*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

43 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Cool. It sounds like it was a small addition of voltage, but actually enough to make an improvement.

 

You might true the Galax, Zotac and ASUS GPU tuning software to see if it will give you the full 100mV. I would even try Precision X1 to see if it is compatible and what it can do for 4090. Never hurts to try.

 

What are your memory temps looking like? I saw a video that showed the Suprim X Liquid memory temps were high because of the memory chips relying on tabs sticking out from the water block cold plate. They changed to ThermalRight high thermal conductivity thermal pads and shaved about 10°C off of the memory temps. They also moved from 1.0mm to 1.5mm pads (yes, thicker) for the memory ICs. Using thicker pads helped the memory but did not hurt core temps.

 

This is also a good teardown video. The overall build of this GPU is impressive. Some very heavy duty stuff under that aluminum shroud.

 

 

I don’t think Nvidia offer higher than 1.100V for 4090. It max out at that voltage. Binned within range of that max voltage. And the high memory temps for some Liquid X cards. Too big variance in build quality. Desktop hardware follows what you get with modern laptop junk nowadays. The trend is here to stay. Awesome is dead!

[cylix]

Its coming. 1999 dollars maybe?

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-ti-20-percent-faster-than-4090-full-ad102-gpu-475w-tgp-3-ghz-clock-rumor/

[ryan]

4 minutes ago, cylix said:

Its coming. 1999 dollars maybe?

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-ti-20-percent-faster-than-4090-full-ad102-gpu-475w-tgp-3-ghz-clock-rumor/

Ohhh now that's exciting..I wonder if we will see a titan that's 40 percent faster than a 4090...would be worth buying granted it's not 4500 bucks..I think the people that went out and bought a 4090 will regret it if a titan drops

[electrosoft]

58 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Cool. It sounds like it was a small addition of voltage, but actually enough to make an improvement.

 

You might true the Galax, Zotac and ASUS GPU tuning software to see if it will give you the full 100mV. I would even try Precision X1 to see if it is compatible and what it can do for 4090. Never hurts to try.

 

What are your memory temps looking like? I saw a video that showed the Suprim X Liquid memory temps were high because of the memory chips relying on tabs sticking out from the water block cold plate. They changed to ThermalRight high thermal conductivity thermal pads and shaved about 10°C off of the memory temps. They also moved from 1.0mm to 1.5mm pads (yes, thicker) for the memory ICs. Using thicker pads helped the memory but did not hurt core temps.

 

This is also a good teardown video. The overall build of this GPU is impressive. Some very heavy duty stuff under that aluminum shroud.

 

 

 

Yep, the small boost in Vcore definitely pushed it past 3100 same settings in TS with capped at 544w pull. Wondering if a flash to a 600w Vbios would kick it up a notch even further.

 

I plan on running those same settings and doing some WoW FP runs to see if CPU utilization bounces even more off of 100% than it does now along with any gains in fps.

 

~62c on mem with +1500 OC after TS run.

 

Gotta say I'm overall happy with my Newegg model. Makes you wonder what it would do under a true block and/or chiller.

[electrosoft]

13 minutes ago, cylix said:

Its coming. 1999 dollars maybe?

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-ti-20-percent-faster-than-4090-full-ad102-gpu-475w-tgp-3-ghz-clock-rumor/

 

6 minutes ago, ryan said:

Ohhh now that's exciting..I wonder if we will see a titan that's 40 percent faster than a 4090...would be worth buying granted it's not 4500 bucks..I think the people that went out and bought a 4090 will regret it if a titan drops

 

Won't be here till 2024 but it was a forgone conclusion it was coming. Back end cycle final milking. They did the same to Ampere with the 3090ti. Didn't drop till 1.5yrs later after 3090 launch but was already rumored and talked about with pics within months of Ampere launch.

 

Especially with AMD failing hard this cycle no need for Nvidia to rush to market with it. I was hoping AMD brought the pain and forced Nvidia's hand. 😞

 

 

Expect it ~March/April 2024.

