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1 hour ago, tps3443 said:


I’m with you on that one. I feel the moment inching closer when I launch newly released game that I love to play, and it brings my 3090 to its knees so bad, I’m forced to replace it lol. That will probably be the moment I break down and order a 4090. 

 

With your setup, I'd love to see you push a 4090 at 1440p and 4k to see if it can bottleneck your CPU.

 

 

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3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

In the end, a bottom barrel 4090 is $1600.

 

How you choose to pay an AIB tax is on you but both Hybrid and air cooled ($1799 / $1719) are going to cost you even if you niggle over a $100 here or there the cards are expensive (and don't forget your friendly sales tax).

 

And of course there is always the "Well I wanted it so I'm buying it," factor (See: KPE 3090TI) and life is too short to fret sometimes and meant to be enjoyed in the moment. I was reminded of this recently from a loved one who passed away who told me, "Life is short. Eat the cake. Take the Trip. Buy the toy. Never shy away from leisurely pursuits. Enjoy life."

 

I pinch pennies everywhere else and try to maximize buy/sell of hardware to offset accepted losses of liking tech; but I know what brings me joy in regards to my leisurely pursuits and it's tech so when able I hit the buy button and enjoy it in the here and now even as I weigh the pros and cons before, during and after. 🙂

I agree with some qualifying caveats like living within your means. I think it is not a matter of if, but when, I decide to waste money on a 4090. The temptation is constant, but I am attempting to temper that with good sense and think about what, if any, actual real benefit I would realize from the expense. I need to convince myself that the degree of pleasure in having it will be enough to justify the spend.

 

There is no reason (other than temptation) to feel like I "need" to hurry up and spend money.  I am somewhat apprehensive about spending a crapload of money and ending up being disappointed and running out of things to do with it in 60-90 days. I see a fair bit of information suggesting that the overclocking capacity isn't remarkably different, even stunted, among the variety of models and price options due to the idotic lack of voltage adjustment that all of them are crippled by. I don't care about having "normal" 4090 benchmark scores. For example, I'd rather have impressive A770 benchmarks score that distiguish me from other A770 owners rather than achieving status quo mediocrity with a 4090.

 

But, I am not going to settle on a crummy sample. What I am finding difficult is to understand the differences in build quality between them because the information is not being presented clearly and documentation available is inadequate for making an informed buying decision. If the idea behind going with a 4090 is gaming I think it doesn't matter... just get the cheapest one you can and move on. Because my sole intent is overclocking and benching, it actually does matter. I keep narrowing it down after watching YouTube teardown videos and manually counting phases, etc. I can always just cross-flash a vBIOS for a higher power limit or a tad extra default voltage so the firmware power limit or the stock boost clock isn't tremendously important to me.

 

I've got it narrowed down to a few acceptable options and basically rejecting everything else as a possiblity at this point. Unless my perspective changes for some reason, the only acceptable choices right now are (in order of preference):

  1. MSI 4090 Suprim X (liquid or air - cheapest of) - 30 phases / memory current 280; max current 1820
  2. NVIDIA 4090 FE - 23 phases / memory current 210; max current 1400
  3. Zotac 4090 AIRO - 28 phases / memory current 220; max current 1320 
  4. Colorful 4090 Vulcan OC-V (same specs as Zotac AIRO but probably will never be available in the US)
  5. ROG 4090 Strix OC - 28 phases / memory current 280; max current 1680 (excellent specs on this one, but last on my list due to not liking ASUS or their crappy warranty support and ludicrous overpricing)
  6. TBD - Gigabutt 4090 AORUS Master (need more detail on this one. Could potentially move up to spot 2 or 3)

It is ridiculous that this information has to be harvested manually and I can't help but think there is some kind of nefarious intent driving the lack of disclosure among all AIBs and NVIDIA. I am glad this person already went to the effort. RTX 4090 VRM meta-analysis and FE/AIB comparison

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22 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I agree with that with some qualifying caveats like living within your means. I think it is not a matter of if, but when, I decide to waste money on a 4090. The temptation is constant, but I am attempting to temper that with good sense and think about what, if any, actual real benefit I would realize from the expense. I need to convince myself that the degree of pleasure in having it will be enough to justify the spend.

