*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

11 hours ago, Papusan said:

Edit. See also results from the Tower air cooler. On level with AIOs not made for the new Intel processors. In short... I expect many still use their old AIOs for the new gen Intel processors. Aka they run hotter than needed.

 

Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 EVO Review

And the way they tested the cooler was idiotic. They made it seem like an acceptable solution by limiting the stress level and not running the CPU at full-tilt  maximum load. It is no wonder noobs and children are so dumb. They are being groomed to be stupid. The conclusion should have been if you want to use air cooling, buy a weaker CPU because the best air cooler can't handle maximum performance from a CPU that offers higher levels of performance.

[Raiderman]

Got my led fixed in my bykski gpu block, and also I am trying these new cable less fans. So far I'm impressed with not having a rats nest of wires, and they perform great for $25 for a set.

 

[Meaker]

39 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Got my led fixed in my bykski gpu block, and also I am trying these new cable less fans. So far I'm impressed with not having a rats nest of wires, and they perform great for $25 for a set.

 

That's looking good and it will help keep airflow clean too.

[Papusan]

15th place HWBOT X265 BENCHMARK - 4K and right below the LN2 results🙂

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5539834_papusan_hwbot_x265_benchmark___4k_core_i9_14900ks_54.5_fps/

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5539930_papusan_y_cruncher___pi_25m_core_i9_14900ks_(8p)_0sec_267ms

[ryan]

@Papusan bro what happened to you? Are you ok

 

It's out of character for you to post anything shy of 2nd place. As far as benching goes you are technically number 1 as the others likely get the special treatment with super bins. I know this from an interview with biso biso. They basically cheat by getting a golden carpet

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, ryan said:

@Papusan bro what happened to you? Are you ok

 

It's out of character for you to post anything shy of 2nd place. As far as benching goes you are technically number 1 as the others likely get the special treatment with super bins. I know this from an interview with biso biso. They basically cheat by getting a golden carpet

 

LOOL

 

Asus couldn't wait on Intel's fix. For the first time in very long time Asus offerd proper realased notes for this bios version, so the tech websites and the gamers could see that Asus take responsibility. Brand damaging can be expensive. Hmmm. Maybe Intel push the crash problem under the carpet now. They have probably forced the MB manufacturers to take the easiest step to reduce the crash problem. 

ASUS Releases BIOS Update for Enhanced Game Stability on Intel 13th and 14th Gen Processors

Published 4 hours ago by Hilbert Hagedoorn  0

ASUS has introduced a BIOS update designed to address game stability issues observed in Intel’s 13th and 14th generation processors. This update aims to rectify instabilities such as system crashes experienced during gameplay on various popular video games, including "Tekken 8," "Battlefield 2042," "Remnant 2," "Fortnite," "Lord of the Fallen," "Hogwarts Legacy," and "The Finals." These issues were noted even on systems with adequate memory and video memory, where players encountered error messages about insufficient memory. The stability problems have been linked to the BIOS settings, as well as the high clock frequencies and power consumption of Intel processors, which can lead to unexpected system behavior under heavy loads like gaming. In response to these challenges, motherboard manufacturers like ASUS and MSI, as well as PC builders such as Falcon Northwest, have developed solutions that mitigate these issues but may involve trade-offs.

[Mr. Fox]

47 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

LOOL

 

Asus couldn't wait on Intel's fix. For the first time in very long time Asus offerd proper realased notes for this bios version, so the tech websites and the gamers could see that Asus take responsibility. Brand damaging can be expensive. Hmmm. Maybe Intel push the crash problem under the carpet now. They have probably forced the MB manufacturers to take the easiest step to reduce the crash problem. 

