*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, Etern4l said:

Keep it up Intel, and one of these days even @Mr. Fox might throw in the towel, and emerge from Fort Fox, proudly carrying an "AMD" banner lol

Not if I ever get smart enough to learn from my past mistakes. My problem is I am far too forgiving and I should be more of a fanboy than an enthusiast. Then I wouldn't end up in that predicament. Skunks don't change their stripes. I should care about brand more than I do, because every time I prove that I don't care I end up dissatified with the outcome.

 

Every time I am dumb enough to give them another chance they show me why I stopped giving them chances and scratched them off my list of acceptable options the last time. X570/5950X was a hard fail and the worst platform I can remember ever having owned before in spite of all of the bragging and sword rattling by fanboys. It was an absolute joke and I allowed it to happen because I don't care about brand.

 

AMD is a poser in the enthusiast space and they prove that to me every time I allow my curiosity as an enthusiast to cloud my judgment. I say that based on what they do, and how it affects me. When they gain ground on performance, they draw back a bloody stump on another metric. One step forward, then one or two steps backward, because the underlying architecture is an engineering abortion that sucks.

[Papusan]

4th for the old GTX 980 in 3DM Sky Diver😎 I may can squize out a bit higher Physics but that won't help much. I will now try with Win 7 🙂

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5233141_papusan_3dmark___sky_diver_geforce_gtx_980_59637_marks?recalculate=true

[Mr. Fox]

10 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Yep, unless something changes drastically next go around with the 5000 series (zero desire for the TI at this point seeing as my 4090 is being choked by my 12900k atm), I will be grabbing the cheapest model I can find and hope to slap a discount code on it and call it a wrap.

 

I love my Suprim. It delivers everything I could want and is a top sample silicon for the GPU and above average for the mem and no coil whine and great temps and destroyed my 3090ti but if I could go back I would have kept the 4090 Trio I had ordered from BB and pocketed the ~$400 difference when all was said and done (10% discount, 5% best buy rewards, etc...). It could be a bad clocker and perform 1-5% less but for ~$400 in my pocket I'll be ok. 🙂

Well, the MSI  4090 Suprim is as good as it gets I think. Fast forward to now and you would be better off spending the extra $50-$100 on the Suprim because there is no longer a huge gap in price between them like there was 90 days ago. While there is little difference in performance, if you buy a GPU from a place that doesn't behave like the stock market and allow shady marketplace sellers to scalp their patrons, there is very little difference in price between brands and SKUs among the same brand. The Strix is the only one that stands out from the pack like a sore thumb as an inferior performer dressed in elaborate clothing. There is a huge gap in price with a meaningless gap in performance when you compare the Strix to the TUF. The TUF basically performs the same (maybe better without defective memory chips) and looks better, for hundreds of dollars less. But, if you compare a PNY, Zotac Trinity vs AMP, MSI Trio versus Suprim, Gigabutt vs Gigabutt and then cross-compare them to everything else for sale excluding the Strix, there is seldom more than  $75-150 difference among them.

 

Amazon is becoming a truly psychotic marketplace because you can buy the exact same SKU and, depending on the source, the price can vary by $300 to $500. Even the "sold and shipped by" pricing is starting to make it seem like they are suffering from an untreated bipolar disorder.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

4th for the old GTX 980 in 3DM Sky Diver😎 I may can squize out a bit higher Physics but that won't help much. I will now try with Win 7 🙂

https://hwbot.org/submission/5233141_papusan_3dmark___sky_diver_geforce_gtx_980_59637_marks?recalculate=true

New or newer has to be better. Always, LOOL

 

Win 7 bro @Mr. Fox Crushing that new modern touch friendly pastel colored Tile Box disaster from Redmond. 

 

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/sd/6397677/sd/6397692#

 

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5233158_papusan_3dmark___sky_diver_geforce_gtx_980_60977_marks/

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5233166_papusan_3dmark___sky_diver_geforce_gtx_980_61054_marks?recalculate=true

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Win 7 bro @Mr. Fox Crushing that new modern touch friendly pastel colored Tile Box disaster from Redmond. 