 

There is no reason (other than temptation) to feel like I "need" to hurry up and spend money.  I am somewhat apprehensive about spending a crapload of money and ending up being disappointed and running out of things to do with it in 60-90 days. I see a fair bit of information suggesting that the overclocking capacity isn't remarkably different, even stunted, among the variety of models and price options due to the idotic lack of voltage adjustment that all of them are crippled by.

 

But, I am not going to settle on a crummy sample. What I am finding difficult is to understand the differences in build quality between them because the information is not being presented clearly and documentation available is inadequate for making an informed buying decision. If the idea behind going with a 4090 is gaming I think it doesn't matter... just get the cheapest one you can and move on. Because my sole intent is overclocking and benching, it actually does matter. I keep narrowing it down after watching YouTube teardown videos and manually counting phases, etc. I can always just cross-flash a vBIOS for a higher power limit or a tad extra default voltage so the firmware power limit or the stock boost clock isn't tremendously important to me.

 

I've got it narrowed down to a few acceptable options and basically rejecting everything else as a possiblity at this point. Unless my perspective changes for some reason, the only acceptable choices right now are (in order of preference):

  1. MSI 4090 Suprim X (liquid or air - cheapest of) - 30 phases / memory current 280; max current 1820
  2. NVIDIA 4090 FE - 23 phases / memory current 210; max current 1400
  3. Zotac 4090 AIRO - 28 phases / memory current 220; max current 1320 
  4. Colorful 4090 Vulcan OC-V (same specs as Zotac AIRO but probably will never be available in the US)
  5. ROG 4090 Strix OC - 28 phases / memory current 280; max current 1680 (excellent specs on this one, but last on my list due to not liking ASUS or their crappy warranty support and ludicrous overpricing)
  6. TBD - Gigabutt 4090 AORUS Master (need more detail on this one. Could potentially move up to spot 2 or 3)

It is ridiculous that this information has to be harvested manually and I can't help but think there is some kind of nefarious intent driving the lack of disclosure among all AIBs and NVIDIA. I am glad this person already went to the effort. RTX 4090 VRM meta-analysis and FE/AIB comparison

 

Can't argue with this.

 

It is good to see cards coming into and staying in stock.

 

The other day it was the Gigabyte 4090 in stock all day at Newegg. Now, hours later, the MSI 4090 Liquid X is still in stock sold and shipped by NE.

 

On Best Buy it took 4-5 hours to sell out of the 4090 TUF. I even had a Strix 4090 in my cart before I jettisoned it for its $2k price point. Just nice to be able to add and even buy various 4090s fairly easy now and we're not even to my February 2023 check in prediction.

 

4090 models routinely coming into stock at NE

4080  all in stock at NE

4070ti all in stock at NE

7900xt most in stock at NE

7900xtx still barely in stock (if at all) at NE.

 

If this was the Crypto boom times all of these would still be out of stock and gone in seconds.

 

That list looks about the same for myself too especially top two which were my original US picks. No Zotac for myself. Definitely like the Colorful (and Neptune 4090). ROG 4090 is nice too just not at $2k.

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Can't argue with this.

 

It is good to see cards coming into and staying in stock.

 

The other day it was the Gigabyte 4090 in stock all day at Newegg. Now, hours later, the MSI 4090 Liquid X is still in stock sold and shipped by NE.

 

On Best Buy it took 4-5 hours to sell out of the 4090 TUF. I even had a Strix 4090 in my cart before I jettisoned it for its $2k price point. Just nice to be able to add and even buy various 4090s fairly easy now and we're not even to my February 2023 check in prediction.

 

4090 models routinely coming into stock at NE

4080  all in stock at NE

4070ti all in stock at NE

7900xt most in stock at NE

7900xtx still barely in stock (if at all) at NE.

