jaybee83 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 1 hour ago, electrosoft said: Oh, so you know how it is then! I think they all use basically the same panel. 🙂 After sitting up playing Fallout 76 last night, the difference is pretty amazing. The color reproduction and brightness (especially explosions) is just sick. Plenty of times I just sat back going, "whoa...whoa..." This is the first display to finally check ALL my boxes for a gaming display: 32" 4k 10-bit color accurate 144hz+ True HDR Excellent response time OLED level per pixel dimming I had quickly adapted to the 43" Samsung, but it was mLED and 8-bit which coming off my BenQ 10-bit was a let down. BenQ was IPS with no local dimming. I'm loving this setup with the AW and Razer Nommo Pro V2 speakers very much! i just cant get comfy with using an OLED display for main D2D usage. From my perspective, it's basically buying hardware with an inbuilt failure switch a.k.a. burn in. especially in my case usage where i need a display for both gaming / media, as well as work, OLED is just not an option = running static elements for 8+ hours per work day. so at least for now: Mini LED with max. number of FALD zones FTW! 🙂 2 1 Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-24) AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (TG High Perf. IHS) / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme / MSI Geforce RTX 4090 Suprim X / Teamgroup T-Force Delta RGB DDR5-8200 2x24 GB / Seagate Firecuda 530 4 TB / 5x Samsung 860 Evo 4 TB / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 intake) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 TG (3x Arctic P12 A-RGB intake / 4x Arctic P14 A-RGB exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 A-RGB RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB / PDP Afterglow Wave Black / Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro X Limited Edition My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-24) Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 1 hour ago, Papusan said: Hmmm. Now you'll will need an Alienware pc, Alienware laptop and Alienware KB. Maybe get an Razor mouse to match the Razer Nommo Pro V2 speakers so you can get the feel of Razer's well known quality. Or just buy an AW mouse and muse pad. Me... Whatever what AW and Razer offer (top notch or trash)...No thanks. I don't support those brands with money. But that's me🙂 I do actually use a Razer Deathadder V3 wired...... 🤣 I will never by an Alienware PC or KB. The Alienware M18 isn't all too bad if I went a modern large body laptop and accepted true DTRs are most likely never coming back. 😞 55 minutes ago, jaybee83 said: i just cant get comfy with using an OLED display for main D2D usage. From my perspective, it's basically buying hardware with an inbuilt failure switch a.k.a. burn in. especially in my case usage where i need a display for both gaming / media, as well as work, OLED is just not an option = running static elements for 8+ hours per work day. so at least for now: Mini LED with max. number of FALD zones FTW! 🙂 I completely understand. For my real work I still rely on my BenQ on my other desk that doubles as my diagnostic/workstation display. I just roll my chair over there and use a Cherry MX keyboard and actually an EVGA Mouse for real work. Even with all the modern "anti-burn" technology, I still switched my taskbar to disappear and set the screen saver to pop on after 60 seconds of non use to be safe. 🙂 1 2 Electrosoft Prime: SP109 14900KS | Asrock Z790i Lightning | MSI Suprim X Liquid 4090 | AC LF II 420 | TG 2x16GB 8200 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Heath: i9-12900k | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | WD Black SN850 512GB | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" My for sale items on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee83 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 9 minutes ago, electrosoft said: Even with all the modern "anti-burn" technology, I still switched my taskbar to disappear and set the screen saver to pop on after 60 seconds of non use to be safe. 