*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, Rage Set said:

Does this mean I am on a special team, RGB (AMD, Nvidia and Intel for CPUs/GPUs)? 🤣😂

 

EDIT: With @Mr. Fox and @Talon currently visiting team Red, my question is when will @Papusan take the plunge? 

 

These are some strange times, next thing I know @ryan would be joining the desktop crew as well. 

 

Intel is really in a precarious position right now and once mindshare and perception shifts fully to AMD, they could find themselves no longer the standard bearer for x86. Nevermind ARM gaining market share at an alarming rate and we have Nvidia coming on next with CPUs.....

 

The fact @Mr. Fox and @Talon have finally taken the plunge to run systems in tandem and like what they see so far is very telling in and unto itself.

 

Personally, I love dipping in and out of AMD, Intel and Nvidia hardware since 2005 with X2 and FX from AMD and going back and forth with ATI and Nvidia then AMD and Nvidia.

 

I just love hardware!

 

 

[tps3443]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It's too early to say to what degree I like it. I can say that I don't "hate it" like I did the 5950X. I knew within 48 hours that the X570 Crosshair VIII Hero and 5950X purchase was a terrible choice with severe regrets.

 

It's definitely not bad. Apart from higher Cinebench scores (where it clearly wins) I don't think it is as good overall as my LGA-1700 i9 CPUs are, but it's also not far behind. I can say that I am happier than I expected I would be. So far, so good. This would be the first AMD product that I can honestly say that I am pleased with, and I am very happy to be able to say that. It was very demoralizing to always be disappointed and feel like a sucker in the past. I have always desired for them to be successful and gave them chances to change my mind because it benefits everyone if both red and blue teams can be successful. I think they finally scored a win in my book without needing to be superior to the Apex and 14900KS. Close enough to be compelling for sure.

 

As I grow more acquainted with things I will probably like it more than I do already, and I haven't identified anything terrible. It does have more functional limitations in terms of overclocking than my Intel systems have. I am being cautious about pushing it too far because I have no idea if Ryzen is resilient as Intel CPUs are and I don't want to kill it with my lack of experience with the platform. I suspect Core Ultra has even more functional limitations, so at this point I think it was a better decision than going with Core Ultra, but that could change with the next generation after Intel is done with the guinea pig phase.

 

Am I going to delid it and run bare die? Hell yeah. Absolutely. It's way too hot to leave it how it is. Every bit as hot-running as 13900/14900K/KF/KS, and hotter at lower voltage and less watts. People complaining about overclocked Intel CPUs running hot haven't tried pushing their Ryzen 9 system to the edge yet, LOL. It runs very hot, just like the Intel CPUs do. It does run cooler stock, but that doesn't count because I don't give a rat's butt about that.

 

I will probably order a der8auer Delid Die Mate and AMD Mycro direct die block in December or January, once I am done figuring out how things work. It's very different than what I am used to in terms of overclocking. I am not there yet. Hard to figure things out when there are so few AMD overclockers, and the few that there are don't share much in terms of technical knowledge. So far I haven't found any detailed overclocking tutorials like we are so used to seeing with Intel. Most of the threads with "overclocking" in the title are just people chewing the fat about gamer nonsense and very mediocre on the technical side of things. Everyone seems focused on playing games with very modest overclocking involved.

 

I moved it from the test bench to the case where the Apex Encore was installed and I am preparing the Apex Encore and Velocita for their new owner(s). Someone we all know and love is getting a once in a lifetime sweet deal on some golden silicon. 🙂

 

I really like this Carbon motherboard and especially the new MSI BIOS design. It is very good. Here is a crummy smartphone photo. In spite of the poor image quality, the system looks really good.

 

There are four things MSI could have done better on the mobo. First off, 4-DIMM DDR5 high end motherboards are stupid regardless of what platform or who makes them. So dumb. Second, the 8-pin PCIe auxillary power socket is in an idiotic place. I have a dual NVMe card in the bottom slot and I had to leave the heat sink off the NVMe closest to the motherboard because of interference. Second, the power and reset buttons at the bottom is less desirable than they would be at the top. On an open bench it does not matter. In a case it makes no sense having them there. The last thing was having two Gen5 M.2 slots. That was stupid. I have one Gen5 slot I can't use because I am not willing to cut the GPU down to x8 for the sake of having the slot filled. I still think it is a great motherboard and a good choice considering most of the alternatives are inferior or grossly overpriced (A$u$ pricing is as ludicrous as it gets.)

