*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

Doing some fclk testing and usually I drop down to ~5200, but decided to stick to 6000.

 

2200 pass TM5, but 2233 = Debug Fatal Error atm. This is still on iGPU. I won't get a chance to slap in the 4070 Super for a few days. Return ETA for the 4070 Super end of January.

 

 

Think I'm going to start dialing in those Crucial sticks at 2133/6400 sweet spot which is where I will most likely end up for the final gaming mode for now so I can get some WoW testing in before I have to return the 4080 Super and wait to snag a 5090 or 5070/9070XT.

 

I also think it is safe to cancel that other 9800X3D order on Amazon that will ship next later next week. The odds of scoring a better 9800X3D are slim to none methinks.

 

[Mr. Fox]

12 P-cores (if they overclock well) with hyperthreading might be a 14900KS upgrade. But, 14 or 16 hyperthreaded P-cores would have been even better. https://www.techpowerup.com/331041/intel-bartlett-lake-appears-as-a-p-e-core-hybrid-p-core-only-cpus-could-soon-follow

 

The X870E Carbon is all boxed up and label affixed to head back for refund. X670E Gene mysteriously went from today originally, to Friday with no tracking updates or movement of the package for 4 days, to sudddenly at my local post office and out for delivery today. Weird.

[Mr. Fox]

It's nice to see that ExtremeHW is not going to shut down. A couple of existing forum members took it over right before it was about to go offline.

 

https://extremehw.net/topic/3960-new-site-owners/

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

12 P-cores (if they overclock well) with hyperthreading might be a 14900KS upgrade. But, 14 or 16 hyperthreaded P-cores would have been even better. https://www.techpowerup.com/331041/intel-bartlett-lake-appears-as-a-p-e-core-hybrid-p-core-only-cpus-could-soon-follow

 *rumors suggest Intel might consider backporting Lion Cove architecture to the platform*. Does this mean trash P-cores as for Arrow lake? 

 

Aka follow same trend......

Nvidia's RTX 5070 laptops give me little hope for desktop RTX 5060s

The disappointing specs for RTX 5070 laptops may spell trouble for desktop RTX 5060 GPUs.

 

On 1/11/2025 at 2:42 AM, Papusan said:

Btw. I hope Trump  have the balls to  stop Nvidia....

 

Will Trump open up for helping China with AI computers. Making Nvidia happy? And Trump already leffling with allow TikTok in USA. So everything is possible when big money is involved. 

 

We all know China will pick up everything and everywhere of western tech if it's benefits them. And they will use all the power they have to get it. A harsh ban is mandatory. And cannot be negotiated. Full ban. 

Nvidia blasts Biden’s new AI restrictions as ‘misguided’ – GPU giant praises Trump’s hands-off approach to tech industry

[win32asmguy]

10 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I had bandied about the idea of maybe getting a 7950HX3D laptop, but the X3D chunk on the desktop drove me away. I'll be curious to see if the 9950HX3D is any better but I am sure I'll get my own data sets in a few days when I start testing the 4070 Super on the 9800X3D here.

 

Last trip I took, I used the NH55 w/ settings dialed down to 7 and it was silky smooth so that was good enough for me in the moment. I still wouldn't say no to a proper 18" behemoth though.

 

I do think the Raider A18 is better than the other 18 inch options and the pricing was much more sane than the Titan 18 while also being better equipped for gaming than the Intel Raider or Titan 18. It could probably be perfectly fine at Ultra 10 with RT in WoW.

[Mr. Fox]

This might be relevant to X3D stutters, chunks and dips. We get used to running monitoring software like MSI AB and HWiNFO64 and sometimes forget about things we already knew. Need to disable power monitoring in AB if enabled. Maybe the lower X3D core count contributes to it.

 

 

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

12 P-cores (if they overclock well) with hyperthreading might be a 14900KS upgrade. But, 14 or 16 hyperthreaded P-cores would have been even better. https://www.techpowerup.com/331041/intel-bartlett-lake-appears-as-a-p-e-core-hybrid-p-core-only-cpus-could-soon-follow

 

The X870E Carbon is all boxed up and label affixed to head back for refund. X670E Gene mysteriously went from today originally, to Friday with no tracking updates or movement of the package for 4 days, to sudddenly at my local post office and out for delivery today. Weird.

