*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[ssj92]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It should as long as the latency doesn't get extra sloppy. Are these SO-DIMM modules in a laptop without an opportunity for memory tuning? If so, no idea how it might turn out, or if you can do anything to improve the outcome.

Yes so-dimm. We've figured out how to "turn on and off" hidden options in BIOS so XMP should at least work. (the bios has an insane amount of hidden options including memory tuning so we are hoping to unlock these options) 

 

Timings should be at least the same if not better than the 4800mhz ram kit so hoping to boost the cpu scores. 

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, dog-gonnit, that sure didn't last long. The problem returned with a fury today. Trying to work and responding to emails between meetings became quite difficult because of disappearing text and artifacts/gibberish while typing. I confirmed the driver did not get a cancer update from the Redmond Reprobates. Same driver that helped 4 days ago is working as crummy as the latest. Very goofy. Several days of totally normal behavior, then suddenly the problem returns. 

 

One thing that I did observe immediately prior to the problem returning, and probably related, is that all of my desktop icons became black squares. I fixed that by deleting the files in the icon cache and restarting Windows Explorer.  All of the icons immediately returned to normal, but the old issue returned. Weird.

 

I've going to try doing a clean re-install of the AMD display driver to see if that re-fixes this font rendering glitch. Or, maybe I will try an even older driver based on this person's comments. I am on 22.20.27.07.

 

5 hours ago, Rage Set said:

You're going to make me want to join you on this hunt and install Office on my all AMD rig. It is strange that it only affects MS Office. You don't have AMD Anti-Lag enabled or the AMD sharpening (forgot the name of it). 

 

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I just downgraded to their June 2022 driver (was on October 2022) and if that does not fix the problem, I may nuke everything with DDU, reinstall and omit CCC/Adrenaline all together and just install using the INF for barebones. The OS where this matters is the one I use for work and I do not need to adjust anything  the control panel makes function. All I need is display output with no nonsense.

Hmm, well that did not help even a little bit. No change. I decided to install the first release beta driver for 6900 XT and so far that  seems like the best yet. I also chose the minimal installation option with the most basic configuration options. Will see how it does over the next few days. I don't need any of the worthless gamerpunk stream-sissy bloatware or performance tuning capabilities, especially on my work OS.

 

  

9 minutes ago, ssj92 said:

Yes so-dimm. We've figured out how to "turn on and off" hidden options in BIOS so XMP should at least work. (the bios has an insane amount of hidden options including memory tuning so we are hoping to unlock these options) 

 

Timings should be at least the same if not better than the 4800mhz ram kit so hoping to boost the cpu scores. 

Is the IC Hynix A-die, M-die, something else, or you don't know until you get them? Even if you can't increase the frequency, if the laptop CPU has a half-decent memory controller you should be able to drop the primary timings to something substantially lower, like CL32-34-34-28 2T. Samsung should be able to do similar timings, as it is only limited in frequency headroom. Micron  hasn't been great for DDR5 performance tuning.

[ssj92]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

 

Hmm, well that did not help even a little bit. No change. I decided to install the first release beta driver for 6900 XT and so far that  seems like the best yet. I also chose the minimal installation option with the most basic configuration options. Will see how it does over the next few days. I don't need any of the worthless gamerpunk stream-sissy bloatware or performance tuning capabilities, especially on my work OS.

 

  

Is the IC Hynix A-die, M-die, something else, or you don't know until you get them? Even if you can't increase the frequency, if the laptop CPU has a half-decent memory controller you should be able to drop the primary timings to something substantially lower, like CL32-34-34-28 2T. Samsung should be able to do similar timings, as it is only limited in frequency headroom. Micron  hasn't been great for DDR5 performance tuning.

Interesting, I will take a look at both RAM modules tomorrow. I assume the markings on the IC chips should tell me which die they are?

[Talon]

16 minutes ago, ssj92 said:

Question on RAM...

 

Will DDR5 5600Mhz CL40 make a nice difference over 4800Mhz CL40 on 13th gen?

 

Looking at timespy/fire strike cpu score, cinebench r23, etc. 

 

I mean I already ordered the RAM LOL just was curious 

 

 

BTW how is everyone getting windows 7 working on 13th gen? Is it just turning on CSM? I would assume drivers aren't easily available. 