 

A personal gripe is that it has WiFi 7, which is only a good thing if you plan to run Winduhz 11. There are no Windoze 10 drivers for WiFi 7, same as there are no Windows 7 drivers for WiFi 6. That sucks, but it's not an MSI issue. If I ever used WiFi (and I do not) I would be pulling the WiFi 7 module and replacing it with something older and more compatible with OSes I care about.

Everything about you is special, and in a good way Brother @Rage Set. 🙂

Not the Dana Carvey "Church Lady" special, but awesome kind of special.

Thats awesome! So long as it works reliably and it performs how it should, it doesn’t really matter who makes it lol. Looks like it’s a great performing chip. When the 9950X3D comes out, I will absolutely consider one. I want to see W890 as well, but I already know it’s gonna be worlds more expensive. 

 

I’ve been running my current cpu all over the place with overclocking and stock speeds getting acquainted with its abilities. Recently tested out a 3.8Ghz with only 0.935V, which works great. But I just can’t help but wonder how another sample may run/perform OC wise. 😁So now I’m tempted to grab another 3175X. It has been pure fun, with no pains during the whole process fortunately. I hope yours stays that way as well since transitioning over to AMD. 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Thats awesome! So long as it works reliably and it performs how it should, it doesn’t really matter who makes it lol. Looks like it’s a great performing chip. When the 9950X3D comes out, I will absolutely consider one. I want to see W890 as well, but I already know it’s gonna be worlds more expensive. 

 

I’ve been running my current cpu all over the place with overclocking and stock speeds getting acquainted with its abilities. Recently tested out a 3.8Ghz with only 0.935V, which works great. But I just can’t help but wonder how another sample may run/perform OC wise. 😁So now I’m tempted to grab another 3175X. It has been pure fun, with no pains during the whole process fortunately. I hope yours stays that way as well since transitioning over to AMD. 

 

I wouldn't go as far as saying that I "transitioned over to AMD" at this point. That could happen still (as noted by @electrosoft in the post above yours) but not yet. The only reason(s) I considered this was because Core Ultra isn't an upgrade and I wanted to give AMD another chance to do something right in my eyes. I want both companies to be successful, but my preference among the platforms in my possession is still leaning in favor of Intel. But, only slightly. If the next generation of Core Ultra isn't better than what they gave us this time (in terms of P-core overclocking headroom and overall core/thread count) then that is going to make me think long and hard about what my future is for me with the Intel brand.

 

What makes it dangerous for Intel is that overall I am satisfied with this "not Intel" setup so far and I am not a brand fanboy. I won't buy anything based on who manufactured it. That's dangerous for any company that doesn't produce products and services that I like or want because I don't care about any of them at a personal level, or their brand(s). I only care about what's in it for me. End of story.

 

I do not "love" the way anything is going now. The 9950X and X870E seems very solid and performs really well, but it runs hot and doesn't have much overclocking headroom. At the end of the day I am in this only for overclocking and benching. If that goes the way of the dodo bird, then I am probably going to be done with considering myself a PC enthusiast. And, the Green Goblin, while producing the best flagship GPUs, are just dishonest pocket pirates and their GPUs kind of suck at overclocking now the same as Radeon GPUs do. Things could be better overall, and have been. Today's world is not a great place for those that love overclocking. There is far too much control over end user access, too much firmware castration, too many shenanigans and compromises going on with every brand now.

 

I am eager to see if I can eek out a bit more from the 9950X after I have decapitated it and gone bare die. I am hoping I can get it to 57x or 58x all core. That's going to be a challenge, but it could happen. It probably needs more coldness than what a chiller can deliver to hit 60x all core. But, I could be wrong if the delid drops the temps as much as it does for Intel. I hope so. We shall see.

