*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

48 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

After der8uer's video, I actually spent time hunting down YT videos of the card in action and even before the vBIOS update, it wasn't bad at all.

 

Nobody complains in the forums about it either.

 

I actually put headphones on to really listen and the overall sound profile of the Astral is better than half the cards I've owned in the past easily.

 

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But having owned your LC for a bit now, are you overall happy with it or are you going to return it?

 

 

 

 

Yes, everyone talks nice about their baby. That's normal🙂 

Astral OC 5090 - 4th fan sounds almost like a saw

 

I haven't had much time with the card. But I'll probably keep it. Still sad seeing Asus isn't close to Galax regarding offer the premium experience for their flagship. Galax (KFA2 for Europe market) prioritizes Asia and only offers 5090D cards. I will still prefer 5090 above the China models. So yup, I will most likely keep the card. But  it will never be a collector item (should not be this way when you know this is the best they can offer). The US ban destroyed Galax/KFA2 flagship as option for everyone outside China. It's what it is. A broken tech industri. 

 

New batch of 5090's were put up for sale today. They all sold out in no time. 

[Mr. Fox]

  

10 hours ago, Papusan said:

I really like the design. I should only wished they made a full cover back plate. I hate the spacing around the chips. Also 4090 Suprim had the cut of around the GPU. Better with fullcover backplate and thermal pad.

 

I agree. I do not like that. There are actually a lot of video cards in 30- and 40-series with that kind of backplate. I do not like it because it is ugly and because there is no reason for that part of the GPU to be exposed. It creates a point of weakness and vulnerability. I do not understand why any were ever designed that way. I am glad that my 9070 XT has a solid backplate. The only part that is not solid is the place for the third fan to blow through.

[jaybee83]

22 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Very strong possibility the issue is your sticks are crappy rather than the CPU. Out of more than a dozen returned memory kits I usually find one kit worth keeping. Also, be careful with 24GB sticks. The Apex might change things in this respect, but so far none of my Ryzen systems have played nice with 24GB modules and stability for more than RAM benchmark was never achieved. Intel eats the 24GB sticks like candy, but Ryzen chokes on them.

 

btw this comment is now making me consider buying like 5-6 kits and just keeping the best one 😄 RAM is currently quite  cheap, actually.

[Mr. Fox]

18 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

btw this comment is now making me consider buying like 5-6 kits and just keeping the best one 😄 RAM is currently quite  cheap, actually.

It seems like most all AM5 owners (including me) that have them are having the best success with G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo EXPO F5-8000J3848H16G kits. The G.Skill Trident 8000 and TeamGroup Extreme 8200 48GB XMP kits that I have are super stable on Intel but they are not totally stable on the Gene or the AORUS boards. The 16GB G.Skill 8000 Neo kits are very stable in comparison. So far I haven't seen anyone on AM5 that is getting great results with the 24GB sticks. I am hoping the Apex changes that because I have a TeamGroup Xtreem 8200 48GB kit I would love to be able to use in it.

[electrosoft]

8 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

whats your ETA?

 

Thursday!

 

 

[Papusan]

4th place Ungine Superposition on Hwbot and Ungine Leaderboard. Right below LN2 and XOC firmware. 

 

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/unigine_superposition_-_1080p_xtreme/rankings?cores=1&hardwareType=gpu

 

https://benchmark.unigine.com/leaderboards/superposition/1.x/1080p-extreme/single-gpu/page-1

[electrosoft]

12 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

 

Yes, everyone talks nice about their baby. That's normal🙂 

Astral OC 5090 - 4th fan sounds almost like a saw

 

I listened to it with headphones and again, I'm just not seeing all the uproar or whining especially post vBIOS update.

 

Compared to my Powercolor 7900xtx or 5700xt that is nothing. It truly isn't.

 

Maybe it needs to be heard in person? Maybe I'll pick up my shiny, new Astral on Thursday or Friday, slap it in, play some games and immediately go, "oh hell no!" and back it goes if it is that bad.

 

....OR I'll plug it in and run some tests/games and go, "People will whine and complain just about anything these days..." 🤣

 

I guess we'll see soon enough.

 

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12 hours ago, Papusan said:

I haven't had much time with the card. But I'll probably keep it. Still sad seeing Asus isn't close to Galax regarding offer the premium experience for their flagship. Galax (KFA2 for Europe market) prioritizes Asia and only offers 5090D cards. I will still prefer 5090 above the China models. So yup, I will most likely keep the card. But  it will never be a collector item (should not be this way when you know this is the best they can offer). The US ban destroyed Galax/KFA2 flagship as option for everyone outside China. It's what it is. A broken tech industri. 

 

New batch of 5090's were put up for sale today. They all sold out in no time. 

 

I was wondering especially at $3k+ that is no small bit of change.

 

You'll get no arguments from me @Papusan. Look at the crazy pricing over here.....

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

btw this comment is now making me consider buying like 5-6 kits and just keeping the best one 😄 RAM is currently quite  cheap, actually.

 

Binning is Winning especially when you're trying to push beyond factory specs (which is really all you're guaranteed).

 

 

 

[Papusan]

12 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I listened to it with headphones and again, I'm just not seeing all the uproar or whining especially post vBIOS update.

 

Compared to my Powercolor 7900xtx or 5700xt that is nothing. It truly isn't.

 

Maybe it needs to be heard in person? Maybe I'll pick up my shiny, new Astral on Thursday or Friday, slap it in, play some games and immediately go, "oh hell no!" and back it goes if it is that bad.

