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Looks like a OG MSI Gaming X! Based on picture quality. That’s probably like a 980Ti maybe? @johnksss what kind of Mercedes is that? I always wanted one of the older 2004ish Mercedes AMG models with that supercharger and 550hp. Such great cars.

@Mr. Fox So, I found the issue with the low numbers in 3Dmark Physics and Profile test. It is the Windows power plan that’s causing problems! I put my power mode to balanced and it’s screaming fast!! I know, this doesn’t make sense but I heard this from someone else too. High performance power mode consistently performs poorly. I am #9 in the top 100 Profile test of 13900K, I am #5 with 13900KF, and #9 against 13900KS chips. just getting in the groove here. I haven’t began to get in to condensation territory yet. https://www.3dmark.com/cpu/1087450

I’m about to buy a $4,699 dollar BGA turdbook, and I’m getting the warranty lol. I think it’s like $500? But, I have to be in store to get the warranty. Worth the near 4 hour drive. I plan to do what you’re doing. I’d rather not throw 50-60% of the $4700 in the trash. Also, is that the 1 or 2yr accidental damage protection plan they sell? @johnksss which warranty plan is it?

I did a little adjusting and fine tuning. And it’s just scoring so good right now, tonight I am gonna try and beat up all those 13900KS non ln2 chips in Profile test.

Last night I was benching 3DMark profile test. And the same is true for Timespy physics testing etc. Anyways, First run on profile test and I did not even make it to the top 100 leaderboards LOL. @Mr. Fox had beaten me. I reduced my ring clock from x51 to x48 and the difference was huge. Anyone else experience this with higher ring overclocking, may provide lower physics scores and lower 3DMark Profile test scores too. I saw the same thing with 11900K, but it only happens with physics test or profile testing. 🤷‍♂️

I want to get on that free upgrade train that people are using with them 😃. Unfortunately they only sell that warranty in store, and they are like 3-4 hours away. Gonna have to make the trip.

(1) I would NOT sell on eBay. Forums, or Facebook market place as always. (2) The new machine from Microcenter does not have sales tax. (3) That MSI GT77 was the only one on eBay at the time for sale used. It sold yesterday. There were not really any other options. I did not search through them though. Also, I was planning to use @johnksss Method. Free upgrades when you buy the microcenter in store warranty. You can return the laptop and get a gift card of the items full value with 1-2 years, minus the warranty cost.

It would definitely be a little cheaper with a desktop to upgrade I think. So you’re right there. It looks like this MSI GT77 with a 12th gen Intel and RTX3080Ti fetched $2,550 used. https://www.ebay.com/itm/334758335478?hash=item4df126d3f6:g:WHgAAOSwV0Jj9Rcx&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAkGV6mWAoGCx26ntryzSD0KyUBhS4FhvoIULgiiKYr6G6iLXb6k2uSyXBvg7vJFueIPtGkC3fN9cJA3kFLLrQ%2BZXbFLjmvvlBz5yNNnqO1KDsEXIUbl3K7c57EsgI22it31TrKPzHiNviQN%2BukQLPp2kj0KnooS6RJ8e%2FDsIiXgxRbciOXdTSIM3uq6GuxKIJKg%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR-LU8e7TYQ And to purchase a MSI GT77 with 13th gen and RTX4090 similarly would be $4,699.99. That is a $2,149 dollar out of pocket cost. EXPENSIVE UPGRADE RIGHT THERE!!! But that’s an elite machine too. It would probably make more sense and be a cheaper upgrade with cheaper machines. Like a $2,800-$3,000 dollar laptop would be worth maybe $1,500-$1,800 after 2 years.

