*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

16 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

That's a huge stretch. This is referring to comparison between different implementations/designs/manufacturing processes. For instance, you could have a cryptominer ASIC designed using different components or implemented using  different fabrication processes etc. Here, we are talking about effectively fairly minute differences in quality between otherwise identical ICs due to the binning process which are all within specification tolerance, and again: GPUs are not ASICs in the first place so that really precludes "ASIC quality" from being applicable. That is just the key confusion here. 

That's the thing though. There is no confusion in the minds of the people having the conversation. Whether or not it was the best terminology to select is certainly open to debate or criticism, and it could be confusing to someone that is unfamiliar with the topic. It's too late to go back to 2012 or whenever that started and undo the use of the term now. If you referred to it in another way today, nobody would know what you are talking about because the precedent is already established.

 

If I am in Germany and say "nein" it sounds (phoenitically) like a number between eight and ten, but I am saying "no" (not "neun" the Germany word for nine, and pronouced almost the same) and it is only understood in the context of my response and knowledge of the language I am speaking. (I am being silly here, I know, and that is my intent.)

28 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It could have been called anything, really. It could have been called the "Crapification Factor" or "GPU Trash Rating" LOL. In both of these cases, a lower score would be better than a higher score.

 

[Etern4l]

57 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

That's the thing though. There is no confusion in the minds of the people having the conversation. Whether or not it was the best terminology to select is certainly open to debate or criticism, and it could be confusing to someone that is unfamiliar with the topic. It's too late to go back to 2012 or whenever that started and undo the use of the term now.

 

If I am in Germany and say "nein" it sounds (phoenitically) like a number between eight and ten, but I am saying "no" (not "neun" the Germany word for nine, and pronouced almost the same) and it is only understood in the context of my response and knowledge of the language I am speaking. (I am being silly here, I know, and that is my intent.)

 

 

Yes, in the language of gamers and benchers, "ASIC quality" appears to be as unambiguous as it is wrong ;) 

BTW nein and neun are normally pronounced fairly differently, so context doesn't really matter, unless you are in the Swiss Alps or something lol

 

It's more that the gamers effectively developed a slang term here. If you announced "I've got Ace of Spades" in East London when not playing cards, it would likely be understood that your HIV has sadly progressed to AIDS now, while any non-cockney people present (poker players in particular) would just scratch their heads or start inspecting your sleeves. The example is not quite on point though, because most people know very well what both an ace of spades are AIDS are, whereas the problem here is that gamers don't really know what an the term "ASIC" means. At a risk of an exaggeration, it's like if gamers used the term "quantum superposition" to refer to the  "Superposition" benchmark. 

[Mr. Fox]

On 1/28/2023 at 1:12 AM, electrosoft said:

So I've been playing with my two MSI Liquid Suprim X 4090s this evening for 3-4hrs... the Best Buy one is definitely worse than the Newegg one I picked up and will be going back ASAP. I'm more than good with the Newegg one.

 

Best buy one = worse boost clocks, worse OC, worse memory OC by a mile, insane coil whine like my bud's Suprim X aircooled model (which at least boosts ~2790 stock).

 

I know it is only guaranteed to hit 2625mhz out of the box but wow.....Feels like my first KPE 3090 out of box clocks all over again on the Best Buy one. For stock, out of the box gaming they're both doing as a 4090 should do but the overclock difference and coil whine is very distinct.

 

Both cards w/ fans 100%, Slider to max (10% (!) ).

Both cards hitting MSI Vbios power limit of ~530w

 

12900k e cores are off, clocks synced to 5.3 all core.

 

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New Egg: (No coil whine till >200fps and then very minor)

 

Out of box game clocks = 2820-2835

Max Mem +1500 (+1575 for benching with some mild artifacting. >+1575 = twinkle city and crash)

Max GPU +225

Max reported clock = 3060 w/ OC

Max board power draw = ~533w

Max temp = ~57c

Hot spot = ~73c

Mem = ~60c

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Best Buy: (Screaming banshee even at 100fps....holy terror at >200fps)

 

Out of box game clocks = 2700-2715 (?)

Max Mem +700 (+750 for benching with some mild artifacting. >+750 = twinkle city and crash)

Max GPU +150

Max reported clock = 2875 w/ OC

Max board power draw = ~533w

Max temp = ~58.5c

Hot spot = ~75c

Mem = ~62c

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Here is the Newegg card in action:

 

 

Does this unlock your voltage slider for the additional 100mV? If so, have you tested it to see if it works?

 

[Papusan]

12 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Does this unlock your voltage slider for the additional 100mV? If so, have you tested it to see if it works?