 

....OR I'll plug it in and run some tests/games and go, "People will whine and complain just about anything these days..." 🤣

 

I guess we'll see soon enough.

 

I'm sure it will be fine🙂 But I expect you also will see this is an awful deal for +$3000. The value you get for your money is damn bad.

 

Checked Asus US Store. Asus have finally increased the prices for the Astral LC from 3409 to $3719,99 or $350 USD🙄 Yep, the old price was too cheap. Consumers mostly avoid scalpers on market places. Now you can't avoid it anymore if you want Asus cards. 186% above MSRP😲

 

https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/graphics-cards/all-series/filter?Category=NVIDIA&Spec=354488

 

The ROG Astral 5080 starts to look damn cheap with the awful $1,649.99 price tag.

[Clamibot]

So interesting development today. I bought my mom a new laptop over the weekend since her old one was dying (had a good run though as it's 10 years old), and decided to do some tuning and benchmarking with it while setting it up for her. The Ryzen 9 HX 370 inside it is a powerhouse of a CPU when you max out the power limits. It benches higher than my 14900K, both in single core and multicore (specifically in Cinebench R15, which is the only version of that program I use for benching)! I also got rid of the windows 11 installation on it in favor of my trusty windowsxlite edition of windows 10 I really like for absolute maximum performance.

 

In short, after doing some tuning to maximize performance, the system is extremely snappy, and my mom is loving it. She snaps her fingers, the laptop is done doing what she wanted it to. I also tuned the speakers to give a sound quality boost. All in all, the Asus Vivobook S 16 is actually a pretty good laptop for general users (but bleh BGA🤣). The integrated graphics in this thing are pretty powerful too, I mean you can actually game on this thing! Even though the laptop isn't for me, since I bought it, I might as well have some benching and overclocking adventures while I'm setting the thing up. 🤣

 

However, this isn't even the most interesting part. This laptop has a really nice, glossy OLED screen, so I decided to do a side by side comparison to the screen installed in my Clevo X170SM-G. The verdict? Holy crap, my X170's screen is almost just as good as an OLED. I did not realize just how close to OLED level quality it was, which I was not expecting. So basically, rip off the stupid matte antiglare layer, increase color saturation a bit (from 50% to 70%), and now your IPS display looks like an OLED screen (yes, I modded my X170's screen by removing the matte anti glare layer, so it's a glossy IPS screen now).

 

The OLED screen on the Vivobook was kind of underwhelming when I tested it out some more. I mean, it's a super sharp 3.2K screen, but it suffers from black smearing? What? I thought OLEDs were supposed to have near instantaneous response times! It doesn't look like that's the case though as this OLED display gave me PTSD of me using my Dell S3422DWG VA panel, which has very heavy black smearing that I absolutely hate. The black smearing on the Vivobook's display isn't as bad, but it's still there, and my X170's IPS display has no black smearing whatsoever. If anything, my X170's IPS display feels much more responsive than the OLED display in the Vivobook. Granted, my X170's display is a 300 Hz display vs the 120 Hz display in the Vivobook, but OLED is supposed to have sub millisecond response times. It doesn't look that way to me at all, as sub millisecond response times should mean no black smearing.

 

So I guess OLEDs aren't the juggernaut the hype is making them out to be. Couple that with the expiration date on OLEDs, and I no longer want one. I'll just go with glossy IPS thank you very much. IPS seems superior in every metric except image quality, which it can almost match OLEDs if the IPS display is also glossy and you tune your color saturation, so good enough for me. Just goes to say, don't fall for the hype on any technology. Always do your own comparisons and testing, because sometimes the reviewers are just flat out wrong, just like how people keep saying there is no performance difference between windows 11 and windows 10. Uhh... yeah there is. I did my own benchmarking and get 20% higher framerates on windows 10, so I call BS. I'm now calling BS on the hype on OLEDs too. I'm glad I did not buy one, and now I no longer plan to buy an OLED display for my desktop. I'll just have to find an IPS display that has the matte anti glare layer glued on top of the polarizer layer instead of infused into the polarizer so I don't destroy the screen when removing the matte layer. Either that, or I'll have to find another way to glossify my Asus XG309CM monitor.

[Mr. Fox]

So, I think my next project will be to sell the Z790 Apex build before I change my mind and decide against it. I wish I could just sell the entire package preassembled with the MO-RA 360 and chiller. I'd probably keep the 4090 though. I'll probably end up having to sell it in pieces though, because there are no people that I know of locally that can appreciate the sheer wickedness such an insane beast can offer. I wish Brother @Rage Set did not live so far away. 

 

This morning I fired it up for the first time in a long time. I think 60 days or so since I turned on the three electrical outlets that power all of it. I ran an AIDA64 memory benchmark and 8600 with tight timings this monster still stomps the life out of everything else I own.

 

I am going to have to turn everything back off before I start questioning why I built two Ryzen machines and have been ignoring this one. If I start using this again I will like the AMD builds less. Just web browsing and launching applications, everything feels so much snappier and lively than I remembered. It makes the Ryzen builds seem laggy and sluggish in comparison.

 

The CPU is running crazy hot, so I am guessing the liquid metal has dried up or run off the die from it sitting idle and turned off for such a long time. (One of the unfortunate down-sides of having the motherboard vertical rather than horizontal is that gravity eventually wins. Horizontal orientation allows the die to perpetually bathe itself in a puddle of liquid metal.)

 

What's funny is it never seemed loud when it was my main rig. Now having 27 fans and 5 D5 pumps purring away seems noisy even though it's not obnoxious and it is running at a very low decibel level. It just seems loud compared to the other more pedestrian Ryzen builds that have fewer moving parts.

