*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[cylix]

Raytracing 7900xtx benchmark, if true it looks good, amd came a long way.

 

https://youtu.be/QSKbpq3arXA

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

Here one more video brother Electro. My very first video on YouTube🤪 And this is not a video about shoes but a Hell lot noise. See my reply below and you can connect the dots😎 Please sub on my channel and click on the like button, LOOL

 

 

 

 

I'm sure I can do +90db. And I still hear the awful sound in my head even after the pc is turned of You still want them bro @tps3443? Maybe buy18 of them. They are damn cheap, but awful sound and most likly not the best cooling I have seen. Now you are warned.

 

The fan from HELL. This 4000 rpm server fan is loud. But not so so it is more powerful than my Noctua 3000 and 3000 rpm EK-Vardar Furious.

 

 

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Whoa that is loud! I should have had my speakers down a bit more. 🙂

 

 

Yeah, totally nuts. That is even worse than the Delta fans from what I can tell. Higher pitched and more obnoxious.

 

Do they move a ton of air, or just make lots of noise?

[Mr. Fox]

11 minutes ago, cylix said:

Raytracing 7900xtx benchmark, if true it looks good, amd came a long way.

 

https://youtu.be/QSKbpq3arXA

Yeah, that is a big improvement. The thing about gaming is you don't need to buy the most powerful  and expensive GPU to get the job done and enjoy a satisfying experience. If you were not looking at an on-screen overlay it would not be possible to tell one from the other. If you jack the settings up so high that it tanks your performance it does very little to improve the quality of the image on the screen. I find it difficult to tell any difference between high/very high/ultra other than a corresponding diminished framerate.

[Talon]

RIP The Hype. 

 

 

[cylix]

 

 

Looks like xtx is trading blows with 4080 and keeping the fight with RT on at a 200 300 $ Cheaper.  But if nvidia reduces the 4080 Price i dont see AMD well..

[Rage Set]

@electrosoft I agree with you. The A770 is a very sexy card. Intel shown a lot of skill with the design of this card. The materials used alone make me wonder if they are losing money on these cards. I've never seen such high build quality on a $350 card. 

 

Installation was short and simple. I'm using it on a 11900K gaming rig and so far, it appears to be working normally. I haven't tried overclocking it yet. Right now I'm running all of my benchmarks at stock and once I'm satisfied, I'll start overclocking. 

[Mr. Fox]

I ordered a kit of Team Group Delta 7200 A-die. It is being returned for a refund. It is unstable and fails memory tests with errors and BSOD on both of my Z690 systems running at rated settings and only worsens with tuning efforts. Oddly enough, my M-die can run all of the Delta 7200 timings at 7200 with no errors and higher read, write, copy speeds and lower latency. My manual overclock of the M-die at 6800 performs as well or better than their XMP profile. The only way I could get it stable was to reduce the speed to 6800 and then it was slower than my generic M-die.

 

I have had several TG Delta M-die kits that were fantastic, but this Delta A-die kit is rubbish. Kind of disappointing that it is not as good as my generic green M-die.

[Talon]

 

4090 is 37% faster than AMD's best. Not good for us wanting a 4090 Ti sooner rather than later. Looks like AMD isn't competing at the high end this gen. 

 

Nvidia 4080 is more power efficient than the AMD GPU. In certain situations it pulls insane 100w at idle desktop. AMD drivers at their best. The performance is neck and neck in normal rasterization. Then the 4080 smashes the AMD GPU in Ray Tracing and that didn't even include DLSS 3.0 and Frame Gen which AMD has no answer to yet. Yes I know they "announced" FSR 3, but a stated release date of 2023 is vague, and no idea the kind of support it will see by that point. 

 

Considering the $200 price difference MSRP vs MSRP, The AMD card just ain't worth it IMO. 

 

 

That coil whine lol. 

[saturnotaku]

 

While I wouldn't have expected the 7900 XTX to crush the RTX 4080, I thought it would do much better overall.

 

[Mr. Fox]

 

[1610ftw]

6 minutes ago, saturnotaku said:

 

While I wouldn't have expected the 7900 XTX to crush the RTX 4080, I thought it would do much better overall.