ASUS Releases BIOS Update for Enhanced Game Stability on Intel 13th and 14th Gen Processors

Published 4 hours ago by Hilbert Hagedoorn  0

ASUS has introduced a BIOS update designed to address game stability issues observed in Intel’s 13th and 14th generation processors. This update aims to rectify instabilities such as system crashes experienced during gameplay on various popular video games, including "Tekken 8," "Battlefield 2042," "Remnant 2," "Fortnite," "Lord of the Fallen," "Hogwarts Legacy," and "The Finals." These issues were noted even on systems with adequate memory and video memory, where players encountered error messages about insufficient memory. The stability problems have been linked to the BIOS settings, as well as the high clock frequencies and power consumption of Intel processors, which can lead to unexpected system behavior under heavy loads like gaming. In response to these challenges, motherboard manufacturers like ASUS and MSI, as well as PC builders such as Falcon Northwest, have developed solutions that mitigate these issues but may involve trade-offs.

I honestly think it is all just clickbait and social media titillation, and the only problem is idiots that own computers and loose nuts on top of the keyboard. So, the ASUS solution is to release turdbook firmware for desktops and treat all of their customers like they are as dumb as a box of rocks. Many of them are, and they need to figure it out, or go back to consoles and turdbooks, rather than having their hands held by a baby-sitter. Leave the rest of us out of it. Not our problem.

[Papusan]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I honestly think it is all just clickbait and social media titillation, and the only problem is idiots that own computers and loose nuts on top of the keyboard. So, the ASUS solution is to release turdbook firmware for desktops and treat all of their customers like they are as dumb as a box of rocks. Many of them are, and they need to figure it out rather than being baby-sat. Leave the rest of us out of it. Not our problem.

Instead of force all changes in new bios for everyone they could offer guidelines for those that have or experience problems. 

 

SVID "Intel Fail Safe" found may not align to Intel spec & raises CPU voltage. Don't use as preventative, only if CPU unstable w/ other settings. TVB Voltage Optimizations ENabled lowers voltage.
"AUTO" C-States not always enabling properly on all mobo/CPU combos.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

33 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Instead of force all changes in new bios for everyone they could offer guidelines for those that have or experience problems. 

 

SVID "Intel Fail Safe" found may not align to Intel spec & raises CPU voltage. Don't use as preventative, only if CPU unstable w/ other settings. TVB Voltage Optimizations ENabled lowers voltage.
"AUTO" C-States not always enabling properly on all mobo/CPU combos.

 

 

Providing real solutions would be too difficult. Especially for ASUS. Just dumb it down for all.

[electrosoft]

41 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I honestly think it is all just clickbait and social media titillation, and the only problem is idiots that own computers and loose nuts on top of the keyboard. So, the ASUS solution is to release turdbook firmware for desktops and treat all of their customers like they are as dumb as a box of rocks. Many of them are, and they need to figure it out, or go back to consoles and turdbooks, rather than having their hands held by a baby-sitter. Leave the rest of us out of it. Not our problem.

 

As long as some stock settings are changed for Joe Gamer to not crash but does not neuter or hinder those who want to get under the hood and have full access, I am all for this change.

 

Like @Talon has been saying, the stock, out of the box settings are too aggressive and this time redlining the silicon that has already been pushed too far has had consequences. I ended up having to drive almost two hours and tune my cousin's system last week because it was overheating like crazy with a 14900ks he had a local shop (mistake #1) swap in for his 12700k and they told him when he said it was crashing "This is just how these new Intel chips run" and a I want to say an ID cooling level 240mm AIO. When All was said and done, we ran to MC and picked up an EK Nucleus 360mm AIO and some case fans. I took my industry sized vial of KPx over and a complete cleaning, proper air flow, replacing that POS AIO, newest BIOS update  and tuning his Asus Z690 Hero and it is now purring along properly. I also tuned his memory at 6400mhz too while I was there (he was running it at 4800mhz Jedec lol) but not too tight as that would take days to certify to my standards. I also undervolted his 3080ti so it wouldn't sound like a jet engine taking off and promised to take it apart and clean it up next time. He skipped 4000 series but plans on picking up a 5080 or 5090. I also cleaned up his W11 install. Everything is running right as rain while we game online and he now owes me dinner and drinks.