 

I would LOVE a 12 P-core only CPU for my Z790i lightning....

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

This might be relevant to X3D stutters, chunks and dips. We get used to running monitoring software like MSI AB and HWiNFO64 and sometimes forget about things we already knew. Need to disable power monitoring in AB if enabled. Maybe the lower X3D core count contributes to it.

 

 

 

I watched this a few days ago and while it might be a problem it isn't the reason for the dip/chunk unfortunately. I was hoping he had some insight, but it is just afterburner power monitoring that is causing a problem whereas the problem I experienced on the 7800X3D/7950X3D was all on its own without any software running. 😞

 

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As for testing these Crucials, I know a proper trefi is a no go on them with these insanely cheap heatsinks. as soon as they hit ~60c+, they error out even at 32767. Pity as 65535 knocked off a nice ~5ns-6ns. 😞

 

I wish these companies made heatsinks like Teamgroup. Those things are monsters!

 

 

 

[johnksss]

On 1/8/2025 at 3:30 PM, Mr. Fox said:

I may sell one of my 4090s and buy fifteen RX 590 at $100 each. (Yes, I am being facetious.)

 

I haven't decided if I am going to consider a 5090. The idea of having something more powerful than a 4090 is compelling because of my fetish. Saying no to it will require a degree of restraint and level-headed thought. I am starting to feel like this hobby is no longer worth pursuing. I often feel like all I am doing is being complicit with (and bamboozled by) part manufacturers and their ludicrous over-the-top cash grabs for overpriced enthusiast-focused products that actually suck at overclocking. If my primary goal is overclocked benching and these new parts don't have any mojo to spare then the joke is on me. At least it is starting to feel that way.

 

The idea that a 4090, much less a 5090, is "needed" for gaming is kind of asinine. The fact that much weaker and far less expensive GPUs comprise the vast majority of what is being sold for gaming will ensure that "need" for $2,000 video cards among gamers does not, and will not, exist for the foreseeable future. As much as NVIDIA might like the idea, game developers are not going to burn a lot of calories producing games that require that their customers spend $2,000 on a GPU capable of running it smoothly with respectable framerates. The game developers are going to focus on producing games that are playable and enjoyable on affordable computer systems since that is what most of their customers own.

I threw out the sarcasm about the RX 590 only because I bought a brand new one to upgrade the legacy build I gave to my son-in-law with the X79 Gene and GTX Titan Black. Both of my teenage grand daughters are gamers and that antique Titan isn't getting the job done for them. I tested the $99 RX 590 8GB GPU in my Z90i Edge system (still in it at the moment) and it is a substantial upgrade over the generationally insanely expensive and supreme Titan for a measley $99. As I played some BF2042 and Crysis 3 Remastered at 1080p and medium settings with 75-100 FPS I was impressed with what a cost-effective entry point it is for a gamerboy (or gamergirl in their case). Nothing to write home about. But, insanely easy on the wallet that will give them a lot more enjoyment than the comparatively slow Titan that is on its last leg for driver support.

 

$99 for a ~35% performance uplift feels like a nice gift. If they want something better they can buy their own GPU, LOL.

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/32045608/fs/32754644

 

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/sd/6476802/sd/6502319

 

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/16365577/3dm11/16525382

4090 is not needed to game on realistic settings.

"Rant"

It's more about the bragging factor when I see people actually talking about it. And as mentioned before, their KD's usually sucks. Kind of a reality for most because of showboating and not really having the skills to back up owning a high end card. No amount of a gazillion frames is going to help that person get better. You will get respect for owning one, but if you are trash.... Then the jokes will flow.

"End Rant"

On 1/9/2025 at 3:54 AM, Mr. Fox said:

Do we actually know for certain there is going to be a K|NGP|N model, or just hope that Vince will save us from the sucky trash card hell tomorrow is almost certain to bring? If I am remembering correctly, Vince was in talks with PNY? Or was it Zotac? I do not remember hearing if that was ever solidified or became official.

 

For less than $100, can't hate this... one 6-pin power connector. I wish it was not white, but whatever.

We do not know for sure or at least until January 30th when all the NDA's for general public expire, but he was looking into to PNY, which Microcenter usually carries.

