*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[ryan]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Is this Plague tale built in benchmark? I haven’t played that game much at all. Maybe 30 minutes about a year ago, and got too busy to enjoy it. I’ll try it again. 

its the enemies benchmark, the best looking game demo ever made..and ha the most demanding(shock and awe)

[Mr. Fox]

7 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Anyways, how is the Z790 Apex? Is it solid? Working well for you? 

Too early to tell but I think it'll be okay. Struggling now to get my 8200 memory overclock back to where it was on the Z690 Dark. The timings and voltage I used on the EVGA motherboard don't seem to work on the Asus. It looks like it needs more voltage and a little bit looser timings than the EVGA board did.

 

[Custom90gt]

No idea how you guys are installing this Enemies on this clunky Unity Hub. The screens shots look great, but what a waste of time trying to figure this out.

[Etern4l]

15 minutes ago, Custom90gt said:

No idea how you guys are installing this Enemies on this clunky Unity Hub. The screens shots look great, but what a waste of time trying to figure this out.

I feel the same, no prebuilt Linux version so

 

 

Unity! 😉

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Custom90gt said:

No idea how you guys are installing this Enemies on this clunky Unity Hub. The screens shots look great, but what a waste of time trying to figure this out.

If you downloaded the project delete that. Download the EXE version. Extract it and run one of the batch files. Totally portable nothing to install. The reason I know this is because I got lucky on the first try. I didn't have to research or find a solution. Once in awhile I get lucky. 

 

@Etern4lI'd be surprised if the portable EXE version did not run on Linux the way so many other games do that aren't supposed to. If I have time I'll try it later today. I'm going to try to get my office in better shape so I can work without losing my mind this week. All the parts piled up on the empty desk is triggering my OCD real bad.

[Etern4l]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

@Etern4lI'd be surprised if the portable EXE version did not run on Linux the way so many other games do that aren't supposed to. If I have time I'll try it later today. I'm going to try to get my office in better shape so I can work without losing my mind this week. All the parts piled up on the empty desk is triggering my OCD real bad.

 

Well, I tried Lutris, latest libs, DLSS support etc. Hard crash somewhere in unityplayer, no debug info. could have been because I had less than 2GB of VRAM available at the time, but then would expect an appropriate error message.
 

 

Good luck, you might need it with this one bro. I mean @Custom90gt didn't manage to run it on Windoze.... probably fair to assume it’s not the most stable and polished piece of software.

[Clamibot]

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

 

Well, I tried Lutris, latest libs, DLSS support etc. Hard crash somewhere in unityplayer, no debug info. could have been because I had less than 2GB of VRAM available at the time, but then would expect an appropriate error message.
 

 

Good luck, you might need it with this one bro. I mean @Custom90gt didn't manage to run it on Windoze.... probably fair to assume it’s not the most stable and polished piece of software.

 

As a Unity developer myself (as in I develop games using Unity, not the engine), I stick to the LTS releases of the editor because of weird things that can happen with alpha and non LTS verisons. Perhaps you can try downloading the latest 2022 LTS version of the editor and try importing the Enemies demo package into a new HDRP project created using that editor version.

 

Edit: Oh I see, the package was developed with a 2023 version. Yeah that explains why your editor has unexplained crashes. There is no 2023 LTS version of the editor yet. The 2022 LTS was just released earlier this month.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

Good luck, you might need it with this one bro. I mean @Custom90gt didn't manage to run it on Windoze.... probably fair to assume it’s not the most stable and polished piece of software.

Interesting. It ran flawless for me on Windoze, but I haven't tried it on Linux.

  

Just now, Clamibot said:

 

As a Unity developer myself (as in I develop games using Unity, not the engine), I stick to the LTS releases of the editor because of weird things that can happen with alpha and non LTS verisons. Perhaps you can try downloading the latest 2022 LTS version of the editor and try importing the Enemies demo package into a new HDRP project created using that editor version.

 

Edit: Oh I see, the package was developed with a 2023 version. Yeah that explains why your editor has unexplained crashes. There is no 2023 LTS version of the editor yet. The 2022 LTS was just released earlier this month.

I just downloaded the compressed executable version, unzipped it to a folder and ran one of the batch files. Not a hitch of any kind. I did not install anything and did not download the "project" file.

[ryan]

I have it installed and it boots but it doesn't boot lol. 1fps ok 2 sure . I think I might be running out of vram I only have 6gb, no other reason why it won't run. I really want to see the demo in action it's some of the most revolutionary rendering thus far.