 

 

That is the difference between wanting something to be a certain way and reality.

 

At the top end there is only Nvidia who completely obliterate the competition of AMD and Intel, no wishful thinking will change that. And they are efficient, too so they will also rule the laptop world.

 

I am very happy that I am interested more in CPUs than GPUs as I would rather not give Nvidia loads of money for the 4080, 4090 or one of their mislabled mobile cousins.

 

 

[1610ftw]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

 

That guy is great and doing society a real service by saving all this hardware from the electronics trash bin, love it.

[Etern4l]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

Great content, just one remark: those professional cards run at lower power and are meant to be packed 2 slots apart, so they can't really be judged using the same guidelines as typical gaming cards.

 

[tps3443]

SP110 13900K is here and running in my rig. 
 

chip is SP121 P-Cores, and SP88 E-Cores.

 

I’m working at the moment, and just running the chip stock. I’ll report back later how it performs.

[Rage Set]

What I gather from all of these 7900 XTX reviews is that AMD does, in fact, challenge the 4080 in everything besides RT. We all expected that.

 

What I find interesting is no one is talking about the frequency these cards are hitting. They are averaging 2.675 at stock. I have yet to see an overclock video on the XTX but based on the evidence and if you can use the MorePowerTool/Red BIOS Editor, I am sure these things are going to hit over 3k. 

 

Now I am a bit more interested in these cards than before.

[Rage Set]

39 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

 

Due to this guy, I purchased a new soldering station and I am currently researching a microscope to go with it. 

[cylix]

2 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

What I gather from all of these 7900 XTX reviews is that AMD does, in fact, challenge the 4080 in everything besides RT. We all expected that.

 

What I find interesting is no one is talking about the frequency these cards are hitting. They are averaging 2.675 at stock. I have yet to see an overclock video on the XTX but based on the evidence and if you can use the MorePowerTool/Red BIOS Editor, I am sure these things are going to hit over 3k. 

 

Now I am a bit more interested in these cards than before.

Yes at this price point with the 4080 still being 1200 dollar msrp the 7900xtx is better,  rasterization is on paar or better in 4k, power draw is the same as last generation and a little higher as 4080 and RT while still behind is way better as last gen and playable.

I want to see what the AIB are bringing in terms of clocks,  i expect the cooling to be eay better with those 3 slot heatsinks.

I have decided i will get the sapphire nitro if its available and i can get one ahead os scalpers

[Mr. Fox]

13 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

What I gather from all of these 7900 XTX reviews is that AMD does, in fact, challenge the 4080 in everything besides RT. We all expected that.

 

What I find interesting is no one is talking about the frequency these cards are hitting. They are averaging 2.675 at stock. I have yet to see an overclock video on the XTX but based on the evidence and if you can use the MorePowerTool/Red BIOS Editor, I am sure these things are going to hit over 3k. 

 

Now I am a bit more interested in these cards than before.

If they overclock well (TBD) it could dramatically change things. I have always cared a whole lot more about how well a CPU or GPU overclocks than I care about how it runs stock. If it runs great stock and sucks at overclocking, then I have no interest in owning it. It's boring and I don't do the "everyone gets a trophy for participation" thing. That is also frequently used as a lame excuse that [insert brand name] is giving their customers the best by leaving nothing on the table for overclockers which is baloney. If it were true, it would mean there would be many failures, malfunctions and RMAs as the poor silicon samples can't function properly at stock spec.

 

The Linux support is compelling by itself if you are a Linux user. If they wanted to really open a can of whoop-ass on the Green Goblin they would include Windows 7 support. They would have an instant following and demonstrate they care more about the people that own their products than being an obedient muppet that licks the boots of the Redmond Retards.

[Papusan]

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Whoa that is loud! I should have had my speakers down a bit more. 🙂

 

 

Imagine 36 of them at full speed for benching😁

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

Yeah, totally nuts. That is even worse than the Delta fans from what I can tell. Higher pitched and more obnoxious.

 

Do they move a ton of air, or just make lots of noise?