 

 

I so wish I would have went, but my mother took ill so I didn't make it, but I sure as hell would have done like I did the last time I went and that is tried to benchmark these new GPU's on the spot. To see for myself and get a real world perspective.

[jaybee83]

nice, looks like well have a full 6 days to read up on reviews and decide on which card to get, 5090 reviews coming up on 24-Jan!

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-reviews-go-live-january-24-rtx-5080-on-january-30

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

nice, looks like well have a full 6 days to read up on reviews and decide on which card to get, 5090 reviews coming up on 24-Jan!

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-reviews-go-live-january-24-rtx-5080-on-january-30

 

woot! Return window till Feb 1st. I can ride this 4070 Super to the wire! (wire = 28th).

 

I'm still banking on my original list but I am always open to being persuaded. 🤣

 

6 hours ago, johnksss said:

4090 is not needed to game on realistic settings.

"Rant"

It's more about the bragging factor when I see people actually talking about it. And as mentioned before, their KD's usually sucks. Kind of a reality for most because of showboating and not really having the skills to back up owning a high end card. No amount of a gazillion frames is going to help that person get better. You will get respect for owning one, but if you are trash.... Then the jokes will flow.

"End Rant"

We do not know for sure or at least until January 30th when all the NDA's for general public expire, but he was looking into to PNY, which Microcenter usually carries.

 

 

I so wish I would have went, but my mother took ill so I didn't make it, but I sure as hell would have done like I did the last time I went and that is tried to benchmark these new GPU's on the spot. To see for myself and get a real world perspective.

 

"congrats...you saw yourself get owned and teabagged at 600fps....aren't you special!"

 

---

 

Hopefully your mom is on the path to a speedy recover @johnksss 

[Reciever]

6 hours ago, johnksss said:

4090 is not needed to game on realistic settings.

"Rant"

It's more about the bragging factor when I see people actually talking about it. And as mentioned before, their KD's usually sucks. Kind of a reality for most because of showboating and not really having the skills to back up owning a high end card. No amount of a gazillion frames is going to help that person get better. You will get respect for owning one, but if you are trash.... Then the jokes will flow.

"End Rant"

We do not know for sure or at least until January 30th when all the NDA's for general public expire, but he was looking into to PNY, which Microcenter usually carries.

 

 

I so wish I would have went, but my mother took ill so I didn't make it, but I sure as hell would have done like I did the last time I went and that is tried to benchmark these new GPU's on the spot. To see for myself and get a real world perspective.

I hope your mothers health has improved! 

 

"Rant"

I felt similar, I would consider myself "Above Average" in FPS and a bit better in strategy. Its why I enjoyed the early days of R6 Siege, but then UBI geared it towards E-Sports and I always lose out to competent twitchy shooter types. Add in the mindless screeching from dead team mates telling me what to do, as well as UBI deleting my account for inactivity, all but killed any competitive spirit I had for the genre. 

These days I have fun with Monster Hunter and Unraid of all things. I must be getting older. 
"End Rant"



For everyone however, I would appreciate less pontification about politics. Talk tech? Sure, go ham. Speculation on what the US President is going do? keep it in a PM.

[Mr. Fox]

On 1/13/2025 at 1:16 PM, johnksss said:

We do not know for sure or at least until January 30th when all the NDA's for general public expire, but he was looking into to PNY, which Microcenter usually carries.

 

 

I so wish I would have went, but my mother took ill so I didn't make it, but I sure as hell would have done like I did the last time I went and that is tried to benchmark these new GPU's on the spot. To see for myself and get a real world perspective.

Sorry to hear your mama wasn't well. I pray that she gets back on her feet swiftly if she hasn't already.

 

If Vince's deal goes through with PNY and they release a K|NGP|N card I will probably buy one if for no other reason than to show support for Vince. I suspect the powers-that-be at the BOT will mandate turning on ECC and ruining benchmark scores for everyone outside the inner circle, so it will be purely for vanity and for Vince if I do.

 

Brother @Papusan has had the right idea all along for benching. (I know it was you're idea, but he's gone wild with it, LOL.) Just buy old crap GPUs and bench the snot out of them and take all of the gold away from those who once held high scores with now antique motherboards, CPUs and memory. No need to worry about them taking it back because most of them don't own those old GPUs anymore. Keep what you kill.