 

If this was the Crypto boom times all of these would still be out of stock and gone in seconds.

 

That list looks about the same for myself too especially top two which were my original US picks. No Zotac for myself. Definitely like the Colorful (and Neptune 4090). ROG 4090 is nice too just not at $2k.

I am looking for more technical details on the 4090 Aorus Master. That sucker has a HUGE air cooler on it, probably the best air cooler available anywhere. I have no idea what it has under the hood, or if it even has anything worth writing home about.

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17 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am looking for more technical details on the 4090 Aorus Master. That sucker has a HUGE air cooler on it, probably the best air cooler available anywhere. I have no idea what it has under the hood, or if it even has anything worth writing home about.

 

The Aorus Master line is their top of the line air cooled models. I actually love the LCD screen and build of them. That was the 3070 I had and it ran crazy cool and no whine. I'd be curious to see if they bump it up. I wonder if it uses the same PCB as their Waterforce line of hybrid cards? https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-4090-gv-n4090aorusx-w-24gd/p/N82E16814932556?Item=N82E16814932556&Description=4090&cm_re=4090-_-14-932-556-_-Product

 

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

The Aorus Master line is their top of the line air cooled models. I actually love the LCD screen and build of them. That was the 3070 I had and it ran crazy cool and no whine. I'd be curious to see if they bump it up. I wonder if it uses the same PCB as their Waterforce line of hybrid cards? https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-4090-gv-n4090aorusx-w-24gd/p/N82E16814932556?Item=N82E16814932556&Description=4090&cm_re=4090-_-14-932-556-_-Product

 

 

 

 

I am not sure. Nothing published is clear on 40-series, and looks are often deceiving.

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59 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am not sure. Nothing published is clear on 40-series, and looks are often deceiving.

 

Well NorthridgeFix did a repair on an Aorus 4090 whatever you can extract from this video:

 

 

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7 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

Laptops or desktops? If the former then I would agree, but really it's just a matter of expectations. If you expect a lightweight device to use on the go, then you might find something worthwhile on the market, pricing aside. If you expect an awesome high-end, desktop-beating main driver then at the high end it's a resounding lol

Laptops.

 

Pricing aside is becoming harder to ignore, though thats not strictly the products fault. Many contributing factors.

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31 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Well NorthridgeFix did a repair on an Aorus 4090 whatever you can extract from this video:

 

 

Yes, that was the video I referenced in reply to Brother @Rage Set but there are not any good views of the PCB. As best I can tell trying to judge by bumps in the thermal pads from far away it looks like it's probably 28 phases. But, I wouldn't swear to it. It sucks that he could not get the correct socket and soldered one on that will not work.

 

I'm also not understanding how the owner of that card managed to break it off the motherboard unless they were like a bull in a china cabinet. 

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5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

TBD - Gigabutt 4090 AORUS Master (need more detail on this one. Could potentially move up to spot 2 or 3)

 

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am not sure. Nothing published is clear on 40-series, and looks are often deceiving.

Whats the point with all the power phases when the cards crap out at around 3000MHz? At least Der8auer lost in the silicon lottery for his 4090 AORUS Master review sample. And 3015MHz is about as low you can get. Then you have the software... One of the worst out there?

 

 

 

For me... I don't put any 4090 card in the shopping cart. Because the 4090 Strix OC is still difficult to get.

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Whats the point with all the power phases when the cards crap out at around 3000MHz? At least Der8auer lost in the silicon lottery for his 4090 AORUS Master review sample. And 3015MHz is about as low you can get. Then you have the software... One of the worst out there?

 

 

I might do an Elmore voltage mod at some point and would want something overbuilt.

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I might do an Elmore voltage mod at some point and would want something overbuilt.

Yep, but have to feed excessively voltage to be able to reach clocks the cheaper cards can run at default voltage is just sad. Remember you pay massive premium for the higher bin.  But didn't say you have to go with the cheaper cards with the cheapest made power delivery. Cheap always come at a price that "reflect why it's so cheap".

