Official Clevo X170SM-G Thread

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, joe4kyo said:

even after cleaning away the LM and replacing it with phobya, same thing's happening

 

Small note, there were 2 double pads on one of the gpu memory sides, dunno why.

 

I should also say that not matter how much I tried, I couldn't restore the entire reddish copper colour on the vapor chamber, used alcohol, the solver I used to remove the stock tim on the cpu and fritz polish afterwards but there are still some uneven bits.

 

Unfortunately once you apply LM and it soaks into your copper it is hard to impossible to get back your original copper luster outside of sanding it down through all that soak. I am not a fan of LM in laptops anymore except on delidded CPUs under the hood between the die and IHS.

 

I'm very pleased my repairs replaced the original heatsink with a brand new one and no LM soak.

 

As for temps....

 

Two reasons here:

 

#1. The "uneven bits" of hardened material are causing pairing issues. You will need to sand that off.

 

#2. The overall pressure on the die either from the pads and/or the fixed depth screws.

 

You can replace the fixed depth screws with manual ones you can hand tighten to get better pressure but those uneven bits will need to be addressed. I ran into the same issue with my original ZtecPC which had previously been a LM model on both the GPU and CPU. I had to file/sand bits off the actual CPU IHS too along with the heatsink. I used very fine grade sand paper to take it down.

 

 

[Bidelloman]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Unfortunately once you apply LM and it soaks into your copper it is hard to impossible to get back your original copper luster outside of sanding it down through all that soak. I am not a fan of LM in laptops anymore except on delidded CPUs under the hood between the die and IHS.

 

I'm very pleased my repairs replaced the original heatsink with a brand new one and no LM soak.

 

As for temps....

 

Two reasons here:

 

#1. The "uneven bits" of hardened material are causing pairing issues. You will need to sand that off.

 

#2. The overall pressure on the die either from the pads and/or the fixed depth screws.

 

You can replace the fixed depth screws with manual ones you can hand tighten to get better pressure but those uneven bits will need to be addressed. I ran into the same issue with my original ZtecPC which had previously been a LM model on both the GPU and CPU. I had to file/sand bits off the actual CPU IHS too along with the heatsink. I used very fine grade sand paper to take it down.

 

 

Yes, I'll do that too. Still does not justify why pcspecialist put a double stacked thermal pad on one of the gpu side, I noticed it time ago.

 

I also need to be careful with sanding. It can bend the vapor chamber

Edited January 26, 2023 by joe4kyo

[Bidelloman]

On 1/23/2023 at 9:19 PM, FTW_260 said:

@1610ftw The weight of a standard heatsink is 688 grams.

 

I will describe the whole process in more detail.
I bought a heatsink, pump, and quick-release fittings in one store - *link*

The total delivery time from the seller in China to receipt is 2.5 months.

The cost of the components themselves: $137 for the heatsink + $65 for the pump and $15 for the fittings.

 

Initially, I received the heatsink mutilated at the edges, with curved side heat pipes and crumpled fan covers.
For about two hours, with the help of my hands and additional heating, I was engaged in restoring the geometry of the heatsink. It was so crooked that I had to use my whole body weight to get it back to normal. In the end, everything went almost successfully. Leave small dents, but I think it's nonsense. 

 

Additional accessories for the heat sink werelonger screws, a few large pieces of thermal pads (not sure of their quality), and caps for the fluid holes. (required while carrying the laptop)
The liquid pump is a standard 240mm aluminum radiator, with two 120mm fans, to which the pump itself with a water tank is attached through a plastic plate and special washers. All this was rather carelessly assembled, and I disassembled everything completely, and reassembled 

 

Quick-release fittings consist of two parts - one is screwed directly into the heatsink, and a water hose is put on the second part. By turning 180 degrees, both parts are securely fixed and disassembled in the same way. Inside there is a valve that is pressed by a powerful spring, so when you connect / disconnect the connectors, not a single drop of water leaks. Very comfortably. 

 

By default, these fittings are not supplied with the heat sink and must be purchased separately!

 

With the main task of efficient cooling, this system copes perfectly well, and even without liquid, the result was better than with a standard heatsink.

I can finally play in silence 

 

 

Are you supposed to buy the fans separately? the one I found at aliexpress is (apart from being more than double the price you paid) separated from the fans, not sure how you mount them together.

Edited January 27, 2023 by joe4kyo
change of question

[Clamibot]

5 hours ago, joe4kyo said:

 

Are you supposed to buy the fans separately? the one I found at aliexpress is (apart from being more than double the price you paid) separated from the fans, not sure how you mount them together.

 

I think the fans can be detached from the original heatsink, but I'm not sure if they're screwed on or glued on as I've never tried removing them. If they're glued on, that would suck.

[MaxxD]

"I think the fans can be detached from the original heatsink, but I'm not sure if they're screwed on or glued on as I've never tried removing them. If they're glued on, that would suck."

