*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[tps3443]

18 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Provantage has the OCF near MSRP of $499 at $509 at Provantage. Newegg $599 is a scam IMO. 

 

Personally wish I kept the OCF $499 order I had previously. 

 

I am going to be curious how far you can push your 285K (when you eventually buy it lol) on your direct die chilled water setup. 

$499.99 for the OCF is excellent deal. I think they are really good motherboards. I’d give up knowing the SP and save $220 dollars and easily go that route over the Apex Z890. Smart move I think.

 

I’m curious why you haven’t moved to one of these big boy cooling setups. You can setup a test bench or case with some good cooling flowing through it. And make it easy to swap boards and CPU’s. And the great thing is these parts last you years and years, we don’t really need to upgrade them. Titan Rig has the original Mora420’s at blow out pricing with another 20% off discount code. You can get a Mora3 1260 LT for like $208 dollars 😃 The company “Watercool” has revamped their designs, product line, and styling since popularity has grown substantially, this has put the OG Mora3’s on sale.  If you are swapping motherboards and CPU’s annually or

often. Then absolutely great cooling certainly helps and gives the best advantage. It makes all chips good for the most part, besides the memory controller lol.
 

I have a buddy on the internet who’s running the same exact setup as me. Coincidentally this is the same guy I sold my Golden 11900K too couple years ago, he coincidentally also built a 3175X+Dominus extreme the exact same week that I did (Weirdest coincidence) anyways, this guy is running 4.0Ghz@98C with his AIO, while I run 4.7Ghz@70C with the mega cooler 5000 lol. I cannot overclock more merely because my single 1,000 watt PSU is not enough. My PC will reboot. (I have a 4090 and several pumps being powered as well)

@electrosoft You too lol. Anyways, watercooling is another hobby inside the already fun PC hobby. 😃

[Papusan]

22 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Had they released these CPUs in an LGA-1700 form factor I probably would have rolled the dice on the new Core Ultra CPU design just for giggles. Having to buy a new motherboard to be part of their experiment makes it a harder pill to swallow.

 

What you have ended up with is only benching Cinebench and mem tests as Aida64. Not useful for etc 3D benching. Not sure about other 2D benches, but I mean Core Ultra aka Arrow lake also offer low value there as well. But for productivity that's another matter. Or if you want functional NVMe 5 drive without castrating the GPU. For me... Offer Zero value.

[Talon]

29 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

$499.99 for the OCF is excellent deal. I think they are really good motherboards. I’d give up knowing the SP and save $220 dollars and easily go that route over the Apex Z890. Smart move I think.

 

I’m curious why you haven’t moved to one of these big boy cooling setups. You can setup a test bench or case with some good cooling flowing through it. And make it easy to swap boards and CPU’s. And the great thing is these parts last you years and years, we don’t really need to upgrade them. Titan Rig has the original Mora420’s at blow out pricing with another 20% off discount code. You can get a Mora3 1260 LT for like $208 dollars 😃 The company “Watercool” has revamped their designs, product line, and styling since popularity has grown substantially, this has put the OG Mora3’s on sale.  If you are swapping motherboards and CPU’s annually or

often. Then absolutely great cooling certainly helps and gives the best advantage. It makes all chips good for the most part, besides the memory controller lol.
 

I have a buddy on the internet who’s running the same exact setup as me. Coincidentally this is the same guy I sold my Golden 11900K too couple years ago, he coincidentally also built a 3175X+Dominus extreme the exact same week that I did (Weirdest coincidence) anyways, this guy is running 4.0Ghz@98C with his AIO, while I run 4.7Ghz@70C with the mega cooler 5000 lol. I cannot overclock more merely because my single 1,000 watt PSU is not enough. My PC will reboot. (I have a 4090 and several pumps being powered as well)

@electrosoft You too lol. Anyways, watercooling is another hobby inside the already fun PC hobby. 😃

 

Honestly I've debated going full water blocks with bigger rads, etc. But everytime I look into, I just get disinterested in dealing with the headache. I tend to swap parts quite often, and the AIO just makes it so much easier for me to swap parts quickly. Also somewhat space. My office just doesn't support the idea of having a test bench area. Maybe my next house which I'm going to ensure will have a huge and finished basement. It will be my man cave for sure. At that point I'll likely just have a couple rigs all built, with one being a test bench area. 

