*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

According to GN video (as reported by EVGA and personal extrapolation):

 

~78% of sales are GPU (but low to no profitability)

~20% of sales are PSU (300% profitability)

~2% are motherboards and misc (this is surprising)

 

20% layoff makes sense as they informed Nvidia in April 2022 their intentions to sever their partnership. Nvidia had almost 5 months to make right and didn't.

 

Wondering where Vince will go?

 

 

 

Facts as told to Steve:

 

 

Primary reason for terminating partnership = can't compete with Nvidia and FE editions and pricing down along with Nvidia not listening finalized with EVGA losing hundreds per card sale from the 3080 12gb and up even with the older less severe price cuts:

 

 

 

 

nice sum up, bud. just finished watching jay´s and GN`s vids, just a small correction for the PSU profitability: the PSU margins are 300% of the GPU margins, so if they make 2% profit on GPUs, it would equate to 6% profit on PSUs. 300% margin would be insane 😄 

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

nice sum up, bud. just finished watching jay´s and GN`s vids, just a small correction for the PSU profitability: the PSU margins are 300% of the GPU margins, so if they make 2% profit on GPUs, it would equate to 6% profit on PSUs. 300% margin would be insane 😄 

 

Forgot the "of GPU" (which we know is low to none) lol...

 

The 2% sales for motherboards and misc was the one I found jaw dropping. I assumed their motherboard business (even with them being habitually late to market) was greater than that.

 

With the data as presented, I can see why they cut ties with Nvidia and focus on a proper downsize while deciding what they want to do next. They can continue as a small, tightly run PSU, MB and misc company while they decide on another GPU venture that yields better control and profitability. I do hope they go with AMD. A K|NGP|N 7900xt or 8900xt would be righteous but I just feel like they will somehow work out their differences enough to after optimizing they will come back around to Nvidia for the 5000 series.

 

It definitely is a combination of objective and subjective reasons but this has clearly been brewing for some time as Jensen and Nvidia have become a tiresome problem to work with but it isn't as if AMD doesn't make their own cards too so there is a bit of competition with AIBs there.

 

 

[Reciever]

Oh the 690's will be here tomorrow, a pleasant surprise. 

 

Still no word on the eah4890's yet. Really want to run it back and see if amd improved things and/or if I was a bumbling idiot or probably both lol. 

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, Reciever said:

 

Honestly I think this will also hit Nvidia quite a bit. I didnt like any other vendor and to be honest they were the primary factor to me, nvidia being secondary when I looked at their products.

 

Its been a while now that we have known Nvidia has been a terrible partner to all, you can only run that way for so long before people arent willing to deal with it anymore.

 

 

In other news, I picked up 2x GTX 690's for 60/each to pair with the accelero coolers, only gone as far as tri-sli in the past so this will be a first for Quad-SLI, luckily due to mining I have 4x 1200w PSU's plus the 1300w EVGA PSU. Its going to be a fun Winter combing through 2010-2012 GPU's on @Mr. Fox's old 10850K platform. Probably closer to how he would like for me to use it anyways eh? 

 

Do you have the SP84 10850K? 

[Mr. Fox]

9 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

 

Do you have the SP84 10850K? 

Yes, he is the proud owner of that rare gem.

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Revolution has a side benefit that it usually grows stronger once someone with the gonads has the gumption to draw first blood.

Go EVGA, GO.  

Bring on the Revolution! Jolly Green Giant needs to learn the Golden Rule.

 

[Mr. Fox]

Finally took time to tighten things up on the Z690 Strix D4. It has some redeeming qualities, but DDR4 overclocking is DEFINITELY not one of them. I ran this memory at 4500 CL16 on the Z490 Dark and Z490 Strix sold to Brother @Reciever but it can't run stable above 4000 for some reason on Z690. I can run it at 4200, but not stable. I tested the 12900K and both 12900KSes and it is either ASUS cheaped out on the mobo or just Z690 doesn't like DDR4, not sure which.

 

[Reciever]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

 

Do you have the SP84 10850K? 

