clevo p870tm/tm1-g Official Clevo P870TM-G Thread

[Raven]

On 3/11/2024 at 9:27 PM, Grai said:

Do those fans push more airflow than the originals? 

Hey Mate, if you find those fans or a place to buy them and check if they work, Please let me know as i'd love to replace the fans i've got on my current one, I had to move to using a modified GTX 20 series heatsink to fit the 2080S that I've got in my machine.

 

On 3/12/2024 at 7:54 PM, Grai said:

The offer is appreciated on your part, what price would it be? Send me some images to evaluate. Although for now I am trying to see if I am able to make a proper adaptation, I have two models in mind, it is more of a personal challenge.

I've asked for pictures and or links to these things and I've never seen them, I personally wonder how hard it would be to get a custom machined heatsink for my 2080S Since I've got so much available surface area to play with now that it's down to 1GPU.

 

On 3/11/2024 at 9:27 PM, Grai said:

I changed the cpu to a Qtj1

 

Do we know if that performs better or worse than the 9900K, It took me a while to hunt down a 9900K to stick into mine that wasn't extremely overpriced.

 

 

[Grai]

18 hours ago, Raven said:

Hey Mate, if you find those fans or a place to buy them and check if they work, Please let me know as i'd love to replace the fans i've got on my current one, I had to move to using a modified GTX 20 series heatsink to fit the 2080S that I've got in my machine.

 

I've asked for pictures and or links to these things and I've never seen them, I personally wonder how hard it would be to get a custom machined heatsink for my 2080S Since I've got so much available surface area to play with now that it's down to 1GPU.

 

 

Do we know if that performs better or worse than the 9900K, It took me a while to hunt down a 9900K to stick into mine that wasn't extremely overpriced.

 

 

I found a seller on aliexpress that sells heatsinks or heatsink fins according to order and measurements. 

MoreSuns CustomElectronic Product Store
https://a.aliexpress.com/_EIklD3B

 

 

 

Those fans I think are from the p870dm, p775dm but they are 5v and the ones from the p870dm2 tm km are 12v

 

I can't tell you which one is better, the 9900k or the QTJ1

 

I still haven't gotten the rtx3080 😩 to video

[Raven]

So, I found a limitation, 128GB of Ram and this happens.

[1610ftw]

10 hours ago, Raven said:

So, I found a limitation, 128GB of Ram and this happens.

 

It is annoying but as you probably know you can continue to Windows when via the ESC button. Can you please check the total time it takes you to boot into Windows? For me it is 2 minutes with a P775TM1 with a modded version of the latest XMG bios.

 

It is clear that 128GB in these machines does have some issues so it might be an idea to pull all the info together in a dedicated thread as it is really hard to come by this information. I got it running with 4 SSDs, a 9900K, 128GB memory @ 2666 and I can still use Thunderbolt for 10G network but I am not sure how many monitors I could still drive in a multi monitor setting.

 

 

[1610ftw]

On 3/20/2024 at 4:48 PM, Raven said:

Do we know if that performs better or worse than the 9900K, It took me a while to hunt down a 9900K to stick into mine that wasn't extremely overpriced.

 

The qtj1 chips will require a modded bios, not sure if that will also support 128GB memory?

In any case the ones I found are listed with a base clock of 2.1 and 4.6 turbo boost which seems kind of low to me but they are really cheap, too at around 115$ plus shipping!

 

So maybe worth a try if you get the bios sorted out but it would be easier if they could just trick the Clevo into thinking that the CPU is a 9900K.

[Raven]

3 hours ago, 1610ftw said:

It is annoying but as you probably know you can continue to Windows when via the ESC button. Can you please check the total time it takes you to boot into Windows? For me it is 2 minutes with a P775TM1 with a modded version of the latest XMG bios.

With 2x 32GB 3200mhz sticks, It took me next to zero time to boot into windows, With 4x sticks that depending on their mood run at 3200mhz, 2800 or 2400, Not sure whwat's going on, It can take up to 3 minutes and it often behaves wierd at boot time, I'll be investigating it as I go along.

 

Going to order one of these: https://www.amazon.com.au/IETS-Equipped-Turbo-Fan（5-5inch-Diameter）-14-1-19-3/dp/B0CDC3XW44/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2BQJY911UMX6F&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Bh8AVdBVd3eQ4yNc1syDJtJsiUtUPACDNu0-N1kJvAQei3JqSN7aAARbwm8pe5SSwW2IQWJ8NtbCRTg7yXtF-hPRkIqq8jaqAGmbga4lCHLcCE6GzljSRcP-P5n_ZrjIUpXkqttYaYcl28g6sMXupo2ln7dnFBcXQ93w0PDCNI6rmEGRJ-g9h6jp6k2gs-W9zs2plLntsrHtuTnF29xiu0JBTeH15vDAT3Y6jZNlaIjz8r_e6y033lAiLYVTkEiOLZUzwvyxBzb4IuLnzwEtbeD28DfLt3A2k8bm97KofeM.C5a63CmDKMZjthNM29zRiXHYMNePivbtDEgk7-PxuCc&dib_tag=se&keywords=iets%2Bgt%2B600&qid=1711127464&sprefix=iets%2Bgt%2B60%2Caps%2C295&sr=8-2&th=1 unless someone says otherwise.

