*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[win32asmguy]

8 hours ago, 1610ftw said:

That sounds excellent regarding the palm rest! It makes me want to check it out, this always was something I did not like at all.

 

The CPU at 30W in combined loads seems to be a very low though, aren't you CPU limited in most games with such a low power uptake?

 

Ultimately the way this is designed it seems to be a good option for people who can make use of an external GPU so that all the power budget can go to the CPU when docked.

 

Yeah the palm rest is plastic but I like the feel of it more than a metal or rubber finish.

 

In Ultra Performance mode RAPL sets PL1 to 58W, and the GPU can go up to 175W. So in theory it is designed for up to 233W sustained. However I see battery drain at 200W sustained with thermal throttling so beyond that will need lower ambients or a repaste to see if it can really go higher. The Dell TB5 dock is also supposed to supply up to 300W. I do not know if that extra is utilized or could prevent the battery drain.

 

A TB5 eGPU could work well here if it has improved the latency and bandwidth over TB4. I saw they are starting to test TB5 out over at egpu.io forums so it will be interesting to see how they do. We have both TB5 and TB4 on this machine wired to CPU PCIe lanes so its easy to compare both.

 

https://imgur.com/jxLwhNE

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/142596374?

[electrosoft]

12 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

For the lovers of Crocs it's not about looks. It's about how it feels. But I agree with Fernando in that it is better to look good than to feel good.

 

🤣

 

[1610ftw]

5 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Yeah the palm rest is plastic but I like the feel of it more than a metal or rubber finish.

 

In Ultra Performance mode RAPL sets PL1 to 58W, and the GPU can go up to 175W. So in theory it is designed for up to 233W sustained. However I see battery drain at 200W sustained with thermal throttling so beyond that will need lower ambients or a repaste to see if it can really go higher. The Dell TB5 dock is also supposed to supply up to 300W. I do not know if that extra is utilized or could prevent the battery drain.

 

A TB5 eGPU could work well here if it has improved the latency and bandwidth over TB4. I saw they are starting to test TB5 out over at egpu.io forums so it will be interesting to see how they do. We have both TB5 and TB4 on this machine wired to CPU PCIe lanes so its easy to compare both.

 

https://imgur.com/jxLwhNE

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/142596374?

 

Plastic if done well is also my preferred material for the palm rest.

 

233W is substantial but I guess that they did not really do the math on that one when the dock delivers up to 300W yet the biggest power brick is limited to 280W.

 

I am checking egpu.io every few weeks ad I would have thought that by now we would have numerous TB5 eGPU solutions but that doe not seem to be the case. In fact at least over here it is for now only the - very spartan - Razer box.

 

 

[Easa]

16 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Yeah the palm rest is plastic but I like the feel of it more than a metal or rubber finish.

 

 

The Pro Max Plus 18 has a plastic palmrest? It surely looks like a unibody aluminium chassis. 

[Papusan]

 

Nice. Yet another PSU manufacturer that mean 8 pins connectors should be removed from the PSU panel. 3 measly 8 pins connectors (incl 1 Cpu EPS connector) for their 1000W PSUs. But you get the modern tiny fire cracker, the PCIe Gen 5 connector. This is awful. 

 

Chieftec Introduces 1000 W VEGA M Series Power Supply Unit

Press Release

 

 

Here is also a new smart design choice. Engineering at it best. Trimming away 1/4 of the heatsink area to hide the PCIe Gen 5 cable show us the best coming from todays tech engineers. Why not shave of more of the heatsink finstack "so you can get a better grip around the connector" when you plug it in? 🤐

 

MSI Project Zero GPU Hides 12V-2x6 Power Connector

 

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

Nice. Yet another PSU manufacturer that mean 8 pins connectors should be removed from the PSU panel. 3 measly 8 pins connectors (incl 1 Cpu EPS connector) for their 1000W PSUs. But you get the modern tiny fire cracker, the PCIe Gen 5 connector. This is awful. 

They obvious do not care about sellling PSUs to anyone that owns an older NVIDIA GPUs or AMD GPUs with 8-pin connectors. 

