*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Reciever]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, it did look blurry to my eyes as well. Here is another. The problem is down-scaling. That image is 2560x1440, but uploading to the forum it makes it smaller (1000x562) and utterly worthless for clarity. I think a  thumbnail preview is fine, but clicking the image should make it the original resolution. Otherwise, the only solution is to upload it somewhere else, then embed it using the direct image link so clicking the image opens it from the hosting site instead of here.

We were catching up as we both haven't been on TeamSpeak in a week or so and both quite tired. We cranked one of the settings to the max but we may have misread it, it may be percentage level of compression so instead of going to 100% should've probably tried 0%.

 

Bear with me fellas, were getting there. Embedding works well but as I'm sure you guys know after a while those sites either delete or cycle out which breaks the links. I would rather host them here. 

[Mr. Fox]

Just now, Reciever said:

Bear with me fellas, were getting there. Embedding works well but as I'm sure you guys know after a while those sites either delete or cycle out which breaks the links. I would rather host them here. 

No worries. Growing pains and learning on the fly is expected.  You guys are doing great. I agree that hosting them here is better for the reason stated.

2 minutes ago, Reciever said:

We were catching up as we both haven't been on TeamSpeak in a week or so and both quite tired.

You should both get some rest then. You deserve it and it is important. We will still be here. Rome wasn't built in a day.

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Talon said:

 

I have the Omen 16.1" with 3070 115w.. I don't bench it often but will see if I can find a score. 

 

I don't watch this guy often but this direct die cooling setup might be interesting for some of you.. The results is actually super impressive. 

 

 

@johnksss @Mr. Fox @electrosoft

Yes, he has a rather annoying personality and communication style. He is like a drunk buildzoid with Tourette's Syndrome , LOL.

 

He has some fairly decent content though, and I watch some of his videos in spite of it. I watched both of his videos on the 12900K delid and it looks good. Very impressive. I am waiting for a normal die frame that replaces the ILM.

 

I don't want that kind of bare die block. I have one for 10th/11th Gen and never installed it because I do not like how it is made. I should probably sell it to someone that could use it.

[Reciever]

Try one more time fella's if its not fixed then we have a good idea where the issue may lie, but will wait until tomorrow after work to tweak

[Papusan]

On 3/30/2022 at 4:49 AM, Papusan said:

The result could have been a hell lot better if Intel didn't cripple the newer chips with 50% power efficient Junk cores made for the new modern Jokebooks.

https://hwbot.org/submission/4962610_papusan_cinebench___r20_core_i9_12900k_12102_cb?recalculate=true

 

 

 

Yep, the modern 8 baby cores can provide around 36% performance increase on top of the 8 P-cores for 12900K. If Intel have pushed out an real 16 cores chips same as AMD, I would seen 17724 points in CBR20. A reminder what Intel could have done if they scrapped the the cost cutting.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4964084_papusan_cinebench___r20_core_i9_12900k_(8p)_8862_cb?recalculate=true

 

 

Friday here. Have a good weekend and god night🙂 6:50 AM and time for bed, LOOL

[johnksss]

 

[Reciever]

Ok its looking much better now 🙂

 

Thanks again fellas

[ssj92]

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I'd say you were lucky for that reason, as well as having a Microcenter (at least if you are in SoCal). But, I am not sure that those would be good reasons for me to want to live there. Seems like I can think of lots more reasons I wouldn't want to, LOL.

 

Congrats on the GPU. What model of 3090 Ti did you order?

 

I look forward to seeing what kind of overclocked benchmarks scores you will experience. It is hard to make sense of the marketing fluff because it is somewhat subjective and driven based on stock/reference numbers that benefit marketing more than the end user. A 3090 Ti specs are not remarkably greater than 3090 and it feels like both a money grab and a back-stabbing show of "appreciation" for the customers that wanted the best the Green Goblin had to offer.

 

But, I asked what model you purchased because the playing field is far from level. A 3090 KPE or Galax HOF GPU, both with power limits set higher than the functional capacity of the GPU and unlocked voltage that sidestep common performance impediments, have remarkably more performance potential than a reference 3090. Yes, they might perform about the same running stock, but probably not many people that spend extra money to buy card built for overclocking care that much about stock performance. Some may buy it purely for e-peen or bragging rights. At the end of the day, it's how far you can push it beyond stock that matters most.

 

A reference design 3090 Ti might not even offer a 5% performance bump if pitted against an unlocked enthusiast 3090 GPU when you start overclocking the crap out of the enthusiast-grade 3090. It might not even keep up. Likewise, a 3090 Ti KPE or HOF might offer more than a 10% performance bump over a typical 3090 when you break out the whip and start to punish it. We don't know and can't trust marketing nonsense to tell us what we need to know. They're only going to tell us what they want us to believe.

 

If all I planned to do was play games and run stock clocks, I would save a lot of money and just buy a 3060 and call it good enough.

