding out where the sliders and knobs belong. Little by little.

 

I think I am going to test my TeamGroup Xtreme 8200 48GB kit on this. No idea why the motherboard will not even try to boot with the G.SKILL 8000 48GB kit. It doesn't even try to boot. Just stops abruptly after about 1 second with Q-code 15 and CPU and RAM LEDs on.

 

 

well there's 2 templates for AMD. well actually 3 baselines.

 

Better off running A and M operation is dimm or board support dependent with agesa and board. Early in beta testing M would not even post.....

 

A and M.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[chew]

your typical 2 dpc boards are going to look more like this