 

I also forgot how much cooler the 14900KS runs at an idle. Both of my 9950X CPUs idle about 12°C hotter and run hotter under load even though the 14900KS pulls a whole lot more watts than the 9950X CPUs do.

 

  

4 hours ago, Clamibot said:

So interesting development today. I bought my mom a new laptop over the weekend since her old one was dying (had a good run though as it's 10 years old), and decided to do some tuning and benchmarking with it while setting it up for her. The Ryzen 9 HX 370 inside it is a powerhouse of a CPU when you max out the power limits. It benches higher than my 14900K, both in single core and multicore (specifically in Cinebench R15, which is the only version of that program I use for benching)! I also got rid of the windows 11 installation on it in favor of my trusty windowsxlite edition of windows 10 I really like for absolute maximum performance.

 

In short, after doing some tuning to maximize performance, the system is extremely snappy, and my mom is loving it. She snaps her fingers, the laptop is done doing what she wanted it to. I also tuned the speakers to give a sound quality boost. All in all, the Asus Vivobook S 16 is actually a pretty good laptop for general users (but bleh BGA🤣). The integrated graphics in this thing are pretty powerful too, I mean you can actually game on this thing! Even though the laptop isn't for me, since I bought it, I might as well have some benching and overclocking adventures while I'm setting the thing up. 🤣

 

However, this isn't even the most interesting part. This laptop has a really nice, glossy OLED screen, so I decided to do a side by side comparison to the screen installed in my Clevo X170SM-G. The verdict? Holy crap, my X170's screen is almost just as good as an OLED. I did not realize just how close to OLED level quality it was, which I was not expecting. So basically, rip off the stupid matte antiglare layer, increase color saturation a bit (from 50% to 70%), and now your IPS display looks like an OLED screen (yes, I modded my X170's screen by removing the matte anti glare layer, so it's a glossy IPS screen now).

 

The OLED screen on the Vivobook was kind of underwhelming when I tested it out some more. I mean, it's a super sharp 3.2K screen, but it suffers from black smearing? What? I thought OLEDs were supposed to have near instantaneous response times! It doesn't look like that's the case though as this OLED display gave me PTSD of me using my Dell S3422DWG VA panel, which has very heavy black smearing that I absolutely hate. The black smearing on the Vivobook's display isn't as bad, but it's still there, and my X170's IPS display has no black smearing whatsoever. If anything, my X170's IPS display feels much more responsive than the OLED display in the Vivobook. Granted, my X170's display is a 300 Hz display vs the 120 Hz display in the Vivobook, but OLED is supposed to have sub millisecond response times. It doesn't look that way to me at all, as sub millisecond response times should mean no black smearing.

 

So I guess OLEDs aren't the juggernaut the hype is making them out to be. Couple that with the expiration date on OLEDs, and I no longer want one. I'll just go with glossy IPS thank you very much. IPS seems superior in every metric except image quality, which it can almost match OLEDs if the IPS display is also glossy and you tune your color saturation, so good enough for me. Just goes to say, don't fall for the hype on any technology. Always do your own comparisons and testing, because sometimes the reviewers are just flat out wrong, just like how people keep saying there is no performance difference between windows 11 and windows 10. Uhh... yeah there is. I did my own benchmarking and get 20% higher framerates on windows 10, so I call BS. I'm now calling BS on the hype on OLEDs too. I'm glad I did not buy one, and now I no longer plan to buy an OLED display for my desktop. I'll just have to find an IPS display that has the matte anti glare layer glued on top of the polarizer layer instead of infused into the polarizer so I don't destroy the screen when removing the matte layer. Either that, or I'll have to find another way to glossify my Asus XG309CM monitor.

 

Congrats to your mom on the new laptop. That's quite an upgrade for her. The leap in performance has to be nothing short of astronomical coming from such a tired and relatively slow 10-year old machine.

 

I agree with you on OLED. I'm kind of a weirdo sometimes when it comes to paying high prices for things that don't make a computer run faster, but OLED just doesn't impress me. Too expensive with too little to offer in return, and I'm not into having to pamper a monitor to keep it from getting screen burn. Utter nonsense IMHO. Paying a lot of money for something comparatively fragile and destined to destroy itself is illogical to me. Even if that wasn't an issue, it's not worth the extra cost. Big bucks with little bang seems to be the new world we live in now. 

  

12 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It seems like most all AM5 owners (including me) that have them are having the best success with G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo EXPO F5-8000J3848H16G kits. The G.Skill Trident 8000 and TeamGroup Extreme 8200 48GB XMP kits that I have are super stable on Intel but they are not totally stable on the Gene or the AORUS boards. The 16GB G.Skill 8000 Neo kits are very stable in comparison. So far I haven't seen anyone on AM5 that is getting great results with the 24GB sticks. I am hoping the Apex changes that because I have a TeamGroup Xtreen 8200 48GB kit I would love to be able to use in it.

Brother @jaybee83 - this one is the one I would recommend. Both of mine are solid AMD kits.

 

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-ddr5-8000/p/N82E16820374624?Item=N82E16820374624

[electrosoft]

10 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

I'm sure it will be fine🙂 But I expect you also will see this is an awful deal for +$3000. The value you get for your money is damn bad.