 

I have the have the 5600 CL40 kit for my Legion 13900HX.. Sitting in the closet. I purchased both the 2x16gb kit and 2x32gb kit. Both are A-Dies, both will not run above 4800 CL40 because reasons? They're Plug and Play, no XMP required and yet Lenovo still blocks them on an "UNLOCKED" CPU. It's shit like this that pisses me off. They also only require 1.1v which is stock JEDEC stuff. The stock Legion ram is 5600 CL46, and still these won't even run at that speed. 

 

Alienware may work flawlessly with them, Razer Blade works fine with them. But both Asus and Lenovo are no go for now. I even have unlocked BIOS and they have no XMP or way to make them work. It's like they have a whitelist for memory. 

 

GSkill has some 4800 CL34 that will work but those are Samsung and I'm not gonna bother going down to 4800 from 5600. I sent the 64gb kit back to Provantage after I discovered they were a no go. I got an great price on them too which is a shame. Dual Rank A-Dies in a laptop at 5600 would have been great, but maybe down the line we can get it sorted. 

[Mr. Fox]

14 minutes ago, ssj92 said:

Interesting, I will take a look at both RAM modules tomorrow. I assume the markings on the IC chips should tell me which die they are?

It should unless the memory maker has replaced the generic foundry markings with their own proprietary identification. Some of them do that, which kind of sucks. I have seen desktop and laptop RAM where they have obscured IC identification this way. But, you can use CPU-Z, AIDA64 or the shareware/demo version of Thaiphoon Burner to identify the IC if the markings have been stupified into something meaningless. Thaiphoon Burner won't let you manipulate DDR5, but it does tell you more about the IC and SPD firmware than any other software does.

12 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

I have the have the 5600 CL40 kit for my Legion 13900HX.. Sitting in the closet. I purchased both the 2x16gb kit and 2x32gb kit. Both are A-Dies, both will not run above 4800 CL40 because reasons? They're Plug and Play, no XMP required and yet Lenovo still blocks them on an "UNLOCKED" CPU. It's shit like this that pisses me off. They also only require 1.1v which is stock JEDEC stuff. The stock Legion ram is 5600 CL46, and still these won't even run at that speed. 

 

Alienware may work flawlessly with them, Razer Blade works fine with them. But both Asus and Lenovo are no go for now. I even have unlocked BIOS and they have no XMP or way to make them work. It's like they have a whitelist for memory. 

 

GSkill has some 4800 CL34 that will work but those are Samsung and I'm not gonna bother going down to 4800 from 5600. I sent the 64gb kit back to Provantage after I discovered they were a no go. I got an great price on them too which is a shame. Dual Rank A-Dies in a laptop at 5600 would have been great, but maybe down the line we can get it sorted. 

Of course, nothing is the same when it comes to laptops and SO-DIMMs and crippled firmware, so take my desktop memory experience with a grain of salt. It may be worthless.

 

On desktop DDR5, Samsung B-die is on par with Hynix M-die until you try to push the clocks past 6200-6400 (varies by silicon lottery) and up to that point I found the Samsung B-die to be very stable and performant. I would assume (which is also worthless) that the Samsung B-die would be a good option for Ryzen since the maximum overclocking limitations are similar for the CPU and RAM. I was able to run Samsung B-die up to 6200-6400 in the Unify-X with really tight timings and low latency.

[ssj92]

14 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

I have the have the 5600 CL40 kit for my Legion 13900HX.. Sitting in the closet. I purchased both the 2x16gb kit and 2x32gb kit. Both are A-Dies, both will not run above 4800 CL40 because reasons? They're Plug and Play, no XMP required and yet Lenovo still blocks them on an "UNLOCKED" CPU. It's shit like this that pisses me off. They also only require 1.1v which is stock JEDEC stuff. The stock Legion ram is 5600 CL46, and still these won't even run at that speed. 

 

Alienware may work flawlessly with them, Razer Blade works fine with them. But both Asus and Lenovo are no go for now. I even have unlocked BIOS and they have no XMP or way to make them work. It's like they have a whitelist for memory. 

 

GSkill has some 4800 CL34 that will work but those are Samsung and I'm not gonna bother going down to 4800 from 5600. I sent the 64gb kit back to Provantage after I discovered they were a no go. I got an great price on them too which is a shame. Dual Rank A-Dies in a laptop at 5600 would have been great, but maybe down the line we can get it sorted. 

People have the 32GB (2x16GB) kit running at 5600mhz and the 64gb (2x32gb) kit running at 5200mhz out of the box on alienware m18. 