[electrosoft]

49 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

@electrosoft You too lol. Anyways, watercooling is another hobby inside the already fun PC hobby. 😃

 

17 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Honestly I've debated going full water blocks with bigger rads, etc. But everytime I look into, I just get disinterested in dealing with the headache. I tend to swap parts quite often, and the AIO just makes it so much easier for me to swap parts quickly. Also somewhat space. My office just doesn't support the idea of having a test bench area. Maybe my next house which I'm going to ensure will have a huge and finished basement. It will be my man cave for sure. At that point I'll likely just have a couple rigs all built, with one being a test bench area. 

 

Basically what @Talon said coupled with a CL to me is like an AIO. It just allows me to extend my OC a bit further but I'll still hit a wall. 🙂

 

On a related note, what the hell is wrong with me? Seriously? 🤣

 

[tps3443]

8 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

Basically what @Talon said coupled with a CL to me is like an AIO. It just allows me to extend my OC a bit further but I'll still hit a wall. 🙂

 

On a related note, what the hell is wrong with me? Seriously? 🤣

 

Support the whales foundation. We have another pledge from. @electrosoft

 

Nice! What board you gonna be running?

[Raiderman]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

Basically what @Talon said coupled with a CL to me is like an AIO. It just allows me to extend my OC a bit further but I'll still hit a wall. 🙂

 

On a related note, what the hell is wrong with me? Seriously? 🤣

 

Bro, you are just an addict like the rest of us! When is the shipping ETA?

[electrosoft]

19 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Bro, you are just an addict like the rest of us! When is the shipping ETA?

 

Prolly Monday.

 

I also held onto my other AM5 platform just in case I want to give the 9800X3D a whirl too.... I can swap out the 7600x easy peasy plus it's so purdy I just didn't have the heart to tear it down 🤣

 

I need help. 🙂

 

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Support the whales foundation. We have another pledge from. @electrosoft

 

Nice! What board you gonna be running?

 

Makes me think of my cousin who is a high level casino host. 🤣

 

I have no idea atm. I'm taking my time and going through what's out there, but knowing my track record it is going to be a dirt cheap Z890 MSI board or Asrock. Lowest Asus board that supports SP looks to be the TUF this time around based on their screen shots but I'll double check to be sure. If not, it would be another Strix Z890-A.

 

 

 

[tps3443]

So going in to the LGA3647 platform, and running a Xeon 3175X there’s not a huge amount of information out there since most people weren’t buying these platforms.. But my results are definitely unique. For one, people say it is impossible to run 1T Command rate on the Dominus Extreme, and you need an EVGA SR3 Dark to do this. That makes sense, only I’m running DDR4 3800CL14-14-14-34-360 with a 1T command rate on the Dominus lol, not 96GB but the full 192GB of ram. This performance has pushed bandwidth numbers even higher. 
 

 

[johnksss]

5 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Honestly I've debated going full water blocks with bigger rads, etc. But everytime I look into, I just get disinterested in dealing with the headache. I tend to swap parts quite often, and the AIO just makes it so much easier for me to swap parts quickly. Also somewhat space. My office just doesn't support the idea of having a test bench area. Maybe my next house which I'm going to ensure will have a huge and finished basement. It will be my man cave for sure. At that point I'll likely just have a couple rigs all built, with one being a test bench area. 

Actually, for this, you only need a universal back plate that has the screws through it. Your AIO, Water block, and DDB would only have mounting holes. You would then change on the fly. I used to do this with my water block, LN2, Dry Ice, AIO, and Phase Change unit. The only reason why I do not do it at the moment is because the ekwb does not have pass-through holes.

[Mr. Fox]

On 11/1/2024 at 6:45 PM, Mr. Fox said:

I have one in my cart and a Taichi OCF in my cart at NewEgg. I waited a few minutes and changed my mind and abandoned both carts. I remembered how disappointed and angry I was with the 5950X and Crosshair VIII experience and decided to procrastinate more before dropping $1200 on something I might regret. 

5 hours ago, Raiderman said:

Bro, you are just an addict like the rest of us! When is the shipping ETA?

After being thoroughly disgusted with Core Ultra and disappointed that they even brought it to market, I loaded a 9950X and X870E Taichi into my shopping cart. The grand total is about $200 less than a 285K and Z890 Taichi. That initially piqued my interest.

 

Then I spent a couple of hours on YouTube and OC.net and HWBOT.org seeing if there was any good reason to check out. I decided there wasn't. Nothing new is as good as what I already have that is not new. Either way, Red or Blue, it seems like I would be spending $1,000+ for something not better, which makes no sense. I hate how that feels. I think that is what the future holds in store for all of us regardless of what brand one prefers.