 

Checked Asus US Store. Asus have finally increased the prices for the Astral LC from 3409 to $3719,99 or $350 USD🙄 Yep, the old price was too cheap. Consumers mostly avoid scalpers on market places. Now you can't avoid it anymore if you want Asus cards. 186% above MSRP😲

 

https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/graphics-cards/all-series/filter?Category=NVIDIA&Spec=354488

 

The ROG Astral 5080 starts to look damn cheap with the awful $1,649.99 price tag.

 

Absolutely awful deal no doubt about it. If I don't like it, it will be going right back. I have a 60 day return window.

 

I wonder if you could have even picked up the LC on their site at the old price.....

 

Astral $1649.99 vs $999.99 = ~65% markup over MSRP

Astral $3359 vs $1999.99 =  ~68% markup over MSRP

 

Ugh....

 

10 hours ago, Clamibot said:

So interesting development today. I bought my mom a new laptop over the weekend since her old one was dying (had a good run though as it's 10 years old), and decided to do some tuning and benchmarking with it while setting it up for her. The Ryzen 9 HX 370 inside it is a powerhouse of a CPU when you max out the power limits. It benches higher than my 14900K, both in single core and multicore (specifically in Cinebench R15, which is the only version of that program I use for benching)! I also got rid of the windows 11 installation on it in favor of my trusty windowsxlite edition of windows 10 I really like for absolute maximum performance.

 

In short, after doing some tuning to maximize performance, the system is extremely snappy, and my mom is loving it. She snaps her fingers, the laptop is done doing what she wanted it to. I also tuned the speakers to give a sound quality boost. All in all, the Asus Vivobook S 16 is actually a pretty good laptop for general users (but bleh BGA🤣). The integrated graphics in this thing are pretty powerful too, I mean you can actually game on this thing! Even though the laptop isn't for me, since I bought it, I might as well have some benching and overclocking adventures while I'm setting the thing up. 🤣

 

However, this isn't even the most interesting part. This laptop has a really nice, glossy OLED screen, so I decided to do a side by side comparison to the screen installed in my Clevo X170SM-G. The verdict? Holy crap, my X170's screen is almost just as good as an OLED. I did not realize just how close to OLED level quality it was, which I was not expecting. So basically, rip off the stupid matte antiglare layer, increase color saturation a bit (from 50% to 70%), and now your IPS display looks like an OLED screen (yes, I modded my X170's screen by removing the matte anti glare layer, so it's a glossy IPS screen now).

 

The OLED screen on the Vivobook was kind of underwhelming when I tested it out some more. I mean, it's a super sharp 3.2K screen, but it suffers from black smearing? What? I thought OLEDs were supposed to have near instantaneous response times! It doesn't look like that's the case though as this OLED display gave me PTSD of me using my Dell S3422DWG VA panel, which has very heavy black smearing that I absolutely hate. The black smearing on the Vivobook's display isn't as bad, but it's still there, and my X170's IPS display has no black smearing whatsoever. If anything, my X170's IPS display feels much more responsive than the OLED display in the Vivobook. Granted, my X170's display is a 300 Hz display vs the 120 Hz display in the Vivobook, but OLED is supposed to have sub millisecond response times. It doesn't look that way to me at all, as sub millisecond response times should mean no black smearing.

 

So I guess OLEDs aren't the juggernaut the hype is making them out to be. Couple that with the expiration date on OLEDs, and I no longer want one. I'll just go with glossy IPS thank you very much. IPS seems superior in every metric except image quality, which it can almost match OLEDs if the IPS display is also glossy and you tune your color saturation, so good enough for me. Just goes to say, don't fall for the hype on any technology. Always do your own comparisons and testing, because sometimes the reviewers are just flat out wrong, just like how people keep saying there is no performance difference between windows 11 and windows 10. Uhh... yeah there is. I did my own benchmarking and get 20% higher framerates on windows 10, so I call BS. I'm now calling BS on the hype on OLEDs too. I'm glad I did not buy one, and now I no longer plan to buy an OLED display for my desktop. I'll just have to find an IPS display that has the matte anti glare layer glued on top of the polarizer layer instead of infused into the polarizer so I don't destroy the screen when removing the matte layer. Either that, or I'll have to find another way to glossify my Asus XG309CM monitor.

 

I agree.

 

While I do like my 32" Alienware OLED, I find I still prefer the picture quality of my benQ 10-bit 32" IPS display overall in every aspect but it is capped at 60hz. Everytime I'm working/tuning/building a system with it and launch some games for testing, it just re-affirms my love of its display. I might try one of BenQ's 10-bit 32" 144hz displays.

 

I have a few Asus Vivobooks here with Ultra 7 and Ultra 9 CPUs with 15.6" 1080p OLED displays and they're nice, but I always preferred the displays on my X170KM and SM along with even the P870TM I had. I thought those 144hz displays were great.

 

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

So, I think my next project will be to sell the Z790 Apex build before I change my mind and decide against it. I wish I could just sell the entire package preassembled with the MO-RA 360 and chiller. I'd probably keep the 4090 though. I'll probably end up having to sell it in pieces though, because there are no people that I know of locally that can appreciate the sheer wickedness such an insane beast can offer. I wish Brother @Rage Set did not live so far away. 

 

This morning I fired it up for the first time in a long time. I think 60 days or so since I turned on the three electrical outlets that power all of it. I ran an AIDA64 memory benchmark and 8600 with tight timings this monster still stomps the life out of everything else I own.

 

I am going to have to turn everything back off before I start questioning why I built two Ryzen machines and have been ignoring this one. If I start using this again I will like the AMD builds less. Just web browsing and launching applications, everything feels so much snappier and lively than I remembered. It makes the Ryzen builds seem laggy and sluggish in comparison.