[Etern4l]

11 minutes ago, ryan said:

I have it installed and it boots but it doesn't boot lol. 1fps ok 2 sure . I think I might be running out of vram I only have 6gb, no other reason why it won't run. I really want to see the demo in action it's some of the most revolutionary rendering thus far.

 

Insufficient VRAM would go a long way towards explaining the catastrophic slowdown. Did you actually observe VRAM being full (HWInfo etc) Perhaps @Clamibot can suggest some command line trick to scale the assets down so it all fits in 6GB... I assume you tried the the FHD-low preset, but perhaps there is more than can be done.

[ryan]

I got it running on low but its slower than molasses. my take

 

It looks better than crysis 3 well the facial details which I have not seen in the 10 years crysis 3 has been out. but crysis 3 zoomed in on the face gets 100plus fps at 4k and if I tried to run this benchmark at 4k I would be getting less than half a frame per second, which doesnt make alot of sense, just how many polygons is this thing pushing 20 million on the face haha.

 

I have no idea how person below is getting 14fps maxed at 1440p. my computer would blow up

 

 

[Reciever]

On 6/23/2023 at 7:35 PM, electrosoft said:

 

 

🤣😂

 

I laughed way too hard at this.....

 

 

Can't explain why but I'm imagining Mr Fox wearing a spartan helmet, sword in hand and a cup of coffee in the other ready to duel to the death for the cpu. 

 

 

I'd watch it. For science 

[electrosoft]

31 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Can't explain why but I'm imagining Mr Fox wearing a spartan helmet, sword in hand and a cup of coffee in the other ready to duel to the death for the cpu. 

 

 

I'd watch it. For science 

 

Yeah when I clicked the Hidden Content is when I laughed out loud. 😂

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

OK, finally had a chance to do some tuning. Since I need to work tomorrow I spent most of the day getting my home office back in order. I now have the open bench connected to my triple-screen setup and the Alphacool 1080 radiator on a temporary basis. All of the parts that will go into the work PC when the be quiet! case gets here are in a box.

 

The parts I sold are all boxed up and ready to ship tomorrow. It's 49 pounds worth in a box that measures 24x20x21 inches. I hope the UPS delivery person is not a wimp, LOL.

 

@tps3443it's all looking good. So far it seems like it's runing close to the same as the Z690 Dark. The voltage settings are a bit higher on the Apex, but not by a lot. I can't figure out how to disable Intel Guardband. It is either not there in the BIOS or ASUS decided to call it something else. 8200 stable is no problem. For some reason the ASUS BIOS skips over CL35. I ran that on the Dark, but it goes from 34 to 36. Memory latency performance is a tiny bit worse and it needs 100mV more TX voltage. Weird.

 

[Papusan]

Finally below 30C in and out. No aircondition and the houses here home is built to keep the houses warm in the winter. This is too much for me. Wish I had AC now. And the temp will continue as this the coming days. Not the best with broken lungs. 

 

[Etern4l]

15 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Finally below 30C in and out. No aircondition and the houses here home is built to keep the houses warm in the winter. This is too much for me. Wish I had AC now. And the temp will continue as this the coming days. Not the best with broken lungs. 

 

Sorry to hear, not how you want to spend your holiday. 32C over the weekend in the UK. Pretty crazy to see this and similar temps all the way up in Norway. Yeah, A/C is a must now - wasn’t quite the case 10 years ago…

[Mr. Fox]

It's rather toasty here, but not nearly as much as it will be in July and August. At least the overnight lows are not in the triple-digits (°F) yet. It is 108°F right now and should "cool" to 80°F overnight.

 

But, it's a dry heat.

 

[Papusan]

29 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It's rather toasty here, but not nearly as much as it will be in July and August. At least the overnight lows are not in the triple-digits (°F) yet. It is 108°F right now and should "cool" to 80°F overnight.

 

But, it's a dry heat.

 

Thats still hot. But if you can keep temp below 24-25C inside with an AC unit it helps a lot. I feel the problems come if the indoor temp start passing 26-27C. If its above 30C inside I start to have some real problems. Now in the night I have 25C innside with the windows up and 20.5C outside. 25C inside is okish to sit in but more difficult if you try sleep in the nights. As it is now... Difficult to sleep well. Temp in the nights should be more like 20-22C then it would be easier to come in sleep.