 

In case you're wondering, his MC purchased 14900ks was reported as SP108 but I'm not sure with Z690 reporting as even my 13900KS on the Z690 Strix kept coming back as an SP98 but once tested on a Z790i Strix came back as a proper SP115. I know his V/F curve had his 6.2 at 1.468v and once dialed in within 320w PL limits and a small UV it wasn't throttling at all. It looked to be a pretty decent sample.

 

So why mention this? My cousin is typical of Joe User. He plays BF, FO, FN, WoW and MW. He's also started playing Alan Wake which sent his system into crashingville. A simple bios update and 14900k swap in had his system (which was already poorly optimized overall. The two case fans was atrocious) freaking out and overheating/crashing.

 

 

[Raiderman]

Well crap, I had to go and be the guinea pig for MSI. Their latest bios broke 8000mhz  ram on my board. Ive tried for an hour to get it to post, and it just refuses. Expo on, expo off, it does not matter.

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

As long as some stock settings are changed for Joe Gamer to not crash but does not neuter or hinder those who want to get under the hood and have full access, I am all for this change.

 

Why not buy locked down Cpu's? This is just disgusting. I wonder how many gamers will run their unlocked Cpu's this way. You only need 8 cores Cpu's for games. 

 

Intel Core i9-14900KS (ASUS APEX Encore) Enforce Limits / Baseline:

 

https://wccftech.com/asus-intel-baseline-profile-option-bios-mitigate-14th-13th-gen-cpu-gaming-stability-issues/

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

Well crap, I had to go and be the guinea pig for MSI. Their latest bios broke 8000mhz  ram on my board. Ive tried for an hour to get it to post, and it just refuses. Expo on, expo off, it does not matter.

People told me I was crazy and "no way it could happen" but one of the MSI BIOS updates on my Unify-X erased the SPD on my TeamGroup Delta memory kit that was in it. Vitality Jungle confirmed it from the SPD dump. So, call me crazy... it was running like a top. I flashed the BIOS update and it never booted again with the memory that was installed at the time of the flash. 

 

Will your system POST using different modules?

[Raiderman]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

People told me I was crazy and "no way it could happen" but one of the MSI BIOS updates on my Unify-X erased the SPD on my TeamGroup Delta memory kit that was in it. Vitality Jungle confirmed it from the SPD dump. So, call me crazy... it was running like a top. I flashed the BIOS update and it never booted again with the memory that was installed at the time of the flash. 

 

Will your system POST using different modules?

It'll post and boot at 6000mhz. Zero of my settings will post 8000mhz. Both module sets do the same thing.

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Raiderman said:

Well crap, I had to go and be the guinea pig for MSI. Their latest bios broke 8000mhz  ram on my board. Ive tried for an hour to get it to post, and it just refuses. Expo on, expo off, it does not matter.

 

31 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

It'll post and boot at 6000mhz. Zero of my settings will post 8000mhz. Both module sets do the same thing.

 

Ack! Back to the previous BIOS you go.....

 

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Why not buy locked down Cpu's? This is just disgusting. I wonder how many gamers will run their unlocked Cpu's this way. You only need 8 cores Cpu's for games. 

 

Intel Core i9-14900KS (ASUS APEX Encore) Enforce Limits / Baseline:

 

https://wccftech.com/asus-intel-baseline-profile-option-bios-mitigate-14th-13th-gen-cpu-gaming-stability-issues/

 

For most normal users who don't care about R23 or benching, all they care about is gaming and not crashing. If new voluntary limits gets them stable, so be it. Other users (like us) will get under the hood and optimize our cooling as much as possible and then tune our chips to perform as well as possible in a D2D config along with a benching config.

 

This of course makes the 14900KS a bad buy for most consumers and it has already dropped in price to ~$664 from all sellers. If I was in the market for just a 24 core chip, I would go snag as cheap as possible 13900k as I could find, super cheap board with good VRMs and dirt cheap 7200mhz memory and save a ton of $$$$.