Yes, it's currently purring at 5Ghz, I should be able to hit 5.2Ghz after I do some homework on the platform. 

[Tenoroon]

Sad news to see EVGA leave the market, but oh well, Nvidia has made so many poor decisions its unreal. For the past few years I've heard about how garbage the Nvidia Partner Program (or whatever its called) is. Alongside many garbage business practices, Nvidia also locked a lot of laptop manufacturers to only using Nvidia GPUs in laptops, and when AMD started to make a comeback, you didn't see many non-Nvidia laptops. (Intel did this to a greater degree, and thats why companies like Razer didn't use AMD CPUs until post 10th gen Intel CPUs.) There are many more problems with Nvidia, but yeah, I hope EVGAs decisions to drop Nvidia sends shockwaves everywhere.

@Recieveryou have been implying you have purchased multiple 4980's. Is this correct? I may be interested in buying one off of you to test in some other Haswell laptops I have recently obtained. My memory is a bit hazy right now, but something tells me you or someone else said the 4980's microcode was injected into the AW17's BIOS and it never posted. Is this too correct?

While the Dsanke BIOS is alright, my fans are all f***ed up and do not automatically spin up. The GPU will slowly rise until it hits 90C at idle, which is very annoying. I have used some other software to somewhat fix this, but it is only either off, 50% or 100% as I can't get custom fan tables to work. I really wish I had a Prema BIOS :(.
I plan on doing the paperclip mod tommorow as I feel the contact between the die can be better. I hope I don't break anything lol, we'll see. I've been slammed with personal things, and I really wish I had more time to toy with this thing. It seems to have a lot of potential, but is being held back by shit firmware, as with most of Clevo's laptops.

[tps3443]

54 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Yes, it's currently purring at 5Ghz, I should be able to hit 5.2Ghz after I do some homework on the platform. 

That was my brothers CPU originally, when my 10900K died, I bought it from my brother. I ran it for a few weeks, then traded it off to Mr Fox for an 11900K. That 10850K ran awesome at 5.3Ghz for me all cores at sub 300 watts under a full load perfectly reliable. More or less a “Economical OC” I couldn’t believe it! 

 

Its a good 10850K. 
 

That thing easily did 5.2Ghz before I delidded it. 
 

I had so much fun with that chip though. I find it amazing how CPU’s can be so different from one another.
 

 

[Mr. Fox]

More irrefutable evidence of their unquenchable love and kindness toward us all...

 

First Batches of NVIDIA RTX 40-series Sitting in Warehouses Since August: Report

 

The first batches of NVIDIA GeForce RTX 40-series "Ada" graphics cards were in production since Q2-2022, and have been sitting in warehouses in Taiwan since August, reports Tweaktown. NVIDIA probably decided against launching them sooner, as the crypto-currency crash left it with heaps of unsold high-end RTX 30-series graphics card inventory, forcing it to delay launch of the RTX 40-series, to allow time for the market to digest this inventory. It is now at a point where its retail partners have to clear out high-end SKUs such as the RTX 3080-series and RTX 3090-series at a third the street-price they commanded in the thick of the GPU shortage caused by crypto-mining through 2021; so NVIDIA could start pushing those RTX 40-series cards. The company is widely expected to announce the RTX 40-series later this month. Besides aggressive pricing, NVIDIA has been bundling its high-end RTX 30-series cards with AAA games.

 

The best way to profit from demand is to limit the supply.

[Reciever]

11 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

Sad news to see EVGA leave the market, but oh well, Nvidia has made so many poor decisions its unreal. For the past few years I've heard about how garbage the Nvidia Partner Program (or whatever its called) is. Alongside many garbage business practices, Nvidia also locked a lot of laptop manufacturers to only using Nvidia GPUs in laptops, and when AMD started to make a comeback, you didn't see many non-Nvidia laptops. (Intel did this to a greater degree, and thats why companies like Razer didn't use AMD CPUs until post 10th gen Intel CPUs.) There are many more problems with Nvidia, but yeah, I hope EVGAs decisions to drop Nvidia sends shockwaves everywhere.