Yes, these fans are really noisy with a terrible screeching sound. As far away in quality and sound level as you can get vs. 3000rpm Noctua IPC and EK-Furious Vardar EVO 120 (3000rpm). They move a lot of air but think they are weaker vs mentioned if I set them to 3000 rpm. Each fan draws around 10w. So with a 1000D chassis that would mean 36 fans and 360w, LOOL
And then imagine the sound level with 36 of them screeching at 4000 rpm

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5141617_papusan_3dmark2001_se_geforce_rtx_4090_207178_marks

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5141547_papusan_3dmark03_geforce_rtx_4090_337437_marks

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5141615_papusan_unigine_superposition___1080p_xtreme_geforce_rtx_4090_24764_points

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5141450_papusan_3dmark___time_spy_extreme_geforce_rtx_4090_19708_marks

 

 

Finally under 100th on hwbot 🙂  Papusan @ HWBOT 

2 hours ago, Talon said:

RIP The Hype. 

 

 

The only good with this, is more options to the people. And this may help Nvidia to change their awful prices for mid high end. And $1000 is even all too much. But this AMD launch won't speed up the release of 4090 Ti. Amd just released a 1000$ card that should cost 699-799$ USD.

[Mr. Fox]

Just now, Papusan said:

The only good with this, is more options to the people. And this may help Nvidia to change their awful prices for mid high end. But this AMD launch won't speed up the release of 4090 Ti. 

I still haven't forgiven them for back-stabbing 3090 owners with the 3090 Ti. I hope they never release a 4090 Ti and stop the financial shell game. It's not welcomed and merely shows what a sucky greed-driven outfit they are.

[Papusan]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I still haven't forgiven them for back-stabbing 3090 owners with the 3090 Ti. I hope they never release a 4090 Ti and stop the financial shell game. It's not welcomed and merely shows what a sucky greed-driven outfit they are.

Nvidia could go back to Titan branding and charge 2500$. They won't touch the 4090 price point from what I can see with the release from AMD. And they can push out a 4080Ti to compete with an possible 7950XTX cards from AMD. These new cards from AMD should never been have been released at $899 and $999. They should have been $699 and $799 cards. This is awful news for gamers. AMD just go the same route as Nvidia and push xx80 SKU's nearer 1000$.

 

Which is a price increase of at least 25%. And I don't count in Nvidia's greed with 70% price hike. People should accept going up from $699 to $799. That's fine. But not this what we now see.

[Ashtrix]

So 7900XTX is a maxed out silicon and 4090 is way too fast to fight. the price is less vs 4080 but I kinda wished AMD did not hold the damn Clock at sub 3GHz while their GPU Arch is explicitly states as designed for 3GHz that's a bummer they should have made a GPU variant with massive 3GHz clock rate.

 

Official slide by AMD for RDNA3 stating about 3GHz clockrate. 2nd point

 

 

Straight to the point on Perf from TPU.

 

 

Their conclusion piece.

 

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Averaged over our whole 25-game test suite at 4K resolution, with RT off, we find the Radeon RX 7900 XTX 4% faster than the GeForce RTX 4080. While that definitely falls short of AMD's own projections, it's still a tremendous result. The differences between individual games are huge, in some titles the XTX is 20% faster than the 4080, in others it's 20% slower. I've added a new chart at the end of the "Relative Performance" page, to break that down for you. Depending on the game selection, you can easily get an average of +10% for the XTX, it all comes down to what titles you're playing (or benching as reviewer). At the end of the day I'd say RTX 4080 and RX 7900 XTX will both give you an amazing gameplay experience, especially if you don't look at FPS counters all day.

Compared to RTX 3090 Ti, the last-generation flagship, the RX 7900 XTX is 19% faster, wow! The performance increase over the Radeon RX 6900 XT and 6800 XT is 47% and 58%, respectively. The mighty GeForce RTX 4090 is 22% faster than the RX 7900 XTX, at more than twice the cost right now. Today AMD has also released the RX 7900 XT, that card is 16% slower than the XTX, at 4K, at lower resolutions the gap is considerably smaller.
 

