*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

Top 75th Pifast. All above use exotic cooling. Yep, 13th gen is a nice overclocker so I think it's more in the tank🙂 

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5126548_papusan_pifast_core_i9_13900k_8sec_880ms

 

 

6th for GTX 980 and 40th GLOBAL 1X GPU RANK  - 3DM 2001 SE 🙂

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5126459_papusan_3dmark2001_se_geforce_gtx_980_209306_marks

[Mr. Fox]

This worked out nicely as a dust/lint filter for the XT45 1080 Nova radiator. The product is made better than I expected it to be. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B092249XQJ

 

[Papusan]

Here's an short easy guide for AIO (water) cooling and correct placement for fans with measured temp differences between where you put them and the cooler.

 

Install AiO water cooling optimally - place the radiator correctly
https://hardware-helden.de/aio-wasserkuehlung-optimal-platzieren/

[tps3443]

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

This worked out nicely as a dust/lint filter for the XT45 1080 Nova radiator. The product is made better than I expected it to be. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B092249XQJ

 

It’s nice too because you can literally set those fans to like 600-700RPM, and get peak performance. Those radiators are very very low FPI. They can even cool 300 watts 100% passively, maybe more. 
 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

It’s nice too because you can literally set those fans to like 600-700RPM, and get peak performance. Those radiators are very very low FPI. They can even cool 300 watts 100% passively, maybe more. 
 

 

I am using Artic F12 fans, which are very low speed at maximum RPM, so they run full blast with no mechanism to control the speed. It works out really well. They are very quiet and they have adequate static pressure. The way Alphacool designed the fan mounting plate with the round holes there is no place for the air to leak. You can use any kind of fan (square or round with tabs) and not have to worry about static pressure loss. The only direction the air can leave is through the radiator, or backdraft through the fan blades.

[jaybee83]

21 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, it is awesome. I love Wolfenstein series as well. I did not know they had remastered versions.

 

ahno, they dont have remasters, at least not yet. theyve just been updates a bunch of times since original launch 🙂 

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am using Artic F12 fans, which are very low speed at maximum RPM, so they run full blast with no mechanism to control the speed. It works out really well. They are very quiet and they have adequate static pressure. The way Alphacool designed the fan mounting plate with the round holes there is no place for the air to leak. You can use any kind of fan (square or round with tabs) and not have to worry about static pressure loss. The only direction the air can leave is through the radiator, or backdraft through the fan blades.

 

yeah surprising to see how much power the Arctic fans have at such relatively low rpm and noise levels. im gonna deck out my casse with P12 and P14 fans!

 

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

Here's an short easy guide for AIO (water) cooling and correct placement for fans with measured temp differences between where you put them and the cooler.

 

Install AiO water cooling optimally - place the radiator correctly
https://hardware-helden.de/aio-wasserkuehlung-optimal-platzieren/

good to see i wouldve instinctively gone with the correct orientation 😎

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

Here's an short easy guide for AIO (water) cooling and correct placement for fans with measured temp differences between where you put them and the cooler.

 

Install AiO water cooling optimally - place the radiator correctly
https://hardware-helden.de/aio-wasserkuehlung-optimal-platzieren/

 

Yep, looks about right.

 

I have the KPE 3090ti 360 AIO up top because that puppy generates crazy heat. With my original KPE 3090 I ran it in the front and EVGA CLC 360 in the side with exhaust up top and the heat generation was savage. Fantastic for the KPE 3090, not so great for the internals and CPU.

 

As soon as I switched to a top exhaust and moved the CPU 420 to the front temps improved drastically (as expected).

 

If I move back to an EVGA CLC 360 I am going to mount it on the back vertical and have both it and the KPE 3090ti continue to exhaust and have intakes on the front and bottom and run some tests with anbd without a rear exhaust.

 

I'd prefer fresh air in and heated air dual exhausting from the CPU/GPU.

 

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

Good to see i wouldve instinctively gone with the correct orientation 😎

 

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Yep, looks about right.

 

I have the KPE 3090ti 360 AIO up top because that puppy generates crazy heat. With my original KPE 3090 I ran it in the front and EVGA CLC 360 in the side with exhaust up top and the heat generation was savage. Fantastic for the KPE 3090, not so great for the internals and CPU.

 

As soon as I switched to a top exhaust and moved the CPU 420 to the front temps improved drastically (as expected).

 

If I move back to an EVGA CLC 360 I am going to mount it on the back vertical and have both it and the KPE 3090ti continue to exhaust and have intakes on the front and bottom and run some tests with anbd without a rear exhaust.

 

I'd prefer fresh air in and heated air dual exhausting from the CPU/GPU.

 

 

I like tests that can show results with the differents setups. Hence I posted it. But I know most of you knew this. But nice to see the temp differences in real life. 