@Recieveryou have been implying you have purchased multiple 4980's. Is this correct? I might buy one off of you to test in some other Haswell laptops I have recently obtained. My memory is a bit hazy right now, but something tells me you or someone else said the 4980's microcode was injected into the AW17's BIOS and it never posted. Is this too correct?

While the Dsanke BIOS is alright but my fans are all f***ed up and do not automatically spin up. The GPU will slowly rise until it hits 90C at idle, which is very annoying. I have used some other software to somewhat fix this, but it is only either off, 50% or 100% as I can't get custom fan tables to work. I really wish I had a Prema BIOS :(.
I plan on doing the paperclip mod tommorow as I feel the contact between the die can be better. I hope I don't break anything lol, we'll see. I've been slammed with personal things, and I really wish I had more time to toy with this thing. It seems to have a lot of potential, but is being held back by shit firmware, as with most of Clevo's laptops.

I have purchased 1 4980hq but tested in multiple laptops. Im not quite sure if it works anymore as the last time I removed it the M6800 refused to let it go and I bent some pins. I was able to straighten them out but one pin is unable to stand on its own but isnt quite broken yet.

 

There was another user that bought the 4980hq or 4870hq but it failed to post. I installed it into the Ranger where it didnt post, later injected Crystalwell microcode but no dice.

 

The seller seems to have not shipped the AC adapter for the P157SM-A so just pinged them about it a moment ago.

[Tenoroon]

20 minutes ago, Reciever said:

I have purchased 1 4980hq but tested in multiple laptops. Im not quite sure if it works anymore as the last time I removed it the M6800 refused to let it go and I bent some pins. I was able to straighten them out but one pin is unable to stand on its own but isnt quite broken yet.

 

There was another user that bought the 4980hq or 4870hq but it failed to post. I installed it into the Ranger where it didnt post, later injected Crystalwell microcode but no dice.

 

The seller seems to have not shipped the AC adapter for the P157SM-A so just pinged them about it a moment ago.

Okay, all makes sense now, Thanks!

 

If the P157 uses the 4 pin adapter, I can maybe send you my spare 330w one from the P870 for a bit if the seller doesn’t have the adapter. I’m not even sure if it uses the 4 pin one though...

[Reciever]

9 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

Okay, all makes sense now, Thanks!

 

If the P157 uses the 4 pin adapter, I can maybe send you my spare 330w one from the P870 for a bit if the seller doesn’t have the adapter. I’m not even sure if it uses the 4 pin one though...

I still have one from the p750fm, but alas the p157sm-a uses a different style. The guy got back to me he just realized he forgot it so I asked him to send it Monday. 

 

No rush for this system 

[Tenoroon]

Just tried the paperclip mod and nothing came of it. The paperclip just slides around and off of the edge of the screw hole of the heatsink, and I can't bend the clip good enough to fit it through the screw hole area of the opposite side. Does anyone have any idea of how I can do this or of any other methods of lifting the mounting mechanism from the heatsink?

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

Just tried the paperclip mod and nothing came of it. The paperclip just slides around and off of the edge of the screw hole of the heatsink, and I can't bend the clip good enough to fit it through the screw hole area of the opposite side. Does anyone have any idea of how I can do this or of any other methods of lifting the mounting mechanism from the heatsink?

Here is how I always did it...

 

Use some needle-nose pliers and bend the crap out of the spring arms at the base where they attach to the heat sink so they end up at about a 45° angle from the point where it intersects with the point of attachment. Just be careful to not bend it inside of the area where it is attached to the heat sink so it doesn't break off. This is where using needle-nose pliers is beneficial. You can avoid putting pressure on the point of attachment while bending it.

 

By bending it upward like that it will take a comparatively tremendous amount of force (which is not saying much since there is almost none on a stock heat sink) to push the arm down far enough to engage the screw into the threads on the x-bracket standoff. 

 

You want the bend to be increased only within the area marked with the yellow ovals.