 

I had to install the beta version of Afterburner for activation of the voltage slider. And I mean you only got 50mv for 1.100v. And only God/Nvidia knows how long it will last. None know when Nvidia will change their mind and remove this option in coming drivers😂 Could be they did it wrong for 4000 series cards. But only put it there as option if AMD become a treat. 

[Mr. Fox]

https://hwbot.org/submission/5187310 | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88209265

[Mr. Fox]

https://hwbot.org/submission/5187315_ | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88209742

[Mr. Fox]

https://hwbot.org/submission/5187322_ | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88182771

[Mr. Fox]

https://hwbot.org/submission/5187340 | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88212231

GPU Score: https://hwbot.org/submission/5187355 | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88212231

[Mr. Fox]

3DMark 11 Physics Score https://hwbot.org/submission/5187366 | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/15562679

[Mr. Fox]

  

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Mr. Fox`s Cinebench - R23 Multi Core with BenchMate score: 44871 cb with a Core i9 13900K

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The Core i9 13900K @ 5900MHzscores getScoreFormatted in the Cinebench - R23 Multi Core with BenchMate benchmark. Mr. Foxranks #38 worldwide and #27 in the hardware class. Find out more at HWBOT.

 

 

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Mr. Fox`s Cinebench - R20 score: 17043 cb with a Core i9 13900K

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The Core i9 13900K @ 5828.3MHzscores getScoreFormatted in the Cinebench - R20 benchmark. Mr. Foxranks #38 worldwide and #29 in the hardware class. Find out more at HWBOT.

 

[ryan]

im new to cpu benchmarking, but doesnt that say you are number 3 in the world>? if so. impressive

 

what does it mean? number 1 with 3dmark 11? or 1st with 13900k

[Mr. Fox]

12 minutes ago, ryan said:

im new to cpu benchmarking, but doesnt that say you are number 3 in the world>? if so. impressive

 

what does it mean? number 1 with 3dmark 11? or 1st with 13900k

Look closely at the screenshot from HWBOT with the ranking. There is a ranking for same CPU and a ranking for core count, and a third ranking for all CPUs. Same logic applies to GPUs. 

 

 

[ryan]

is it collective though? like is it from a highest score or from the total times benchmarked like a certain amount of points each time..

 

It says your 1st out of 4? core i9 rank is what out of 4 people like it doesnt say much.

 

 

and if it is what it is. then sponsorship must be close

[Mr. Fox]

45 minutes ago, ryan said:

is it collective though? like is it from a highest score or from the total times benchmarked like a certain amount of points each time..

 

It says your 1st out of 4? core i9 rank is what out of 4 people like it doesnt say much.

 

and if it is what it is. then sponsorship must be close

The 3rd place out of 1426 submissions regardless of core count is certainly more meaningful than the hardware specific results. As people lose interest in benching--partly due to garbage tech, partly due to consumer ignorance, partly due to rigged scenarios with sponsors providing cherry-picked parts to chosen subjects and leaderboard politics--placement on the leaderboard is rapidly losing significance. It's a dying sport because of shifting priorities and probably the need for deliberate stealthy grooming of public opinion to distract consumers from the degradation of performance that goes with that territory. Thin, light, low-power have been made popular with a self-adoring population that excludes differing priorities.

 

It is also worth mentioning that in most CPU and many memory-intensive workloads, Windows 7 steals the show. Windows 8.X, 10 and 11 are harmful to CPU performance. It is very difficult to match physics performance tests like those in 3DMark 11, Sky Diver, wPrime and Cinebench if you are competing against Windows 7 running a newer OS. In spite of the rhetoric about Windows 11 alleged thread scheduling superiority, it's not enough to close the gap. I do not think it is a coincidence that UL/3DMark is categorizing benchmarks like 3DMark 11 and Sky Diver as obsolete/no longer supported. It's because newer OSes can't compete when CPU performance is important to the outcome. It is not because they are no longer relevant from a graphics performance perspective because lots of modern games still use DX11, and lots of people still enjoy older games that use DX11 (and DX9, DX10 for that matter). So, it's ludicrous to take the position that it is not relevant. It's also an interesting "coincidence" that Cinebench R23 was deliberately/conveniently made to not run on Windows 7. 

[Papusan]

Nice results bro Fox 🙂 But is this below tempting? At least 2500$ for 10% more cuda cores and same amount vrm(slightly faster variant) as the 1600$ 4090 FE. Same Board power is just the icing on the cake.

 

 

What about a castrated 4090Ti. Still Cut-down AD102 silicon(slightly less castrated than for 4090), Same amount vram to try reduce power consumption, one wimpy 16-power connector because the top dog ADA gamer card will get same max board power as the weaker 4090. One instead of two 16-power connectors reduce costs.  Whats the point? Only to show greed have no limits? Yep, just rumors but not unlikely this will be final results coming from the green goblins.