I ordered the EVGA 3090Ti FTW3 Gaming Black. The base 3090Ti EVGA sells. All of their models except hybrid and kingpin are only different from vBIOS OC. I'm sure I can get "ultra" model performance easily. KPE is a different story. I wouldn't be surprised if my 3090 KPE can keep up with the 3090Ti FTW3. We'll see tomorrow as I plan to compare them =D 

 

Finally putting these things in my 10980XE build again. (3090 KPE until it sells but 3090Ti will stay inside my computer this time instead of Titan V [hoping it fits])

[Prema]

Hi (•̀ᴗ•́)و

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Prema said:

Hi (•̀ᴗ•́)و

Welcome, Brother @Prema. So glad you joined us. You have been missed greatly.

5 hours ago, ssj92 said:

I ordered the EVGA 3090Ti FTW3 Gaming Black. The base 3090Ti EVGA sells. All of their models except hybrid and kingpin are only different from vBIOS OC. I'm sure I can get "ultra" model performance easily. KPE is a different story. I wouldn't be surprised if my 3090 KPE can keep up with the 3090Ti FTW3. We'll see tomorrow as I plan to compare them =D 

 

Finally putting these things in my 10980XE build again. (3090 KPE until it sells but 3090Ti will stay inside my computer this time instead of Titan V [hoping it fits])

Nice. I am eager to see how the comparison shakes out. Congrats again.

[Mr. Fox]

7 hours ago, Reciever said:

Try one more time fella's if its not fixed then we have a good idea where the issue may lie, but will wait until tomorrow after work to tweak

 

6 hours ago, Reciever said:

Ok its looking much better now 🙂

 

Thanks again fellas

Yes. It is a whole lot better, but...

Still severe degradation... note size limitation. You cannot preserve original image resolution. The forum software will not allow it. Still need to use an image hosting service when quality matters. That said, sometimes quality isn't important.

[Mr. Fox]

No surprise here, but confirmation... Wolfenstein: The New Order can be added to the list of Linux compatibility. It's capped at 60 FPS just like Winduhz, but it plays equally well. So far, that is 12 out of 13 tested and working. 

 

 

[Papusan]

6 hours ago, Prema said:

Hi (•̀ᴗ•́)و

Long time no see. Nice see you here Prema 🙂

 

Why does this even come on the engineering table? What a disaster. Some of you want a Mini-ITX board but this isn't what you should jump on. What's next? @Clamibot @electrosoft Ready to buy when it's out?🤪

 

Maxsun Preps Alder Lake Mobile Mini-ITX Motherboard

The best of both worlds: desktop expandability and high-performance integrated graphics.

[Rage Set]

I'm going the nuclear option. I'm selling everything except for the 6800xt, and one of my 3090's. 

 

The Asus 3090 White Edition, 6900 XT (with the unused waterblock), and the EVGA 3080 TI's are going. 

[Tenoroon]

42 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Long time no see. Nice see you here Prema 🙂

 

Why does this even come on the engineering table? What a disaster. Some of you want a Mini-ITX board but this isn't what you should jump on. What's next? @Clamibot @electrosoft Ready to buy when it's out?🤪

 

Maxsun Preps Alder Lake Mobile Mini-ITX Motherboard

The best of both worlds: desktop expandability and high-performance integrated graphics.

Yeah, boards like those are just weird and risky, no IHS with a mobile CPU + a desktop cooler is a recipe for disaster, especially when the CPU is soldered on lol.

Though, I want to get one of those PCWinMax HM55 or HM77 boards to put socketed mobile CPUs in. It would be a good way to get a bunch of points for the team on HWBot 😉

 

[electrosoft]

11 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

No to both things. I am not planning on a GPU upgrade for probably at least one, maybe even two years.

 

And, had the answer been yes it most likely would not be for one that has one or two (or zero) options for a water block. I am really done with that. Reference PCB with hardware and firmware mods that void the warranty is the only way to fly now. I don't want to have to accept the only option or choose between one option that isn't what I want versus a second overpriced option that takes 6 months to arrive. I'm just not OK with that anymore.

 

I am really not liking a lot of what I see happening in PC tech in general. I'd probably be pleased if I were a gamer. But, because the only thing I care a lot about it overclocking, there is less to like now. Even if I were to ditch overclocking and try to rekindle my interest in gaming, nobody actually needs high end PC parts for gaming. Mid-range and last generation or two old components is almost always more than adequate for gaming.

 

That would also be difficult because I don't like any of the genres and titles that are most popular now. The past few times I thought I might want to blow money on a game, I could not find anything that I was interested in. Steam seems to be catering to indie crap that is turn-based, open world, MMORPG, RPG and Strategy and I really do not enjoy anything like that even a little bit. When I do actually find something that looks like it might interest me, it often turns out to be some online multiplayer piece of crap with no offline single-player campaign.

 

I agree non-specialized boards get shafted in terms of water blocks and the waiting game is ridiculous.