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

For most normal users who don't care about R23 or benching, all they care about is gaming and not crashing. If new voluntary limits gets them stable, so be it. Other users (like us) will get under the hood and optimize our cooling as much as possible and then tune our chips to perform as well as possible in a D2D config along with a benching config.

 

This of course makes the 14900KS a bad buy for most consumers and it has already dropped in price to ~$664 from all sellers. If I was in the market for just a 24 core chip, I would go snag as cheap as possible 13900k as I could find, super cheap board with good VRMs and dirt cheap 7200mhz memory and save a ton of $$$$.

 

 

I think the high boost clocks on the two cores is damn tempting for many of the normal users awerage Joe's. They have no clue how much power the i9 chips will gobbles up under max load. Once they see it for themself they start complain everywhere, then search up info and then try undervolt as much they can. With max undervolt to the brink the chips become unstable and they start once again crying about all sorts of problems. 

 

 

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The ugly truth......

 

This is maybe the reason EK always is empty or have very low stock on much of their stuff I want. I can see it in the webshops here home. Maybe they should stop make the whole range of hardware. And it will be easier to pay for the inventory and paying the workers.

 

EK is a well-known company for its niche-specific liquid cooling products. However, the burden of financial disarray causes significant damages; it will take nothing short of a miracle to fix many of these issues. 

EKWB reportedly plagued with financial disarray

 

 

[Rage Set]

All of this talk of an air cooler that can't cool a fiery 14900KS at over 300W has me laughing. I tried cooling a 14900KS with air cooling in an upcoming review, hahaha. 

[Papusan]

This is an interesting view of the Intel 13 and 14th gen problems. 

 

 

3 hours ago, Rage Set said:

All of this talk of an air cooler that can't cool a fiery 14900KS at over 300W has me laughing. I tried cooling a 14900KS with air cooling in an upcoming review, hahaha. 

 

Looking forwards to the review bro Rage😀 And please try oc as well. So don't forget to increase the temp throttling target to 115C in bios🤩 I've always wondered what overheated electronics smell like. Never experienced that. So please try and explain it in layman's English that I can understand. Thanks

 

 

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5541007_papusan_superpi___32m_core_i9_14900ks_(8p)_3min_54sec_543ms?recalculate=true

 

Right below the sub zero benchers🙂

[Raiderman]

16 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

Ack! Back to the previous BIOS you go.....

 

 

For most normal users who don't care about R23 or benching, all they care about is gaming and not crashing. If new voluntary limits gets them stable, so be it. Other users (like us) will get under the hood and optimize our cooling as much as possible and then tune our chips to perform as well as possible in a D2D config along with a benching config.

 

This of course makes the 14900KS a bad buy for most consumers and it has already dropped in price to ~$664 from all sellers. If I was in the market for just a 24 core chip, I would go snag as cheap as possible 13900k as I could find, super cheap board with good VRMs and dirt cheap 7200mhz memory and save a ton of $$$$.

 

Unless I'm missing something in the BIOS settings, msi needs a failsafe routine added to their code. If my x570 asrock board would fail to post 3 times, it would load defaults, and enter the BIOS. This msi board forces you to reset the cmos, which is annoying. I know this board has a memory "try it", but it's not configurable.

[Papusan]

On 4/21/2024 at 1:50 AM, Papusan said:

This is maybe the reason EK always is empty or have very low stock on much of their stuff I want. I can see it in the webshops here home. Maybe they should stop make the whole range of hardware. And it will be easier to pay for the inventory and paying the workers.

 

EK is a well-known company for its niche-specific liquid cooling products. However, the burden of financial disarray causes significant damages; it will take nothing short of a miracle to fix many of these issues. 

EKWB reportedly plagued with financial disarray

 

 

EK under fierce fire. And even Jayz see what I have seen regarding Hardware inventory. They need to reduce it if they want to survive as company.