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

Here is also a new smart design choice. Engineering at it best. Trimming away 1/4 of the heatsink area to hide the PCIe Gen 5 cable show us the best coming from todays tech engineers. Why not shave of more of the heatsink finstack "so you can get a better grip around the connector" when you plug it in? 🤐

 

MSI Project Zero GPU Hides 12V-2x6 Power Connector

Who needs a heat sink? Maybe the goal is to burn the GPU one way or another. If not the arson adapter plug then the core and memory. That will teach that naughty GPU and the idiot that buys it a good hard lesson about "can't fix stupid" 😠

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Nice. Yet another PSU manufacturer that mean 8 pins connectors should be removed from the PSU panel. 3 measly 8 pins connectors (incl 1 Cpu EPS connector) for their 1000W PSUs. But you get the modern tiny fire cracker, the PCIe Gen 5 connector. This is awful. 

 

Chieftec Introduces 1000 W VEGA M Series Power Supply Unit

Press Release

 

 

 

 

 

Most modern users, even over on OC, all prefer clean runs to their 5090s and below. Most are either using the supplied PSU 12vhpwr cable or custom ordering one for their PSU with the connector included.

 

Just about every model in the Nvidia consumer stack now uses it.

 

Who in this forum are using the tentacle and running it to 4x PCIe 8 pin connectors to the 5090 besides me?

 

31 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

They obvious do not care about sellling PSUs to anyone that owns an older NVIDIA GPUs or AMD GPUs with 8-pin connectors. 

 

 

Unfortunately we're three generations in now on Nvidia and the 12vhpwr connector. 

Nvidia dominates the market so it makes sense that PSU makers are starting to default to having one on their PSU

 

What I would like to see though is always having at least 4x 8 pin connectors too along side it especially on models 850w+ and up but the bean counters have run their numbers and some models are sacrificing them for $$$.

 

For lesser wattage models I can kind of give it a pass.

 

So far we've only seen two AMD models with it: The Taichi and the Nitro+ 9070xt models. I suspect more will adopt it for future models. 😞

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

19 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Most modern users, even over on OC, all prefer clean runs to their 5090s and below. Most are either using the supplied PSU 12vhpwr cable or custom ordering one for their PSU with the connector included.

 

Just about every model in the Nvidia consumer stack now uses it.

 

Who in this forum are using the tentacle and running it to 4x PCIe 8 pin connectors to the 5090 besides me?

 

Unfortunately we're three generations in now on Nvidia and the 12vhpwr connector. 

Nvidia dominates the market so it makes sense that PSU makers are starting to default to having one on their PSU

 

What I would like to see though is always having at least 4x 8 pin connectors too along side it especially on models 850w+ and up but the bean counters have run their numbers and some models are sacrificing them for $$$.

 

For lesser wattage models I can kind of give it a pass.

 

So far we've only seen two AMD models with it: The Taichi and the Nitro+ 9070xt models. I suspect more will adopt it for future models. 😞

Change that occurs purely for the sake of effecting change is never good or welcomed by anyone other than the inventors. There was zero legitimate need for this. It provides no benefit whatsoever to any consumer. The only logical explanation for it is that it was a very carefully executed strategy to benefit NVIDIA and the PSU makers and create new revenue streams through deliberately fabricated obsolescence. People buy PSUs with 10+ year warranties and continue using them after the warranty expires. What better way to force consumers into buying something they don't need?

[tps3443]

Anyone with a shunted 5090’s cook a cable yet? Mine has been solid running daily still. I think we can have a decent future with the 12v2x6. 
 

I feel like this cable is “Finicky” and so long as we’re all aware of that everything will be alright. 🔥

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Anyone with a shunted 5090’s cook a cable yet? Mine has been solid running daily still. I think we can have a decent future with the 12v2x6. 
 

I feel like this cable is “Finicky” and so long as we’re all aware of that everything will be alright. 🔥

So far no problem but I do not think I will ever have any level of confidence in the durability or resilience of the petite arson connector. The risk willl always be there and requires monitoring. It is an unfortunate and unnecessary situation that we find ourselves in.

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And the hits just keep on coming...

 

[Papusan]

6 hours ago, electrosoft said:

What I would like to see though is always having at least 4x 8 pin connectors too along side it especially on models 850w+ and up but the bean counters have run their numbers and some models are sacrificing them for $$$.

 

I expect you try to say 4* 8 pins outside the two for Cpu and one for the modern motherboards. So minimum 7 of them. 4 extra can also be used as spare connectors for a failed 12v-2*6 cable.

 

Less than 7*8 pins is a shame.....