Only flushing $50? Pshhh. We wish! 🤣

BGA cannot be upgraded. But, it can be upgraded if you sell the laptop after a few years and just buy another one lol. That’s what you did with your 3090KP and 12900KS (Both items cost similarly to a whole high end gaming laptop) 4090 and 13900K cannot be upgraded either. I’d have to replace them after a few years. Just like a gaming laptop. If I buy a 4090 and a waterblock that’s gonna cost me $1,969 USD. That’s kinda how I’ve been looking at it anyways. I guess if I bought a 4090 and a 13900KS right now that is easily $2,300+ for (2) parts. In which I could nearly buy an entire laptop. Regardless of BGA or desktop, we’d be wasting money on technology that is disposable either way and becomes worthless after a while. It would be the same old rinse and repeat with a laptop as it would be with a desktop.

I don’t see what all the fuss is over BGA. You can get a really decent bga gaming laptop for about $1,000 bucks nowadays. And pretty much the fastest available GPU wise for around $2,750. I know they are not upgradable. But portable gaming machines are just really cool! I would definitely like to see a little more power fed to the GPU’s on these BGA machines. They are still using that Clevo 330 watt brick as the “Max” operating envelope for most of the high end machines. But it’s still cool, with DLSS3 and frame regeneration you can pretty much game on a low end turd and get great performance if the game supports it. It’s kind crazy actually. I don’t think anyone of us could make a big difference in the outcome of future gaming laptops design. I have not bought a BGA PC since 2016-2017 GTX10 series era. They have come a long ways though. Especially with cooling. Many manufacturers are installing Liquid Metal in the factory and using the foam dam around the silicon just like many of us did years ago. Even PS5 uses Liquid Metal. (Which is just crazy to think) Sony is even doing that lol. I will say this though. Since the standardization of high refresh rate displays, and high resolutions. Hardware has become faster than ever! So these new laptops are actually capable of some great performance with decent temps. Something we’ve never seen before. So they have definitely fixed some things and come along ways. The innovation is just making BGA books better, and not really going away though.

Very NICE freaking machine!!! Especially for only $2,500. That’s a great deal! Good news, I discovered you can order most laptops right online directly from Microcenter, and they’ll actually ship it to you. Best of all, (NO SALES TAX!!)🥹 this is really getting down to the wire for me. Anyways, let me know how it games on long sessions.

I’m definitely with you in that regard. But there’s nothing we can really do. It’d be great if we could buy modern high end MXM laptops again.

Thanks, let me know an exact water temp. I was going to compare with the same clocks and see how our direct dies compare to each other.

Not just yet. I’m still tossing the idea around for a bit. I do want the GT77 Titan though, primarily for the larger Mini LED display and class leading cooling performance. But $4,699 for a laptop is a lot. I am nearing that point of no return though. I want it so bad at this point, I am probably gonna actually buy one. 🥰

I know that the bios does list (4) different GDDR6 support items. That is for the Mobile 4080. I assume the 4090 mobile bios is the same. It supports Hynix, Micron, Samsung, and Other. Whatever (Other) even means lol. Samsung does make GDDR6 24gbps IC’s these would be the ticket. A very ballsy endeavor for sure. 🤣

I know, it’s really silly. That MSI GT77 Titan runs crazy cool too, it really is a beast either way. I watched several reviewers gaming on one and it seemed to hover around 58-68C on the GPU with whatever OEM thermal paste they have applied on it. Samsung also has some new memory recently out. It is not GDDR6X, but it is just normal GDDR6 modules that are actually 24gbps rated, these are downclocked to lower speeds. That would be just nuts to throw those in a laptop LOL. (if they are not already on board) Honestly the factory IC’s on the 4090 mobile may surprise people. I have not found anyone who has really tried to push them to the max. It’s just a shame the unit is capped to 175 watts, and with pushing that memory OC we are really taking away from that power envelope, it definitely has the cooling over head to handle 200 or maybe even 215 watts at the higher end of temps. It would be nice to be able to shunt mod this GPU or trick its power consumption some how. Or better yet, maybe one of these other manufacturers will release a higher power 4090 that we could flash over too.