 

Since I found how to modify the hidden values in bios I should be able to run 5600mhz on the 64gb kit. 

 

AW claims it supports up to 5800mhz RAM so maybe I can OC, we'll see 

[Mr. Fox]

12 minutes ago, ssj92 said:

People have the 32GB (2x16GB) kit running at 5600mhz and the 64gb (2x32gb) kit running at 5200mhz out of the box on alienware m18. 

 

Since I found how to modify the hidden values in bios I should be able to run 5600mhz on the 64gb kit. 

 

AW claims it supports up to 5800mhz RAM so maybe I can OC, we'll see 

It is unfortunate that there is such a profound chasm between what is allowed with desktops and laptops by the control freaks locking everything down. I am sure they are capable of achieving a massive degree greater performance than what is permitted through lockdowns. My Strix Z690-E 4-DIMM mobo really sucks at memory overclocking and it still runs 6400 CL30-38-38-28 2T and very tight secondary timings without breaking a sweat using Hynix M-die. And, my 24/7 memory overclock on the Dark is 8000 CL35-48-48-42 2T with tight secondary timings (Hynix A-die). The challenge would be keeping the memory from overheating in a laptop because overclocked DDR5 runs stupid hot in a desktop as well with the chintzy trash heatsinks heating blankets they put on them that look pretty and do a marvelous job of trapping heat. (Actually runs cooler naked sticks with air circulation than with the heating blankets.)

[ssj92]

1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said:

It is unfortunate that there is such a profound chasm in what is allowed with desktops and laptops by the control freaks locking everything down. I am sure they are capable of achieving a massive degree of performance that what is permitted through lockdowns. My Strix Z690-E 4-DIMM mobo sucks at memory overclocking and it runs 6400 CL30-38-38-28 2T and very tight secondary timings without breaking a sweat with Hynix M-die. And, my 24/7 memory overclock on the Dark is 8000 CL35-48-48-42 2T with tight secondary timings (Hynix A-die). The challenge would be keeping the memory from overheating in a laptop because overclocked DDR5 runs stupid hot in a desktop as well with the chintzy trash heatsinks heating blankets they put on them that look pretty and do a marvelous job of trapping heat.

Funny you mention that, the m18 has a 4th fan specifically inside, pushing air to the RAM lol

 

From what I can see online, 5600Mhz is the fastest SODIMM available. One reasoning apperently is there is some flaw with DDR5 SODIMM in design that doesn't let it hit 6000mhz or something? Idk, desktop RAM starting with DDR4 surpassed laptop speeds and DDR5 is making it worse. I remember DDR3 on laptops was basically on par with desktop speeds. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 minute ago, ssj92 said:

Funny you mention that, the m18 has a 4th fan specifically inside, pushing air to the RAM lol

 

From what I can see online, 5600Mhz is the fastest SODIMM available. One reasoning apperently is there is some flaw with DDR5 SODIMM in design that doesn't let it hit 6000mhz or something? Idk, desktop RAM starting with DDR4 surpassed laptop speeds and DDR5 is making it worse. I remember DDR3 on laptops was basically on par with desktop speeds. 

That is good. They need that fan.

 

The stock memory speed doesn't matter if you have access to memory controls and voltage. None of my DDR5 modules have XMP profiles. They are cheap generic server modules with no branding. The memory I have running at 6400 has a default of 4800 and the memory I have running at 8000 has a default clock of 5600. And, both have sloppy loose default timings. Manual memory overclocking is always better than XMP, but not if you cannot access all of the timings and voltage is locked.

[ssj92]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

That is good. They need that fan.

 

The stock memory speed doesn't matter if you have access to memory controls and voltage. None of my DDR5 modules have XMP profiles. They are cheap generic server modules with no branding. The memory I have running at 6400 has a default of 4800 and the memory I have running at 8000 has a default clock of 5600. And, both have sloppy loose default timings. Manual memory overclocking is always better than XMP, but not if you cannot access all of the timings and voltage is locked.

Interesting, that gets me excited. So from your testing, how high were you able to push ddr5 at the stock 1.1v? Would be cool to hit at least 6000mhz. If I cannot, I want to see if I can at least lower timings at stock clocks and voltage. 

 

Here's the hidden options (no idea if they will work):

there's also "dynamic memory boost" and "realtime memory frequency" options 

 

[Mr. Fox]

21 minutes ago, ssj92 said:

Interesting, that gets me excited. So from your testing, how high were you able to push ddr5 at the stock 1.1v? Would be cool to hit at least 6000mhz. If I cannot, I want to see if I can at least lower timings at stock clocks and voltage. 