 

I may buy an heatpump for the fall/winter. This way I can have both the heat capacity in the winters (in combination with wood oven/oven as well have the aircondition funtionality the few weeks I need it in the summer. A heatpump isn't enough when the cold start... You need woodoven also. Middle Norway and further North and a heatpump ain't enough to heat up houses. They are only effecive from zero to 10 minus. But I really need that AC functionality now, HaHa

 

It cost around $2500-2800 but I will save some money on the heat functionality in the winters. I mean it will offer 3.5 times more heat for same amount money for each KW/h. So after 8 years it may pay off. Same time save my life in the summer 🙂

[ryan]

how much would it cost for a AC unit in your area. like a portable one, one for the bedroom

[Reciever]

50 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It's rather toasty here, but not nearly as much as it will be in July and August. At least the overnight lows are not in the triple-digits (°F) yet. It is 108°F right now and should "cool" to 80°F overnight.

 

But, it's a dry heat.

 

 

I basically work in those temperatures, if not a bit higher due to the heat generation from various (thousands) of PC's in a warehouse. I may have to quit though, HR is not approving my sick leave, and also not allowing me to return. Im not a supervisor or manager yet I manage up to 18 people for 10 different projects in a given day but private and public sectors with varying clearance levels.

 

They have been abusing me for some time now, though there is an offer to become a Project Manager. I didnt want to take it as a means of self preservation but this might be the only option on the table if I am to stay with this company. I know the PM's well and its their boss who made the offer, who has similar thought processes in terms of operations (where he used to operate). The title could prove useful in future endeavors though.

 

I despise crossroads.

[electrosoft]

Plight of the 13900ks and the MSI Z790i Edge:

 

I've been testing the 13900k on the MSI Z790I Edge ITX board in my tried and true workhorse test bench Corsair 540. I'm thinking I might have to send it back but the problem may exist on other ITX boards too.

 

At first, it ran at 5ghz with CB23 at ~35k no matter what I did so I started digging around in the BIOS and MSI defaults to ~307a versus 512a. I manually switched it back and the 13900ks was now running full tilt (ish). In hindsight this might be a purposeful choice on their part.

 

With default power MSI style (supplying too much) and amps adjusted accordingly, the board by nature is limited to 300w (single CPU power in like all ITX boards basically) so initial runs were hitting the 300w cap resulting in ~38k. You can tell at best this board is designed right around a normal 13900k and down.

 

I've been playing with lite load (aka MSI speak for LLC) and undervolting and reached a maximal equivalent of Mode 5 = -0.100 UV which keeps the CPU easily under the 300w cap and CB23 temp at ~68-71c.

 

Then I did some stability runs. Mode 5 crashes out at ~6min but using a stock UV of -0.100 it has no problems since auto LLC can compensate if needed for those pesky transients.

 

All is well, right? Nope.

 

The 13900ks just pushes the poor VRMs to the brink. Even with the fan/cooling system on the VRMs coming to life, once the VRMs hit ~95c the whole board throttles and enters VRM throttling hell as it touches 95c, speeds drop immediately to 3200 (yes, 3200) from 5600. As soon as it backs off to ~93c, they go back up. Touches 95c again, back down they go....rinse/repeat. Meanwhile the CPU is sitting well under 300w in all cases and temps never leave the 70s even at full proper load sustained till the VRMs hit 95c and back down we go.

 

I remember having this exact same problem with an Asrock Z390 Taichi years ago with a 9900ks before switching to an EVGA Z390 Classified and suddenly all those problems went away with better VRMs and VRM cooling.

 

Mind you, this is in a completely open case (as pictured) for testing with plenty of outside cooling. Putting this motherboard in a cramped, hot ITX case with a GPU also in there? I'm sure my normal D2D use would most likely not push the VRMs this hard but still to know under sustained load the VRMs give up the ghost...

 

I retested on my "lowly" Strix Z690 D4 set for a 30 min stability test with the 13900ks and the VRMs held strong the entire time not even breaking into the 80s. Score one for Asus here.

 

I'm thinking of reversing direction and moving the 13900ks to the desktop and building out the 7800X3D into an ITX juggernaut now since it consumes a fraction of the power.

 

 

Ugh....

 

 

[electrosoft]

51 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It's rather toasty here, but not nearly as much as it will be in July and August. At least the overnight lows are not in the triple-digits (°F) yet. It is 108°F right now and should "cool" to 80°F overnight.