🙂 absolutely, dont take any chances with such an expensive monitor 😄 2 Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-24) AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (TG High Perf. IHS) / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme / MSI Geforce RTX 4090 Suprim X / Teamgroup T-Force Delta RGB DDR5-8200 2x24 GB / Seagate Firecuda 530 4 TB / 5x Samsung 860 Evo 4 TB / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 intake) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 TG (3x Arctic P12 A-RGB intake / 4x Arctic P14 A-RGB exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 A-RGB RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB / PDP Afterglow Wave Black / Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro X Limited Edition My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-24) Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted April 22 Author Share Posted April 22 1 hour ago, jaybee83 said: i just cant get comfy with using an OLED display for main D2D usage. From my perspective, it's basically buying hardware with an inbuilt failure switch a.k.a. burn in. especially in my case usage where i need a display for both gaming / media, as well as work, OLED is just not an option = running static elements for 8+ hours per work day. so at least for now: Mini LED with max. number of FALD zones FTW! 🙂 I will probably never consider owning OLED display because (a) they are too expensive, and (b) having to do things special to avoid burn-in (such as auto-hiding the task bar) simply cramp my style too much to be worth it to me. Those are my personal quirks, which may not be representative of those that personally find the cost and inconvenience trade-offs to be worth it for the beauty or quality of the screen output. 2 hours ago, Papusan said: Hmmm. Now you'll will need an Alienware pc, Alienware laptop and Alienware KB. 1 2 1 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 5 hours ago, jaybee83 said: i just cant get comfy with using an OLED display for main D2D usage. From my perspective, it's basically buying hardware with an inbuilt failure switch a.k.a. burn in. especially in my case usage where i need a display for both gaming / media, as well as work, OLED is just not an option = running static elements for 8+ hours per work day. so at least for now: Mini LED with max. number of FALD zones FTW! So I have a Mini LED IPS LG 27" 4K 160Hz with 1560 dimming zones that I purchased before deciding I would give OLED a go with the new 4K 240hz panels. There is no disputing it, MiniLED still looks incredible and the brightness cannot be understated IMO. The LG MiniLED is NanoIPS/Quantom Dot so the colors are incredible, they also used an ATW (advanced true wide) Polarizer so it's the best IPS panel I have ever laid my eyes on. The ATW Polarizer means no IPS glow, near perfect panel uniformity, and it doesn't have that Mini LED off axis hazing. Easily the best IPS panel I've ever used. Unfortunately with all the OLED hype and early firmware issues, this panel never got the attention it deserves IMO. I'm not keeping both of the OLEDs, I got lucky with a Microcenter pick early one morning, and I had already ordered the LG WOLED. Just as I went to cancel the LG, it had already shipped earlier than projected by LG. After a couple weeks with the MSI and about a week with the LG WOLED, I decided to keep the LG as it just fits me better. I prefer the inky blacks in all lighting, the whites aren't as warm/red, and I need speakers. The 1080p 480Hz mode is just icing on the cake for me. It feels like CRT gaming when playing esport titles at 480fps, incredible clarity and mouse connectedness. I'll give up a bit of color saturation to have all of that. I also prefer the closer to normal sub pixel arrangement for text clarity, because for it's easier on the eyes. A lot of that is subjective, and the MSI QD OLED is also phenomenal and I would be happy with it. Like I said, I tried to cancel the LG order once I had the MSI and made sure I was pleased with it. In fact for most the MSI $949 price tag makes it the one to get. But OLED comes with some babysitting that annoys a bit. I have to remember to shut off my screen when I'll be gone for extended periods, or I just shut down the PC now. I change the background regularly, I hide the taskbar with auto hide, and I try to watch things in full screen and avoid constant windows or content. So why do this? The gaming is phenomenal. The motion clarity and responsiveness is worth it if you enjoy FPS gaming. I'm never going to go pro, but I would be lying if I said I don't feel as though I now have a leg up that I didn't have before. HDR is a wash or even a downgrade compared to the MiniLED due to brightness. It's good, but the MiniLED was eye searing great. Sorry kinda ranty. 