 

Fastened with a screw. Essentially, the screw can be screwed into the valve.😉

 

 

 

Complete (+add screw/fan)

 

 

This is my (plus) cooling, because I have 2 in total. (one was sent by PCS as a "replacement", the other I bought online (1+ years ago)😃😄

[1610ftw]

1 minute ago, MaxxD said:

 

Fastened with a screw. Essentially, the screw can be screwed into the valve.😉

 

 

 

Complete (+add screw/fan)

 

 

This is my (plus) cooling, because I have 2 in total. (one was sent by PCS as a "replacement", the other I bought online (1+ years ago)😃😄

 

One thing's for sure - you will never run out of heatsinks 😄

 

[electrosoft]

22 hours ago, joe4kyo said:

Yes, I'll do that too. Still does not justify why pcspecialist put a double stacked thermal pad on one of the gpu side, I noticed it time ago.

 

I also need to be careful with sanding. It can bend the vapor chamber

 

Yeah I've found on more than one occasion double and/or improperly placed thermal pads when breaking down systems.

 

Another issue could be pad thickness or rigidity. Now that I have my unit back my temps are up by ~8c over my K5 Pro. This is with a pure stock heatsink and stock thermal pads. I'll be repadding and replacing the stock screws with M6x2.5 (If I recall correctly from my replacements before) to hand tighten for optimal pressure.

 

When sanding heatsinks I always use a fine grade and very light strokes or for targeted sanding a dremel and a sanding plate.

 

Always nice to crack open a unit and see a pristine 2080 Super all new and shiny. 🙂

 

 

 

 

[Bidelloman]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Yeah I've found on more than one occasion double and/or improperly placed thermal pads when breaking down systems.

 

Another issue could be pad thickness or rigidity. Now that I have my unit back my temps are up by ~8c over my K5 Pro. This is with a pure stock heatsink and stock thermal pads. I'll be repadding and replacing the stock screws with M6x2.5 (If I recall correctly from my replacements before) to hand tighten for optimal pressure.

 

When sanding heatsinks I always use a fine grade and very light strokes or for targeted sanding a dremel and a sanding plate.

 

Always nice to crack open a unit and see a pristine 2080 Super all new and shiny. 🙂

 

 

 

 

Nothing like a new shiny gpu. Speaking of pads: I wanted to get this hybrid heatsink even though I'll likely used with air alone. But I'd like to get new pads for it, is the aliexpress description accurate? (I also hope not to spend 400€ on a heatsink..)

[Bidelloman]

1 hour ago, MaxxD said:

"I think the fans can be detached from the original heatsink, but I'm not sure if they're screwed on or glued on as I've never tried removing them. If they're glued on, that would suck."

 

Fastened with a screw. Essentially, the screw can be screwed into the valve.😉

 

 

 

Complete (+add screw/fan)

 

 

This is my (plus) cooling, because I have 2 in total. (one was sent by PCS as a "replacement", the other I bought online (1+ years ago)😃😄

I handled x170 heatsinks for years ( I also got 2) and never discovered this. Thanks

 

I also notice your gpu vapor chamber has the nice and lovely bumps that occur when you clean it and polish it with enough force, I gather your gpu temps aren't great either?

[MaxxD]

38 minutes ago, joe4kyo said:

I handled x170 heatsinks for years ( I also got 2) and never discovered this. Thanks

 

I also notice your gpu vapor chamber has the nice and lovely bumps that occur when you clean it and polish it with enough force, I gather your gpu temps aren't great either?

 

GPU temperature is absolutely fine. I polished the surface of the CPU and GPU heatsink as much as I could (it was as smooth as a mirror)😉

 

[FTW_260]

@1610ftwThis liquid heatsink will definitely outperform the standard one, the only question is that it will be an increase of about 10 degrees on CPU side, I think. I tested it a little without water, and the results were very good.

[Bidelloman]

32 minutes ago, MaxxD said:

 

GPU temperature is absolutely fine. I polished the surface of the CPU and GPU heatsink as much as I could (it was as smooth as a mirror)😉

 

 

 

see those chessboard-like patterns? those are, for lack of better terms, the famous uneven bits, if you pass your finger on them you'll feel small bumps

[MaxxD]

4 minutes ago, joe4kyo said:

 

 

see those chessboard-like patterns? those are, for lack of better terms, the famous uneven bits, if you pass your finger on them you'll feel small bumps

 

Yes, it can be.

I gave Clevo a tip about how good a full VC heatsink would have been for the X170 series...😆

[Bidelloman]

 

Wonder if this is even accurate, also what "original" means in terms of thickness

[NORD]

3 hours ago, joe4kyo said:

 

Интересно, насколько это точно, а также что означает "оригинальный" с точки зрения толщины

 

[Bidelloman]

1 hour ago, NORD said:

 

Cheers, do these apply for the hybrid heatsink as well?