 

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Ti rumored to feature 18176 cores and 24GB/24Gbps memory
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-ti-rumored-to-feature-18176-cores-and-24gb-24gbps-memory

[Mr. Fox]

26 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Nice results bro Fox 🙂

Thank you. It's getting more difficult to enjoy the sport for reasons such as what you mentioned (quoted below).

26 minutes ago, Papusan said:

But is this below tempting? At least 2500$ for 10% more cuda cores and same amount vrm(slightly faster variant) as the 1600$ 4090 FE. Same Board power is just the icing on the cake.

Tempting if you are a silly person. We often lean in the direction of silly when it comes to the strange compulsion to be on top when, at the end of the day, being a winner gets you nothing but a thinner wallet. Unless you are among the chosen elite that get cherry-picked products for free to facilitate marketing propaganda, then it's someone else's wallet.

[ryan]

51 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

chosen elite that get cherry-picked products for free to facilitate marketing propaganda, then it's someone else's wallet.

thats the absolute truth/ I watched a video on Biso Biso and he had the highest quality binned gpu, best area to work, free liquid nitrogen, and a group of YES men. he had everything, literally everything on a gold platter. lucky him

[Mr. Fox]

In case anyone has experienced the same log-in failures I have at HWBOT Community, this might be useful.

 

 New login procedure for HWBOT Forum

 

[ryan]

when lower temps with pascal plus gpus drops score and performance...nuff said

 

 

[electrosoft]

15 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Does this unlock your voltage slider for the additional 100mV? If so, have you tested it to see if it works?

 

 

14 hours ago, Papusan said:

I had to install the beta version of Afterburner for activation of the voltage slider. And I mean you only got 50mv for 1.100v. And only God/Nvidia knows how long it will last. None know when Nvidia will change their mind and remove this option in coming drivers😂 Could be they did it wrong for 4000 series cards. But only put it there as option if AMD become a treat. 

 

I tried it with the official release and as @Papusan pointed out the voltage slider is still locked and running it with settings on did nothing. Which beta version did you run? I'll give it a whirl.

[Papusan]

5 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

I tried it with the official release and as @Papusan pointed out the voltage slider is still locked and running it with settings on did nothing. Which beta version did you run? I'll give it a whirl.

I used an older beta. But this is the newest. Please delete everything from the stable  official release. Full clean up. Wipe out everything.

 

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[electrosoft]

Using the beta version, even though the slider will go to +100 still caps at 1.1 as @papu indicated.

 

Using exact same settings, clocks boosted up to 3135mhz. Board power increased to ~540w. Temps are still in the 50's.

 

[Papusan]

15 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Using the beta version, even though the slider will go to +100 still caps at 1.1 as @papu indicated.

 

Using exact same settings, clocks boosted up to 3135mhz. Board power increased to ~540w. Temps are still in the 50's.

 

Great that you got it to work. If it wasn't for the beta and get it to work... Msi never bother make own new software for tweaking under development of their new flagship. They have totally lost their touch. But be you sure... They will put all eggs into making new software of for bling bling tuning and maybe some gaming tasks features. They isn't very interested in OC'ing. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Using the beta version, even though the slider will go to +100 still caps at 1.1 as @papu indicated.

 

Using exact same settings, clocks boosted up to 3135mhz. Board power increased to ~540w. Temps are still in the 50's.

 

Cool. It sounds like it was a small addition of voltage, but actually enough to make an improvement.

 

You might try the Galax, Zotac and ASUS GPU tuning software to see if it will give you the full 100mV. I would even try Precision X1 to see if it is compatible and what it can do for 4090. Never hurts to try.

 

What are your memory temps looking like? I saw a video that showed the Suprim X Liquid memory temps were high because of the memory chips relying on tabs sticking out from the water block cold plate. They changed to ThermalRight high thermal conductivity thermal pads and shaved about 10°C off of the memory temps. They also moved from 1.0mm to 1.5mm pads (yes, thicker) for the memory ICs. Using thicker pads helped the memory but did not hurt core temps.

 

This is also a good teardown video. The overall build of this GPU is impressive. Some very heavy duty stuff under that aluminum shroud.

 

 

[ryan]

I'm trying to break 9000 gpu score with my 3060. And what seems Neverending is the tweaks trials and errors. I got 8 points to go. And no clue as to what to do as the score fluctuates 20 up 20 down with no changes. I really do respect you guys and envy your patience...I'm maxed out and feel like smashing my turdbook..I'm sooo close to selling it and getting a desktop