I do not tune anything with a goal of maintaining low power and low voltage. I always go for max performance and the power and voltage turns out to be whatever it is when I am done. I have not made any effort to tune the memory at 1.100V, so I have no idea. It certainly would not surprise me if a good bin of Hynix A-die could run 6000 with 1.100V with default timings.

 

When you start cinching down the timings is when the low voltage begins to peter-out. You lose stability and can't boot anymore. That is why SO-DIMM modules usually have atrociously sloppy loose memory timings like pathetic 3200 CL20 DDR4 modules. That allows them to run stock low voltage and accommodate CPUs with garbage memory controllers.

  

21 minutes ago, ssj92 said:

Here's the hidden options (no idea if they will work):

there's also "dynamic memory boost" and "realtime memory frequency" options 

 

Well, it is good that the underlying code is there if you can get it unlocked and exposed. I have no idea what any of it means as it relates to the hex values. I am assuming the columns with zeroes reflect the absence of code on the modules if that is a dump from a live system. 

 

I am running 1.475V for 8000 CL35-48-48-42 2T.

 

[Etern4l]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Don't cinch down the screws with the contact frame. It doesn't need to be tight. I've had to straighten bent CPU socket pins before. Both times were on the same motherboard and I could not identify a reason for the pins getting bent. This was on 10th Gen and no CPU frame. I think what happens is sometimes the pins can randomly not compress at exactly the same rate and may collide with one another while battening down the hatches. The speed at which the ILM arm is lowered (if too fast) might contribute to it happening.

 

The bent pins can be hard to spot and only visible with light shining at an angle to help you see a difference in reflection. In the example I mentioned above, both times the bent pin was on the outer edge row, which might also have been caused by setting the CPU into the socket starting from an edge and "hinging" it down into place rather that setting it into the socket flat. I never had the problem before and never after. Being on the outer edge made the bent pin even harder to identify, There was less to contrast the light reflection against since it was not surrounded by other pins, but being on the outer edge row made it super easy to correct, pushing it back into alignment using a sewing needle. I did not have to worry about disturbing pins surrounding it on four sides.

 

This seems significantly harder than LGA1200. It's very difficult to even make out the pins and a sewing needle is almost too thick for the job. I had to use a magnifying glass + strong glasses to make sense of what's going on. The pins are incredibly fragile, much easier to bend than on LGA1200 from what I could see on YT videos. Another one for the list of Intel's engineering fails with this platform, unfortunately, and again due to the socket being inadequately small. The AI advancements came too late to help Raja with that one. 

 

The biggest issue with the contact frame, as opposed to the ILM, is probably the fact that not being 4-handed robotsx and not typically having 4 wrenches/screwdrivers of the appropriate type available, we are unable to lower the frame evenly on our own, so there is always some lateral force which could induce some  pins to bend. If the board survives, I will be taking a minimum 30 min to lower the frame lol Not tightening too much is also good advice, albeit it's less of problem with the Thermaltake frame, since it's thicker than der8auer's, hits the mobo and probably impossible to catastrophically overtighten. 

[Mr. Fox]

18 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

This seems significantly harder than LGA1200. It's very difficult to even make out the pins and a sewing needle is almost too thick for the job. I had to use a magnifying glass + strong glasses to make sense of what's going on. The pins are incredibly fragile, much easier to bend than on LGA1200 from what I could see on YT videos. Another one for the list of Intel's engineering fails with this platform, unfortunately, and again due to the socket being inadequately small. 

 

The biggest issue with the contact frame, as opposed to the ILM, is probably the fact that not being 4-handed robotsx and not typically having 4 wrenches/screwdrivers of the appropriate type available, we are unable to lower the frame evenly on our own, so there is always some lateral force which could induce some  pins to bend. If the board survives, I will be taking a minimum 30 min to lower the frame lol Not tightening too much is also good advice, albeit it's less of problem with the Thermaltake frame, since it's thicker than der8auer's, hits the mobo and probably impossible to catastrophically overtighten. 

Yes, the Thermalright frames are great. I simply start all 4 screws so the treads are engaged and go in a criss-cross pattern using the Torx wrench pinched between my thumb and index finger on the upright shaft part of the wrench. As soon as I cannot tighten them more pinched between by thumb and finger I stop tightening. I do not use the L-shaped top for added leverage to tighten further. Then I allow the waterblock to press the CPU into the socket the rest of the way. 