Windows 7 FTW! Modern filth is for silly people with low standards. Time to step away from the frustration of benching a Red card for a few. This isn't even overclocked beyond my daily driver settings, LOL.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5233200_mr._fox_3dmark___sky_diver_geforce_rtx_3060_ti_(ga104)_98703_marks?recalculate=true

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Windows 7 FTW! Modern filth is for silly people with low standards. Time to step away from the frustration of benching a Red card for a few. This isn't even overclocked beyond my daily driver settings, LOL.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5233200_mr._fox_3dmark___sky_diver_geforce_rtx_3060_ti_(ga104)_98703_marks?recalculate=true

 

Yees, bro Fox👍 And save this one for your next round with the Red card.

 

AMD Software Adrenalin 23.3.2 WHQL Released

AMD today released the latest version of its Adrenalin drivers. Version 23.3.2 WHQL comes with optimization for "Resident Evil 4" Remake, "The Last of Us Part 1," and introduces support for certain new Vulkan API extensions. An application crash noticed with "Uncharted: Legacy of Thieves" Collection on some GPUs such as the Radeon RX 6700 XT, has been fixed. Another such application crash with "Genshin Impact" on the RX 6750 XT has been fixed. A display corruption issue with "It Takes Two" on RX 7000 series GPUs has been fixed. A black-screen noticed with using Parsec client with the AMD decoder setting has been fixed. Intermittently lower GPU usage before test completion with Performance Tuning Stress Test has been fixed. Grab the drivers from the link below.

DOWNLOAD: AMD Software Adrenalin 23.3.2 WHQL

 

 

For the records. Win 11 from left.... And higher scores over to the right. 3 different Windows tested.

[Mr. Fox]

8 hours ago, Papusan said:

Yees, bro Fox👍 And save this one for your next round with the Red card.

 

AMD Software Adrenalin 23.3.2 WHQL Released

AMD today released the latest version of its Adrenalin drivers. Version 23.3.2 WHQL comes with optimization for "Resident Evil 4" Remake, "The Last of Us Part 1," and introduces support for certain new Vulkan API extensions. An application crash noticed with "Uncharted: Legacy of Thieves" Collection on some GPUs such as the Radeon RX 6700 XT, has been fixed. Another such application crash with "Genshin Impact" on the RX 6750 XT has been fixed. A display corruption issue with "It Takes Two" on RX 7000 series GPUs has been fixed. A black-screen noticed with using Parsec client with the AMD decoder setting has been fixed. Intermittently lower GPU usage before test completion with Performance Tuning Stress Test has been fixed. Grab the drivers from the link below.

DOWNLOAD: AMD Software Adrenalin 23.3.2 WHQL

I am hoping that this new driver corrects my Micro$lop Office text rendering and artifacting issues that make the 6900 XT difficult to use for work on my business machine. That is very frustrating. I will say that Eyefinity is amazing compared to NVIDIA Surround. It is excellent, but that gets overshadowed by things like the problem mentioned above.

 

I have worked out a deal with Brother @Rage Setand will be keeping the 6900 XT. While I am still significantly more satisfied with NVIDIA in comparison, it has a few things that it does extremely well and I will use it for those things and use NVIDIA for everything else. It's a nice GPU. Drivers... not so much. But, that has always seemed to be the case with Radeon graphics. CCC/Adrenaline software is certainly AMD's Achilles Heel. You need it for some features to work, but it's pretty buggy software.

 

Side Note:
I have more respect for Bykski than ever now. I've used their fittings and other things for a long time and they're fine, but I love the GPU block. It fits great and works absolutely wonderful. I think they'll be my first choice for GPU blocks going forward. Looking at photos online where they are sold doesn't do them justice. The look pretty unimpressive in photos, but in application they are excellent. If you get one, be prepared to figure things out based on experience. There are no instructions. And, there are no screws (at least in my case) to attach the backplate to the GPU. The included screws were for attaching the block naked, with no backplate. That's weird because the backplate is included in the kit. (Might have been a packaging mistake, but the Barrow block I purchased for the 4090 Suprim also included a backplate without the screws needed to attach it, and the stock screws would not work in either case.)