 

Edit. Forgot to say my Gigabyte GTX 1070 G1 Gaming is dead. And Gigabyte always go with at least two revisions for their HW within short time. I wouldn't jump right on a newly released graphics cards from Gigabyte. Nope, not me. 

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3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I agree with some qualifying caveats like living within your means. I think it is not a matter of if, but when, I decide to waste money on a 4090. The temptation is constant, but I am attempting to temper that with good sense and think about what, if any, actual real benefit I would realize from the expense. I need to convince myself that the degree of pleasure in having it will be enough to justify the spend.

 

There is no reason (other than temptation) to feel like I "need" to hurry up and spend money.  I am somewhat apprehensive about spending a crapload of money and ending up being disappointed and running out of things to do with it in 60-90 days. I see a fair bit of information suggesting that the overclocking capacity isn't remarkably different, even stunted, among the variety of models and price options due to the idotic lack of voltage adjustment that all of them are crippled by. I don't care about having "normal" 4090 benchmark scores. For example, I'd rather have impressive A770 benchmarks score that distiguish me from other A770 owners rather than achieving status quo mediocrity with a 4090.

 

But, I am not going to settle on a crummy sample. What I am finding difficult is to understand the differences in build quality between them because the information is not being presented clearly and documentation available is inadequate for making an informed buying decision. If the idea behind going with a 4090 is gaming I think it doesn't matter... just get the cheapest one you can and move on. Because my sole intent is overclocking and benching, it actually does matter. I keep narrowing it down after watching YouTube teardown videos and manually counting phases, etc. I can always just cross-flash a vBIOS for a higher power limit or a tad extra default voltage so the firmware power limit or the stock boost clock isn't tremendously important to me.

 

I've got it narrowed down to a few acceptable options and basically rejecting everything else as a possiblity at this point. Unless my perspective changes for some reason, the only acceptable choices right now are (in order of preference):

  1. MSI 4090 Suprim X (liquid or air - cheapest of) - 30 phases / memory current 280; max current 1820
  2. NVIDIA 4090 FE - 23 phases / memory current 210; max current 1400
  3. Zotac 4090 AIRO - 28 phases / memory current 220; max current 1320 
  4. Colorful 4090 Vulcan OC-V (same specs as Zotac AIRO but probably will never be available in the US)
  5. ROG 4090 Strix OC - 28 phases / memory current 280; max current 1680 (excellent specs on this one, but last on my list due to not liking ASUS or their crappy warranty support and ludicrous overpricing)
  6. TBD - Gigabutt 4090 AORUS Master (need more detail on this one. Could potentially move up to spot 2 or 3)

It is ridiculous that this information has to be harvested manually and I can't help but think there is some kind of nefarious intent driving the lack of disclosure among all AIBs and NVIDIA. I am glad this person already went to the effort. RTX 4090 VRM meta-analysis and FE/AIB comparison

 

While we have had poor luck with Asus mobos, I will say I have never had issues with an Asus GPU (even the TUF series). From the 1080 TI up to the 3090, they were good to great. It just so happened to be beaten by a KP card. 

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27 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

While we have had poor luck with Asus mobos, I will say I have never had issues with an Asus GPU (even the TUF series). From the 1080 TI up to the 3090, they were good to great. It just so happened to be beaten by a KP card. 

I'm never owned an Asus GPU. I have had zero problems with their cheaper mobos like Strix and Prime. I just don't like them as a company or their sucky warranty service. If I'm given the option between their brand and something equivalent in a competing brand I'm just more inclined to choose the alternative. I'd consider buying a Strix 4090 if it were cheaper, but I don't like the idea of paying a lot extra for something that's not going to give me a lot extra, or the idea having to fart around arguing with crooked bastards that don't want to honor their warranty if something goes wrong with their overpriced piece of crap.

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The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second.

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1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Yep, but have to feed excessively voltage to be able to reach clocks the cheaper cards can run at default voltage is just sad. Remember you pay massive premium for the higher bin.  But didn't say you have to go with the cheaper cards with the cheapest made power delivery. Cheap always come at a price that "reflect why it's so cheap".