[Mr. Fox]

Well, the Carbon is on its way back for a refund and the Gene is ready for business. 

I don't know much about Ryzen SP ratings, but I think this might be fairly average. It's really too bad this CPU can't boot with 2200 FCLK. Maxes out at 2167. God-bin Ryzen CPUs must be very rare or nobody is binning Ryzen CPUs, keeping the best one and selling the "almost as awesome" leftovers like the Intel enthusiasts do.

  

On 1/13/2025 at 1:42 AM, electrosoft said:

Doing some fclk testing and usually I drop down to ~5200, but decided to stick to 6000.

 

2200 pass TM5, but 2233 = Debug Fatal Error atm. This is still on iGPU. I won't get a chance to slap in the 4070 Super for a few days. Return ETA for the 4070 Super end of January.

 

 

Think I'm going to start dialing in those Crucial sticks at 2133/6400 sweet spot which is where I will most likely end up for the final gaming mode for now so I can get some WoW testing in before I have to return the 4080 Super and wait to snag a 5090 or 5070/9070XT.

 

I also think it is safe to cancel that other 9800X3D order on Amazon that will ship next later next week. The odds of scoring a better 9800X3D are slim to none methinks.

Based on the frequency evident in screenshots, it seems like 2200+ FCLK is either a lot less stressful or challenging for a single CCD processor with half as many cores/threads. Which would seem logical as well.

[electrosoft]

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, the Carbon is on its way back for a refund and the Gene is ready for business. 

I don't know much about Ryzen SP ratings, but I think this might be fairly average. It's really too bad this CPU can't boot with 2200 FCLK. Maxes out at 2167. God-bin Ryzen CPUs must be very rare or nobody is binning Ryzen CPUs, keeping the best one and selling the "almost as awesome" leftovers like the Intel enthusiasts do.

  

Based on the frequency evident in screenshots, it seems like 2200+ FCLK is either a lot less stressful or challenging for a single CCD processor with half as many cores/threads. Which would seem logical as well.

 

Unless SP ranges have changed (which they may have), that's a really decent SP score for a 9950x.

 

That's exactly what enthusiasts are doing ala Intel. They are binning for IMCs first and SP ratings second. That was my objective before even cracking the boxes on both 9800X3D and had the Amazon 9800X3D on order as a backup to test but I see 9800X3D supply is now catching up with demand.

 

As for better fclk on single ccd, whew, tell that too my 7800X3D and 9800X3D! 🙂 My 7950X3D was the best of the three for fclk...but on average you may be right.

 

My 7800X3D before could only do 2067 and could only do 6200 1:1 and my 7950X3D topped out at 2100 and topped out at 6200 1:1 also.

 

My 7600x could do 2200and hit 6400. 6600 wouldn't post.

 

First 9800X3D topped out at 2000 and couldn't do greater than 5200 stable. It was clearly a POS tested on 2x motherboards. It was an SP113 and it was pure garbage.

 

This SP112 9800X3D so far has done 2133/6400 stable on pure auto settings and 2200 stable. Fatal Error on 2233 but 2200 is golden status and 2233 is unicorn status and would require an even more unicorn 6800 1:1 so I have 2133/6400 and I'm gunning for 2200/6600. This crucial memory is garbage for any type of decent OC. There is no headroom anywhere without it borking on TM5.

 

In Crucial's defense, it performs EXACTLY as advertised stock no problem but it is a sub $100 USD kit sent for free eval so it becomes my new baseline testing kit that sits in the drawer. For it's price and placement I wasn't expecting anything meaningful for OC and I was not disappointed.

 

I'm going to give the G.Skill 2x24GB 6400 kit that was part of this combo deal a whirl next but eventually my TG 8200 xtreem sticks will make their way over for some extended testing but I need my main rig now while I dial in the 9800X3D.

 

 

[electrosoft]

Looking like as predicted about a ~33% uplift from 4090 to 5090 and ~15% from 4080 to 5080 which would be about ~11-12% for the 4080 Super to the 5080.

 

Rest of the comparisons are normal variants (non supers) vs 5000 series and if that is the case, the uplift, especially the 4070 Super to 5070 is going to be abysmal.