 

What surprised me is how hard it was to find anything good to judge by online. Not many AMD overclockers out there other than a small group benching sub-zero. Most of the handfull that are benching Ryzen are using insanely overpriced ASUS ROG boards and I ain't going down that road, LOL. I was surprised that there are quite a few high end X870E motherboards without one single benchmark submission on HWBOT. And why is it that I can't find any 2-DIMM AM5 motherboards for sale other than lackluster ITX models? I thought the limited selection on the Intel side was bad, and it is bad, but it seems desirable 2-DIMM AM5 boards are essentially non-existent. Why?

 

There are less than 600 benchmark submissions with 9950X and less than 3100 with 7950X. No ASRock submissions on X870 and less than 700 X670. There are like 10K submissions with 14th Gen i9 and like 18K 13th Gen i9 submissions.

 

I don't understand this. With all of the poking around that I did on HWBOT, there was one very cool thing that I did discover though, and that was that you are truly exceptional, brother. Why are there so few Ryzen owners that are interested in overclocking? The oc.net AMD threads are also kind of subdued. I was surprised by this. I was literally about to punch the button to check out and changed my mind just like I did with the 285K and Z890 Taichi. This makes me feel very sad about what the future holds for us all. Things are not looking good overall. 😞

  

6 hours ago, electrosoft said:

On a related note, what the hell is wrong with me? Seriously? 🤣

I think the same thing that is wrong with all of us. We all want to think the best and we are all more optimistic than we probably should be. 

 

[Raiderman]

17 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

After being thoroughly disgusted with Core Ultra and disappointed that they even brought it to market, I loaded a 9950X and X870E Taichi into my shopping cart. The grand total is about $200 less than a 285K and Z890 Taichi. That initially piqued my interest.

 

Then I spent a couple of hours on YouTube and OC.net and HWBOT.org seeing if there was any good reason to check out. I decided there wasn't. Nothing new is as good as what I already have that is not new. Either way, Red or Blue, it seems like I would be spending $1,000+ for something not better, which makes no sense. I hate how that feels. I think that is what the future holds in store for all of us regardless of what brand one prefers.

 

What surprised me is how hard it was to find anything good to judge by online. Not many AMD overclockers out there other than a small group benching sub-zero. Most of the handfull that are benching Ryzen are using insanely overpriced ASUS ROG boards and I ain't going down that road, LOL. I was surprised that there are quite a few high end X870E motherboards without one single benchmark submission on HWBOT. And why is it that I can't find any 2-DIMM AM5 motherboards for sale other than lackluster ITX models. I thought the limited selection on the Intel side was bad, but it seems 2-DIMM AM5 boards are essentially non-existent. Why?

 

There are less than 600 benchmark submissions with 9950X and less than 3100 with 7950X. No ASRock submissions on X870 and less than 700 X670. There are like 10K submissions with 14th Gen i9 and like 18K 13th Gen i9 submissions.

 

I don't understand this. With all of the poking around that I did on HWBOT, there was one very cool thing that I did discover though, and that was that you are truly exceptional, brother. Why are there so few Ryzen owners that are interested in overclocking? The oc.net threads are also kind of subdued. I was surprised by this. I was literally about to punch the button to check out and changed my mind just like I did with the 285K and Z890 Taichi. This makes me feel very sad about what the future holds for us all. Things are not looking good overall. 😞

  

I think the same thing that is wrong with all of us. We all want to think the best and we are all more optimistic than we probably should be. 

 

One of the main reasons that there are no AMD overclockers, is because you dont overclock anymore. You undervolt, and change voltage curves so the chip will boost higher at certain points. Its not a lot of fun, hence my lackluster enthusiasm as of late. Unless you are running some LN2, there is no point in changing multipliers, and increasing voltages, as it becomes very unstable.

[Mr. Fox]

10 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

One of the main reasons that there are no AMD overclockers, is because you dont overclock anymore. You undervolt, and change voltage curves so the chip will boost higher at certain points. Its not a lot of fun, hence my lackluster enthusiasm as of late. Unless you are running some LN2, there is no point in changing multipliers, and increasing voltages, as it becomes very unstable.

That is really tragic, and it looks like Intel is headed down that same path now. Sad days for sure. The lowest common denominators ruin everything they touch. I guess it wasn't enough for the losers of the world to turn everything in the laptop world to dung.

 

I guess it might turn out to be a good thing that I loaded up on extra LGA-1700 motherboards and CPUs. They may end up being worth more than I paid for them, LOL. In a very unsettling way it feels like it did with people holding onto obsolete Alienware and Clevo laptops because everything new was anemic, pathetic, unacceptable trash.