It's also possible that the press driver isn't fully optimized for all our games yet. RDNA3 introduces new dual-issue compute units, which require special code optimization, so that they can achieve the +100% performance uplift. In briefings AMD has made it clear they have been optimizing the driver for the new units, and I'm sure a lot of work has already been done in the compiler, but I'm just as certain that there's some cases where hand-optimization can yield further benefits. During testing I also encountered crashes in AC:Valhalla and Elden Ring, no doubt these will be fixed soon.

 

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We measured a shocking power consumption result for multi-monitor and media playback. Here, just the graphics card alone consumes 103 W and 88 W, respectively. This is way too high, RTX 4080 uses only 20-23 W in the same scenario, even the last generation RDNA2 cards were less than half that with 40 W. This can only be some sort of driver bug, because it basically disqualifies the new Radeons for multi-monitor use. Remember, this is idle sitting at the desktop, not gaming. Wasting that much power is simply a big no-no, especially in these times. AMD has had a long history of drawing a lot of power in these power states, so I'm not 100% convinced this really is so easy to fix. I also find it hard to imagine that nobody at AMD tests multi-monitor power draw, so in some meeting somewhere, someone decided "we will release it like that."

 

7900XTX is already winning over 4080. And over the time it will more and with higher VRAM at 16GB of 4080 vs 24GB of 7900XTX esp with future high texture fidelity from UE5 and other newer generation Engines and Driver optimization throughout the entire life of the GPU (not 1 year or 2 years but more than 4 years).

 

The major issue is lack of 4090 competition. 6900XT can defeat 3090 and even beat 3090Ti in 1080P/1440P, 6950XT for 3090Ti across almost all Rasterization workloads it repeats for entire RDNA2 vs Ampere lineup from bottom to top end and proof is in the pudding, 6800XT wrecking havoc on 3070Ti for same price (irl the actual GPU is 6800 competition), but in RT they suffered. Again RT is a joke at this point to have some useless Reflections, Shadows (Instead of RTGI - only 2 titles Cyberpunk 2020 & Metro Exodus EE, still not a major visual overhaul) to drool over and get a 30-50% perf drop and enable the Console class "Reconstruction" Tech. DLSS(3) and FSR(3) are garbage technologies that should have exist in the PC space, because all it has with Upscaling, Shimmering, Ghosting, Flickering and bonus with newer fake frame tech Latency, Garbage frame data and inability to apply to UI elements in the game, it's a negative regressive technology that Nvidia sells (soon AMD) to make people "Think" they are getting higher FPS at the expense of fake frames which are not even rendered and have higher latency.

 

Still if one insists the 7900XTX RT performance is at 3090Ti level, which is a surprise, I was expecting it to be at 3080 level. Shame really I do not really understand why not damn clock at high OR at-least put a massive silicon die like Nvidia, with a massive die from AMD (7900XTX - 306mm2 GCD + 37.5 mm2 x6 total 533mm2)  it can beat 4090 (600mm2) in Rasterization but no we won't says AMD for some weird BS reason, annoying why the heck not get a powerful potent monster why keep holding back esp when TSMC 5N yield rate is top notch.

 

Ultimately since no counter to top end, expect 4090Ti to have $2000 MSRP (already in EU for 4080 16GB AIB, as 4090 is 2500 Euros, and with 4090Ti at such high MSRP in USD you can expect $3000 cards soon in EU). RIP.

 

Now that said, about that Hardware Unboxed title it seems like it failed in the 4080 performance to most of the users who prefer Nvidia but that's not the case because it beats 4080 clearly, instead what he is saying is how AMD's official numbers and the performance graphs many estimated the performance to be almost near 4090 is not what it seems like more than 50%+ vs RDNA2 or such, although AMD gave only a few titles not across the board, well shrugs. Nvidia also did the same though, BS 2-4X perf in their PR deck and all sorts of nonsense with Ada debut vs Ampere.