 

The CPU is running crazy hot, so I am guessing the liquid metal has dried up or run off the die from it sitting idle and turned off for such a long time. (One of the unfortunate down-sides of having the motherboard vertical rather than horizontal is that gravity eventually wins. Horizontal orientation allows the die to perpetually bathe itself in a puddle of liquid metal.)

 

What's funny is it never seemed loud when it was my main rig. Now having 27 fans and 5 D5 pumps purring away seems noisy even though it's not obnoxious and it is running at a very low decibel level. It just seems loud compared to the other more pedestrian Ryzen builds that have fewer moving parts.

 

I also forgot how much cooler the 14900KS runs at an idle. Both of my 9950X CPUs idle about 12°C hotter and run hotter under load even though the 14900KS pulls a whole lot more watts than the 9950X CPUs do.

 

  

 

Congrats to your mom on the new laptop. That's quite an upgrade for her. The leap in performance has to be nothing short of astronomical coming from such a tired and relatively slow 10-year old machine.

 

I agree with you on OLED. I'm kind of a weirdo sometimes when it comes to paying high prices for things that don't make a computer run faster, but OLED just doesn't impress me. Too expensive with too little to offer in return, and I'm not into having to pamper a monitor to keep it from getting screen burn. Utter nonsense IMHO. Paying a lot of money for something comparatively fragile and destined to destroy itself is illogical to me. Even if that wasn't an issue, it's not worth the extra cost. Big bucks with little bang seems to be the new world we live in now. 

  

Brother @jaybee83 - this one is the one I would recommend. Both of mine are solid AMD kits.

 

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-ddr5-8000/p/N82E16820374624?Item=N82E16820374624

 

It is starting to show its age though. I moved my SP109 14900KS into the wife's system and I suspect that is where it will stay for the next 2-3 years or beyond. It's running great, boosting to 6.2 in WoW, temps under 70c and pulls under 1.4v within the Intel recommended limits coupled with a dialed in LLC and UV. Still a banger of a platform though.

 

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Like above, OLED is nice, but I find myself really preferring the picture quality and colors (after both were calibrated) of my BenQ 32" 10-bit IPS display.

 

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5090 demand is definitely leveling out at least in regards to overpaying past MSRP and scalping. Pre-builts are in stock everywhere now and combo deals are lasting a lot longer on da egg even simple combos like Gigabyte 5090+MB only.

 

But MSRP keeps creeping up......

 

MSI also looks to have raised prices across the board with the Liquid and Suprim now costing $3k+ in the US and even the damn Ventus clocking in at $2949.99.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Absolutely awful deal no doubt about it. If I don't like it, it will be going right back. I have a 60 day return window.

 

I wonder if you could have even picked up the LC on their site at the old price.....

 

Astral $1649.99 vs $999.99 = ~65% markup over MSRP

Astral $3359 vs $1999.99 =  ~68% markup over MSRP

 

Ugh....

 

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

5090 demand is definitely leveling out at least in regards to overpaying past MSRP and scalping.

 

But MSRP keeps creeping up......

 

MSI also looks to have raised prices across the board with the Liquid and Suprim now costing $3k+ in the US and even the damn Ventus clocking in at $2949.99.

 

Nvidia need to  find new ways to feed China clients with server chips as you can see. Are Nvidia now willing to use some more of the ordered TSMC wafers for Geforce gaming chips if this problems below continue? I expect they have already paid for the wafers so better make gamer cards out of it. 

 

Lets say 10% reduction in prices (due increased inventory and rebates from Nvidia)...We will still see above $3000 USD for the better Asus cards. And same from Gigabyte.

 

NVIDIA Is In Trouble Once Again; Team Green Finds It Difficult To Sell Its Newest Blackwell Ultra “GB300” Servers As Clients Show Hesitation

 

Will we ever see the better custom 5090 cards below 130% of the MSRP for 5090 ? If not then we will see +2600$ through it's whole lifespan. Custom AIB cards won't go below $2500. Nvidia could of course start compete with their partners and increase the inventory of 5090 FE cards for their global stores. Isn't increased competition what we want? Nvidia vs their partners😁

 

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

It is starting to show its age though. I moved my SP109 14900KS into the wife's system and I suspect that is where it will stay for the next 2-3 years or beyond. It's running great, boosting to 6.2 in WoW, temps under 70c and pulls under 1.4v within the Intel recommended limits coupled with a dialed in LLC and UV. Still a banger of a platform though.

 

I'm still on the old MC and bios version before the so called fix. No need for new is "always" better... @Mr. Fox

 

TWITTER user Hemu @itsHemu2K ( link ) said he had tested 0X12C, but the results were disappointing.

Hemu:

These new bioses are shit. I'll stick to x123 based BIOS 1002. The performance drop basically reduces the i9 to a different tier. I can't believe that's even a thing

https://unikoshardware.com/2025/03/intel-new-microcode-0x12c.html

 

 

Btw. Former top engineers go back to China to build up their chips industri. Everything they have learned in US will be used in their real home country. The US chips ban just won't work....

 

https://wccftech.com/ex-apple-engineer-returns-to-china-after-seven-years-to-fulfill-chipmaking-ambitions/

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

I'm still on the old MC and bios version before the so called fix. No need for new is "always" better... @Mr. Fox

 

TWITTER user Hemu @itsHemu2K ( link ) said he had tested 0X12C, but the results were disappointing.