3 1 1 1 Spoiler The Beast Asus Z790 APEX | Intel i9 13900K | ASUS RTX 4090 Strix OC | 64gb DDR5 7466 CL34 Dual Rank A-Dies | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | Innocn 4K 160Hz Mini LED HDR1000 | LG 27GN950-B 4K 160Hz | Corsair 170i Elite LCD 420mm AIO | Corsair 7000D | EVGA 1600w T2 Little Beast EVGA Z690 DARK | Intel i9 13900K | Nvidia RTX 4090 FE | 32gb DDR5 SK Hynix DDR5 8000 CL36 A-Dies | Samsung 980 Pro 2TB | LG OLED C1 4K 120Hz G-Sync/FreeSync | Alienware AW2721D 1440p 240Hz G-Sync Ultimate | Corsair 115i Elite 280mm AIO | Lian Li 011 Dynamic | EVGA 1000w P6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiderman Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 33 minutes ago, Talon said: So I have a Mini LED IPS LG 27" 4K 160Hz with 1560 dimming zones that I purchased before deciding I would give OLED a go with the new 4K 240hz panels. There is no disputing it, MiniLED still looks incredible and the brightness cannot be understated IMO. The LG MiniLED is NanoIPS/Quantom Dot so the colors are incredible, they also used an ATW (advanced true wide) Polarizer so it's the best IPS panel I have ever laid my eyes on. The ATW Polarizer means no IPS glow, near perfect panel uniformity, and it doesn't have that Mini LED off axis hazing. Easily the best IPS panel I've ever used. Unfortunately with all the OLED hype and early firmware issues, this panel never got the attention it deserves IMO. I'm not keeping both of the OLEDs, I got lucky with a Microcenter pick early one morning, and I had already ordered the LG WOLED. Just as I went to cancel the LG, it had already shipped earlier than projected by LG. After a couple weeks with the MSI and about a week with the LG WOLED, I decided to keep the LG as it just fits me better. I prefer the inky blacks in all lighting, the whites aren't as warm/red, and I need speakers. The 1080p 480Hz mode is just icing on the cake for me. It feels like CRT gaming when playing esport titles at 480fps, incredible clarity and mouse connectedness. I'll give up a bit of color saturation to have all of that. I also prefer the closer to normal sub pixel arrangement for text clarity, because for it's easier on the eyes. A lot of that is subjective, and the MSI QD OLED is also phenomenal and I would be happy with it. Like I said, I tried to cancel the LG order once I had the MSI and made sure I was pleased with it. In fact for most the MSI $949 price tag makes it the one to get. But OLED comes with some babysitting that annoys a bit. I have to remember to shut off my screen when I'll be gone for extended periods, or I just shut down the PC now. I change the background regularly, I hide the taskbar with auto hide, and I try to watch things in full screen and avoid constant windows or content. So why do this? The gaming is phenomenal. The motion clarity and responsiveness is worth it if you enjoy FPS gaming. I'm never going to go pro, but I would be lying if I said I don't feel as though I now have a leg up that I didn't have before. HDR is a wash or even a downgrade compared to the MiniLED due to brightness. It's good, but the MiniLED was eye searing great. Sorry kinda ranty. Spoken like a true monitor nerd 🤣🤙 1 5 Lian Li Lancool III | Ryzen 9 9950X | 48gb G-skill Trident Z5 DDR5 8000mhz | MSI Mpg X670E Carbon | AsRock Taichi Radeon 7900xtx Bykski Block |Raijintek Scylla Pro 360 custom loop| Crucial T700 1tb WD Black's SN770 500gb/1tb NVME | Toshiba 8Tb 7200rpm Data | EVGA 1000w SuperNova |32" Agon 1440p 165hz Curved Screen | Windows 10 LoT 21h2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, Talon said: So I have a Mini LED IPS LG 27" 4K 160Hz with 1560 dimming zones that I purchased before deciding I would give OLED a go with the new 4K 240hz panels. There is no disputing it, MiniLED still looks incredible and the brightness cannot be understated IMO. The LG MiniLED is NanoIPS/Quantom Dot so the colors are incredible, they also used an ATW (advanced true wide) Polarizer so it's the best IPS panel I have ever laid my eyes on. The ATW Polarizer means no IPS glow, near perfect panel uniformity, and it doesn't have that Mini LED off axis hazing. Easily the best IPS panel I've ever used. Unfortunately with all the OLED hype and early firmware issues, this panel never got the attention it deserves IMO. I'm not keeping both of the OLEDs, I got lucky with a Microcenter pick early one morning, and I had already ordered the LG WOLED. Just as I went to cancel the LG, it had already shipped earlier than projected by LG. After a couple weeks with the MSI and about a week with the LG WOLED, I decided to keep the LG as it just fits me better. I prefer the inky blacks in all lighting, the whites aren't as warm/red, and I need speakers. The 1080p 480Hz mode is just icing on the cake for me. It feels like CRT gaming when playing esport titles at 480fps, incredible clarity and mouse connectedness. I'll give up a bit of color saturation to have all of that. I also prefer the closer to normal sub pixel arrangement for