What is the fastest RAM speed you have achieved on a Clevo? (DDR4)

[srs2236]

Hello!

 

I am wondering what is the fastest RAM speed anyone has achieved on a Clevo laptop.

 

For example, my P775TM1-G can do completely stable 3333MHz, 14-17-17-32, 1.45V.

 

I know that the RAM itself can easily do 3467MHz and quite possibly even more but my Clevo can do somewhat stable 3352MHz with BCLK overclocking and it can boot 3400MHz but it is guaranteed to get stuck in a infinite RAM training loop after first restart.

 

Most frustrating thing is, on the first boot with 3400, it is actually perfectly stable (till you shutdown).

 

3352MHz works, but sometimes retrains and because of that BCLK resets and it's just not convenient.

 

I have been waiting either for a DDR5 DTR or a laptop with better RAM OC support but to be honest there havent been anything better out yet until I saw this picture from Eurocom and that made me curious about other people's results.

 

Is it true the X170KM-G can do DDR4-3600? Seems quite impressive!

 

Thanks!

[srs2236]

For example this is the best I have achieved on my Clevo:

[jaybee83]

4 hours ago, srs2236 said:

For example this is the best I have achieved on my Clevo:

i can take my machine up to 3467 bootable but not stable. depending on timings, stability pans out around 3333 to 3400. the highest ive ever seen on a laptop was by @Premaand @johnksss, iirc they both achieved 3733 stable.

[razor0601]

The standard 3200MHz is for me enough. In real life 3200 or 3800 there is no difference 

[electrosoft]

I could take my P870TM1 to 3466 stable 3600 would intermittently boot never stable.

 

X170SM-G is sitting at 3200 14-14-14 as >3200 was a wash last time I worked on memory but I do have a different CPU in there now so I may go back and take another crack at it now that everything else is resolved and tuned.

 

 

 

 

[jaybee83]

6 hours ago, razor0601 said:

The standard 3200MHz is for me enough. In real life 3200 or 3800 there is no difference 

haha yep true, but it really depends on the rest of ur system and of course your usage cases. 

[electrosoft]

6 hours ago, razor0601 said:

The standard 3200MHz is for me enough. In real life 3200 or 3800 there is no difference 

 

8 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

haha yep true, but it really depends on the rest of ur system and of course your usage cases. 

 

Depends on what your end game goals are but since laptops are usually limited for D2D use well below 3600, the idea is to really the tightest times possible @ >=3000mhz . I'll take 3200 14-14-14 over 3466  16-16-16 every time regardless of what Aida64 spits back at me.

 

 

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[srs2236]

On 7/24/2022 at 6:25 PM, electrosoft said:

I could take my P870TM1 to 3466 stable 3600 would intermittently boot never stable.

 

X170SM-G is sitting at 3200 14-14-14 as >3200 was a wash last time I worked on memory but I do have a different CPU in there now so I may go back and take another crack at it now that everything else is resolved and tuned.

 

 

 

 

Seems like P870TM1 motherboard traces for RAM are more suitable for RAM OC. 3466 stable and even for an occasional boot 3600 sounds pretty incredible to me.

 

Is that something normal for P870TM1 or you consider yourself lucky? Is there really a noticable difference between different same model motherboards?

 

On 7/24/2022 at 10:34 PM, electrosoft said:

 

 

Depends on what your end game goals are but since laptops are usually limited for D2D use well below 3600, the idea is to really the tightest times possible @ >=3000mhz . I'll take 3200 14-14-14 over 3466  16-16-16 every time regardless of what Aida64 spits back at me.

 

 

Hmm, that is interesting as usually memory overclockers and memory manufacturers themselves are trying to push for more frequency? Or am I wrong here... Can you explain why you prefer tighter timings over frequency? I would be grateful.

 

I know that more bandwidth can be very beneficial for example in high refresh rate games where you are CPU bottlenecked.

 

I am not so much aware of the impact of timings. Also isn't it true that with a frequency increase latency lowers aswell? Like 3200MHz CL14 should have same latency as 3300MHz CL15, however the 3300MHz has more bandwidth over the 3200MHz one.

 

So in terms of latency, 3466MHz CL16 should be very similiar to 3200MHz CL14 while offering way more bandwidth.

 

Please correct me if I am wrong and thanks to everyone who spent their time to reply to my post!

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, srs2236 said:

Seems like P870TM1 motherboard traces for RAM are more suitable for RAM OC. 3466 stable and even for an occasional boot 3600 sounds pretty incredible to me.

 

Is that something normal for P870TM1 or you consider yourself lucky? Is there really a noticable difference between different same model motherboards?

 

Hmm, that is interesting as usually memory overclockers and memory manufacturers themselves are trying to push for more frequency? Or am I wrong here... Can you explain why you prefer tighter timings over frequency? I would be grateful.

 

I know that more bandwidth can be very beneficial for example in high refresh rate games where you are CPU bottlenecked.

 

I am not so much aware of the impact of timings. Also isn't it true that with a frequency increase latency lowers aswell? Like 3200MHz CL14 should have same latency as 3300MHz CL15, however the 3300MHz has more bandwidth over the 3200MHz one.

 

So in terms of latency, 3466MHz CL16 should be very similiar to 3200MHz CL14 while offering way more bandwidth.

 

Please correct me if I am wrong and thanks to everyone who spent their time to reply to my post!

 

P870TM1 w/ Prema was incredible but I was running mine with a 1060 (like a boss) and when WoW Shadowlands dropped my frames become completely unplayable (30-40's) even with details dropped to a 7/10 when previously I was playing at 10/10. Instead of upgrading the GPU I upgraded to an X170SM-G with a 2080 Super and Prema. End the end, I think the P870TM (and the P870 series in general) will end up being my most favorite Clevo series of all time unless Clevo suddenly gets their act together.