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Edit:

  

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am hoping that this new driver corrects my Micro$lop Office text rendering and artifacting issues that make the 6900 XT difficult to use for work on my business machine.

Nope. No change. Didn't fix that issue. Will have to use the 3090 K|INGP|N in this machine because the 6900 XT isn't going to cut it for my work setup.

 

Edited March 23, 2023 by Mr. Fox
issue not resolve with M$ Office text rendering

[ryan]

You guys rock. Rocking 4th spot. When I get my laptop back I hope to find a way to flash bios and gain the ability to oc past 1700mhz hp has a locked vbios. It goes to 1740 if it's set to 1900 or 2100. On a positive note when the cpu set to 3ghz my temps after gaming for two hours are around 56 to 70 c

[cylix]

Lol Linus got hacked by crypto scammers and channel is for now banned 😂

[ryan]

41 minutes ago, cylix said:

Lol Linus got hacked by crypto scammers and channel is for now banned 😂

Wait wut..why would he be banned 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

Wait wut..why would he be banned 

How do you spell "violating" ? And I don't talk about violin 😎 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, cylix said:

Lol Linus got hacked by crypto scammers and channel is for now banned 😂

 

17 minutes ago, Papusan said:

How do you spell "violating" ? And I don't talk about violin 😎 

 

 

There is only one way to deal with hackers... snuff 'em out. They're not as bad as rapists, murderers and armed robbers, but they aren't far behind them on the scale of human feces. Their lives are worthless. Burn the witches! Seek and destroy.

 

 

[Raiderman]

Windows 7 on the left, Windows 10 on the right.

 

[Etern4l]

18 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Not if I ever get smart enough to learn from my past mistakes. My problem is I am far too forgiving and I should be more of a fanboy than an enthusiast. Then I wouldn't end up in that predicament. Skunks don't change their stripes. I should care about brand more than I do, because every time I prove that I don't care I end up dissatified with the outcome.

 

Every time I am dumb enough to give them another chance they show me why I stopped giving them chances and scratched them off my list of acceptable options the last time. X570/5950X was a hard fail and the worst platform I can remember ever having owned before in spite of all of the bragging and sword rattling by fanboys. It was an absolute joke and I allowed it to happen because I don't care about brand.

 

AMD is a poser in the enthusiast space and they prove that to me every time I allow my curiosity as an enthusiast to cloud my judgment. I say that based on what they do, and how it affects me. When they gain ground on performance, they draw back a bloody stump on another metric. One step forward, then one or two steps backward, because the underlying architecture is an engineering abortion that sucks.

 

Companies do change. Remember it was AMD who gave us the 64 bit x86 architecture, while things at Intel went sideways for a while with Itanium.

 

What is the underlying architectural problem with Zen 3 and 4? I mean something is not quite optimal if they are merely trading blows with Intel despite the massive process advantage. 

 

If you are just looking at it from the perspective of overclockability/tweakability, then still Intel every time I guess.

 

BTW guys, what's the story with ring voltage and ratio? What's the default ring ratio for the 13900K (for some reason MSI board doesn't show this, or I missed it), do you guys touch the voltage or leave it on auto, assuming fixed CPU ratio mode+voltages scenario.

[Papusan]

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Side Note:
I have more respect for Bykski than ever now. I've used their fittings and other things for a long time and they're fine, but I love the GPU block. It fits great and works absolutely wonderful. I think they'll be my first choice for GPU blocks going forward. Looking at photos online where they are sold doesn't do them justice. The look pretty unimpressive in photos, but in application they are excellent. If you get one, be prepared to figure things out based on experience. There are no instructions. And, there are no screws (at least in my case) to attach the backplate to the GPU. The included screws were for attaching the block naked, with no backplate. That's weird because the backplate is included in the kit. (Might have been a packaging mistake, but the Barrow block I purchased for the 4090 Suprim also included a backplate without the screws needed to attach it, and the stock screws would not work in either case.)