 

Then after that my 4k panel.

[1610ftw]

14 hours ago, Raven said:

With 2x 32GB 3200mhz sticks, It took me next to zero time to boot into windows, With 4x sticks that depending on their mood run at 3200mhz, 2800 or 2400, Not sure whwat's going on, It can take up to 3 minutes and it often behaves wierd at boot time, I'll be investigating it as I go along.

 

Going to order one of these: https://www.amazon.com.au/IETS-Equipped-Turbo-Fan（5-5inch-Diameter）-14-1-19-3/dp/B0CDC3XW44/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2BQJY911UMX6F&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Bh8AVdBVd3eQ4yNc1syDJtJsiUtUPACDNu0-N1kJvAQei3JqSN7aAARbwm8pe5SSwW2IQWJ8NtbCRTg7yXtF-hPRkIqq8jaqAGmbga4lCHLcCE6GzljSRcP-P5n_ZrjIUpXkqttYaYcl28g6sMXupo2ln7dnFBcXQ93w0PDCNI6rmEGRJ-g9h6jp6k2gs-W9zs2plLntsrHtuTnF29xiu0JBTeH15vDAT3Y6jZNlaIjz8r_e6y033lAiLYVTkEiOLZUzwvyxBzb4IuLnzwEtbeD28DfLt3A2k8bm97KofeM.C5a63CmDKMZjthNM29zRiXHYMNePivbtDEgk7-PxuCc&dib_tag=se&keywords=iets%2Bgt%2B600&qid=1711127464&sprefix=iets%2Bgt%2B60%2Caps%2C295&sr=8-2&th=1 unless someone says otherwise.

 

Then after that my 4k panel.

 

Strange - mine always reliably boots on 2666 memory speed but then this is with Samsung 2666 memory that seems to play very well with Clevo, Dell and MSI laptops.  What kind of 128GB bios did you use was it Dsanke or something else?

 

The 600 seems to be pretty good according to brother @Snowleopard due to its many different fan settings.

You'll want to modify or leave off your bottom cover though to get the most out of it as it restricts airflow a lot.

[Raven]

12 hours ago, 1610ftw said:

Strange - mine always reliably boots on 2666 memory speed but then this is with Samsung 2666 memory that seems to play very well with Clevo, Dell and MSI laptops.  What kind of 128GB bios did you use was it Dsanke or something else?

These are Crucial sticks specifically

Crucial 32GB (1x32GB) CT32G4SFD832A 3200MHz  For some reason it seems to struggle to read the SPD from them, When I had just two of them in there it would go straight to 3200mhz and not care, I think it's just the extra load on the IMC

 

12 hours ago, 1610ftw said:

What kind of 128GB bios did you use was it Dsanke or something else?

I have the standard Prema bios for these, I do not have the Dsanke bios or know where to get it from a reliable source, i've heard there is a bios that allows you to use 128GB and keep the Thunderbolt system enabled, I will be using a Thunderbolt enclosure in the future so that would be nice.

 

Any comment on the IETS GT600?

[1610ftw]

19 hours ago, Raven said:

These are Crucial sticks specifically

Crucial 32GB (1x32GB) CT32G4SFD832A 3200MHz  For some reason it seems to struggle to read the SPD from them, When I had just two of them in there it would go straight to 3200mhz and not care, I think it's just the extra load on the IMC

 

You may want to try what happens when you manually set the sticks to 2400 or 2666.

Could be that it will boot faster and more reliably if you do that.

 

 

 

 

19 hours ago, Raven said:

I have the standard Prema bios for these, I do not have the Dsanke bios or know where to get it from a reliable source, i've heard there is a bios that allows you to use 128GB and keep the Thunderbolt system enabled, I will be using a Thunderbolt enclosure in the future so that would be nice.

 

Any comment on the IETS GT600?

 

I would keep the Prema bios and check the other things first. My Thunderbolt also did not work but now it does, at least for my purpose - I just had to change the bios Thunderbolt settings to the first option, something like No security.

 

Here is a more detailed thread on the matter that will help the TB connection to work properly including display and probably without my workaround, I just did not get around to look into this any further:

Please note that if you "only" need a display output there are already three direct display outputs on your Clevo and it is unlikely that you will get more than three external monitors running even with Thunderbolt.