[Mr. Fox]

 

It would initially be painful and difficult, but in the long run I think a world without participation from China would be a better place. Without the rest of the world buying their crap they would simply return to being a third-world country with nothing to contribute. They would just dry up and blow away. Wouldn't hurt my feelings any. They've worn out their welcome as far as I am concerned and they have only themselves and their unacceptable behavior to blame for it. Let 'em rot in their own sewage.

13 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

More irrefutable evidence of their unquenchable love and kindness toward us all...

 

First Batches of NVIDIA RTX 40-series Sitting in Warehouses Since August: Report

 

The first batches of NVIDIA GeForce RTX 40-series "Ada" graphics cards were in production since Q2-2022, and have been sitting in warehouses in Taiwan since August, reports Tweaktown. NVIDIA probably decided against launching them sooner, as the crypto-currency crash left it with heaps of unsold high-end RTX 30-series graphics card inventory, forcing it to delay launch of the RTX 40-series, to allow time for the market to digest this inventory. It is now at a point where its retail partners have to clear out high-end SKUs such as the RTX 3080-series and RTX 3090-series at a third the street-price they commanded in the thick of the GPU shortage caused by crypto-mining through 2021; so NVIDIA could start pushing those RTX 40-series cards. The company is widely expected to announce the RTX 40-series later this month. Besides aggressive pricing, NVIDIA has been bundling its high-end RTX 30-series cards with AAA games.

 

The best way to profit from demand is to limit the supply.

 

[jaybee83]

On 9/17/2022 at 6:32 AM, Mr. Fox said:

More irrefutable evidence of their unquenchable love and kindness toward us all...

 

First Batches of NVIDIA RTX 40-series Sitting in Warehouses Since August: Report

 

The first batches of NVIDIA GeForce RTX 40-series "Ada" graphics cards were in production since Q2-2022, and have been sitting in warehouses in Taiwan since August, reports Tweaktown. NVIDIA probably decided against launching them sooner, as the crypto-currency crash left it with heaps of unsold high-end RTX 30-series graphics card inventory, forcing it to delay launch of the RTX 40-series, to allow time for the market to digest this inventory. It is now at a point where its retail partners have to clear out high-end SKUs such as the RTX 3080-series and RTX 3090-series at a third the street-price they commanded in the thick of the GPU shortage caused by crypto-mining through 2021; so NVIDIA could start pushing those RTX 40-series cards. The company is widely expected to announce the RTX 40-series later this month. Besides aggressive pricing, NVIDIA has been bundling its high-end RTX 30-series cards with AAA games.

 

The best way to profit from demand is to limit the supply.

guess where those stockpiles would have already gone if the crypto craze wasnt over and Ethereum still on PoW....thats right, theyd all be sold to miners long ago. at least NOW theyre just sitting there waiting to be sold to US 😛 but yeah, absolutely disgusting practice! 

 

if Nvidia hadnt bought tons of their chips and boards back from partners, prices wouldve fallen even more by now. but just give it another few weeks, the next avalanche of used gpus is still coming from all the ETH quitters 😄 

[Reciever]

Yeah I am generally not happy about the current paradigm. 

 

Basically the reason we stopped getting interesting one off's, especially in the western world is specifically due to Nvidia. AMD tried to keep it running a bit longer but sadly both products were priced high and didnt really attempt to hit the mainstream market anymore. With DX12 and pushing mGPU back into the developers which was odd but also foreseeable. Nvidia after all only really put any effort into games that were attempting to implement proprietary functions they themselves were trying to push. 

 

Actually I remember there some buzz about the 460 2WIN because it had the SLI finger still present so there was some excitement about running Quad SLI/Tri SLI just for fun. Dont know if anyone tried this though...

 

[electrosoft]

Sniff....

 

 

[tps3443]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Sniff....

 

 

You running a 3090Ti KP Hybrid? How do you like it vs your original 3090 Kingpin Hybrid?

 

I see they are very exclusive. I haven’t seen one on eBay. I did get an email to buy one from EVGA, but I passed it up. 