Do you see the same? 

[Rage Set]

3 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Do you see the same? 

 

I have a Bykski block on my 6800 XT in my all AMD build, with zero issues. I have performed a full cleaning/flush of my rig after six months. From my years of custom watercooling, if a block (CPU or GPU) are discoloring, it is usually the result of mixing metals or the coolant mix. 

 

What I find suspicious is the nickel plating is failing but his temps remain good. Those nickel particles have to go somewhere and usually it is clogging the coldplate fins...worsening temps. 

 

That being said, his problem could be a one-off. All brands have them.

[Raiderman]

55 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

I have a Bykski block on my 6800 XT in my all AMD build, with zero issues. I have performed a full cleaning/flush of my rig after six months. From my years of custom watercooling, if a block (CPU or GPU) are discoloring, it is usually the result of mixing metals or the coolant mix. 

 

What I find suspicious is the nickel plating is failing but his temps remain good. Those nickel particles have to go somewhere and usually it is clogging the coldplate fins...worsening temps. 

 

That being said, his problem could be a one-off. All brands have them.

I had a Bykski water block on my Radeon VII, and it worked flawlessly. I was a little worried about buying it, but at the time they were the only outfit making one.

 

If anyone knows where I can get some of those EVGA velcro straps (again) let me know please.

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

Companies do change. Remember it was AMD who gave us the 64 bit x86 architecture, while things at Intel went sideways for a while with Itanium.

 

What is the underlying architectural problem with Zen 3 and 4? I mean something is not quite optimal if they are merely trading blows with Intel despite the massive process advantage. 

 

If you are just looking at it from the perspective of overclockability/tweakability, then still Intel every time I guess.

 

BTW guys, what's the story with ring voltage and ratio? What's the default ring ratio for the 13900K (for some reason MSI board doesn't show this, or I missed it), do you guys touch the voltage or leave it on auto, assuming fixed CPU ratio mode+voltages scenario.

X570 and 5950X had poor core overclocking, absolutely repulsive memory overclocking, ludicrous latency issues, WHEA errors up the kazoo and extremely frustrating issues with USB dropouts even when using the Agesa cancer that they said "fixed it" made zero improvement for me. Ran MUCH hotter than my 12900K/KS or 13900K at lower clocks and lower voltage. The pairing of one good CCX with a second horrible CCX was also more idiotic than Intel putting Atom cores on 12th/13th Gen.

 

The USB drop-out problems made it unreliable even running BIOS defaults. I literally had to disconnect and reconnect my mouse and keyboard at every cold boot or they were not detected, and they would randomly stop working during normal use.

 

The only thing I liked about it was fluffy Cinebench scores. Otherwise, I would not have wished it on an enemy. It was the most regrettable "upgrade" I can remember in my lifetime. Very expensive garbage.

  

4 hours ago, Raiderman said:

Windows 7 on the left, Windows 10 on the right.

 

 

Sweet! What did you have to do to make W7 work right? Or, is it only Sky Diver and 3DMark 11 still not cooperating with you? 

 

If you haven't already done so, try setting the minimum core clock 50-100 MHz less than max. And, also try diabling "Advianced" core and memory overclocking. Set core minimum at 100% and core maximum at 110% and memory at 110%. Doing either of those things dramatically improved my 3DMark 11 scores and destroyed W10/11. 3DMark 11 is extremely demands and Windows 7 makes it more so, and left to its own devices I think the GPU downclocks to try to avoid using as much power as Windows 7 wants it to use. I found that setting the max core clock only allows the GPU fall to stock clocks under severe load.

 

EVGA will probably sell you some of those Velcro straps if you email them. I love them... best ones I have found anywhere.

  

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

Do you see the same? 

 

No, but it hasn't seen enough use yet for me to comment. It has been in use only a couple of weeks. It was brand new before I installed it. Seems like a very high quality GPU block to me. I really like it.