 

If I had not sold my 4090 at this point, I might have held onto it. This will definitely NOT be a generational shock and awe like the 4090 over the 3090 but still 33% is nothing to scoff at.....

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-official-geforce-rtx-50-vs-rtx-40-benchmarks-15-to-33-performance-uplift-without-dlss-multi-frame-generation

 

 

 

[win32asmguy]

6 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Looking like as predicted about a ~33% uplift from 4090 to 5090 and ~15% from 4080 to 5080 which would be about ~11-12% for the 4080 Super to the 5080.

 

Rest of the comparisons are normal variants (non supers) vs 5000 series and if that is the case, the uplift, especially the 4070 Super to 5070 is going to be abysmal.

 

If I had not sold my 4090 at this point, I might have held onto it. This will definitely NOT be a generational shock and awe like the 4090 over the 3090 but still 33% is nothing to scoff at.....

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-official-geforce-rtx-50-vs-rtx-40-benchmarks-15-to-33-performance-uplift-without-dlss-multi-frame-generation

 

 

Nice to see some numbers. I guess going from 4080 Super to 5090 would still be a decent boost but I think my cutoff for return is actually Jan 26th so I will have to decide if I will gamble on finding any card that would be an upgrade.

 

Your testing of the 5800X3D got me interested in the 7945HX3D again. Pushed it to 6200 MCLK + UCLK / 2066 FCLK this morning which passed TM5. 6400 / 2133 would not boot. I need to find a zen4 tuning guide so I can figure out where to start with tuning that. The Kingston Fury 2x16 Hynix kit seems to select functional timings from the start but they are much worse than the same kits on desktop. It seems like VDD / VDDQ also cannot be adjusted from 1.1v on this platform either so that may be a limiter.

[electrosoft]

2 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Nice to see some numbers. I guess going from 4080 Super to 5090 would still be a decent boost but I think my cutoff for return is actually Jan 26th so I will have to decide if I will gamble on finding any card that would be an upgrade.

 

Your testing of the 5800X3D got me interested in the 7945HX3D again. Pushed it to 6200 MCLK + UCLK / 2066 FCLK this morning which passed TM5. 6400 / 2133 would not boot. I need to find a zen4 tuning guide so I can figure out where to start with tuning that. The Kingston Fury 2x16 Hynix kit seems to select functional timings from the start but they are much worse than the same kits on desktop. It seems like VDD / VDDQ also cannot be adjusted from 1.1v on this platform either so that may be a limiter.

 

4080 Super to even 4090 is a good boost, so extending that another 33% would make it a monster boost.

 

Which laptop are you using for testing? VDD/VDDQ being limited to 1.1v will definitely keep you capped. Oddly (maybe this is just me), but I tend to focus more on secondary timings for AM5 than primary but both are important. I start with Trefi (due to heat and sensitivity) and work my way through secondary first. why? Dunno. I take things in swaths usually three settings at a time when able unless things work synergistically with each other like a few timings do. You can start with the traditional approach and it still works too for AM5.

 

Before anything, I always keep my timings as loose as possible, pump up SA/SOC and see where the IMCs can go on both Intel and AMD. Find what is stable the most, then shave off voltage where able. Somewhere I end up striking a compromise which is usually a little less on the IMC/memory and tighter timings as a trade off. I am pushing for 2200/6600 but realistically, I know I'm going to end up at 2133/6400 1:1 on the 9800X3D. I was able to get the 14900KS running at 8600, but I settled for 8200 and much better timings with the TG 8200 sticks.

 

As for WoW....

 

I've started some preliminary testing on the 4070 Super with these Crucial POS sticks as a baseline before I jettison them for the 48GB kit included and eventually the TG kit but Flight runs are basically capped to 99%+ because the 4070 Super just doesn't have the juice to keep up with the 14900KS or 9800X3D at all. I'm going to try some raids next but if I want to run some meaningful tests at 4k Ultra 10 RT on to get some meaningful separation, I'm going to need a 4090 again (no?) or a 5090 (yes?) 🙂

 

I will hesitantly give the 9800X3D some props because those "hitches" (dips) I would sporadically hit on FP runs on the 7800X3D/7950X3D were gone but I won't really know till I hit it with raids/PvP where they were nails on a chalk board.