 

Edit. Forgot to say my Gigabyte GTX 1070 G1 Gaming is dead. And Gigabyte always go with at least two revisions for their HW within short time. I wouldn't jump right on a newly released graphics cards from Gigabyte. Nope, not me. 

Yes I'm not into playing cheap stuff either. The cliche that you get what you pay for doesn't always apply to expensive items but it always applies to cheap items. And I don't mind spending extra for something awesome if it's actually going to be awesome.

 

I've never really liked Gigabutt or their product offerings and I would absolutely approach the idea of buying something from them with some level of fear and trepidation. I've always been happy with Asus products until they failed and put me in a position where I had to deal with their product support nitwits and their crappy warranty service. I'm always quick to forgive mistakes, but I don't have any respect for companies that are dishonest and look for opportunities to shirk their contractual obligations. I think Asus is that kind of sorry outfit. I have no respect for them just as I have none for the Redmond Reprobates. The contempt I have for them was created by their unacceptable behavior.

 

It probably makes no sense in the grand scheme of things to believe that any company from China, the enemy of the free world, is worthy of trust or respect. It is unfortunate that any economic dependency on them exists. Cheap slave labor is profitable for greed-driven companies.

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38 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes I'm not into playing cheap stuff either. The cliche that you get what you pay for doesn't always apply to expensive items but it always applies to cheap items. And I don't mind spending extra for something awesome if it's actually going to be awesome.

 

$13,600 is a lot for a small box with some modern bling bling. Yep, some nice HW but the price doesn't always match what you are willing to pay. But some will buy it anyway. 

 

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$13,600 for a small box with some bling bling. Yep, some nice HW but the price doesn't always match what you are willing to pay. But some will buy it anyway. 

 

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That is an extreme example of an overpriced cheap product. There will never be a shortage on stupidity. The decimal point is off one digit too far to the right on that jokebox.

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19 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

That is an extreme example of an overpriced cheap product. There will never be a shortage on stupidity. The decimal point is off one digit too far the the right on that jokebox.

The bling bling + custom-made distro plates probably push the whole parts package into 5000$ territory with the included EU tax. But i could get a nice looking pc with same Cpu and Gpu + a nice looking used car for the price they want. And this here in tax hell. I had to be drunk near to dead if I would open my wallets for this. What a nightmare to wake up from the day after you have pushed on the trigger and bought it🤯

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Whats the point with all the power phases when the cards crap out at around 3000MHz? At least Der8auer lost in the silicon lottery for his 4090 AORUS Master review sample. And 3015MHz is about as low you can get. Then you have the software... One of the worst out there?

 

 

 

For me... I don't put any 4090 card in the shopping cart. Because the 4090 Strix OC is still difficult to get.

 

 

Papu to the rescue as always with the links. 🙂

 

 

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4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

That is an extreme example of an overpriced cheap product. There will never be a shortage on stupidity. The decimal point is off one digit too far the the right on that jokebox.

Here's the ads video of the small 8Pack Asteroid mini box. You are sure you won't be tempted?😀 

 

 

 

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Papu to the rescue as always with the links. 🙂

 

 

My  pleasure bro electro 🙂

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Not sure if this has been posted, but...... miners still trying to have the last laugh.

Video is not in English though, but you can see what he does and get the general idea.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Cryptominers-are-selling-used-GPUs-as-new-with-repainted-VRAM-chips.685588.0.html

 

 

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6 hours ago, johnksss said:

Not sure if this has been posted, but...... miners still trying to have the last laugh.

Video is not in English though, but you can see what he does and get the general idea.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Cryptominers-are-selling-used-GPUs-as-new-with-repainted-VRAM-chips.685588.0.html

People that do things like this, and worse, make me wish I had chosen being a vigilante as my career path. They don't deserve the air that they breathe and it would be great if they never got any more of it. I'd take this one pro bono, LOL.

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