 

My next build, if there even is one, will likely be something like your Dominus Xeon setup. That would be fun, and computers are just boring tools to me apart from this sport. Like hammers and screwdrivers.

[Mr. Fox]

What is it and who is it going to? 27 pounds of awesomeness.

 

[Clamibot]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

What is it and who is it going to? 27 pounds of awesomeness.

 

 

Looks like Christmas is coming early for someone. What a lucky individual!

[Talon]

14 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Intel is really in a precarious position right now and once mindshare and perception shifts fully to AMD, they could find themselves no longer the standard bearer for x86. Nevermind ARM gaining market share at an alarming rate and we have Nvidia coming on next with CPUs.....

 

The fact @Mr. Fox and @Talon have finally taken the plunge to run systems in tandem and like what they see so far is very telling in and unto itself.

 

Personally, I love dipping in and out of AMD, Intel and Nvidia hardware since 2005 with X2 and FX from AMD and going back and forth with ATI and Nvidia then AMD and Nvidia.

 

I just love hardware!

 

 

 

Finally got my 2x32gb A-Die set stable. I actually ordered an EXPO 2x32gb set on Amazon, and they arrived, M-Die lol nope. Back they went without even opening the box. I went to MC and as they said they had 3x in stock, I got there and nothing, the guy checked everywhere for them. Defeated I came home and decided to just manually set the timings myself and viola, they finally worked, much better latency and I can run 6200 1:1. I have no yet attempted 6400 but will try that next. 

 

Honestly so far I am very, very happy with my jump. I love having both brands now. It's awesome. If AMD drops a 9950x3D with both CCX being 3D-Vcache, I'll be getting that. 

 

My wallet has been very upset with me lately lol. Especially after I picked up the brand new Noctua Gen 2 140mm fans. They finally released them and I am upgrading all of my terrible 140mm fans with these bad boys. Unfortunately for me, they're not cheap fans. 

[Mr. Fox]

40 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Finally got my 2x32gb A-Die set stable. I actually ordered an EXPO 2x32gb set on Amazon, and they arrived, M-Die lol nope. Back they went without even opening the box. I went to MC and as they said they had 3x in stock, I got there and nothing, the guy checked everywhere for them. Defeated I came home and decided to just manually set the timings myself and viola, they finally worked, much better latency and I can run 6200 1:1. I have no yet attempted 6400 but will try that next. 

 

Honestly so far I am very, very happy with my jump. I love having both brands now. It's awesome. If AMD drops a 9950x3D with both CCX being 3D-Vcache, I'll be getting that. 

 

My wallet has been very upset with me lately lol. Especially after I picked up the brand new Noctua Gen 2 140mm fans. They finally released them and I am upgrading all of my terrible 140mm fans with these bad boys. Unfortunately for me, they're not cheap fans. 

This is informative for an Intel person trying to deal with the complexity of tuning a Ryzen platform. I found it useful. The levers and buttons might have different labels on them, but I expect some of this will be conceptually applicable to the non-monolithic contraptions we will see from Intel going forward. 😟😑 Bigger efforts with comparatively smaller rewards than what we have grown accustom to.

I have a kit of the new G.SKILL 8000 Neo (Expo) heading my way. This will hopefully be well-suited for the Zen5 X870 platform and less effort needed for RAM overclocking. It seems that Ryzen does better with 16GB modules than it does with 24GB.

[jaybee83]

14 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I wouldn't go as far as saying that I "transitioned over to AMD" at this point. That could happen still (as noted by @electrosoft in the post above yours) but not yet. The only reason(s) I considered this was because Core Ultra isn't an upgrade and I wanted to give AMD another chance to do something right in my eyes. I want both companies to be successful, but my preference among the platforms in my possession is still leaning in favor of Intel. But, only slightly. If the next generation of Core Ultra isn't better than what they gave us this time (in terms of P-core overclocking headroom and overall core/thread count) then that is going to make me think long and hard about what my future is for me with the Intel brand.

 

What makes it dangerous for Intel is that overall I am satisfied with this "not Intel" setup so far and I am not a brand fanboy. I won't buy anything based on who manufactured it. That's dangerous for any company that doesn't produce products and services that I like or want because I don't care about any of them at a personal level, or their brand(s). I only care about what's in it for me. End of story.