text clarity, because for it's easier on the eyes. A lot of that is subjective, and the MSI QD OLED is also phenomenal and I would be happy with it. Like I said, I tried to cancel the LG order once I had the MSI and made sure I was pleased with it. In fact for most the MSI $949 price tag makes it the one to get. But OLED comes with some babysitting that annoys a bit. I have to remember to shut off my screen when I'll be gone for extended periods, or I just shut down the PC now. I change the background regularly, I hide the taskbar with auto hide, and I try to watch things in full screen and avoid constant windows or content. So why do this? The gaming is phenomenal. The motion clarity and responsiveness is worth it if you enjoy FPS gaming. I'm never going to go pro, but I would be lying if I said I don't feel as though I now have a leg up that I didn't have before. HDR is a wash or even a downgrade compared to the MiniLED due to brightness. It's good, but the MiniLED was eye searing great. Sorry kinda ranty. Agreed, mLED is such a step up from normal panels but OLED is just that much next level and the days of "OLED being too dim" are long gone. They are painfully bright even to me. One reason I decided to give it a try is I gave my daughter an OLED Acer laptop last year to finally replace her Clevo P377SM-A she had for years for college (She basically was tethered and weighed down by it no matter what and she needed to go and be flexible) and she uses it every day for hours on end with no screen mitigation in place for over 6 months and when I was improving her cooling the other week I couldn't help but notice she had zero burn in even on the task bar. She uses it easily 2-3hrs daily and on some days 5-10hrs and there was no burn in anywhere. I'm sure burn in is still an issue with OLED (even the newest stuff), but I don't know what magic is being worked on newer panels but she had none. I also have an Asus Vivobook 15.6" 1080p OLED laptop I'm using now with a basic 1080p screen so we'll see how that one fairs down the road. It has an Ultra 7 155h in it and it has become my new field/projects/raspberry/bookstore/Starbucks laptop. The Samsung Odyssey G7 43" will replace our bedroom 15yr old 32" LED display. It's so old it doesn't even support HDCP properly so many Firestick offerings wouldn't run. I'm still going to be pro-active for some very basic measures to thwart screen burn in just in case. Many games have static elements for HUDs and such and I am sure gamers play for many hours so we will see. I remember @tps3443 saying he spent plenty of hours gaming on his OLED and has had zero burn in. 1 3 Electrosoft Prime: SP109 14900KS | Asrock Z790i Lightning | MSI Suprim X Liquid 4090 | AC LF II 420 | TG 2x16GB 8200 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Heath: i9-12900k | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | WD Black SN850 512GB | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" My for sale items on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted April 23 Author Share Posted April 23 I still haven't forgiven myself for spending over $500 on my 1440p 165Hz IPS monitor like 6 years ago and still feel like I got screwed real bad on the price, LoL. 🤣 😝🤑 5 1 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cylix Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Well well Asus style. "Let's get quick something out , well worry later about it" Some Intel CPUs lost 9% of their performance almost overnight https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-baseline-profile-tested/ 1 5 7950X3D| Zotac 4090 AMP Extreme Airo| MSI MPG B650 Edge Wifi| Lian Li Galahad 360 V2| 48GB GSkillTrident Z RGB 7600|Kingston KC3000 2TB| Fury Renegade 2TB| Lian Li O11 Dynamic Evo| Corsair HX1500i| Samsung Odyssey G9 Neo Asus Zephyrus G15 (Ryzen 9 6900HS + RTX3080) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 I have a X85J 55in LED tv and an old 3d lg 1080p tv and along with my omen 16 all my displays except my s21 ultra was non oled. I wasn't too motivated to switch to oled but saw a deal at london drugs on a vivobook 15x oled laptop for 650 and thought about it for a while, bought the laptop and was so impressed my next two purchases were a 55 lg b2 oled tv and a zenbook, I wanted to return the zenbook as batterylife on the vivobook was better and that was the whole point for me. now im torn, its nice just turning on my x85j and not worrying about burn in but I have tortured my B2 and have 0 issues with burn in thus far, in the end though oled is impressive enough for me and many others that once you go oled you will never want anything else even after you get used to using it and the wow factor fades. I don't really think its worth the switch if your not watching movies or gaming, but if you are its a pretty big jump, as for miniled thats another story 3 2 ZEUS-COMING SOON Omen 16 2021 Zenbook 14 oled Vivobook 15x oled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiderman Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: I still haven't forgiven myself for spending over $500 on my 1440p 165Hz IPS monitor like 6 years ago and still feel like I got screwed real bad on the price, LoL. 