 

 

 

EKWB and a financial disaster with an announcement: unpaid bills, exploited employees and angry creditors like me igorslab.de

 

The Cashe start being a bit flaky and prone to crash the system with one multi up (+5790). Higher voltage may help. Or just get it colder or lower the mem clock but with lower cas latency. So many options to boost scores, LOOL

https://hwbot.org/submission/5541810_papusan_pifast_core_i9_14900ks_(8p)_8sec_830ms?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5541766_papusan_superpi___32m_core_i9_14900ks_(8p)_3min_54sec_34ms/

[electrosoft]

Set up my Alienware AW3225QF Oled 32" today and I've been playing around with it for awhile.

 

I was previously using a 43" Samsung G7 144hz 4k IPS 8-bit display for over a year (~13 months) and as expected this thing crushes its picture quality.

 

I would say this is like taking my favorite previous 32" BenQ 10-bit 60hz Gsync display and giving it 240hz with OLED level blacks.

 

Still not a fan of curved displays but the curve is slight enough to not send me into fits.

 

After going back and forth with HDR and testing, I actually prefer it off most of the time including in some games. For example, Fallout 76 looks better with it off but Starfield looks better with it on. For movies I prefer it on.

 

[Talon]

9 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Set up my Alienware AW3225QF Oled 32" today and I've been playing around with it for awhile.

 

I was previously using a 43" Samsung G7 144hz 4k IPS 8-bit display for over a year (~13 months) and as expected this thing crushes its picture quality.

 

I would say this is like taking my favorite previous 32" BenQ 10-bit 60hz Gsync display and giving it 240hz with OLED level blacks.

 

Still not a fan of curved displays but the curve is slight enough to not send me into fits.

 

After going back and forth with HDR and testing, I actually prefer it off most of the time including in some games. For example, Fallout 76 looks better with it off but Starfield looks better with it on. For movies I prefer it on.

 

 

Niccceee!! I'm sitting here with both the LG 32" 4K 240Hz WOLED and the MSI MPG 321URX 4K 240hz QD OLED. 

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Niccceee!! I'm sitting here with both the LG 32" 4K 240Hz WOLED and the MSI MPG 321URX 4K 240hz QD OLED. 

 

Oh, so you know how it is then! I think they all use basically the same panel. 🙂

 

After sitting up playing Fallout 76 last night, the difference is pretty amazing. The color reproduction and brightness (especially explosions) is just sick. Plenty of times I just sat back going, "whoa...whoa..."

 

This is the first display to finally check ALL my boxes for a gaming display:

 

32"

4k

10-bit color accurate

144hz+

True HDR

Excellent response time

OLED level per pixel dimming

 

I had quickly adapted to the 43" Samsung, but it was mLED and 8-bit which coming off my BenQ 10-bit was a let down. BenQ was IPS with no local dimming.

 

I'm loving this setup with the AW and Razer Nommo Pro V2 speakers very much!

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

Now we just need a display that can redact/filter out all of the morally and politically incorrect propaganda from Fallout 76 (and other Bethesda titles). 🤣

[Papusan]

5 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I'm loving this setup with the AW and Razer Nommo Pro V2 speakers very much!

Hmmm. Now you'll will need an Alienware pc, Alienware laptop and Alienware KB. Maybe get an Razor mouse to match the Razer Nommo Pro V2 speakers so you can get the feel of Razer's well known quality. Or just buy an AW mouse and muse pad. 

 

Me... Whatever what AW and Razer offer (top notch or trash)...No thanks. I don't support those brands with money. But that's me🙂

 

 

 

More ssd's to avoid. Hmmm. Do people check if the model is reased before they jump on the buy button?

 

Fake Samsung 1080 Pro 4TB SSD promises unbelievable 15.8 GB/s speeds

With advertised speeds up to 15.8 GB/s, the 1080 Pro would outperform the majority of the best SSDs on the market. Unfortunately, this is all false advertising, and Quasarzone has found that the 1080 Pro sometimes performs worse than a USB 2.0 pendrive.

 

EK have been the main tech topic. Here's from der8auer. Why I canceled the coperation with EK waterblocks. The direct die fiasco is finally a topic. The failure-rate is close to 12% but I expect it's much higher if everyone that bought it could understand how this block should have worked.