Hemu:

These new bioses are shit. I'll stick to x123 based BIOS 1002. The performance drop basically reduces the i9 to a different tier. I can't believe that's even a thing

https://unikoshardware.com/2025/03/intel-new-microcode-0x12c.html

Yeah, no thanks. Stupidity has become the new normal. The incessant chasing of firmware and driver updates is a fool's errand. We don't have to worry about degrading chips because we tune our systems to behave properly and do not allow wild swings in voltage or opportunistic core boosting. We do not need security mitigations nearly as much as people need to stop behaving in a stupid and haphazard manner that places them in harm's way. When things operate on the assumption that everyone is stupid it ruins things for those that are not. It is the tail wagging the dog and being ruled based on the defects and incompetencies of society's lowest common denominators.

[tps3443]

Package on the way @1610ftw I may include the cat as an extra. 😂
 

 

 

[electrosoft]

51 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Package on the way @1610ftw I may include the cat as an extra. 😂
 

 

 

 

What's in the box? (In my Brad Pitt from SE7EN voice)

 

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5090 sales are definitely slowing down and everything else Nvidia is seriously slowing down.....

 

Gigabyte, Zotac and MSI combo deals on Newegg have been up all day with some even sub $3k for the Gigabyte combos still available for the $2639 Windforce and Z890 MB combo for $2939. That includes a free Star Wars Outlaws Gold Edition key (~$109 value).

 

Like I said, Pre-builts are available everywhere now for order.

 

Upper end 5070, 5070ti and 5080 (aka the stupidly overpriced versions) cards are in stock. (shipped and sold from NE only) and some on BB too.

 

The real question is with tariffs in play, will the prices remain the same (IE, MSI just raised their prices again), continue to go up or fall? What is the actual breaking point?

 

9070xt's are all out of stock atm on NE (shipped and sold from NE only) and BB.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[tps3443]

12 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

What's in the box? (In my Brad Pitt from SE7EN voice)

 

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5090 sales are definitely slowing down and everything else Nvidia is seriously slowing down.....

 

Gigabyte, Zotac and MSI combo deals on Newegg have been up all day with some even sub $3k for the Gigabyte combos still available for the $2639 Windforce and Z890 MB combo for $2939. That includes a free Star Wars Outlaws Gold Edition key (~$109 value).

 

Like I said, Pre-builts are available everywhere now for order.

 

Upper end 5070, 5070ti and 5080 (aka the stupidly overpriced versions) cards are in stock. (shipped and sold from NE only) and some on BB too.

 

The real question is with tariffs in play, will the prices remain the same (IE, MSI just raised their prices again), continue to go up or fall? What is the actual breaking point?

 

9070xt's are all out of stock atm on NE (shipped and sold from NE only) and BB.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yep, no one wants to overpay for 5090’s anymore, I’m glad too. I’ll be curious to see how the 5090 value holds up during the 2027 launch. It’s crazy how right now, buying a brand new RTX 4090 FE for $1,599 is a great deal for a 2.5 year old product (If someone could find a brand-new 4090FE). I wonder if it’ll be a similar situation in 2027 when the RTX 6090 drops. Maybe those will be $2,499 MSRP. Probably at least $2,199.99 for RTX 6090FE. 
 

There is a Golden 10900K sp106 in the box. 
 

 

[electrosoft]

16 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

 

Yep, no one wants to overpay for 5090’s anymore, I’m glad too. I’ll be curious to see how the 5090 value holds up during the 2027 launch. It’s crazy how right now, buying a brand new RTX 4090 FE for $1,599 is a great deal for a 2.5 year old product (If someone could find a brand-new 4090FE). I wonder if it’ll be a similar situation in 2027 when the RTX 6090 drops. Maybe those will be $2,499 MSRP. Probably at least $2,199.99 for RTX 6090FE. 
 

There is a Golden 10900K sp106 in the box. 
 

 

 

I'm so glad a board member picked it up especially @1610ftw. Hopefully he gives it a whirl in his X170SM-G to see how far it can flex especially compared to the SP101 I sold him that was my best sample I had including vs my golden sample like yours but your SP106 was rated higher I think than my LTX sample.

 

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And yeah, supply is trickling in steadily now but more importantly demand at those higher price points is waning fast.

 

The fact those combo deals which aren't even that bad (Sub $3k w/ a z890 Motherboard) for a gigabyte shows something is going to have to give especially for perceived "B" tier cards.

 

I'm thinking of cancelling my Astral 5090 pickup at the end of the week. I just am having problems stomaching a $3.5k 5090 purchase. I know it's an Astral and all that, but the price just seems crazy high. But on the other hand, Astrals have been binning pretty nicely overall but I know me and I'd be just as content with a $2k FE or a $2.2k PNY and keep it moving.

 

I'll continue to mull it over mentally. 🤣 I could always just play with it and see if that justifies the purchase. I do have a 60 day return window but still that isn't realistic considering I have to pay for it within 30....

 

 

 

 

 

 

[1610ftw]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I'm so glad a board member picked it up especially @1610ftw. Hopefully he gives it a whirl in his X170SM-G to see how far it can flex especially compared to the SP101 I sold him that was my best sample I had including vs my golden sample like yours but your SP106 was rated higher I think than my LTX sample.

 

I want to find out which one needs lower power indeed. Got a GT76, too that could use a better CPU so we will see where it ends up! Your 10900K will be hard to beat as it uses roughly as much or even less power with 10 cores as many 9900K use with only 8. Of course I will also check out how far it can go with 5.2 or possibly 5.3GHz, and if I can still achieve great results at around 200W and maybe up to 220W:

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/cinebench_-_r23_multi_core_with_benchmate/submissions/5619877

 

Shame that we cannot bin CPUs any more now that it is more important than ever especially for Intel.