 

But, it's a dry heat.

 

 

I'd kill for the dry heat. It isn't so much the temps in Jersey that are brutal but that humidity.....

 

Either give me humidity or give me high temps. Don't slap me around with both! 🙂

 

 

[tps3443]

26 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Plight of the 13900ks and the MSI Z790i Edge:

 

I've been testing the 13900k on the MSI Z790I Edge ITX board in my tried and true workhorse test bench Corsair 540. I'm thinking I might have to send it back but the problem may exist on other ITX boards too.

 

At first, it ran at 5ghz with CB23 at ~35k no matter what I did so I started digging around in the BIOS and MSI defaults to ~307a versus 512a. I manually switched it back and the 13900ks was now running full tilt (ish). In hindsight this might be a purposeful choice on their part.

 

With default power MSI style (supplying too much) and amps adjusted accordingly, the board by nature is limited to 300w (single CPU power in like all ITX boards basically) so initial runs were hitting the 300w cap resulting in ~38k. You can tell at best this board is designed right around a normal 13900k and down.

 

I've been playing with lite load (aka MSI speak for LLC) and undervolting and reached a maximal equivalent of Mode 5 = -0.100 UV which keeps the CPU easily under the 300w cap and CB23 temp at ~68-71c.

 

Then I did some stability runs. Mode 5 crashes out at ~6min but using a stock UV of -0.100 it has no problems since auto LLC can compensate if needed for those pesky transients.

 

All is well, right? Nope.

 

The 13900ks just pushes the poor VRMs to the brink. Even with the fan/cooling system on the VRMs coming to life, once the VRMs hit ~95c the whole board throttles and enters VRM throttling hell as it touches 95c, speeds drop immediately to 3200 (yes, 3200) from 5600. As soon as it backs off to ~93c, they go back up. Touches 95c again, back down they go....rinse/repeat. Meanwhile the CPU is sitting well under 300w in all cases and temps never leave the 70s even at full proper load sustained till the VRMs hit 95c and back down we go.

 

I remember having this exact same problem with an Asrock Z390 Taichi years ago with a 9900ks before switching to an EVGA Z390 Classified and suddenly all those problems went away with better VRMs and VRM cooling.

 

Mind you, this is in a completely open case (as pictured) for testing with plenty of outside cooling. Putting this motherboard in a cramped, hot ITX case with a GPU also in there? I'm sure my normal D2D use would most likely not push the VRMs this hard but still to know under sustained load the VRMs give up the ghost...

 

I retested on my "lowly" Strix Z690 D4 set for a 30 min stability test with the 13900ks and the VRMs held strong the entire time not even breaking into the 80s. Score one for Asus here.

 

I'm thinking of reversing direction and moving the 13900ks to the desktop and building out the 7800X3D into an ITX juggernaut now since it consumes a fraction of the power.

 

 

Ugh....

 

 

I wonder what would happen if you took apart the motherboards and revised their thermal pad/thermal paste/ heatsink mounting a little bit. Maybe even put one of those big Optimus Fujipoly pads on the entire backside of the motherboard VRM area. Or maybe some small little fans or something. 

[Papusan]

25 minutes ago, ryan said:

how much would it cost for a AC unit in your area. like a portable one, one for the bedroom

You may get one of them from $250-500. So I think about $750 for two with okish quality. No point in buying one that don't do a good job. I expect that for the cheapest. But have both the heat and the AC functionalty in one unit and you will save money after around 8 years. Maybe even before if the high prices on electricity continue. 750$ for lets say 4 weeks a year is still a lot money. And I won't get any use of it rest of the year. 

[tps3443]

3 minutes ago, Papusan said:

You may get one of them from $250-500. So I think about $750 for two with okish quality. No point in buying one that don't do a good job. I expect that for the cheapest. But have both the heat and the AC functionalty in one unit and you will save money after around 8 years. Maybe even before if the high prices on electricity continue. 750$ for lets say 4 weeks a year is still a lot money. And I won't get any use of it rest of the year. 

You can hook up a Mora3 or Pora3  to a waterchiller set the water to the coldest temp, blast all of the 120MM fans at 2,000RPM+ and you can cool down a room pretty quickly!!! 🤣 that air coming off the radiator fans is so COLD. Not only is it colder than my vents in my house A/C but It blows  equivalent to maybe 3-4 of them. I’m just joking here ^ but it absolutely works.