 

 

 

 

[ryan]

oh and good news. I finally managed to top 9000. took what felt like forever. I should have bought a legion 5 as stock its 115w 3060 gets 9500-9600 in timespy. quite a bit faster than my omen 16

 

 

was a bit weird getting 9(666) score out of the first of many trys and finally breaking 9k with something like 9666

[Mr. Fox]

44 minutes ago, ryan said:

I'm trying to break 9000 gpu score with my 3060. And what seems Neverending is the tweaks trials and errors. I got 8 points to go. And no clue as to what to do as the score fluctuates 20 up 20 down with no changes. I really do respect you guys and envy your patience...I'm maxed out and feel like smashing my turdbook..I'm sooo close to selling it and getting a desktop

Use the script to permanently remove Windows Defender. Use ESO to kill all unnecessary processes (including NVIDIA Control Panel). Open the benchmark, then use Task Manager to kill explorer.exe and then click the button to start the benchmark. When the run is complete, hit Ctrl+Alt+Del and start Task Manager. Launch explorer.exe from Task Manager. Save your screenshot. That will likely give you the few extra points you need to breach 9K.

 

Edit: I see you made it but didn't see your post. Try the above instructions and you might go even higher.

  

13 minutes ago, ryan said:

oh and good news. I finally managed to top 9000. took what felt like forever. I should have bought a legion 5 as stock its 115w 3060 gets 9500-9600 in timespy. quite a bit faster than my omen 16

 

 

was a bit weird getting 9(666) score out of the first of many trys and finally breaking 9k with something like 9666

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23 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Yep, the small boost in Vcore definitely pushed it past 3100 same settings in TS with capped at 544w pull. Wondering if a flash to a 600w Vbios would kick it up a notch even further.

 

I plan on running those same settings and doing some WoW FP runs to see if CPU utilization bounces even more off of 100% than it does now along with any gains in fps.

 

~62c on mem with +1500 OC after TS run.

 

Gotta say I'm overall happy with my Newegg model. Makes you wonder what it would do under a true block and/or chiller.

Awesome stuff. Yeah, might try that Galax 666W vBIOS and see if it gooses the voltage a little more than 50mV. I doubt you are going to exhaust the power limits with such low voltage.

[Papusan]

26 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

Won't be here till 2024 but it was a forgone conclusion it was coming. Back end cycle final milking. They did the same to Ampere with the 3090ti. Didn't drop till 1.5yrs later after 3090 launch but was already rumored and talked about with pics within months of Ampere launch.

 

Especially with AMD failing hard this cycle no need for Nvidia to rush to market with it. I was hoping AMD brought the pain and forced Nvidia's hand. 😞

 

 

Expect it ~March/April 2024.

 

 

 

 

Could be before. Low overall sales push them to try sell more overpriced SKUs to keep profits above minimum. 
 

@ryanAD102 is all we get. And maxed out die won’t provide a major uplift in performance. 10-12% perhaps. On top… Gamers will never get the maxed out die. Not even their +6500$ cards get that. 

[ryan]

yeah I heard its 102-450? whats the difference

 

I think the 3080-4090 is overkill for 4k/60 gaming and most people won't be doing high resolution high refresh gaming. I think most people will fall into the 1440p/165hz bracket.

 

 

and @Mr. Fox brother I'll try that right now see if I cant get within chips reach of 9200 gpu, next step is to test more drivers. and I actually just got eso and it helped by about 100 points. so I was thrilled with that, I think im going to keep windows defender unless it nets a big difference. im thinking drivers now

[Mr. Fox]

59 minutes ago, Papusan said:

I don’t think Nvidia offer higher than 1.100V for 4090. It max out at that voltage. Binned within range of that max voltage. And the high memory temps for some Liquid X cards. Too big variance in build quality. Desktop hardware follows what you get with modern laptop junk nowadays. The trend is here to stay. Awesome is dead!

Probably not. Only EVGA and Galax have been able to skirt their stupid low voltage pansy-boy controls. That's why I recommended trying the Galax 666W vBIOS and Galax Xtreme Tuner software. There may be some low hanging fruit there. Only way to know for sure is try it. Probably not, but still worth trying to find out. Getting it up to even a wimpy 1.125-1.175V could help a lot. I have been taking my 3090 KPE up to like 1.450V without issue. The Suprim is built well enough to handle that I think.

 

Some of those benchmarks I posted last night were also with a +1650 memory offset and +200 core offset. Thermals are the only thing supressing the core clock/boost. Without the chiller, the memory temps are pushing 80°C and with the chiller they were half that.