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, tps3443 said:

You running a 3090Ti KP Hybrid? How do you like it vs your original 3090 Kingpin Hybrid?

 

I see they are very exclusive. I haven’t seen one on eBay. I did get an email to buy one from EVGA, but I passed it up. 

I passed on it, too. Way too much money and not enough of an upgrade from 3090 KPE. And, more than anything else no water block available and probably will never be one. That totally killed any remote chance of me ever changing my mind. Totally dead end unless you specifically want a hybrid GPU and have no aspirations for something more. But, I know there are some people that want it specifically because it is a hybrid.

 

[Reciever]

Got both gtx 690's and now both have an accelero twin turbo heatsink. Tested the first one and looks to be operating as it should, gpu 2 will be tomorrow. 

 

I don't want to get ahead of myself but I do see some benchmarks that look like they could be in reach. I'll upload some pc porn with this post. Basically replaces the single 92mm fan with 2x 120mm fans, though they do appear to be low profile. 

 

Going to have to swap a lot of hardware around this week. 

 

Looks like the eah4890's are a scam. Guy never sent them, if they exist and created the same listing a day after I made the purchase. Ebay is now making me wait 5 additional days before they are willing to step in, guess I'm going to have to call them tomorrow. 

 

I did see an accelero III for 15, probably going to snap that up. 

[Mr. Fox]

22 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Got both gtx 690's and now both have an accelero twin turbo heatsink. Tested the first one and looks to be operating as it should, gpu 2 will be tomorrow. 

 

I don't want to get ahead of myself but I do see some benchmarks that look like they could be in reach. I'll upload some pc porn with this post. Basically replaces the single 92mm fan with 2x 120mm fans, though they do appear to be low profile. 

 

Going to have to swap a lot of hardware around this week. 

 

Looks like the eah4890's are a scam. Guy never sent them, if they exist and created the same listing a day after I made the purchase. Ebay is now making me wait 5 additional days before they are willing to step in, guess I'm going to have to call them tomorrow. 

 

I did see an accelero III for 15, probably going to snap that up. 

Sweet. I look forward to seeing more as you get this bad boy fired up.

[electrosoft]

9 hours ago, tps3443 said:

You running a 3090Ti KP Hybrid? How do you like it vs your original 3090 Kingpin Hybrid?

 

I see they are very exclusive. I haven’t seen one on eBay. I did get an email to buy one from EVGA, but I passed it up. 

 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I passed on it, too. Way too much money and not enough of an upgrade from 3090 KPE. And, more than anything else no water block available and probably will never be one. That totally killed any remote chance of me ever changing my mind. Totally dead end unless you specifically want a hybrid GPU and have no aspirations for something more. But, I know there are some people that want it specifically because it is a hybrid.

 

 

I like it. It's a KPE 3090 on steroids and better binned than my KPE 3090.

 

Sold my KPE 3090 on ebay for $2800. Bought it originally direct from EVGA for $1999.

Bought the KPE 3090ti for $2499.99 but after contacting EVGA CS a few times after the price drop to $1999.99 at the time they refunded me the $500 difference PLUS the associates code 3% on top making it $1924.99 so I was ok with that since they didn't have to. That included the 1600w PSU which I actually needed as my best PSU was a 1000w Seasonic and a 850w EVGA which both lacked the PCIe ports I needed.

 

Basically an upgrade from my KPE 3090 to a 3090ti, plus a bit back AND 1 600w PSU.

 

I'm content and the WoW Beta and FO76 aren't even stressing it at 4k. Actually FO76 doesn't even push it above 150w and Blizzard seems to have optimized their code finally which is nice but we will see with the final launch.

 

With all the EVGA/Nvidia problems along with my two main games having no problems at 4k with it I'm definitely skipping the 5000 series.

 

Downside of course is if you want to block it that's a no go. 🙂

 

I wouldn't block it, but after having a FTW 3090ti in my case for a week, I will never put a furnace of that level inside a cased system ever again. In the future it will always be hybrids or a potential block.