[electrosoft]

21 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

One of the main reasons that there are no AMD overclockers, is because you dont overclock anymore. You undervolt, and change voltage curves so the chip will boost higher at certain points. Its not a lot of fun, hence my lackluster enthusiasm as of late. Unless you are running some LN2, there is no point in changing multipliers, and increasing voltages, as it becomes very unstable.

 

Literally the epitome of, "Less is more" in extracting more performance.

 

I remember with my 5800x I compared my CO/Boost optimizations vs a normal static OC and they basically met at the same point multi but static/fixed OC I sacrificed the boosting so it made sense to just stick with CO/Boost tuning to get the best of both worlds. With my 7950X3D, I didn't even bother with a static vcore approach and just tuned the co/pbo.

 

Ironically, I ended up adopting that for 13th and 14th gen for my UV/LLC optimized 5.9/6.0 dynamic tuning and counter that against tuned fixed voltage and clocks at 5.6/5.7 all core that are more robust for heavier benching.

 

All roads lead to the same end point it seems now.....

 

20 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

That is really tragic, and it looks like Intel is headed down that same path now. Sad days for sure. The lowest common denominators ruin everything they touch. I guess it wasn't enough for the losers of the world to turn everything in the laptop world to dung.

 

I guess it might turn out to be a good thing that I loaded up on extra LGA-1700 motherboards and CPUs. They may end up being worth more than I paid for them, LOL. In a very unsettling way it feels like it did with people holding onto obsolete Alienware and Clevo laptops because everything new was anemic, pathetic, unacceptable trash.

 

I'm already mulling over cancelling the 285k....lol. Still pouring over boards though atm.

 

 

[johnksss]

29 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

That is really tragic, and it looks like Intel is headed down that same path now. Sad days for sure. The lowest common denominators ruin everything they touch. I guess it wasn't enough for the losers of the world to turn everything in the laptop world to dung.

 

I guess it might turn out to be a good thing that I loaded up on extra LGA-1700 motherboards and CPUs. They may end up being worth more than I paid for them, LOL. In a very unsettling way it feels like it did with people holding onto obsolete Alienware and Clevo laptops because everything new was anemic, pathetic, unacceptable trash.

I think I'm going to stick with my 14900KS. As much as I like the new features (As in motherboard features) they have, I can wait for it to come with a better CPU that is about 90% better than the 14900K/KS/KF in all-around performance. Just hoping the 5090s won't be in the same dismal sphere as the Ultra Series CPUs.

[Mr. Fox]

8 minutes ago, johnksss said:

I think I'm going to stick with my 14900KS. As much as I like the new features (As in motherboard features) they have, I can wait for it to come with a better CPU that is about 90% better than the 14900K/KS/KF in all-around performance. Just hoping the 5090s won't be in the same dismal sphere as the Ultra Series CPUs.

I fear they (manufacturers) have figured out that the gamerboys of the world are generally about as smart as a box of rocks and all they need to do is offer something shiny and new and they'll jump on it as long as it has rainbow puke. Newer is always better newer.

[johnksss]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I fear they (manufacturers) have figured out that the gamerboys of the world are about as smart as a box of rocks and all they need to do is offer something shiney and new and they'll jump on it as long as it has rainbow puke.

Not really sure that is the full case as if you look around, there are starting to be more and more gamers complaining like the rest of us....

[electrosoft]

19 minutes ago, johnksss said:

I think I'm going to stick with my 14900KS. As much as I like the new features (As in motherboard features) they have, I can wait for it to come with a better CPU that is about 90% better than the 14900K/KS/KF in all-around performance. Just hoping the 5090s won't be in the same dismal sphere as the Ultra Series CPUs.

 

** Finger hovers over cancel button **

 

Thanks for the insight @johnksss. If you're going back to 14900KS that speaks volumes.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

9 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

** Finger hovers over cancel button **

 

Thanks for the insight @johnksss. If you're going back to 14900KS that speaks volumes.

Indeed. I'm going to be less tempted now as well. 

14 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Not really sure that is the full case as if you look around, there are starting to be more and more gamers complaining like the rest of us....

True. First it was the newest Ryzen not performing better in games than last gen, but being special because it used less power. The dust on that drama hadn't even settled before Intel showed up with their new dud CPUs. Now kind of the same issue (maybe a little bit worse) with Intel bringing less performance but using less power. But, that's good. Maybe the AMD, Intel and motherboard manufacturers will lose enough money that they pull their heads out and start paying closer attention. Using less power isn't a win. It could potentially be a side benefit, but it's not important in the grand scheme of things if the performance is not a jump in the right direction.

 

Ironically, both Zen 5 and Core Ultra beat their last generation counterparts in Cinebench, but not much else.