[Papusan]

Wonderful being in the Red camp. Someone that remembers all the talk and bragging about offering more up to date drivers than nvidia? 

 

 The last graphics driver that was actually released for the RDNA 2-based Radeon RX 6000 series graphics cards was the 22.11.12 which was made for a November release. Then, AMD's Radeon RX 7900 graphics cards launched in December, and guess what? All four graphics drivers, 2 in December and two in January (2023) have been exclusive to the RDNA 3 architecture. These are the driver releases over the past two months:

 

https://wccftech.com/amd-has-not-released-a-new-radeon-driver-for-rdna-2-radeon-rx-6000-gpus-in-2-months/

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

49 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Wonderful being in the Red camp. Someone that remembers all the talk and bragging about offering more up to date drivers than nvidia? 

 

 The last graphics driver that was actually released for the RDNA 2-based Radeon RX 6000 series graphics cards was the 22.11.12 which was made for a November release. Then, AMD's Radeon RX 7900 graphics cards launched in December, and guess what? All four graphics drivers, 2 in December and two in January (2023) have been exclusive to the RDNA 3 architecture. These are the driver releases over the past two months:

 

https://wccftech.com/amd-has-not-released-a-new-radeon-driver-for-rdna-2-radeon-rx-6000-gpus-in-2-months/

 

 

 

Drivers have always been an area of opportunity for them. There have been periods of progress, but very inconsistent.

  

1 hour ago, ryan said:

and @Mr. Fox brother I'll try that right now see if I cant get within chips reach of 9200 gpu, next step is to test more drivers. and I actually just got eso and it helped by about 100 points. so I was thrilled with that, I think im going to keep windows defender unless it nets a big difference. im thinking drivers now

Be sure that whatever driver you choose to use NVCleanStall to remove all of the worthless trash (GeFarts Experience, etc.) and do the MSI tweaks and driver signing. You only want the driver, PhysX and NVIDIA Control Panel. Everything else is a worthless performance-killer. Do not install the driver in the format that you download from NVIDIA. It will contain bloat and telemetry that hurt performance and offer nothing but stupid gimmicks as payment for allowing the data collection.

[Reciever]

I cant seem to get any submissions in, keeps saying I need a verification link? I assume its this? 

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88251389?

 

 

I think I did everything correctly, turns out Im probably a bit of an idiot, who knew? 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Could be before. Low overall sales push them to try sell more overpriced SKUs to keep profits above minimum. 
 

@ryanAD102 is all we get. And maxed out die won’t provide a major uplift in performance. 10-12% perhaps. On top… Gamers will never get the maxed out die. Not even their +6500$ cards get that. 

 

I hope it comes sooner than later but the logic just isn't there to bring it sooner unless 4090 sales tank and/or research/corporate sales die off which won't be happening anytime soon for 18k+ variant.

 

Milk the 4090 for all its worth then introduce a 4090ti outlier for ~10% performance bump for $400-500 more. That is assuming left over silicon that isn't flying off the shelves in Titan which if they announce that in march/april 2023 definitely will push back the 4090ti.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

14 minutes ago, Reciever said:

I cant seem to get any submissions in, keeps saying I need a verification link? I assume its this? 

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88251389?

 

 

I think I did everything correctly, turns out Im probably a bit of an idiot, who knew? 

Yes, that is correct. You only need to copy and paste that URL into the space for a validation link and include that with the JPG of the screenshot.

[Reciever]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, that is correct. You only need to copy and paste that URL into the space for a validation link and include that with the JPG of the screenshot.

Bingo, I think I saved it as PNG, I'll re-save as JPG and reupload

 

Nope, same thing.

 

[Mr. Fox]

21 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Bingo, I think I saved it as PNG, I'll re-save as JPG and reupload

 

Nope, same thing.

 

It can be either one (PNG or JPG) as long as the file size is not too large. I think it is 2MB or something like that. You will know because it won't allow you to upload a screenshot if the file is too large.

[Papusan]

18 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Bingo, I think I saved it as PNG, I'll re-save as JPG and reupload

 

Nope, same thing.

 

Try remove that... ?

 

As etc this

 

Or your https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88251389

[Mr. Fox]

19 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Bingo, I think I saved it as PNG, I'll re-save as JPG and reupload

 

Nope, same thing.

 

 

Just now, Papusan said:

Try remove that... ?