 

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It seems Nvidia want that the gamers buy 3 years old re-hashed cards. Or push them into the 4080@1200$ cards. I hope Nvidia will lose on this once AMD is out with their next gen cards at sub 1000$.

 

No One should buy 3 years old "new" re-hashed cards without getting a massive discount. This just show how Nvidia treat their customers when they buy new lreleased cards... You won't get the full performance potentiale in the products.  New cards as this should come at 1/4 of the official release price from 3 years ago. New is equal old or EOL if the arch/tech is 3 years old. People want new cards. Not re-hashed cards from 3 years old stock of silicon. If they want old, they can just find old on the used market. Why should I buy 3 years old cards in the retail stores for premium when I can find a lot used on the used market?  

 

Geforce RTX 4060 is said to be delayed until the summer

Nvidia's top segment in the RTX 4000 series can be found on store shelves, but the simpler models are speculated to be delayed for at least another six months.

 

Yep, Nvidia will offer cheaper cards than the 1200$ 4080 this Christmas/new year 2022/23....

 

 

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti with GDDR6X memory expected to completely replace the GDDR6 variant

 

Colorful launches GeForce RTX 3070 Ti with GA102 GPU, same clocks but higher power

[tps3443]

Has anyone returned opened CPU’s to Best Buy? Do they accept returns? 

[electrosoft]

26 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

I like tests that can show results with the differents setups. Hence I posted it. But I know most of you knew this. But nice to see the temp differences in real life. 

 

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It seems Nvidia want that the gamers buy 3 years old re-hashed cards. Or push them into the 4080@1200$ cards. I hope Nvidia will lose on this once AMD is out with their next gen cards at sub 1000$.

 

No One should buy 3 years old "new" re-hashed cards without getting a massive discount. This just show how Nvidia treat their customers when they buy new lreleased cards... You won't get the full performance potentiale in the products.  New cards as this should come at 1/4 of the official release price from 3 years ago. New is equal old or EOL if the arch/tech is 3 years old. People want new cards. Not re-hashed cards from 3 years old stock of silicon. If they want old, they can just find old on the used market. Why should I buy 3 years old cards in the retail stores for premium when I can find a lot used on the used market?  

 

Geforce RTX 4060 is said to be delayed until the summer

Nvidia's top segment in the RTX 4000 series can be found on store shelves, but the simpler models are speculated to be delayed for at least another six months.

 

Yep, Nvidia will offer cheaper cards than the 1200$ 4080 this Christmas/new year 2022/23....

 

 

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti with GDDR6X memory expected to completely replace the GDDR6 variant

 

Colorful launches GeForce RTX 3070 Ti with GA102 GPU, same clocks but higher power

 

I don't think anyone is surprised at Nvidia continuing to grossly put shareholders over consumers even when it is blatant and priced ridiculously. Jensen is all over PandoCryptoPricing (PCP) like me and Reese Cups. 😁

 

Hopefully the dismal 4080 sales continue instead of higher end GPU buyers feeling painted into a corner to buy that flaming turd.

 

AMD may provide much relief and even some buyers jumping ship.

 

16 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Has anyone returned opened CPU’s to Best Buy? Do they accept returns? 

 

I returned 1x 11900k and 2x 12900k chips to them no problem but in my defense I buy a crap ton of stuff from them yearly for myself, family, friends and clients.

 

If you haven't returned many items lately, you should have no problems buying a CPU, trying it and then returning it. Buying multiples? You may trip their system and they WILL warn you at the counter or refuse returns.

 

 

 

 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

I don't think anyone is surprised at Nvidia continuing to grossly put shareholders over consumers even when it is blatant and priced ridiculously. Jensen is all over PandoCryptoPricing (PCP) like me and Reese Cups. 😁

 

Hopefully the dismal 4080 sales continue instead of higher end GPU buyers feeling painted into a corner to buy that flaming turd.

 

AMD may provide much relief and even some buyers jumping ship.

 

 

I returned 1x 11900k and 2x 12900k chips to them no problem but in my defense I buy a crap ton of stuff from them yearly for myself, family, friends and clients.

 

If you haven't returned many items lately, you should have no problems buying a CPU, trying it and then returning it. Buying multiples? You may trip their system and they WILL warn you at the counter or refuse returns.

 

 

 

 

THANK YOU! 
 

Newegg has literally lost my 13900KF it was sent to Wyoming for some weird reason, and it’s now being re-routed to the correct destination via UPS. 😑

 

I was planning to get it today as the tracking said, but unfortunately it’s now on the other side of the country. At least the tracking updated today though, because it hasn’t since 11/15/2022. I bought this thing Monday last week from Newegg! 😳

 

Anyways, I just bought a 13900K at my local Best Buy for pickup “They had (1) in stock”. I need something to use ASAP though. I have important files on my main PC I need to access by today.