2 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

I have a Bykski block on my 6800 XT in my all AMD build, with zero issues. I have performed a full cleaning/flush of my rig after six months. From my years of custom watercooling, if a block (CPU or GPU) are discoloring, it is usually the result of mixing metals or the coolant mix. 

 

What I find suspicious is the nickel plating is failing but his temps remain good. Those nickel particles have to go somewhere and usually it is clogging the coldplate fins...worsening temps. 

 

That being said, his problem could be a one-off. All brands have them.

I agree with that. Probably is a one-off. I have found everything stays looks extra nice using automotive coolant in the loop. I never plan to use anything else. Learned that from Brother @johnksssand when you stop and think about it, kind of like common sense. We don't have issues with our automotive cooling systems when we use it. 

[ryan]

I think you might even have better results using something that is more viscous. At least for the higher clocks.

 

Just don't use windshield washer fluid or gasoline laughing my ass off

[Mr. Fox]

35 minutes ago, ryan said:

I think you might even have better results using something that is more viscous. At least for the higher clocks.

 

Just don't use windshield washer fluid or gasoline laughing my ass off

Yeah, that definitely wouldn't be good.

 

I use the Asian blue 50/50 premix and it is pale enough it looks clear except for what is in the reservoirs. I don't want the green or red coolant. The Asian car blue stuff doesn't look blue running through the tubing, but the red and green stuff show their colors more running through the loop. The coolant lubricates the pumps and QDC fittings, keeps the o-rings from drying out and cracking, kills all living organisms and prevents corrosion. All of the same things it does in your car. It also plays nicer with dissimilar metals, just as it does with the hodge-podge of random metals found in your car's engine/cooling system.

 

Temps seem the same to me as running pure distilled water, so it is kind of a no-brainer.

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I think I am going to try an experiment with the 6900 XT Brother @Rage Set.

 

One of the nice things about the Dark motherboard is it has DIP switches to disable PCIe ports. And, the PCIe x16 slots are both capable of running full x16 speeds as long as both are not in use. Most mobos can only run the second slot at x8 even when the first one is vacant. You can install your GPU in the bottom slot and leave the top one empty and it still runs at x16. You can also disable them in the BIOS, but that won't let me do the experiment.

 

I think that I am going to try running an NVIDIA GPU in the top slot and the 6900 XT in the bottom slot. Boot into Windows 7 using the NVIDIA GPU, then turn on the AMD card, install the drivers and then use the DIP switch to disable the NVIDIA card while in Windows and see how the 6900 XT behaves when it doesn't have to go through the booting phase where it stops working.

 

I might also try running both at x8 simultaneously to see what kind of nonsense surfaces.

 

Might try that this weekend and see what happens.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

No, but it hasn't seen enough use yet for me to comment. It has been in use only a couple of weeks. It was brand new before I installed it. Seems like a very high quality GPU block to me. I really like it.

Thats great 🙂

 

So todays question will be about quality. ASUS have gone totally bananas and manged to fully destrooy their already awful forum further. When do they reach the bottom? And in the work to make it worse, they deleted my nice puking avatar. But hey, they at least managed to get rid of the email notificationl I never was able to delete from the settings. So one step forwards but 10 or even 100 steps backwards. Asus forum is now on level with Dell's. Can't be any worse than this. This is damn perverse. 

 

 

New forum appearance worse than previous

Anyone else thin the new lool is worse, information wise that is? Can only see 5 threads per page and that only shows when it was created not when last comment was.

[Raiderman]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

X570 and 5950X had poor core overclocking, absolutely repulsive memory overclocking, ludicrous latency issues, WHEA errors up the kazoo and extremely frustrating issues with USB dropouts even when using the Agesa cancer that they said "fixed it" made zero improvement for me. Ran MUCH hotter than my 12900K/KS or 13900K at lower clocks and lower voltage. The pairing of one good CCX with a second horrible CCX was also more idiotic than Intel putting Atom cores on 12th/13th Gen.