 

For specific games, unless you are talking a meaningful jump (IE 3200->3600+), it is better to focus on tight timings to even out 1% and .1% lows and increase overall fps. Bandwidth has its limitations inside of a small window.

 

On the other hand, I would most likely take 3600 16-16-16 over 3200 14-14-14 but not 3333 or potentially 3466. For that tighter window of bandwidth, timings > bandwidth.

 

I used to swear by AIDA64 till the results achieved had no meaningful bearing on my game playing experience and ran counter to my real world numbers collected for laptop gaming so I started to question why. I still use Aida64 though for tweak by tweak comparisons and then compare it against something like TS and WoW to differentiate what is actually giving me improvements.

 

If you are able to achieve same (or close enough) latency with 3466 as 3200 and your in game results reflect it, you obviously should take 3466 but extensive testing on WoW flight runs has proven time and time again for my needs timings trump bandwidth inside the narrow laptop window which is limited due to PCB quality and trace issues. Bandwidth becomes a distant second in most laptop scenarios when they're within ~300-400mhz of each other and (most importantly) your BIOS gives you access to fine tune timings.

 

If your .exe's favor raw bandwidth, favor that but for most gaming (and especially WoW), tight timings are king especially on bandwidth limited laptops.

 

I took the time on my P870TM1 when I was doing those flight runs to tweak fps and lows to figure out tighter timings at 3200 > looser timings at 3466. Of course soon after a couple of YT videos came out showing tight timings are incredibly important to a point (IE 3200 14-14-14 won't trump 3600+ 16-16-16).

 

(1) Hardware Numb3rs - YouTube

 

On a desktop these rules basically fly out the window because they aren't limited like laptops in peak bandwidth and I wouldn't even run anything below 3600 and push for 4000+ with DDR4 along with tight timings.

 

Again, Aida64 is not the end all of all. Try setting some benchmarks and capture fps along with lows and test various memory settings and see what works for you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Taraquin]

11th gen has gear 1/2 stupidity? Gear 2 is way slower, but much easier on IMC. I helped a couple of fellows on their MSI Titan with 10900K. 3200 was max for both, they got ok timings with Hynix DJR. 

[Taraquin]

On 7/23/2022 at 4:34 PM, srs2236 said:

Hello!

 

I am wondering what is the fastest RAM speed anyone has achieved on a Clevo laptop.

 

For example, my P775TM1-G can do completely stable 3333MHz, 14-17-17-32, 1.45V.

 

I know that the RAM itself can easily do 3467MHz and quite possibly even more but my Clevo can do somewhat stable 3352MHz with BCLK overclocking and it can boot 3400MHz but it is guaranteed to get stuck in a infinite RAM training loop after first restart.

 

Most frustrating thing is, on the first boot with 3400, it is actually perfectly stable (till you shutdown).

 

3352MHz works, but sometimes retrains and because of that BCLK resets and it's just not convenient.

 

I have been waiting either for a DDR5 DTR or a laptop with better RAM OC support but to be honest there havent been anything better out yet until I saw this picture from Eurocom and that made me curious about other people's results.

 

Is it true the X170KM-G can do DDR4-3600? Seems quite impressive!

 

Thanks!

 

With 10th gen maybe, with 11th gen less likely unless gear 2. 4 dimms is not good for speed 😕 IMC on 11th gen desktop is shit, very hard on good MB to get over 3733 in gear 1, 10th gen do 4000+ easy, some even 4500+. Rocket lake is not good, terrible efficiency, but okay with undervolt. 

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Taraquin said:

11th gen has gear 1/2 stupidity? Gear 2 is way slower, but much easier on IMC. I helped a couple of fellows on their MSI Titan with 10900K. 3200 was max for both, they got ok timings with Hynix DJR. 

 

2 hours ago, Taraquin said:

With 10th gen maybe, with 11th gen less likely unless gear 2. 4 dimms is not good for speed 😕 IMC on 11th gen desktop is shit, very hard on good MB to get over 3733 in gear 1, 10th gen do 4000+ easy, some even 4500+. Rocket lake is not good, terrible efficiency, but okay with undervolt. 

 

 

Gear 2 on 11th and 12th gen laptops DDR4 is garbage since the design limitations usually cap the memory at 3200 range along with absolutely atrocious latency. 11th gen, best G1 chip I had topped out at 3933. 12th gen gets around 4266 single rank, 4133 dual rank. I also ran into many 11th gen chips that couldn't go over 3600 and a few 12th gen that couldn't go over 3733.

 

I refer to RKL as Intel's Frankenchip. That "we have to offer something" phase between 10th and 12th.

 

For 12th, slowly, but surely DDR5 will fully eclipse DDR4 even running in G2 in all aspects but it isn't quite there yet.

 

 

 

 

[Taraquin]

19 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

 

Gear 2 on 11th and 12th gen laptops DDR4 is garbage since the design limitations usually cap the memory at 3200 range along with absolutely atrocious latency. 11th gen, best G1 chip I had topped out at 3933. 12th gen gets around 4266 single rank, 4133 dual rank. I also ran into many 11th gen chips that couldn't go over 3600 and a few 12th gen that couldn't go over 3733.

 

I refer to RKL as Intel's Frankenchip. That "we have to offer something" phase between 10th and 12th.

 

For 12th, slowly, but surely DDR5 will fully eclipse DDR4 even running in G2 in all aspects but it isn't quite there yet.

 

 

 

 

Desktop is way easier :) Where do I find like emote? Was gonna give you but cant find it. Maybe phonebrowser issue?