 

I do not "love" the way anything is going now. The 9950X and X870E seems very solid and performs really well, but it runs hot and doesn't have much overclocking headroom. At the end of the day I am in this only for overclocking and benching. If that goes the way of the dodo bird, then I am probably going to be done with considering myself a PC enthusiast. And, the Green Goblin, while producing the best flagship GPUs, are just dishonest pocket pirates and their GPUs kind of suck at overclocking now the same as Radeon GPUs do. Things could be better overall, and have been. Today's world is not a great place for those that love overclocking. There is far too much control over end user access, too much firmware castration, too many shenanigans and compromises going on with every brand now.

 

I am eager to see if I can eek out a bit more from the 9950X after I have decapitated it and gone bare die. I am hoping I can get it to 57x or 58x all core. That's going to be a challenge, but it could happen. It probably needs more coldness than what a chiller can deliver to hit 60x all core. But, I could be wrong if the delid drops the temps as much as it does for Intel. I hope so. We shall see.

 

My next build, if there even is one, will likely be something like your Dominus Xeon setup. That would be fun, and computers are just boring tools to me apart from this sport. Like hammers and screwdrivers.

 

if the 9950X behaves anything similar to the 7950X after delidding and bare die cooling, the temp drop should be quite substantial:

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

 

if the 9950X behaves anything similar to the 7950X after delidding and bare die cooling, the temp drop should be quite substantial:

 

 

I am looking forward to it. der8auer has a 9950X delid video and it does seem to. What I don't know yet, obviously, is how much the temperature reduction will give me the additional overclocking headroom. I hope it does.

[electrosoft]

14900KS vs 9800X3D deep dive:

 

 

Still has cache saturation issues (not much you can do about that). Dip has decreased in pockets.

 

Depending on game, 14900KS wins or 9800X3D wins.

 

No universal winner as expected.

 

Final analysis: Still has some 7800X3D problems and max tune vs max tune, monolithic 14900KS is the better GAMING CPU overall as once you're outside of that cache for whatever reasons, Intel is still king.

 

So what do you want?

 

Basically, figure out what are your go to games and/or games that use a dynamic/JIT/Realtime texture loading mechanism favor Intel.

 

Doesn't bode well for WoW and those dips/chunk on 7950X3D/7800X3D vs 14900KS. That has always been an issue for WoW and AMD. I prefer to have smoother gameplay at all times. As I noted before, dragonflight moves so quick with so many assets streaming that it along with raids just make AMD chunk/dip very badly. It basically doesn't exist for tuned Intel.

 

I'm sure Fallout 76 would go from a greased pig to a greased pig on steroids with the 9800X3D. 🙂

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Finally got my 2x32gb A-Die set stable. I actually ordered an EXPO 2x32gb set on Amazon, and they arrived, M-Die lol nope. Back they went without even opening the box. I went to MC and as they said they had 3x in stock, I got there and nothing, the guy checked everywhere for them. Defeated I came home and decided to just manually set the timings myself and viola, they finally worked, much better latency and I can run 6200 1:1. I have no yet attempted 6400 but will try that next. 

 

Honestly so far I am very, very happy with my jump. I love having both brands now. It's awesome. If AMD drops a 9950x3D with both CCX being 3D-Vcache, I'll be getting that. 

 

My wallet has been very upset with me lately lol. Especially after I picked up the brand new Noctua Gen 2 140mm fans. They finally released them and I am upgrading all of my terrible 140mm fans with these bad boys. Unfortunately for me, they're not cheap fans. 

 

Glad you got it sorted Bro! Expo is definitely not as robust/mature as XMP and we all know even XMP has its issues. Best bet has always been manual tuning for AMD. It just works better. I slowly dial things in over the course of a week or so and lock it down.

 

My 7600X could do 2133/2200 so I could go 6400/6600 properly but no such luck on the 7950X3D.

 

I am so hoping AMD drops a dual X3D 9950X3D. To me, that's end game and then some.

 

lol, that wallet pain. Time for a time out for cool down while you get it ready for those first day/week 5090 runs for us! 🤣