They are compatible. The bios already supports both. Funny thing is, the GDDR6X modules use less power than GDDR6 modules. The pad layout is identical. People have done this in the past. Typically with desktop graphics cards. For example, the 2080 Super has the new Samsung 18.5gbps modules, and the 2080Ti had the slower 14gbps modules. People would de-solder and swap the 2080 Super IC’s over to a 2080Ti lol. And they could OC that 2080Ti to like 20Gbps. It sounds more crazy than it is. These repair shops will quickly de-solder and re-solder an IC like no bodies business. I have actually found the IC’s for $25 each. This would be something to really consider.

That’s interesting, unfortunately the 4090 mobile does not have GDDR6X. If I do end up with a 4090 laptop, It would be temping to have some one de-solder and re-solder on some better GDDR6X modules on board. With mild overclocking this would be about a 25% jump in bandwidth. This would essentially remove most of the gimp within the card. The cost to do this is actually cheap, coming across the modules is another story. Probably from a broken 3090 maybe. It has 24GB GDDR6X, so I would assume it would have (16) working GDDR6X modules on board. This would really be awesome to do!

So the 4090 has the same GDDR6X memory as the 3090 and 3090Ti?

What is your water temp?

Supercool Gen 13 direct die install “Full length video” No time for leak testing. 😀 In the video I swap out the old Gen 12, for the new Gen 13 supercool! I really love these blocks! They are hard to get your hands on them when they are gone. And EKWB has pushed orders back even further for their very own direct die option that cost like $240+ for the base model, this thing is easily the best option. Especially for only $125 USD shipped. Mine took 19 days for delivery using the slow shipping method. The Gen13 model is longer, and the cold plate fins are literally 50% longer, and about 20% wider.

I use Windows 11 with really good results on my daily work PC. It also benches okay performance wise and the gaming performance is actually really good. The OS just works for me. I know it’s not as fast as some older stripped OS. But, new game requirements have forced us to move on. So there is little we can do sometimes (Especially if you want to play certain titles that force you to be on latest WIN10/11 builds. If you throw some fast hardware at Windows 11 it’s gonna perform great. One more thing, my Windows 11 OS does seem to be really resilient against memory overclocking and crashing/BSOD’s. It has not broken one time. I have most stuff disabled. Like core isolation, Cortana, the MS office items, and some other things I am forgetting. And it runs really well for me. I wish Microsoft would release a new operating system. Windows 11 BME “Benchmark Edition” an OS with no fluff and only peak performance. And you can enable different levels. “Bare minimum services mode” for benching high numbers and or “Daily performance mode” all required/important items work so you can game or work with important things like sound and networking Lol.

I would take the Z790 Apex over the Z790 Dark. If you asked me a year ago, my answer probably would have been different, but not anymore. The community support and guides and articles on the Apex are pretty nice as well. Re-sale value is also really really good on the Asus enthusiast motherboards (It’s through the roof actually). I use to really like the EVGA motherboards but not as much nowadays. They do take forever and a day to release a product, and when they do it’s going to take them a while to address a potential bios issue, then in 12 months it is worth a fraction lol.

Yep you’re right! Honestly, the Asus Scar 16 with Mini-LED display does sound good right about now, it is a top contender. These are all new devices and freshly released, I’m gonna be thinking hard about which gaming laptop to get over the next 1-2 weeks. It’s an exciting venture. I find it sad that MXM is dead… And when I am actually at a point in my life where I could potentially spend a good chunk on a real dream machine laptop. All of the actual “Dream Machines” are no where to be found.. Man, I remember drooling over building some over the top spec’d out P870 SLI rig years ago. And now 2023 we just don’t have machines like that anymore. I feel like it’s time for a company to make a laptop that uses actual desktop parts. I feel like it could be possible. If you take a 4080 desktop and remove the heat sink and I/O shield it’s tiny! Now we cap it to 200ish watts and put it in a laptop. Anyways, BGA it is. 😁