 

I hate to buy something and just return it, and I may just keep it especially if it’s a better Force2 rating than my other one coming. But I need a cpu today. 

[Clamibot]

Does anyone know if a 420mm radiator will fit in the Cougar Panzer Max case? I have this case and the manual/documentation for it only says it supports up to a 360mm radiator both top and front mounted, but you can front mount three 140mm fans. I have a 360mm radiator front mounted, and it looks like there's a good 1.5-2 inches extra height.

 

I ask because I want to get the Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 when I go out and acquire a 13900K, and I don't want to get another case. Fortunately there are holes in it for external water cooling, so I could go that route as well, but I'd rather stick with an AIO.

[electrosoft]

My wife had been complaining that playing wow it would get "chunky" in spots. I went in there to run her toon through some 5 players and raids for the free loot give away during the next few weeks and it would be fine one moment then frame drop then fine.

 

I spent today running all types of tests and everything pointed to the GPU or PSU so I loaded up TSE to loop and not 20 seconds in the red light on the PCIE lead came on. Shut everything down, cut the power, reboot run it again and...red light then another red light.

 

Crack open her case and I had forgotten I had put a 700w Zalman PSU  in there when she used to run a 3060 then 3070. I had also flipped her card from Q mode to P mode a few weeks back. That poor PSU! 😅 It tried to hang in there as long as it could before it started giving up the ghost. GPU-Z showed total board draw at ~315w max.

 

Popped my Seasonic 1000w in there. No more red lights and total board draw is ~380w now and no more sporadic "chunk" (as she called it).

 

That poor Zalman....lol.

 

 

 

 

[cylix]

Love it!

 

[electrosoft]

13 minutes ago, cylix said:

Love it!

 

 

Nvidia has found the consumer spending limit for certain tiered products.

 

I do wonder what the scenario would look like without AMD and their 7900xt/xtx on the horizon.

 

Nvidia is still king but AMD has made huge strides with RDNA and RDNA2. If everything progresses as it should, Nvidia will eventually have to start adjusting like Intel has to now with AMD and their CPUs.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Clamibot said:

Does anyone know if a 420mm radiator will fit in the Cougar Panzer Max case? I have this case and the manual/documentation for it only says it supports up to a 360mm radiator both top and front mounted, but you can front mount three 140mm fans. I have a 360mm radiator front mounted, and it looks like there's a good 1.5-2 inches extra height.

 

I ask because I want to get the Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 when I go out and acquire a 13900K, and I don't want to get another case. Fortunately there are holes in it for external water cooling, so I could go that route as well, but I'd rather stick with an AIO.

It does not appear that it is large enough for a 420mm radiator in top or bottom. I know you already have it, but based on what I see in this video, it does not seem to be an option.

 

 

[tps3443]

 BESTBUY 13900K 

 

MSI FORCE 2= 124 (With normal ambient water temps) holy crap. it’s 10 points better than my last one. I promise I didn’t sell my soul @Mr. Fox 

 

 

I also noticed a very LOW bios voltage, much lower than my last chip. 
 

😂

[electrosoft]

24 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

 BESTBUY 13900K 

 

MSI FORCE 2= 124 (With normal ambient water temps) holy crap. it’s 10 points better than my last one. I promise I didn’t sell my soul @Mr. Fox 

 

 

I also noticed a very LOW bios voltage, much lower than my last chip. 
 

😂

 

Nice! Now let's see how it compares to your other monster see if it can handle some of those settings. 🙂

 

 

[tps3443]

32 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Nice! Now let's see how it compares to your other monster see if it can handle some of those settings. 🙂

 

 

You ain’t gonna believe this. I’ll get some stuff up shortly still finding it’s limits here. It’s a ultra low power beast.  I’m seriously shocked right now. This thing is walking past the last chip so far in the “Limbo test” 


UPDATE

R23 run 217 watts

[Clamibot]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

You ain’t gonna believe this. I’ll get some stuff up shortly still finding it’s limits here. It’s a ultra low power beast.  I’m seriously shocked right now. This thing is walking past the last chip so far in the “Limbo test” 


UPDATE

R23 run 217 watts

 

Holy crap man! Those are amazing results.

 

So does that mean you need to go buy yet another 13900K? Each time you buy one it gets better.

[Papusan]

Why couldn't Nvidia offer all this for 4090 ?😃 

 

[tps3443]

50 minutes ago, Clamibot said:

 

Holy crap man! Those are amazing results.

 

So does that mean you need to go buy yet another 13900K? Each time you buy one it gets better.

I have another one that will be here Friday. We’ll see how good it is. I trust the Force2 rating for sure though. It is 100% legit. The lower the better and MSI is on to something. 
 