🤣 😝🤑 You did 🤣 4 Lian Li Lancool III | Ryzen 9 9950X | 48gb G-skill Trident Z5 DDR5 8000mhz | MSI Mpg X670E Carbon | AsRock Taichi Radeon 7900xtx Bykski Block |Raijintek Scylla Pro 360 custom loop| Crucial T700 1tb WD Black's SN770 500gb/1tb NVME | Toshiba 8Tb 7200rpm Data | EVGA 1000w SuperNova |32" Agon 1440p 165hz Curved Screen | Windows 10 LoT 21h2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meaker Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 My 3080 is now at the local depot so should be getting to me soon 🙂 Got some fresh coolant, tubing and paste (for the GPU) and will refresh the LM on the CPU. 4 1 Louqe Ghost S1 case (Top hat and bottom extension) Nvidia RTX 4070 MSI twin fan 32" MSI 4k 160HZ IPS display AMD Ryzen 7 7700 cooled via Thermalright 240mm AIO 48GB (2x24) DDR5 6000 CL36 Asus B650E-I motherboard 2TB T500 nvme SSD + 2TB SN770 nvme 500W Silverstone SFX-L PSU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 The reason we get trash binned KS chips for this generation. Intel don't have enough chips for binning 14th gen KS chips. They don't even have enough i9 chips that should be labeled K/KF. The 14th gen KS (Special edition) should never ever have been released. All this is on Intel. Their main focus have been on next gen chips/architecture. Hence they ported over some of next gen arch over on 12th, 13th and 14th gen chips. No wonder we have many weird problems and overheating disaster. Same was it for 11th gen chips as well (Rocket Lake). Intel need to go back to Tick Tock. Not this new way to maximize profits with an old node and arch several gen forwards. 2 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted April 23 Author Share Posted April 23 2 hours ago, Meaker said: My 3080 is now at the local depot so should be getting to me soon 🙂 Got some fresh coolant, tubing and paste (for the GPU) and will refresh the LM on the CPU. Exciting stuff. The anticipation of a new part being shipped slowly is always hard for me. A few days feel like a week and a couple of weeks feels like a month. 3 hours ago, Raiderman said: You did 🤣 I think $500 for any monitor is getting screwed, LOL. Stupid price for something that represents a massive profit margin for the manufacturer. But, I got it for less than what others that bought it got screwed for. (That doesn't make it right, only means I didn't get screwed as badly as others.) 2 1 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee83 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 14 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: I still haven't forgiven myself for spending over $500 on my 1440p 165Hz IPS monitor like 6 years ago and still feel like I got screwed real bad on the price, LoL. 🤣 😝🤑 3 hours ago, Raiderman said: You did 🤣 lol 500 bucks 6 years ago really aint that much for a nice monitor....i mean, uve been using it for 6 years now, so it was worth it right? what should i say, having paid almost 1100 bucks on my monitor about 1.5 years ago 😄 still love it though! 1 hour ago, Papusan said: The reason we get trash binned KS chips for this generation. Intel don't have enough chips for binning 14th gen KS chips. They don't even have enough i9 chips that should be labeled K/KF. The 14th gen KS (Special edition) should never ever have been released. All this is on Intel. Their main focus have been on next gen chips/architecture. Hence they ported over some of next gen arch over on 12th, 13th and 14th gen chips. No wonder we have many weird problems and overheating disaster. Same was it for 11th gen chips as well (Rocket Lake). Intel need to go back to Tick Tock. Not this new way to maximize profits with an old node and arch several gen forwards. damn, this is reaaaally unusual and basically unheard of for Intel. theyve always been a beacon of quality and reliability when it comes to CPUs... 4 Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-24) AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (TG High Perf. IHS) / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme / MSI Geforce RTX 4090 Suprim X / Teamgroup T-Force Delta RGB DDR5-8200 