 

You're right, though. I do not believe you can easily overtighten with the Thermalright frame because the base makes contact with the motherboard and can't press the CPU into the socket any deeper. 

[Papusan]

https://hwbot.org/submission/5238158_papusan_3dmark_vantage___performance_geforce_gtx_980_85552_marks?recalculate=true

 

 

Once again right in front of Oviz😆

https://hwbot.org/submission/5238160_papusan_3dmark_vantage___performance_(gpu)_geforce_gtx_980_74682_marks?recalculate=true

 

On 3/28/2023 at 9:34 PM, Reciever said:

I believe iunlock is still a part of the Prema HWBOT team. Perhaps that may need reconsideration?

On 3/28/2023 at 9:40 PM, johnksss said:

Not any more.

 

https://hwbot.org/user/iunlock/

[tps3443]

Does Hwbot block PM’s or replies to FS post if you don’t have very many post on your account? There is a Z690 Apex for sale but I do not see an option to respond to the post. 
 

I sent him a PM. But I’m not even sure he got it. 
 

Could someone message him for me? He has a 2022 Apex Z690 for $300 euros. 

[ssj92]

Woah what I miss about iunlock 

 

 

I need to start submitting stuff to hwbot 

[Raiderman]

11 hours ago, ssj92 said:

Question on RAM...

 

Will DDR5 5600Mhz CL40 make a nice difference over 4800Mhz CL40 on 13th gen?

 

Looking at timespy/fire strike cpu score, cinebench r23, etc. 

 

I mean I already ordered the RAM LOL just was curious 

 

 

BTW how is everyone getting windows 7 working on 13th gen? Is it just turning on CSM? I would assume drivers aren't easily available. 

I doubt any new laptop has a csm option at all, even with hidden options enabled. You can install windows 7 in pure uefi, but it's tricky. My digital life forums has some guides.

[cylix]

44 minutes ago, ssj92 said:

Woah what I miss about iunlock 

 

 

I need to start submitting stuff to hwbot 

Looks like he scammed some people..

 

 

[ssj92]

33 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

I doubt any new laptop has a csm option at all, even with hidden options enabled. You can install windows 7 in pure uefi, but it's tricky. My digital life forums has some guides.

There are plenty of bootloaders so csm isn't an issue. I was more curious on if the chipset drivers all install normally or there's a custom chipset driver somewhere. 

[Raiderman]

2 hours ago, ssj92 said:

There are plenty of bootloaders so csm isn't an issue. I was more curious on if the chipset drivers all install normally or there's a custom chipset driver somewhere. 

Not sure about Intel chipsets, but canonkong on winraid has modified AMD chipset drivers, and USB drivers.

https://winraid.level1techs.com/c/operating-systems/windows-7-vista-server-2008/35/none

[Papusan]

Is this a joke or reality? 

 

Nvidia GeForce RTX 4050 desktop variant could launch with just 6 GB of VRAM

Nvidia is expected to unveil the GeForce RTX 4050 desktop sometime in June 2023, the leaker adds. While the pitifully low amount of VRAM will prevent it from running many modern-day (and some older) AAA titles at any meaningful framerate/resolution, the performance deficit could be offset by DLSS 3 and the architectural improvements bought forth by Ada Lovelace.

 

As long as specs are considered, the RTX 4050 desktop could share the GPU specs with the laptop variant (2560 CUDA cores). The leaker also commented on memory specs for this variant. It is reportedly equipped with 6GB memory, just like the laptop SKU. This means a downgrade from the Ampere series...

 

RTX 3050....

 

 

 

Nvidia isn't the only one that think greed is great.....

 

AMD and Intel motherboard prices skyrocket past surging inflation rates thanks to 35-40% ASP increases

[Etern4l]

 

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

Is this a joke or reality?

AMD and Intel motherboard prices skyrocket past surging inflation rates thanks to 35-40% ASP increases

 

Tell me about it bro.

 

"Phew, I wanted to upgrade to Z790 anyway" 

 

Yep, my mobo is dead - broken pin. Needed 30x magnification to confirm this, nuts.

 

Actually, not clear if it's worth getting a Z790 replacement. Interestingly MSI now supports 24GB and 48GB modules on both Z690 and Z790. Z690 is now almost half the price of Z790. Not sure the latter is worth the premium, def don't need more PCIe 5.0, or 7800 RAM support.