 

The move towards boost clocks full spectrum is really great for everybody but greatly reduces those fat margins of yesteryear. 

 

If you're willing to sacrifice eye candy. >60fps and resolution even Pascal can get by but if you're trying to eeek every bit of resolution, eye candy and fps for even a 120hz display then even the 3090ti will hit walls.

[electrosoft]

11 hours ago, Reciever said:

We were catching up as we both haven't been on TeamSpeak in a week or so and both quite tired. We cranked one of the settings to the max but we may have misread it, it may be percentage level of compression so instead of going to 100% should've probably tried 0%.

 

Bear with me fellas, were getting there. Embedding works well but as I'm sure you guys know after a while those sites either delete or cycle out which breaks the links. I would rather host them here. 

 

I know plenty of others feel the same, but y'all are doing a bang up job here on all levels. Things started off great and are just getting better and better. 👏

[Talon]

 

Punched 16K but still chasing @johnksss crazy bin KPE. 

[electrosoft]

11 hours ago, Papusan said:

Yep, the modern 8 baby cores can provide around 36% performance increase on top of the 8 P-cores for 12900K. If Intel have pushed out an real 16 cores chips same as AMD, I would seen 17724 points in CBR20. A reminder what Intel could have done if they scrapped the the cost cutting.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4964084_papusan_cinebench___r20_core_i9_12900k_(8p)_8862_cb?recalculate=true

 

 

Friday here. Have a good weekend and god night🙂 6:50 AM and time for bed, LOOL

 

Until they get the pull and heat under control, that can never happen realistically. I'm sure they've run the numbers, checked yields, break points for cores vs clocks and this is as good as they can do on a mass scale at the moment. Like you mentioned before, they could lower clocks to add more cores but that die size would be huge (not always a bad thing). Even turning off the e-cores, you still get some righteous pull and heat because they are responsible for most of the package power and heat.

 

Instead of this KS BS, I would have rather seen at least some binned 10-12 P-Core only chips.

 

 

[ryan]

kinda annoyed with youtube. watched a few videos and alot of people are saying the 3070 mobile is like a 2080 super max q which just isn't the case a rtx 3060 is faster than a 2080 super max q and I cant stand the virus that is false information....heres a port royal benchmark of the 2080 super max q and you seen me score 5179.

 

 

 

and even if it isn't max q its 150w....like wheres are these kids getting their data

 

[electrosoft]

10 hours ago, ssj92 said:

I ordered the EVGA 3090Ti FTW3 Gaming Black. The base 3090Ti EVGA sells. All of their models except hybrid and kingpin are only different from vBIOS OC. I'm sure I can get "ultra" model performance easily. KPE is a different story. I wouldn't be surprised if my 3090 KPE can keep up with the 3090Ti FTW3. We'll see tomorrow as I plan to compare them =D 

 

Finally putting these things in my 10980XE build again. (3090 KPE until it sells but 3090Ti will stay inside my computer this time instead of Titan V [hoping it fits])

 

Looking forward to the results! I also liked your cheap build video you put up the other day too.

 

I do know watching Gamer's Nexus review of the FTW3 he opens it up and the dies have binning clocks on them. He calls Jacob @ evga and he confirmed they bin their chips for the FTW3 models so the Black most likely is a lesser bin than the 2149/2199 model. The binning clocks for the 2199 model are 2040 which is 15mhz higher than the binning clocks for the kpe 3090 which was 2025.

 

 

[electrosoft]

54 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

I'm going the nuclear option. I'm selling everything except for the 6800xt, and one of my 3090's. 

 

The Asus 3090 White Edition, 6900 XT (with the unused waterblock), and the EVGA 3080 TI's are going. 

 

I've done this numerous times where I just sell off everything and start fresh or wait for the next wave of goodies. I suddenly find myself with a pile of parts and cards so I'll probably do the same in some fashion.

 

With that being said, let me know how much you're asking for the Asrock OC 6900xt. Funds are tight atm as I have 3x 10900k's in house to bin out to extract even more performance for the X170SM-G but I'm always curious. I wouldn't need the WB as I'd run it as is.

 

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Long time no see. Nice see you here Prema 🙂

 

Why does this even come on the engineering table? What a disaster. Some of you want a Mini-ITX board but this isn't what you should jump on. What's next? @Clamibot @electrosoft Ready to buy when it's out?🤪

 

Maxsun Preps Alder Lake Mobile Mini-ITX Motherboard

The best of both worlds: desktop expandability and high-performance integrated graphics.

 

This really hurts my feelings when I see these rejects make their way into desktop level components. I would never, ever even think of running something like this in any capacity anywhere near a desktop level....ever.

 

 

[johnksss]

57 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Punched 16K but still chasing @johnksss crazy bin KPE. 

Nice! That 3090 TI is definitely doing a a good job of holding it's own in port royal.

[ryan]

16k....duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude thats insane.....i get like 5100....big division between laptop and desktop what ever happened to the pascal model