2x24 GB / Seagate Firecuda 530 4 TB / 5x Samsung 860 Evo 4 TB / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 intake) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 TG (3x Arctic P12 A-RGB intake / 4x Arctic P14 A-RGB exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 A-RGB RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB / PDP Afterglow Wave Black / Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro X Limited Edition My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-24) Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted April 23 Author Share Posted April 23 36 minutes ago, jaybee83 said: lol 500 bucks 6 years ago really aint that much for a nice monitor....i mean, uve been using it for 6 years now, so it was worth it right? what should i say, having paid almost 1100 bucks on my monitor about 1.5 years ago 😄 still love it though! I just don't like spending lots of money on some things, and things like monitors, printers, mice and keyboards are some of those things. They don't make it go faster and I can't visually discern a lot of difference between an expensive and a cheap monitor. Basically anything that doesn't make it run colder and go faster, I don't like spending lots of money on it and I don't find enough value in having it to feel like I am not getting screwed. When it comes to monitors, as long as it has lots of usable screen real estate, the refresh rate is 120Hz or higher and the text isn't blurry I am happy unless the colors are just absolutely horrid. 36 minutes ago, jaybee83 said: damn, this is reaaaally unusual and basically unheard of for Intel. theyve always been a beacon of quality and reliability when it comes to CPUs... They generally are, I agree. But, all of them have their ups and downs. Intel, NVIDIA, AMD and all of the vendors that use portions of their technology have their hiccups. I think when any of them do have a misstep of some sort it gets blown way out of proportion by the media for the sake of clicks and controversy. They always need a crisis of some sort. And, in some cases end-user ignorance and lack of knowledge comes into play. Idiot-proof products are seldom enthusiast-grade products. I don't need to "fix" anything or dumb-down my power limits and clock speeds. I like how my CPUs work, but I didn't like the crappy silicon samples I returned for a refund. I don't care what Intel defaults are. I bought what I bought to overclock it, not so I could run it stock. Speaking of hiccups and missteps... hopefully they will get it sorted and back on track soon. There are not many good alternatives and some of their products are unique and have no competing alternative solutions. 1 3 1 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: They generally are, I agree. But, all of them have their ups and downs. Intel, NVIDIA, AMD and all of the vendors that use portions of their technology have their hiccups. I think when any of them do have a misstep of some sort it gets blown way out of proportion by the media for the sake of clicks and controversy. They always need a crisis of some sort. If Intel had done their job properly, they should refused to launch 14900KS. Also the 14900K/KF is very questionable. If they have problem with the bin quality/yields..... And gamer kids get trash binned chips, their i9 processors will run hotter than normal/expected. In short if we OC our own chips we can easly make them unstable even with the best cooling if we push them too hard. Aka the oc'd cpu's will function/behave equally bad as a stock running i9 with unlocked MB settings in the hands of gamers with not the best cooling setup/not the best tech skills. A cpu should never crash... It should throttle down speed and voltage. This if the Cpu run stock clocks regardless of power settings. Every single core i9 crashing at stock clock speed are defective. I mean over half of the shipped 14th gen KS chips should have been binned as ordinary K chips. And 25-50% of all 14900K should have been downgraded to i9-14850K. The bin statistic we have seen for mentioned chips speaks for itself. 