 

Make sure to give Orta a whirl out on AK this week to compare 4k Ultra 10 RT on to collect some data.

 

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Rest of the comparisons are normal variants (non supers) vs 5000 series and if that is the case, the uplift, especially the 4070 Super to 5070 is going to be abysmal.

 

If I had not sold my 4090 at this point, I might have held onto it. This will definitely NOT be a generational shock and awe like the 4090 over the 3090 but still 33% is nothing to scoff at.....

 

Yep, more cores cost money. Same for vram. Also this gen the flagship card got slight better love than the lower end SKUs. But only because of the $400 price increase. 

 

 

The perfect fix for vram castrated cards from 4000 series. Nvidia know how to make profits. Oh'well.  The bus castrated 8GB cards will still have some life. But the 3000 series cards are ready for the trash bin.

 

NVIDIA Will Update DLSS 3 for RTX 40 Series with Improved Frame Generation Performance

 

GPUs with more than 12GB of video memory may not notice a big change, but machines with less memory will benefit from the reduction in memory use and higher frame rates. The update allows for maintaining high graphic settings without overloading the system’s memory, preventing severe slowdowns

[Mr. Fox]

21 minutes ago, Papusan said:

The update allows for maintaining high graphic settings without overloading the system’s memory, preventing severe slowdowns

I can't say that playing a game has ever once overloaded my system memory or caused a "severe slowdown" but maybe they meant to say graphics memory.

 

Regardless whether someone takes a position that "fake frames" are bad or beneficial, there is no escaping the benefit DLSS offers if it can make a gaming experience better for a weak GPU that wouldn't play well without the added help. I could see it saving some people of the necessity and cost of a GPU upgrade.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Regardless whether someone takes a position that "fake frames" are bad or beneficial, there is no escaping the benefit DLSS offers if it can make a gaming experience better for a weak GPU that wouldn't play well without the added help. I could see it saving some people of the necessity and cost of a GPU upgrade.

 

I wonder how hwbot shall handle fake frame benchmarks. They will come. 

 

Because newer is always better.

 

Intel fails to raise its head with its Core Ultra 200S CPUs: FPS losses after the wave of patches and firmware, where is the promised performance?

This is yet another demonstration that what was seen at CES 2025 is just an attempt to dress up a product, the Core Ultra 200S, which present FPS losses compared to the Core 14 that are impossible for the blues to overcome, not even with overclocking and increased consumption.

 

Quote

More from modern days

 

Gone is the old days with 1080Ti with 50-100$ extra for the better custom cards. Yup.... Newer has to be better.

 

NVIDIA takes custom RTX 5080 binning to the next level: they will have a price difference never seen before with up to 400 euros between models

 

And Zotac is so kind give you 25W more for the more expensive custom cards. Isn't it fantastic? The only thing we need now from Nvidia is a proper signing key to stop cross-flashing.

ZOTAC RTX 5090 AMP Extreme INFINITY: this is the first custom graphics card to reach 600W as standard

[jaybee83]

59 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

I wonder how hwbot shall handle fake frame benchmarks. They will come. 

 

Because newer is always better.

 

Intel fails to raise its head with its Core Ultra 200S CPUs: FPS losses after the wave of patches and firmware, where is the promised performance?

This is yet another demonstration that what was seen at CES 2025 is just an attempt to dress up a product, the Core Ultra 200S, which present FPS losses compared to the Core 14 that are impossible for the blues to overcome, not even with overclocking and increased consumption.

 

 

Gone is the old days with 1080Ti with 50-100$ extra for the better custom cards. Yup.... Newer has to be better.

 

NVIDIA takes custom RTX 5080 binning to the next level: they will have a price difference never seen before with up to 400 euros between models

 

And Zotac is so kind give you 25W more for the more expensive custom cards. Isn't it fantastic? The only thing we need now from Nvidia is a proper signing key to stop cross-flashing.