 

See my comments above on the GT600.

 

 

[Raven]

3 hours ago, 1610ftw said:

You may want to try what happens when you manually set the sticks to 2400 or 2666.oCrucial 32GB (1x32GB) CT32G4SFD832A 3200MHz

Could be that it will boot faster and more reliably if you do that.

 Before you replied I actually tried a custom profile setting it to 3200mhz and it's been rock solid stable with no issues even on a high workload, I have to wonder what is being 'disabled' in the bios to make that message show up.

 

3 hours ago, 1610ftw said:

Please note that if you "only" need a display output there are already three direct display outputs on your Clevo and it is unlikely that you will get more than three external monitors running even with Thunderbolt.

 

I only care about the PCIE component of thunderbolt, not the display component, My external enclosure will be a 10G Nic and sometimes a few other cards depending on my workload, Display output is fine, I am still planning on ordering a 4k display for the main display but only after the IETS GT600

[1610ftw]

2 hours ago, Raven said:

 Before you replied I actually tried a custom profile setting it to 3200mhz and it's been rock solid stable with no issues even on a high workload, I have to wonder what is being 'disabled' in the bios to make that message show up.

 

I thought you had it set to 3200 before so it was just a matter of setting it and not waiting for the 3200 to be applied automatically? That sounds pretty good!

 

Regarding the bios message it look it is an issue with all 128GB capable bios versions so I am pretty sure it is not something you can get rid of that easily. 

 

 

2 hours ago, Raven said:

I only care about the PCIE component of thunderbolt, not the display component, My external enclosure will be a 10G Nic and sometimes a few other cards depending on my workload, Display output is fine, I am still planning on ordering a 4k display for the main display but only after the IETS GT600

 

The 10G Sabrent adapter works via Thunderbolt, I can tell you that much:

 

[Raven]

2 hours ago, 1610ftw said:

I thought you had it set to 3200 before so it was just a matter of setting it and not waiting for the 3200 to be applied automatically? That sounds pretty good!

Nah, So with 2 sticks in, It would detect SPD and XMP profiles and auto apply max settings, But with 4 sticks in (all the same model) it wont read the SPD and XMP profiles at all and just default to 2400, Even in windows I can't read the SPD with CPU-Z when 4 sticks are in.

 

But I manually set them to 3200mhz and it's running with it and having no issues at all, It still takes forever to start up but that's not so bad.

 

 

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002802776587.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.1.59bfbf0feDRTGW&algo_pvid=632a5593-06c2-4381-add1-45b85ee06213&algo_exp_id=632a5593-06c2-4381-add1-45b85ee06213-0&pdp_npi=4%40dis!AUD!189.66!154.53!!!122.41!99.74!%402101fb1217113309022622403ea8f1!12000022259296715!sea!AU!0!AB&curPageLogUid=vMy44DhEoHaf&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch|query_from%3A Is what I'm planning on getting or something similar to that, As I will be using various devices from time to time and I have a spare ATX PSU laying around.

 

So anything from AI Accelerator cards, To Large scale GPU's to 10G Nics depending on the project that I'm working on at the time will go into it so long as I can get it to run I don't really care, As I said I don't need it's display out capability only access to the Thunderbolt PCIE lanes.

[Snowleopard]

On 3/23/2024 at 4:00 PM, Raven said:

These are Crucial sticks specifically

Crucial 32GB (1x32GB) CT32G4SFD832A 3200MHz  For some reason it seems to struggle to read the SPD from them, When I had just two of them in there it would go straight to 3200mhz and not care, I think it's just the extra load on the IMC

 

I have the standard Prema bios for these, I do not have the Dsanke bios or know where to get it from a reliable source, i've heard there is a bios that allows you to use 128GB and keep the Thunderbolt system enabled, I will be using a Thunderbolt enclosure in the future so that would be nice.

 

Any comment on the IETS GT600?

I like it so far with the X170-SM-G, I am running it at 1000rpms and its not louder than the laptop idling, going faster the sound of the fans gradually get louder. I also ordered it from Amazon.

 

[Raven]

1 minute ago, Snowleopard said:

I like it so far with the X170-SM-G, I am running it at 1000rpms and its not louder than the laptop idling, going faster the sound of the fans gradually get louder. I also ordered it from Amazon.

Hoping that this will solve a few problems when I order mine 

[Meaker]

 

 

Got a set of cheaper 3200MHZ CL22 dual rank modules and they are running decently enough.

[Grai]

I made a modification to move the bios to the bottom so that it is more accessible and not have to disassemble the laptop to flash a new bios, I used a ch341a programmer pcb and the cable is from the dual connector IDE hard drives that are more thinner than those with a single connector.  I leave this in case it helps someone else.