6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said: Speaking of hiccups and missteps... hopefully they will get it sorted and back on track soon. There are not many good alternatives and some of their products are unique and have no competing alternative solutions. EKWB issues public apology regarding delayed payments Also this a huge misssteps. It seems AMD refuse to compete. Or maybe the choice of vram is a cost cutting to the bone? Pick what poison you want. Leaker says AMD will use 'slow' 18Gbps GDDR6 in RDNA 4 GPUs It will be interesting to see what AMD does. AMD's decision to opt for GDDR6 will depend on how much memory bandwidth it needs, and how much money it can save on PCB designs by using the existing memory standard. The beefier a GPU's memory sub-system is, the more complex the PCB design needs to be. 2 2 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meaker Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/47560084/spy/24164806# Really quick and dirty first run. https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/110725043 Run 2 without any monitoring running but still not tweaked. Run 3 timespy https://www.3dmark.com/spy/47561055 Timespy extreme https://www.3dmark.com/spy/47561193 2 5 1 Louqe Ghost S1 case (Top hat and bottom extension) Nvidia RTX 4070 MSI twin fan 32" MSI 4k 160HZ IPS display AMD Ryzen 7 7700 cooled via Thermalright 240mm AIO 48GB (2x24) DDR5 6000 CL36 Asus B650E-I motherboard 2TB T500 nvme SSD + 2TB SN770 nvme 500W Silverstone SFX-L PSU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 16 hours ago, Papusan said: EKWB issues public apology regarding delayed payments EKWB issues public apology regarding delayed payments The snowball roll faster and faster... It will be tough to turn this around to what it was. Now it's up to the buyers trusting EK forwards. Former EKWB Employees say company has racist, hostile work environment, withholds overtime pay The scandal surrounding EKWB, the embattled cooling and custom PC building company, keeps growing as multiple former employees have now accused the company of creating a hostile work environment filled with racist jokes and abusive rhetoric in its Texas-based U.S. offices. Just as bad, the employees also say that the firm failed to pay them for required overtime hours and that it damaged relationships with suppliers by repeatedly withholding payments. 2 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electrosoft Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 6 hours ago, Meaker said: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/47560084/spy/24164806# Really quick and dirty first run. https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/110725043 Run 2 without any monitoring running but still not tweaked. Run 3 timespy https://www.3dmark.com/spy/47561055 Timespy extreme https://www.3dmark.com/spy/47561193 Nice little boost there Meaker and still showing the reason fully upgrade enabled laptops have meaning and purpose. 2 4 Electrosoft Prime: SP109 14900KS | Asrock Z790i Lightning | MSI Suprim X Liquid 4090 | AC LF II 420 | TG 2x16GB 8200 | Samsung 990 Pro 2TB | EVGA 1600w P2 | Phanteks Ethroo Pro | Alienware AW3225QF 32" OLED Heath: i9-12900k | EVGA CLC 280 | Asus Strix Z690 D4 | Asus Strix 3080 | 32GB DDR4 2x16GB B-Die 4000 | WD Black SN850 512GB | EVGA DG-77 | Samsung G7 32" 144hz 32" My for sale items on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fox Posted April 24 Author Share Posted April 24 4 hours ago, Papusan said: The snowball roll faster and faster... It will be tough to turn this around to what it was. Now it's up to the buyers trusting EK forwards. Former EKWB Employees say company has racist, hostile work environment, withholds overtime pay The scandal surrounding EKWB, the embattled cooling and custom PC building company, keeps growing as multiple former employees have now accused the company of creating a hostile work environment filled with racist jokes and abusive rhetoric in its Texas-based U.S. offices. Just as bad, the employees also say that the firm failed to pay them for required overtime hours and that it damaged relationships with suppliers by repeatedly withholding payments. Given the complaints are from US-based employees I am not sure how much merit they have. It might be true, but this is an often-abused accusation that is not based on fact or truth. It's too common for someone that is butt-hurt or legitimately mistreated to pile on with extra nonsense as if to exact some sort of revenge on their abuser. Unless one of them recorded it and has evidence to support their accusations, I don't know that I would put any stock in the accuracy of the information about racist and abusive rhetoric. Embellishing, lying and playing the racist/sexual harassment card has become very common and now it is like the story of the boy that cried wolf. 2 1 Wraith // Z790 Apex | 14900KS | 4090 Suprim X+Byksi Block | 48GB DDR5-8600 | Toughpower GF3 1650W | MO-RA3 360 | Hailea HC-500A || O11D XL EVO Banshee // X870E Carbon | 9950X | 4090 Gaming OC+Alphacool Block | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1200x SHIFT | XT45 1080 Nova || Antec C8 Spectre // Z790i Edge | 13900KS | 3090 Ti