[Snowleopard]

1 hour ago, NORD said:

 

Is there one of these for the nvme drives also? there are 2 different thermal pads one thin one and one thick one? are they 2.5mm and 5mm thick? I could not find the specs anywhere for them.

[ymsv]

42 minutes ago, Snowleopard said:

Is there one of these for the nvme drives also? there are 2 different thermal pads one thin one and one thick one? are they 2.5mm and 5mm thick? I could not find the specs anywhere for them.

 

From x170 KM-G Manual . 

 

 

 

 

[NORD]

4 hours ago, joe4kyo said:

Приветствую, это относится и к гибридному радиатору?

This applies to the x170sm-g stock radiator, the photo is taken from the NotebookReview website.

[Bidelloman]

1 hour ago, NORD said:

This applies to the x170sm-g stock radiator, the photo is taken from the NotebookReview website.

thanks, i gotta look for what that hybrid watercooler uses then

[Bidelloman]

On 1/23/2023 at 9:19 PM, FTW_260 said:

@1610ftw The weight of a standard heatsink is 688 grams.

 

I will describe the whole process in more detail.
I bought a heatsink, pump, and quick-release fittings in one store - *link*

The total delivery time from the seller in China to receipt is 2.5 months.

The cost of the components themselves: $137 for the heatsink + $65 for the pump and $15 for the fittings.

 

Initially, I received the heatsink mutilated at the edges, with curved side heat pipes and crumpled fan covers.
For about two hours, with the help of my hands and additional heating, I was engaged in restoring the geometry of the heatsink. It was so crooked that I had to use my whole body weight to get it back to normal. In the end, everything went almost successfully. Leave small dents, but I think it's nonsense. 

 

Additional accessories for the heat sink werelonger screws, a few large pieces of thermal pads (not sure of their quality), and caps for the fluid holes. (required while carrying the laptop)
The liquid pump is a standard 240mm aluminum radiator, with two 120mm fans, to which the pump itself with a water tank is attached through a plastic plate and special washers. All this was rather carelessly assembled, and I disassembled everything completely, and reassembled 

 

Quick-release fittings consist of two parts - one is screwed directly into the heatsink, and a water hose is put on the second part. By turning 180 degrees, both parts are securely fixed and disassembled in the same way. Inside there is a valve that is pressed by a powerful spring, so when you connect / disconnect the connectors, not a single drop of water leaks. Very comfortably. 

 

By default, these fittings are not supplied with the heat sink and must be purchased separately!

 

With the main task of efficient cooling, this system copes perfectly well, and even without liquid, the result was better than with a standard heatsink.

I can finally play in silence 

 

which thermal pads did you end up using? any different measurement from the stock heatsink? You mentioned screws included weren't entirely correct, which one did you end up using? Got any numbers regarding air only temp results?

Would also love to know where you purchased it at that price as aliexpress has it much more expensive, thanks for the review!

[MaxxD]

12 hours ago, joe4kyo said:

which thermal pads did you end up using? any different measurement from the stock heatsink? You mentioned screws included weren't entirely correct, which one did you end up using? Got any numbers regarding air only temp results?

Would also love to know where you purchased it at that price as aliexpress has it much more expensive, thanks for the review!

 

I bought and applied the following to all M.2 SSDs. It was a perfect choice! Only the Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB M.2/NVMe is a bit warmer, but still better than others... 

 

Pure Copper Graphene Heatsink M.2 2280 PCI-E NVME SSD Thermal Pad Cooler

 

[FTW_260]

12 hours ago, joe4kyo said:

which thermal pads did you end up using? any different measurement from the stock heatsink? You mentioned screws included weren't entirely correct, which one did you end up using? Got any numbers regarding air only temp results?

Would also love to know where you purchased it at that price as aliexpress has it much more expensive, thanks for the review!

I bought laird tflex hd90000 thermal pads separately.
The screws included with the heatsink fit perfectly, they are specially increased in length.
As I said earlier, without water, the temperature of the processor is lower by about 10 degrees compared to the standard heatsink.
Link to the seller on taobao -https://feitengfeifei.taobao.com/?spm=2013.1.1000126.4.1e507ff1hBSjCj

[Bidelloman]

1 hour ago, FTW_260 said:

I bought laird tflex hd90000 thermal pads separately.
The screws included with the heatsink fit perfectly, they are specially increased in length.
As I said earlier, without water, the temperature of the processor is lower by about 10 degrees compared to the standard heatsink.
Link to the seller on taobao -https://feitengfeifei.taobao.com/?spm=2013.1.1000126.4.1e507ff1hBSjCj

thanks a lot, do you happen to remember the pads thickness?

[MaxxD]

11 minutes ago, joe4kyo said:

thanks a lot, do you happen to remember the pads thickness?

 

I don't know, I haven't measured it. The thickness doesn't matter at all, since they will be separate pieces (I mean the 3 pieces next to each other) and it's good as it is, if you buy one and put it on and use it.👍😉