ZOTAC RTX 5090 AMP Extreme INFINITY: this is the first custom graphics card to reach 600W as standard

 

pshhh dont give them ideas.... 😉 

[win32asmguy]

5 hours ago, electrosoft said:

4080 Super to even 4090 is a good boost, so extending that another 33% would make it a monster boost.

 

Which laptop are you using for testing? VDD/VDDQ being limited to 1.1v will definitely keep you capped. Oddly (maybe this is just me), but I tend to focus more on secondary timings for AM5 than primary but both are important. I start with Trefi (due to heat and sensitivity) and work my way through secondary first. why? Dunno. I take things in swaths usually three settings at a time when able unless things work synergistically with each other like a few timings do. You can start with the traditional approach and it still works too for AM5.

 

Before anything, I always keep my timings as loose as possible, pump up SA/SOC and see where the IMCs can go on both Intel and AMD. Find what is stable the most, then shave off voltage where able. Somewhere I end up striking a compromise which is usually a little less on the IMC/memory and tighter timings as a trade off. I am pushing for 2200/6600 but realistically, I know I'm going to end up at 2133/6400 1:1 on the 9800X3D. I was able to get the 14900KS running at 8600, but I settled for 8200 and much better timings with the TG 8200 sticks.

 

As for WoW....

 

I've started some preliminary testing on the 4070 Super with these Crucial POS sticks as a baseline before I jettison them for the 48GB kit included and eventually the TG kit but Flight runs are basically capped to 99%+ because the 4070 Super just doesn't have the juice to keep up with the 14900KS or 9800X3D at all. I'm going to try some raids next but if I want to run some meaningful tests at 4k Ultra 10 RT on to get some meaningful separation, I'm going to need a 4090 again (no?) or a 5090 (yes?) 🙂

 

I will hesitantly give the 9800X3D some props because those "hitches" (dips) I would sporadically hit on FP runs on the 7800X3D/7950X3D were gone but I won't really know till I hit it with raids/PvP where they were nails on a chalk board.

 

Make sure to give Orta a whirl out on AK this week to compare 4k Ultra 10 RT on to collect some data.

 

This is the MSI Raider 18. Its 1DPC just like all of their models this year so it should do better with memory tuning if I put in the time.

 

The OEM SK Hynix kit has very loose timings, CL50 at 6200. I should probably switch over to the better 2x16 Kingston Fury 5600 CL40 kit before starting. I also have their 6400 CL38 XMP kit but it may not offer any advantage here if voltage cannot be adjusted.

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

I wonder how hwbot shall handle fake frame benchmarks. They will come. 

It is actually humorous that I almost made a comment that exactly that would happen and I changed my mind because it is logical speculation and I did not want to seem overly negative. I am actually surprised it hasn't already happened. It would likely have a similar effect to using NVIDIA Inspector for the LOD mod.

[tps3443]

I got my funds ready for 5090 day. I should have enough for a top AIB model + taxes. (Fingers crossed) 

 

Looks like the 5090 will be at least 35% faster than a 4090. I’m surprised it’s only that much. Goes to show how strong the 4090 really is! 
 

The one thing I am wondering is how the RTX 5080 will perform. I just can’t see it beating a 4090 or even matching one. No way…. Unless I’m crazy here, it’s just the gaps between 4080 Super and 4090 are absolutely MASSIVE. Unless the 5090 is even faster than we think. 🤔 I don’t know how a 5080 is going to fill that distance. 

[Papusan]

30 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It is actually humorous that I almost made a comment that exactly that would happen and I changed my mind because it is logical speculation and I did not want to seem overly negative. I am actually surprised it hasn't already happened. It would likely have a similar effect to using NVIDIA Inspector for the LOD mod.

 

The best way is to avoid the AI and fake frame upscaling if this come as benchmark software... 5000 series GPU

 

30 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I got my funds ready for 5090 day. I should have enough for a top AIB model + taxes. (Fingers crossed) 

 

Looks like the 5090 will be at least 35% faster than a 4090. 
 

The one thing I am wondering is how the RTX 5080 will perform. I just can’t see it beating a 4090 or even matching one. No way…. Unless I’m crazy, it’s just the gaps between 4080 Super and 4090 are absolutely MASSIVE. Unless the 5090 is even faster than we think. 🤔 

 

If  you use the fake frame features all time.... 5080 should be good enough for most gamers. But the 16GB vram limit isn't nice. Should have been minimum 20GB. The 5080 reminds me all too  much about the 3080@10GB stupidity.