 

[jaybee83]

18 hours ago, electrosoft said:

5090 demand is definitely leveling out at least in regards to overpaying past MSRP and scalping. Pre-builts are in stock everywhere now and combo deals are lasting a lot longer on da egg even simple combos like Gigabyte 5090+MB only.

 

But MSRP keeps creeping up......

 

MSI also looks to have raised prices across the board with the Liquid and Suprim now costing $3k+ in the US and even the damn Ventus clocking in at $2949.99.

 

 

im s eeing the same here in europe, prices keep dropping, offers keep increasing in number and stay way longer online in terms of availability. you can now easily get your hands on a base 5090 model for less than 2600 USD excl. tax. yes i know thats still 30% above FE MSRP but it is still a very good sign of improvement.

 

and LOL at those MSI MSRP prices,  according to those i paid 250€ BELOW MSRP for the Suprim 😄

[Mr. Fox]

It looks as though my X870E Apex pre-order with NewEgg is moving. The release date was changed from 4/4/2025 to 3/28/2025 and it now shows as an order with an invoice (no longer a pre-order). Tracking number not issued yet. And, now the Apex is no longer available for pre-order. I take that to mean that it is no longer a pending release but an officially released product now.

 

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

and LOL at those MSI MSRP prices,  according to those i paid 250€ BELOW MSRP for the Suprim 😄

That really needs to happen, although I would like to see prices implode even further than that. I think NVIDIA and all of the AIB partners need to suffer catastrophic financial losses for their predatory and nefarious behaviors. What we have seen is very carefully executed extortion and probably some serious anti-trust law violations and other crimes would be discovered if anyone decided to start digging deeper.

 

I wonder how many people took the route that I did, said effyew stupid morons and now NVIDIA is experiencing consumer backlash? When I saw 5090 prices I was like "oh hell no... not now, not ever" and decided I would reward AMD for being less blantantly predatory, even though I had every reason to believe I wouldn't like the 9070 XT. The only way the price gouging is ever going to get fixed is by people telling them to stuff it up their tailpipe and leave them holding the bag with product that nobody buys until it gets sold at a price equal to or less than what they need to break even.

 

What is the sudden preoccupation with FE cards? I've always hated FE cards and have never had any desire whatsoever to buy one, at least since the Kepler or Maxwell era. The design of the 3090/Ti 4090 FE cards sucked and the 5090 takes the cake for being a morphodite engineering abortion. It's made like a stinking turdbook with the stupid cards and cables, and a very anti-enthusiast design concept. I hope none of the AIB partners ever do something equally tragic with board design.

[Papusan]

10 hours ago, electrosoft said:

5090 sales are definitely slowing down and everything else Nvidia is seriously slowing down.....

 

Upper end 5070, 5070ti and 5080 (aka the stupidly overpriced versions) cards are in stock. (shipped and sold from NE only) and some on BB too.

 

The real question is with tariffs in play, will the prices remain the same (IE, MSI just raised their prices again), continue to go up or fall? What is the actual breaking point?

 

9070xt's are all out of stock atm on NE (shipped and sold from NE only) and BB.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is no 5070Ti or 9700XT here home. People want those cards due cheaper price.

 

For 5090... +34 cards available from Asus. Astral LC oc cost $3450 and the sales is low. Asus has reached the upper limits and above what people are willing to pay. No in hell I would pay more than the $3000 what I paid. Even that was too much. My best guess.... Asus  need to reduce the prices to get them out from the stores. I see the same pattern with 5080 Astral ($1690). All too expensive and they are in stock here. +15 of them. And no cards from other brands. Still the sales is low for Asus.

 

If there was cheaper cards from other brands.... I expect the more expensive options from Asus would stay in the store. Aka unsold. Having Halo products that don't move from the stores is bad publicity for the greedy company.

[Mr. Fox]

11 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

There is no 5070Ti or 9700XT here home. People want those cards due cheaper price.

 

For 5090... +34 cards available from Asus. Astral LC oc cost $3450 and the sales is low. Asus has reached the upper limits and above what people are willing to pay. No in hell I would pay more than the $3000 what I paid. Even that was too much. My best guess.... Asus  need to reduce the prices to get them out from the stores. I see the same pattern with 5080 Astral. All too expensive and they are in stock here. +15 of them. And no cards from other brands. Still the sales is low.

 

If there was cheaper cards from other brands.... I expect the more expensive options from Asus would stay in the store. Aka unsold.

I wonder if other brands not having anything for sale is because they knew the cost was more than most are willing to pay? If they were smart, that could explain it. There would be little point from a business perspective in producing a grossly overpriced product that would move slowly and have lower demand because of unacceptable pricing.

[Papusan]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I wonder if other brands not having anything for sale is because they knew the cost was more than most are willing to pay? If they were smart, that could explain it. There would be little point from a business perspective in producing a grossly overpriced product that would move slowly and have lower demand because of unacceptable pricing.

 

Better sell what they have. And for more normal prices. I expect custom cards at 1.25 x MSRP will sell out. Because there isn't any 5090 FE cards here home. Weird Asus  can push out batch after batch with cards every week. Asus have cards but sell few items to try get max profits. This won't work when all other brands have cards they can sell. Asus stands out. In a bad way.