 

The USB drop-out problems made it unreliable even running BIOS defaults. I literally had to disconnect and reconnect my mouse and keyboard at every cold boot or they were not detected, and they would randomly stop working during normal use.

 

The only thing I liked about it was fluffy Cinebench scores. Otherwise, I would not have wished it on an enemy. It was the most regrettable "upgrade" I can remember in my lifetime. Very expensive garbage.

  

 

Sweet! What did you have to do to make W7 work right? Or, is it only Sky Diver and 3DMark 11 still not cooperating with you? 

 

If you haven't already done so, try setting the minimum core clock 50-100 MHz less than max. And, also try diabling "Advianced" core and memory overclocking. Set core minimum at 100% and core maximum at 110% and memory at 110%. Doing either of those things dramatically improved my 3DMark 11 scores and destroyed W10/11. 3DMark 11 is extremely demands and Windows 7 makes it more so, and left to its own devices I think the GPU downclocks to try to avoid using as much power as Windows 7 wants it to use. I found that setting the max core clock only allows the GPU fall to stock clocks under severe load.

 

EVGA will probably sell you some of those Velcro straps if you email them. I love them... best ones I have found anywhere.

  

No, but it hasn't seen enough use yet for me to comment. It has been in use only a couple of weeks. It was brand new before I installed it. Seems like a very high quality GPU block to me. I really like it.

I agree with that. Probably is a one-off. I have found everything stays looks extra nice using automotive coolant in the loop. I never plan to use anything else. Learned that from Brother @johnksssand when you stop and think about it, kind of like common sense. We don't have issues with our automotive cooling systems when we use it. 

I hadnt actually tried sky diver on Windows 7 until today...haha. No, it is 3Dmark 11 giving me troubles by not clocking as high as Windows 10. Wattman kind of sucks, but I will try your settings. I see those settings get your vram up to 2334mhz @ 112%. What is the stock speed on that 6900XT? It is 2000mhz on my 6800, with the slider only allowing 2150mhz. This is what I get in Wattman, which gives me the results displayed in gpuz.

 

[Raiderman]

EVGA has these on their website store, but they are not the same as the straps I had before. I think I sent a link to you bro @Mr. Foxa few years back. I found those on Ebay. Single strap without the loop, I love those too.

 

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=K00K-00-000004

 

Edit: was just going to order some, but not worth the time. They limit your purchase to a quantity of 2 for a total of 4 straps...??

[tps3443]

People say overclocking your GPU doesn’t provide much of a real world boost. Well, here’s a free 20% bump “In-Game” over a standard 3090 FE 😂

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

13 hours ago, Raiderman said:

I hadnt actually tried sky diver on Windows 7 until today...haha. No, it is 3Dmark 11 giving me troubles by not clocking as high as Windows 10. Wattman kind of sucks, but I will try your settings. I see those settings get your vram up to 2334mhz @ 112%. What is the stock speed on that 6900XT? It is 2000mhz on my 6800, with the slider only allowing 2150mhz. This is what I get in Wattman, which gives me the results displayed in gpuz.

 

You can change the memory clock using MPT. I bumped my default from 2000 to 2100 by changing the value for DPM3 from 1000 to 1050.

I also boosted the 100% TGP limit so over 500W (583W with +15% on the slider) TDP for GFX and an equal bump for TDC and SoC.

I also disabled the throttling mechanisc for PPT0.

13 hours ago, Raiderman said:

EVGA has these on their website store, but they are not the same as the straps I had before. I think I sent a link to you bro @Mr. Foxa few years back. I found those on Ebay. Single strap without the loop, I love those too.

 

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=K00K-00-000004

 

Edit: was just going to order some, but not worth the time. They limit your purchase to a quantity of 2 for a total of 4 straps...??

I don't even like that new kind that much. I mean, they're OK, but nothing special. I have a couple hundred of them like that without EVGA branding. (Literally bought a pack of like 200 on Amazon, LOL.) This type is not nearly as good as the kind we like that come with an EVGA graphics card.