[Rage Set]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Is this a joke or reality? 

 

Nvidia GeForce RTX 4050 desktop variant could launch with just 6 GB of VRAM

Nvidia is expected to unveil the GeForce RTX 4050 desktop sometime in June 2023, the leaker adds. While the pitifully low amount of VRAM will prevent it from running many modern-day (and some older) AAA titles at any meaningful framerate/resolution, the performance deficit could be offset by DLSS 3 and the architectural improvements bought forth by Ada Lovelace.

 

As long as specs are considered, the RTX 4050 desktop could share the GPU specs with the laptop variant (2560 CUDA cores). The leaker also commented on memory specs for this variant. It is reportedly equipped with 6GB memory, just like the laptop SKU. This means a downgrade from the Ampere series...

 

RTX 3050....

 

 

 

Nvidia isn't the only one that think greed is great.....

 

AMD and Intel motherboard prices skyrocket past surging inflation rates thanks to 35-40% ASP increases

 

They have been waiting a long time to raise the ASP to over 25% and the "inflation" and "chip shortages" gave them the power. 

 

Now, oddly they are ignoring the global recession that we are in. Or perhaps not. Perhaps they know that and are raising the margins to cover the lower number of units sold.

 

Those record profits from the pandemic made a lot of these companies overvalued in the stock market and they HAVE to keep showing growth. It is all going to topple over. 

[Mr. Fox]

19 hours ago, ssj92 said:

BTW how is everyone getting windows 7 working on 13th gen? Is it just turning on CSM? I would assume drivers aren't easily available. 

Windows 7 works fine on both of my Z690 systems. Perfomance is better (as expected) than Windoze 10 or Winduhz 11. The wildcard is not the motherboard chipset or CPU. I am using modded drivers and some require no modding. The real problem is functional graphics and networking driver support. There are no working driver mods for the curent generation components that I am aware of. All of my attempts to mod drivers for 4090 have failed. The drivers install and then the components fail to work with Device Manager code 10 or code 43. 3090 works flawlessly on Windows 7. 4090 does not. Intel graphics do not work (discrete and integrated) and I am assuming that 7900 XT/XTX also has no driver support. WiFi 6 has no functional driver support. I have no doubt all of these parts would work flawlessly, but the hardware OEMs are deliberately and actively implementing measures that interfere with functionality because they are fundamentally evil people and corrupt control freaks that are guided by nefarious intent.

  

3 hours ago, Rage Set said:

Now, oddly they are ignoring the global recession that we are in. Or perhaps not. Perhaps they know that and are raising the margins to cover the lower number of units sold.

 

Those record profits from the pandemic made a lot of these companies overvalued in the stock market and they HAVE to keep showing growth. It is all going to topple over. 

To the extent we can facilitate their financial failure, we should. If we all do our part, we can reward their greed with record low sales and losses that are too great to be offset by absolutely absurd price gouging. We have the power to exact vengeance and deliver harsh retribuion. As much as it is fitting and deserved, I am skeptical that we will.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

They have been waiting a long time to raise the ASP to over 25% and the "inflation" and "chip shortages" gave them the power. 

 

Now, oddly they are ignoring the global recession that we are in. Or perhaps not. Perhaps they know that and are raising the margins to cover the lower number of units sold.

 

Those record profits from the pandemic made a lot of these companies overvalued in the stock market and they HAVE to keep showing growth. It is all going to topple over. 

If they have removed some of the modern garbage bling bling they prefer put all over the board (they use it to attract the kiddos), they could retract the the awful price increase and put prices to before the inflation started raise. And stop put the blame on more expensive manufacturing of vital components as signaling. Greed in combination with stupidity is a main driving factor for where we are today. Remove that fancy aRGB trash + malware software, then focus on quality, useful features and put the prices where they should be. We see the same also happen for etc AIOs. More fancy trash added to the product to push up the prices. 

 

 

Unhinged Rant About Motherboards...

11:20 - The Wrong Features -  Gamers Nexus

13:02 - ASUS MALWARE TANGENT RANT - Gamers Nexus

 

Edit. I checked different boards for a normal price for my son. Almost none of the boards had debug-code display. Almost all MB costed double the price vs what I and him wanted to pay. So in the end I bougt the Gigabyte Z690 AORUS PRO. 50% of what I had to pay for a Asus board with same features. The damn bling bling push the cost minimum 30% over what it has to cost.