 

All in all a pretty powerful GPU for those who do not want to deal with 16Pin BS nonsense, esp lower footprint too (won't sag your mobo or be a PITA to deal with in the Rig), good GPU performance at all resolutions (unlike RDNA2 only up until 1080P/1440P no 4K while 7000 RDNA3 can take on 4K thanks to new Cache and higher Memory). But again this higher GPU pricing is the result of Nvidia raising prices and then AMD following with higher price increases. However I would suggest like always NEVER buy any PC tech in it's infancy of announcement, wait for price cuts be it with GPU, CPU, Mobos, RAM.

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

Wow... still down?!? Seems like something more than "service enhancements" because it is taking a crazy long time. Wonder what the deal is? Maybe trying to keep the lid on something they don't want exposed for discussion in their forum? Or, maybe a mishap that wiped everything out? Neither one would be good.

 

[electrosoft]

My takeaway of the 7900xtx reviews I've watched so far.....

 

AMD was perceived as being conservative in their performance expectations. I think they could have went a tad bit more conservative. Nowhere do we see meaningful overall AMD predicted uplifts versus even their own last gen 6900xt/6950xt. On average ~35-40% better than the 6950xt.....

 

Remember when people were extrapolating based on AMD performance charts and had the 7900xtx basically matching a 4090 in CP2077? Yeah.....that didn't age well.

 

4090 is just miles ahead of everything especially at 4k. It is in a total class of its own.

 

7900xtx trades blows quite nicely overall and in some situations even competes with the 4090 in pockets. Once you look at synthetics you realize much of it is particular game optimizations giving you the illusion the 7900xtx is more than it is based on certain games. Of course if those are the games you happen to play that purr with the 7900xtx then that's the card for you.

 

The results are all over the map but in classic AMD fashion we will see driver optimizations and updates aplenty especially with this new architectural approach. The variance in performance especially when many comparisons put it barely ahead of even the 6950xt is pretty wide. It is a card that will just get better and better with driver updates ala Intel with ARC.

 

RT improvements putting it in 3090ti land are quite impressive....of course then the 4090 just steps on its throat.

 

Funny seeing power consumption per frame the 4090 and 4080 are much more energy efficient than the 7900xtx. I wonder if the same AMD fans who would just dump all over Nvidia for being so power hungry will be as accepting being on the other side this time?

 

Cost per frame (Raster only) the 7900xtx is the clear winner versus every AMD and Nvidia card out there both Ampere, RDNA2 along with Ada and RDNA3 except the 6800/XT. I see Nvidia addressing that with the 4080. 4090? You want the best you pay for the best.

 

If you have a 3090/ti or 6900xt/50xt class card it is really hard to justify dropping $1000-1200+ on a 7900xtx/4080.

 

Nvidia being Nvidia should have made the 4090ti = 4090, 4090=4080, 4080=4070ti, 4070ti=4070 but greed is good (In my Michael Douglas voice). You know either an ultra expensive 4090ti is in the pipeline or a Titan class based off the same full fat die.

 

 

 

Overall, it is a worthy competitor of the 4080 beating it on average in rasterization overall and at least trying to stay on the field with RT. Overall the 4080 is the superior product though. Again, 4090 is off in its own world of domination.

 

Personally? If Nvidia dropped the 4080 to $1k or less, I would pick the 4080 over the 7900xtx. I think overall though both the 4080 and 7900xtx should be around 800-900 tops.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, Rage Set said:

@electrosoft I agree with you. The A770 is a very sexy card. Intel shown a lot of skill with the design of this card. The materials used alone make me wonder if they are losing money on these cards. I've never seen such high build quality on a $350 card. 

 

Installation was short and simple. I'm using it on a 11900K gaming rig and so far, it appears to be working normally. I haven't tried overclocking it yet. Right now I'm running all of my benchmarks at stock and once I'm satisfied, I'll start overclocking. 

 

Right? As soon as I removed the card from the box and was turning it over and over I was impressed with the build quality and feel in my hands. Installing and booting it up just took it to the next level. I was just on my wife's system helping her with some work configs and I looked over at it just going, "That is such a beautiful card....man...."

 

Let me know if you run into any hiccups. Compared to August drivers with the A380, performance and UI improvements are like night and day.