[johnksss]

1 minute ago, electrosoft said:

 

** Finger hovers over cancel button **

 

Thanks for the insight @johnksss. If you're going back to 14900KS that speaks volumes.

 

 

Not a problem.

I'm in the lucky class where I can "safely" try before I'm locked into keeping it. Just another reason to love my Microcenter!

And a warranty (Our Microcenter, I can't speak for the other 27 or so out there) like no other on the planet right now.

[johnksss]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Indeed. I'm going to be less tempted now as well. 

True. First is was the newest Ryzen not performing better in games than last gen, but being special because it used less power. The dust on that drama hadn't even settled before Intel showed up with their new dud CPUs. Now kind of the same issue (maybe a little bit worse) with Intel. But, that's good. Maybe the AMD, Intel and motherboard manufacturers will lose enough money that they pull their heads out and start paying closer attention.

 

Ironically, both Zen 5 and Core Ultra beat their last generation counterparts in Cinebench, but not much else.

True. Also, the memory took a jump in the higher MHz range (Intel Platform), but they need to conquer the latency issues. I like the bigger numbers in Cinebench, but for team benching which consists of many benchmark tests to compete and qualify in it's just not worth it. And 3D benching is where it takes its hardest hit. This is where most of our points are at! I would say bench Cinebench and get your scores then give it back to the store. It could take a while for the scores to possibly be beaten. Speculations of course.

[Mr. Fox]

4 minutes ago, johnksss said:

True. Also, the memory took a jump in the higher MHz range (Intel Platform), but they need to conquer the latency issues. I like the bigger numbers in Cinebench, but for team benching which consists of many benchmark tests to compete and qualify in it's just not worth it. And 3D benching is where it takes its hardest hit. This is where most of our points are at! I would say bench Cinebench and get your scores then give it back to the store. It could take a while for the scores to possibly be beaten. Speculations of course.

Big Cinebench numbers was why I jumped on the 5950X bandwagon and that was the only thing I found it was good for. It was worse at everything else, on top of being a buggy mess. It would be good for me to learn from my own mistakes and just do nothing right now. The systems I currently own are the best I have ever had. I need to remind myself of this and not allow passion to cloud good judgment.

[johnksss]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Big Cinebench numbers was why I jumped on the 5950X bandwagon and that was the only thing I found it was good for. It was worse at everything else, on top of being a buggy mess. It would be good for me to learn from my own mistakes and just do nothing right now.

It got me too and now that chip has been running error and problem-free for the last 3 years in my server. The first year it was for benching. 😄

[Mr. Fox]

Early adoption first-world problems galore... this guy is really taking a loss. But, it's still too expensive. He is selling it for what should have been no-discount retail.

 

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29386568/

[Papusan]

9 hours ago, johnksss said:

True. Also, the memory took a jump in the higher MHz range (Intel Platform), but they need to conquer the latency issues. I like the bigger numbers in Cinebench, but for team benching which consists of many benchmark tests to compete and qualify in it's just not worth it. And 3D benching is where it takes its hardest hit. This is where most of our points are at! I would say bench Cinebench and get your scores then give it back to the store. It could take a while for the scores to possibly be beaten. Speculations of course.

 

Exactly the way I saw it from day one. Checked the numbers and reviews the next two days and it looked more and more awful. Lower performance in games vs its predecessor was just the icing on the cake. Not that I play much games but an upgrade should be better than two years old chips it is meant to replace. The chips just doesn't cut it. Worse for +80% of benchmarks that counts.  Oh'well, will see how long it takes before Intel jump out with an (8 core) 3D v-cashe chips for gamers. Or if Intel will put all the eggs into the coming power efficient non K chips over the New year for average pc users/office machines. Because less and less gamers (and performance enthusiast) will go with the unlocked K sku of Core Ultra.

[Meaker]

11 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Indeed. I'm going to be less tempted now as well. 

True. First it was the newest Ryzen not performing better in games than last gen, but being special because it used less power. The dust on that drama hadn't even settled before Intel showed up with their new dud CPUs. Now kind of the same issue (maybe a little bit worse) with Intel bringing less performance but using less power. But, that's good. Maybe the AMD, Intel and motherboard manufacturers will lose enough money that they pull their heads out and start paying closer attention. Using less power isn't a win. It could potentially be a side benefit, but it's not important in the grand scheme of things if the performance is not a jump in the right direction.

 

Ironically, both Zen 5 and Core Ultra beat their last generation counterparts in Cinebench, but not much else.

 

The 9950X3D with the improved cache die layering and 3d vcache on both CCDs could be the most interesting high end enthusiast chip for a while.