FTW3 | 32GB DDR5-8200 | RM1000e | EK Nucleus CR360 Direct Die || Prime A21 Half-Breed // Dell Precision 7720 | BGA CPU Filth+MXM Quadro P5000 | 4K Display | Sub-$500 Grade A Refurb | Nothing to Write Home About Mr. Fox YouTube Channel | Mr. Fox @ HWBOT The average response time for a 911 call is 10 minutes. The response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee83 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 11 hours ago, Meaker said: https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/47560084/spy/24164806# Really quick and dirty first run. https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/110725043 Run 2 without any monitoring running but still not tweaked. Run 3 timespy https://www.3dmark.com/spy/47561055 Timespy extreme https://www.3dmark.com/spy/47561193 is this 3080 quick n dirty vs. ur best 3070 result? if so, then thats a very promising lead already at +15-18%! 4 Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-24) AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (TG High Perf. IHS) / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme / MSI Geforce RTX 4090 Suprim X / Teamgroup T-Force Delta RGB DDR5-8200 2x24 GB / Seagate Firecuda 530 4 TB / 5x Samsung 860 Evo 4 TB / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 intake) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 TG (3x Arctic P12 A-RGB intake / 4x Arctic P14 A-RGB exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 A-RGB RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB / PDP Afterglow Wave Black / Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro X Limited Edition My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-24) Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meaker Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 1 hour ago, jaybee83 said: is this 3080 quick n dirty vs. ur best 3070 result? if so, then thats a very promiding lead already at +15-18%! Yes, but I had an idea of what the core would do and I don't need to try and push the CPU so will probably leave it around the score 3 area for now. 1 Louqe Ghost S1 case (Top hat and bottom extension) Nvidia RTX 4070 MSI twin fan 32" MSI 4k 160HZ IPS display AMD Ryzen 7 7700 cooled via Thermalright 240mm AIO 48GB (2x24) DDR5 6000 CL36 Asus B650E-I motherboard 2TB T500 nvme SSD + 2TB SN770 nvme 500W Silverstone SFX-L PSU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 https://hwbot.org/submission/5544212_papusan_gpupi_for_cpu___1b_core_i9_14900ks_(8p)_50sec_346ms GTX1070....... https://hwbot.org/submission/5544273_papusan_3dmark_vantage___performance_geforce_gtx_1070_107206_marks?recalculate=true https://hwbot.org/submission/5544231_papusan_3dmark2001_se_geforce_gtx_1070_211041_marks?recalculate=true https://hwbot.org/submission/5544256_papusan_3dmark11___performance_geforce_gtx_1070_30018_marks?recalculate=true Finally on 1th place Hwbot enthusiasts league 2024🙂 3 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papusan Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 On 4/23/2024 at 9:13 PM, Papusan said: The reason for all problems is because we got trash binned KS chips for this generation. Intel don't have enough chips for binning 14th gen KS chips. They don't even have enough i9 chips that should be labeled K/KF. The 14th gen KS (Special edition) should never ever have been released. All this is on Intel. See bolded text above. Then compare with the bolded text from MSI's Press release notes below.... Then you see the same as me. If there is a minority of i9 processors having all this stability problems... They are RMA candidates. They are defective! In short no need for any workarounds. Just RMA the processors back to the retail shop or Intel. No one should pay for defective Cpu's that don't work as intended/expected. MSI Offers BIOS Guide To Improve Gaming Stability With Intel 14th & 13th Gen CPUs [Press Release]: According to some reports, a minority of Intel Core i9-13900K and Core i9-14900K processors may experience instability while gaming or under heavy workloads. If you're encountering this issue, here are some workarounds recommended by Intel. Source: MSI 2 1 "The Killer" ASUS ROG Z790 Apex Encore | 14900KS | 4090 HOF + 20 other graphics cards | 32GB DDR5 | Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500 Watt | Second PSU - Cooler Master V750 SFX Gold 750W (For total of 2250W Power) | Corsair Obsidian 1000D | Custom Cooling | Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ 27" Monitors | Papusan @ HWBOT | Team PremaMod @ HWBOT | Papusan @ YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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