[electrosoft]

8 hours ago, 1610ftw said:

 

I want to find out which one needs lower power indeed. Got a GT76, too that could use a better CPU so we will see where it ends up! Your 10900K will be hard to beat as it uses roughly as much or even less power with 10 cores as many 9900K use with only 8. Of course I will also check out how far it can go with 5.2 or possibly 5.3GHz, and if I can still achieve great results at around 200W and maybe up to 220W:

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/cinebench_-_r23_multi_core_with_benchmate/submissions/5619877

 

Shame that we cannot bin CPUs any more now that it is more important than ever especially for Intel.

 

 

I'm looking forward to your results! I always follow the X170 threads (along with NH55 of course) to see what new results pop up.

 

I just know when all was said and done, I tested that 10900k against many off the shelf variants and 4 specifically targeted binned chips including an SP113 I borrowed for a few days and it was still better for laptop use. It was better stock IHS than all the others including the delidded ones. It was just a great chip in the X170SM-G.

 

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

im s eeing the same here in europe, prices keep dropping, offers keep increasing in number and stay way longer online in terms of availability. you can now easily get your hands on a base 5090 model for less than 2600 USD excl. tax. yes i know thats still 30% above FE MSRP but it is still a very good sign of improvement.

 

and LOL at those MSI MSRP prices,  according to those i paid 250€ BELOW MSRP for the Suprim 😄

 

Last cash grab as the market normalizes to a degree and all the heavy hitters move out.

 

Hmmm, who was it that said everything would settle down a bit by the end of April? 🤣

 

FOMO makes people do crazy things.

 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It looks as though my X870E Apex pre-order with NewEgg is moving. The release date was changed from 4/4/2025 to 3/28/2025 and it now shows as an order with an invoice (no longer a pre-order). Tracking number not issued yet. And, now the Apex is no longer available for pre-order. I take that to mean that it is no longer a pending release but an officially released product now.

 

That really needs to happen, although I would like to see prices implode even further than that. I think NVIDIA and all of the AIB partners need to suffer catastrophic financial losses for their predatory and nefarious behaviors. What we have seen is very carefully executed extortion and probably some serious anti-trust law violations and other crimes would be discovered if anyone decided to start digging deeper.

 

I wonder how many people took the route that I did, said effyew stupid morons and now NVIDIA is experiencing consumer backlash? When I saw 5090 prices I was like "oh hell no... not now, not ever" and decided I would reward AMD for being less blantantly predatory, even though I had every reason to believe I wouldn't like the 9070 XT. The only way the price gouging is ever going to get fixed is by people telling them to stuff it up their tailpipe and leave them holding the bag with product that nobody buys until it gets sold at a price equal to or less than what they need to break even.

 

What is the sudden preoccupation with FE cards? I've always hated FE cards and have never had any desire whatsoever to buy one, at least since the Kepler or Maxwell era. The design of the 3090/Ti 4090 FE cards sucked and the 5090 takes the cake for being a morphodite engineering abortion. It's made like a stinking turdbook with the stupid cards and cables, and a very anti-enthusiast design concept. I hope none of the AIB partners ever do something equally tragic with board design.

 

Finally the Apex is arriving.

 

I think what we've seen is latching onto a very valid reason (tariffs) and using that as a means to increase prices as much as possible even beyond and trying to at least touch off of scalper prices to maximize profits with the ability to lower costs when needed.

 

I will be curious to see when sales drastically slow and prices have to come back down, how that suddenly "works" with tariffs still in play.

 

I have no problems with AIBs charging as much as they want. It is up to the consumers to say no. I know for many, even $3k-$4k still isn't much to them as they spend much MUCH more elsewhere on their hobbies and leisurely pursuits but still....

 

As for the FE, it is compact and elegant. The fact you can slap a full tilt 5090 in a SFF 2 slot design is pretty awesome. It is not for those who want to overclock but want full 5090 power out of the box that isn't ginormous. It does run warm but well within spec and doesn't throttle. It is also priced the best easily at $1999.99. I fully get why it exists but also why certain segments have no desire for it.

 

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

There is no 5070Ti or 9700XT here home. People want those cards due cheaper price.

 

For 5090... +34 cards available from Asus. Astral LC oc cost $3450 and the sales is low. Asus has reached the upper limits and above what people are willing to pay. No in hell I would pay more than the $3000 what I paid. Even that was too much. My best guess.... Asus  need to reduce the prices to get them out from the stores. I see the same pattern with 5080 Astral ($1690). All too expensive and they are in stock here. +15 of them. And no cards from other brands. Still the sales is low for Asus.

 

If there was cheaper cards from other brands.... I expect the more expensive options from Asus would stay in the store. Aka unsold. Having Halo products that don't move from the stores is bad publicity for the greedy company.

 

Yup, the early adopters with better spending/worse common sense are drying up along with a steady trickle of inventory coming in. You also have scalpers slowing down as it is past the "easy money" stage of the program.

 

47 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I wonder if other brands not having anything for sale is because they knew the cost was more than most are willing to pay? If they were smart, that could explain it. There would be little point from a business perspective in producing a grossly overpriced product that would move slowly and have lower demand because of unacceptable pricing.

 

Monitoring a few stock bots, other brands are bringing cards to the market somewhat regularly too but they are usually snapped up pretty fast (or were). The real question will be how the market and companies respond going forward.

 

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Remember the outlandish prices for 5090 laptops announced? Discounts already on MSI and Asus models. Nobody in their right mind is going to pay those prices.

 

On another note, I didn't realize MSI went with the 285HX in their Raider. I thought only the Titan was getting it so that's nice to see. Basically no real difference real world but still....

 

Unfortunately the 9950X3D variant for MSI is still sitting at $5099.99 atm, but we will see....