This 13900K is really amazing for sure though. It’s just CRAZY efficient. 
 

I take caution with these CPU’s now though. They can degrade so easily. Honestly, they really are the hot rod of processors. They are like a precision belted magnum rifle, they call them “Barrel Burners” because after about 80-100 rounds fired, your rifling is gone! These 13900K’s can begin to eat themselves after just a few weeks or even days of heavy benching with 350+ watts load. So, they are really meant to just run stock, finding that minimum voltage for 5.5-5.8Ghz boost is the way to go for long term cool running performance.

 

I’m not gonna push past 300 watts with this one. 

[Papusan]

18 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I take caution with these CPU’s now though. They can degrade so easily. Honestly, they really are the hot rod of processors. They are like a precision belted magnum rifle, they call them “Barrel Burners” because after about 80-100 rounds fired, your rifling is gone! These 13900K’s can begin to eat themselves after just a few weeks or even days of heavy benching with 350+ watts load. So, they are really meant to just run stock, finding that minimum voltage for 5.5-5.8Ghz boost is the way to go for long term cool running performance.

And here I sit, benching months after months. The 12900K have been near peak power/clocks all time since Feb until now. Yet, not have seen any degradation. It will soon have a nice life in a gaming rig for my son. Maybe I will call it "in retirement same as me", LOOL

 

I would rather say you should be a bit more careful with the IMC. Have seen a few chips that can't run memory at peak anymore. But the cores still kick ass. 

[tps3443]

29 minutes ago, Papusan said:

And here I sit, benching months after months. The 12900K have been near peak power/clocks all time since Feb until now. Yet, not have seen any degradation. It will soon have a nice life in a gaming rig for my son. Maybe I will call it "in retirement", LOOL

 

I would rather say you should be a bit more careful with the IMC. Have seen a few chips that can't run memory at peak anymore. But the cores still kick ass. 

I’m gonna say that you’re very good with maintaining low temps, and you help prevent degradation probably. Maybe not the average person though.
 

I hit my 11900K super hard too. Heavy power, heavy amperage. But, it never went above 75C with heavy benching. And realistically stayed well below 50C on a daily basis. It’s as good as ever. And now it’s living on a AIO@5.4 which is just laughable lol.

 

Maybe it’s not true and it’s all BS, but a lot of these engineers responsible for testing etc swear that degradation was a problem even for 12900K’s, and especially 13900K’s now that the power envelope is pushed so high. I don’t know what to believe anymore. Maybe it’s the guys running these long loads for hours on end everyday who are only seeing degradation. 
 

I don’t really know what to expect, I just know it’s being thrown around more than ever. I feel like if I keep doing what I’m doing I’ll be fine. And that’s numero #1 (Keep the cpu as cool as possible) is really all I got.

 

[Clamibot]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I’m gonna say that you’re very good with maintaining low temps, and you help prevent degradation probably. Maybe not the average person though.
 

I hit my 11900K super hard too. Heavy power, heavy amperage. But, it never went above 75C with heavy benching. And realistically stayed well below 50C on a daily basis. It’s as good as ever. And now it’s living on a AIO@5.4 which is just laughable lol.

 

Maybe it’s not true and it’s all BS, but a lot of these engineers responsible for testing etc swear that degradation was a problem even for 12900K’s, and especially 13900K’s now that the power envelope is pushed so high. I don’t know what to believe anymore. Maybe it’s the guys running these long loads for hours on end everyday who are only seeing degradation. 
 

I don’t really know what to expect, I just know it’s being thrown around more than ever. I feel like if I keep doing what I’m doing I’ll be fine. And that’s numero #1 (Keep the cpu as cool as possible) is really all I got.

 

 

My guess is the degradation they're seeing is from running too high a voltage on the CPU for too long. Out of anything you can do to a CPU, there is nothing that has more potential to permanently damage your CPU than voltages that are too high. Temps and power draw aren't really a problem, it's voltage. Although temps and power draw can definitely affect your CPU's longevity, voltage affects it much more.

 

Heavy benching won't degrade the CPU unless you cross a certain voltage threshold. I'd say 1.4 volts on anything from Skylake up to Rocket Lake is a good long term max voltage that won't harm your CPU even if running 24/7 with that voltage. For Alder Lake and Raptor Lake, I think the maximum voltage considered safe for 24/7 operation is 1.3 volts, but I think you'll be fine up to 1.4 volts for long gaming sessions. It's when you exceed these values during long term operation that you may experience problems.

 

I'd say if you never exceed 1.4 volts during a long 6 hour gaming session, you'll be fine. If you want to be super duper sure, find out what your max stable all P-Core overclock is using adaptive voltage with the voltage offset at 0mv and using conventional water cooling, like on a 360mm AIO. Take note of the highest voltage you see, and don't ever exceed that value.