 

As etc this

 

Or your https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88251389

Brother @Papusanhas a sharp eye. The question mark at the end is the issue.

[Reciever]

9 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Try remove that... ?

 

As etc this

 

Or your https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/88251389

 

7 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

Brother @Papusanhas a sharp eye. The question mark at the end is the issue.

 

Thank you both, that did the trick. I just did a simple cut and paste no idea why hwbot would throw such a fit over it.

 

Looks like single 690 will be pretty far reaching since this is just an aftermarket cooler but it took 20th, it seems there are less results for 2x 690. Here I am without an SLI bridge. 

 

Tried to enable in the nvidia control panel but the scores are the same.

 

[ryan]

I think Im done benchmarking this turdbook. was fun getting over 9k I cant imagine 10k unless I put it in a freezer. Now im just going to play the odd game at stock clocks. Im getting better perforamnce at stock now im getting 70-90fps in crysis maxed the way I like it(no motion blur or aa) and gta V completely maxed with the same results. just did a half hour session was relaxing and a nice break. heres pics

 

GTA V

 

crysis

 

for some reason the fps was cut out

[Papusan]

On 12/16/2022 at 4:07 AM, Papusan said:

The Galax touch on this 4090 card isn't worth a dime if the KFA2 model is treated as their unwanted stepchild. And why use the well known Galax Hood on the box? So peple think they get Galax quality and performance? Maybe because of the 4th fan on the backplate as the real Galax cards? This would be the same as put an Porche logo on a small and weak VW Golf 1.3 (Stupid for the masses).

 

 

 

KFA2 GeForce RTX 4090 SG review: Uncompromised 4K gaming with the new Nvidia flagship

 

With an additional 13%, you can increase the power limit of the KFA2 GeForce RTX 4090 SG to about 510 watts. Nvidia's Founders Edition even allows for up to 600 watts, and the Palit GeForce RTX 4090 GameRock OC only 500 watts. But in practice this doesn't play a major role, since only in the rarest cases the power limit of 450 watts is even reached. 

Nice. Galax is the OC brand of all right now as Msi got rid of their Lightning monsters and Evga is out of the game. Galax don't offer much love for their own lower tier, the real Galax 4090 cards (18+4 GPU/VRAM design). You need LN2 and custom firmware/software to make this card to sing. On top you pay premium for the Galax branding above it's stepsister the 4090 KFA2 1-Click OC card (see my old post above). Exactly the same card but don't come with the drooling brand name "Galax". 

 

Isn't 18+4 GPU/VRAM design one of the cheapo power delivery design out there for all better tier 4090 SKUs bro Fox? Can it be made even cheaper?  But if the brand name is Galax... Everything is allowed. Even use cheapest solutions to power the card. Nice. Just nice

 

Edit. I saw a video  review of the card. The reviewer said the card had plastic feeling. Not good.

[Mr. Fox]

7 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Isn't 18+4 GPU/VRAM design one of the cheapo power delivery design out there for all better tier 4090 SKUs bro Fox? Can it be made even cheaper?  But if the brand name is Galax... Everything is allowed. Even use cheapest solutions to power the card. Nice. Just nice

To be clear, 18+4 is just ordinary gamerboy grade, not top shelf .

[Raiderman]

1 hour ago, Reciever said:

 

 

Thank you both, that did the trick. I just did a simple cut and paste no idea why hwbot would throw such a fit over it.

 

Looks like single 690 will be pretty far reaching since this is just an aftermarket cooler but it took 20th, it seems there are less results for 2x 690. Here I am without an SLI bridge. 

 

Tried to enable in the nvidia control panel but the scores are the same.

 

I think the ? is because your gpu driver is is not verified, or some bs like that. I couldn't upload one yesterday, because of the same error you were getting. I think UL adds the ?, so the bot thinks its an invalid URL.

[Reciever]

15 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

I think the ? is because your gpu driver is is not verified, or some bs like that. I couldn't upload one yesterday, because of the same error you were getting. I think UL adds the ?, so the bot thinks its an invalid URL.

tl;dr hwbot is a pain.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5188060_reciever_3dmark___fire_strike_geforce_gtx_690_13587_marks?recalculate=true

Bumped it up to 17th

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5188063_reciever_3dmark___fire_strike_extreme_geforce_gtx_690_6859_marks?recalculate=true

Hit 18th.