 

[runix18]

9 hours ago, Grai said:

I made a modification to move the bios to the bottom so that it is more accessible and not have to disassemble the laptop to flash a new bios, I used a ch341a programmer pcb and the cable is from the dual connector IDE hard drives that are more thinner than those with a single connector.  I leave this in case it helps someone else.

 

Did also something like this long ago, but with a cable mod. 

 

[Raven]

On 4/12/2024 at 2:56 AM, Meaker said:

Got a set of cheaper 3200MHZ CL22 dual rank modules and they are running decently enough.

Not bad not bad at all.

 

I got all 128 to run at 3200mhz which is amazing, Boot times are still a good 2 minutes due to initialization but it is what it is.

 

You wouldn't happen to know of a way to power limit with newer drivers, this 2080S works well but I can't limit it to 180W on newer drivers and a sustained load over 180W for more than 10 minutes or so results in a system hard reset and I still can't find the culprit for that.

[Meaker]

You could limit the frequency curve to a set frequency and voltage max by flattening the top.

[Raven]

On 5/1/2024 at 12:06 AM, Meaker said:

You could limit the frequency curve to a set frequency and voltage max by flattening the top.

The frequency actually didn't drop at all when on older drivers when limiting from 200 to 180W maybe at best 20mhz.

 

I can't alter the voltage at all on this, There is no accessible voltage control on MSI afterburner and in order to keep it under 180W I have to apply a -500Mhz frequency adjustment.

 

Anything after a specific driver mentioned earlier in this thread locks out Power control even in the Nvidia commandline, I don't know if that's specific to my way of installing modded drivers (NVCLEANSTALL) Or because Nvidia made a change.

[anassa]

2 hours ago, Raven said:

The frequency actually didn't drop at all when on older drivers when limiting from 200 to 180W maybe at best 20mhz.

 

I can't alter the voltage at all on this, There is no accessible voltage control on MSI afterburner and in order to keep it under 180W I have to apply a -500Mhz frequency adjustment.

 

Anything after a specific driver mentioned earlier in this thread locks out Power control even in the Nvidia commandline, I don't know if that's specific to my way of installing modded drivers (NVCLEANSTALL) Or because Nvidia made a change.

 

I think you are misunderstanding what @Meaker is saying.  With MSI afterburner you don't use the power control or Mhz frequency adjuster, you hit ctrl+f (I think? when I get home I can check) and you will get the full curve that you can adjust to overclock+undervolt or whatever you want to do. If you have never tried it, then play with it, as it will give you better results then just applying the "-500Mhz".  You can probably get similar performance to normal while still have it undervolted.

[Meaker]

 

[Raven]

On 5/3/2024 at 9:57 AM, anassa said:

is saying.  With MSI afterburner you don't use the power control or Mhz frequency adjuster, you hit ctrl+f (I think? when I get home I can check) and you will get the full curve that you can adjust to overclock+undervolt or whatever you want to do. If you have never tried it, then play with it, as it will give you better results then just applying the "-500Mhz".  You can probably get similar performance to normal while still have it undervolted.

I'm not misunderstanding what anyone is saying, But people seem to be mis understanding what I am saying especially when I have repeated it.

 

I don't have voltage control it's not supported.

 

 

 

Adjusting these does nothing.

 

To repeat the only solutions I have are

 

1) Use the older drivers and power limit to 180W this is a loss of 1-2% and frequency is still mostly the same but lose access to newer drivers because for some reason newer drivers cant use the power limit slider.

 

2) Use a -500mhz offset and it still pulls 170 watts and I lose a ~LOT~ of performance.

 

 

I am looking for a solution to use newer drivers since this 2080S does not appear to have voltage control support it's locked down.

 

 

Now, Is it locked down because one of the following?

1) I've used NVCLEANSTALL

2) I've used the wrong over-ride in NVCLEANSTALL

3) I've missed something and made an error

4) This card just doesn't have it

 

Is what i'm trying to figure out, Maybe someone who does the driver mods the traditional way might still have access to those, but current guides for those seem lacklustre and not up to date hence why I used Nvlceanstall to do the driver mod for me.

[anassa]

@Raven

Then dumb question, but you have gone through all the normal steps to unlock the voltage control? :

https://steemit.com/gpu/@icryptomedianews/how-to-unlock-core-voltage-in-msi-afterburner

 

The traditional way was to do the ".inf" mod.  Laptopvideo2go used to have premade drivers that were modded, and it looks still active so maybe they might have something?

 

https://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/

 

This is also a pretty good guide how to do the .inf mod yourself:

 

https://null-src.com/posts/nvidia-notebook-driver-inf-mod/post.php

 

I have done it myself back with a 970m in a p150em but it has been a long time. Good luck

[anassa]

@Meaker Nice! You got the 3080! 

 

Can you run a timespy benchmark or something and how it scores?!